Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 shipped!


I am thrilled to announce that earlier today we shipped Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5.


 


Over the past few months, I have blogged about some incredible features that the team working on Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 have built.  I wanted to share these with you so that you can get a flavor of a few of the several hundred features that are a part of this release.  The entire family of Visual Studio products (from the Express Editions to the Professional version to Visual Studio Team Suite) and .NET Framework 3.5 are available for immediate download here.


 


I am incredibly proud to be a part of the team that is truly advancing the state of developer tools.  We know we could not have done this alone and I wish to thank you all (the community, customers and early adopters) who have provided incredibly valuable feedback to make these products the right ones.


 


When I look back over the last few years at how we were able to ship these two products, I truly believe that both our customer input and our renewed focus on intentional engineering allowed us to release a great product in the timeline that we originally set out to hit.  We adopted Team Foundation Server to manage this release and to collect data and enable reporting on our progress.  It was incredibly helpful to me personally to be able to view our progress in real time.  Just adopting TFS, however, was not the silver bullet – it was just a vehicle to enable the behaviors we desired.  TFS enables process enactment, collects a lot of data, and enables reporting on it.  It provides visibility to everyone and it enables enforcement of certain things.  I had a chance to film a Channel9 video talking about this that you can check out.


 


We hope that Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 enables you as an individual or as a team to build great applications.  Whether you are a professional developer or a software enthusiast, are building applications for the client, server, web, or devices we hope you have fun with these products as your software is our passion.


 


Namaste!

Comments (202)

  1. Scott Lezberg says:

    Congratulations – this is FANTASTIC!!!!

  2. Noah Coad says:

    It’s official!  The product we’ve all be waiting for is released!  It’s been a fun ride. 

  3. Fantastic news! Soma has all the details . Additional and up to date information is available on the

  4. Visual Studio 2008 & .NET 3.5 We’ve just announced the RTM (release to manufacturing) of Visual Studio

  5. says:

    YEAAAAHHH! Check out the details on Soma’s and Brian Harry’s blog 🙂 For those who simply can’t wait

  6. says:

    YEAAAAHHH! Check out the details on Soma’s and Brian Harry’s blog 🙂 For those who simply can’t wait

  7. says:

    YEAAAAHHH! Check out the details on Soma’s and Brian Harry’s blog 🙂 For those who simply can’t wait

  8. Soma announced that VS2008 and .NET 3.5 shipped today . Reading Don’s post on the VS2008 ship date is

  9. Looks like we may all be needing that training kit I blogged about earlier . Soma has just announced

  10. Momentul mult așteptat este aici: Visual Studio 2008 împreună cu .NET Fx 3.5 s-au lansat. Edițiile Express

  11. B# .NET Blog says:

    It's my pleasure to tell you we shipped VS2008 and .NET FX 3.5 today. Soma has all the details on

  12. Very nice, but how long do we have to wait for the Team Developer edition? Only the Team Suite is available for download from MSDN subscriptions.

  13. What else can I say? The big day has arrived (read the official word here on Soma’s blog ) and we’re

  14. It's my pleasure to tell you we shipped VS2008 and .NET FX 3.5 today. Soma has all the details on

  15. It’s offical, Soma annouced on his blog that the 3.5 .Net Framework along with Visual Studio 2008 have…

  16. Sandcastle says:

    Microsoft officially released Visual Studio 2008 and .NET FX 3.5! Soma in his blog announced the above

  17. Hooray! Today we’ve finally shipped Visual Studio 2008, previously known as “Orcas”, previously known

  18. Ian Ceicys says:

    Congratulations DevDiv! This is tremendous!

  19. But where is Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition?! Cant find it on MSDN or on the attached link..

  20. danielfe says:

    Visual Studio 2008 Express Editions are also available for immediate download at http://www.microsoft.com/express

  21. Paul Andrew says:

    Get your new RTM bits now. I’m running Visual Studio 2008 on my box Soma announced it here today. The

  22. Hot off the presses, you can get it now from MSDN subscriber downloads or the trial version . See Soma’s

  23. Como bien ya lo anunció Misa, y lo confirman algunos posts en Channel 9 ya está disponible a partir del

  24. Hey Dev's… Visual Studio 2008 and the .Net 3.5 framework have shipped and are now on MSDN downloads

  25. Start pointing your browsers at MSDN and grab the RTM bits of VS 2008 & .NET 3.5, they’ve shipped

  26. Wow! Great news!

    Thank you dev div guys! you rock!

  27. Ok, non molti commenti a questa notizia, giusto i link a chi di voi vuole scaricarla subito. Post ufficale

  28. Doug Seven says:

    Here is the official word from Jeff Beehler, the Team System Chief of Staff, and the really official

  29. Visual Studio 2008 and the .NET Framework 3.5 (and the .NET Compact Framework 3.5) has shipped – more

  30. As noted this morning in this post on Soma’s blog , the final release of Visual Studio 2008 and the .NET

  31. Early holiday gifts from Microsoft! Today we announced the release of Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework

  32. I would like to inform you that VS 2008 is now available for MSDN Subscribers!! Go it now 🙂   Lots

  33. S. “Soma” Somasegar anuncia en la entrada de su blog que ¡Visual Studio 2008 y…

  34. As noted this morning in this post on Soma's blog , the final release of Visual Studio 2008 and the

  35. Visual Studio 2008 and the .NET Framework 3.5 (and the .NET Compact Framework 3.5) has shipped – more

  36. Jonas says:

    Congrats and good job! 🙂

  37. Early holiday gifts from Microsoft! Today we announced the release of Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework

  38. msdn Austria says:

    Auf der TechEd Developers in Barcelona hatte S. Somasegar, GM der Developer Division von Microsoft versprochen,

  39. Here is the official word from Jeff Beehler, the Team System Chief of Staff, and the really official

  40. Jimboobla Aspect says:

    Greates news, I was now downloading Visual Studio 2008 with much excitement!!!!

  41. Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 shipped! This morning Microsoft shipped Visual Studio…

  42. Reddy says:

    Thank you and Congratulations to the team.

  43. Yup.  This morning (PST time) Visual Studio 2008 RTM’d.  Its already on MSDN, so go get it..

  44. As widely reported on blogs far and wide , Visual Studio 2008 has been released to manufacturing (or

  45. Steve Digg says:

    These all look like fake comments!  Excellent, great, fantastic, yah right…

  46. rob a. says:

    so is this version the best ever and last to be made because there’s no way microsoft could make this better?  or is there something always in the works for microsoft to continously make some $$$ every few years claiming every version is better than the previous?  spend spend spend… build, rebuild, build again…

  47. As widely reported on blogs far and wide , Visual Studio 2008 has been released to manufacturing (or

  48. Yup.  This morning (PST time) Visual Studio 2008 RTM'd.  Its already on MSDN, so go get

  49. Today we released to manufacturing Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5!  I want to congratulate

  50. consumer4beta@hotmail.com says:

    Amazing, this IDE just keeps getting more powerful. Congrats to your team.

    1.  Will 2005 Express editions remain available for download and for how long?

    2.  Is pricing the same? Can I upgrade from 2005 Standard to 2008 Pro for the upgrade price?

    3.  Will retail purchase be only available after the February launch?

    4.  Any other minor features dropped in 2008 apart from J#?

    5.  All websites will be updated soon or after the launch? I would like a detailed comparison table for editions, more detailed than the one for VS 2005. Is developing a Windows service for example not available yet in Standard edition?

    6.  Are there ANY plans for servicing .NET 1.1 SP1?

  51. Brent says:

    Outstanding! This is fantastic news Soma. We plan on rolling over to 2008 in our office as soon as we can get our hands on it.

  52. Konstantin says:

    Congratulations!

  53. Soma announced that VS2008 and .NET 3.5 shipped today . It is available via MSDN Downloads for subscribers

  54. All you need to work with LINQ (Visual Studio 2008 and .NET 3.5) is now finalized! The final release

  55. My VSTS Blog says:

    The net has been a flurry of activity over the past few hours as word gets out that MSDN Subscribers

  56. Steve says:

    Maybe my definition of "shipped" is different from everyone else’s, but nothing has "shipped."  You guys released a product to manufacturing.  Sure it is available through MSDN, but this is not the same as shipping.  

  57. We’ve officially released ASP.NET 3.5 today, you can get it as part of .NET Framework 3.5 from here

  58. Soma announced that VS2008 and .NET 3.5 shipped today . It is available via MSDN Downloads for subscribers

  59. See Win App says:

    This is a pretty exciting day as Visual Studio 2008 has shipped. This is the first product I’ve shipped

  60. Alex says:

    .NET 3.5 and VS 2008 are just really great.

    Today we launched http://blogs.dotnetgerman.com/ running on .NET 3.5.

    It was great fun developing this using VS 2008.

  61. Today the Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 have been released. Both will be officially launched

  62. You’ve probably all seen Soma’s announcement that the 2008 suite of products officially shipped this

  63. Gary says:

    The downloads are not available in MSDN Subscriber Downloads. Only the readme is available. There are links on the main subscription page, but they just post back to the same page.

  64. from Somasegar’s WebLog – Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 shipped! Even Better News Visual

  65. Официально: Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 shipped! Комментарии, как говорится, излишни Уточню

  66. It’s offical, Soma annouced on his blog that the 3.5 .Net Framework along with Visual Studio 2008 have

  67. Gill Cleeren says:

    Great news! Congrats on the RTM!

  68. You've probably all seen Soma's announcement that the 2008 suite of products officially shipped

  69. Mike says:

    Great news!

    Can you please consider lowering the prices and dropping the cross cutting SKU’s, just one edition for € 500 would be great. It’s only natural because most .NET developers actually add value to Windows, so why make money off them? If IBM and Sun can do it, surely Microsoft can? Please let us know your thoughts on this, thank you!

  70. Ting går unna her og produktteamet er godt i rute. Den store dagen har kommet og VSTS 2008 Team Suite

  71. MegP_MS says:

    Gary – All skus should be available for download.  If you are having trouble with the download page, you should be able to get support via one of these two options:

    Online Concierge:

    https://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-US/subscriptions/manage/default.aspx?CA=Chat

    Or, Subscription Support:

    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/aa948875.aspx

  72. I know that Visual Studio 2008 is getting most of the press today for releasing, but there was also a…

  73. Ting går unna her og produktteamet er godt i rute. Den store dagen har kommet og VSTS 2008 Team Suite

  74. When will VS2008 Team Suite (FULL NOT TRIAL) be available for d/l to MSDN subscribers?

  75. Sunny Nagi says:

    Coming straight from Somasegar’s blog – Visual Studio 2008 and .Net framework 3.5 have been shipped!

  76. MegP_MS says:

    Craig – The full VS2008 Team Suite is available for download for MSDN Subscribers here http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/default.aspx

    Enjoy!

  77. Brooke Philpott says:

    Meg,

    I’m not seeing this in the subscriber downloads. Perhaps because my subscriber downloads come via partner status? All I have is a VS2008 readme.

  78. .NET Framework 3.5 and Visual Studio 2008 have officially shipped! Soma has the announcement on his blog

  79. .NET Framework 3.5 and Visual Studio 2008 have officially shipped! Soma has the announcement on his blog

  80. Visual Studio (메인 페이지) Visual Studio Development System (VS2008 정보 페이지) Somasegar’s WebLog : Visual Studio

  81. 黑*马 says:

    Visual Studio 2008英文正式版已经发布在MSDN

  82. Visual Studio (메인 페이지) Visual Studio Development System (VS2008 정보 페이지) Somasegar's WebLog : Visual

  83. Hi,

     Congratulations….BTW just curious…..would like to know what is "Intentional Engineering"?

    – Sekhar

  84. Tony says:

    >>The downloads are not available in MSDN Subscriber >>Downloads. Only the readme is available. There are links >>on the main subscription page, but they just post back to >>the same page.

    The same thing was happening to me until I remembered to turn off my popup blocker.

  85. dpwebs says:

    Soma,

    congratulations for new release!

    If I install trial version of VS2008, will it be possible to convert it to full version without uninstalling?

  86. Somasegar says:

    Hi Sekhar,

    Intentional Engineering is a terminology that we use internally to denote "think through your plans upfront, say what you are going to do and then do what you say".  It is sort of bread and butter in some sense but it also needs a lot of thoughtful execution in a large project like VS and .NET FX.

    Emma Williams, who runs a lot of the engineering services teams in Developer Division at Microsoft did a channel 9 video recently where she talks about this some.

    You can view this at:  http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=339498

    -somasegar

  87. ÉN TE DOWNLOADEN VIA MSDN! Vandaag maandag 19 November gaan Visual Studio 2008 en het .NET Framework

  88. Well Visual Studio 2008 has been released either a few days early ( the money was on thursday ) , or

  89. Congratulations and…

    <ignore netiquette>

    W00t!!!

    </ignore netiquette>

  90. Larry says:

    Congrats.

    But.

    Why the hell do you have to use a non-resumable proprietary download hack? I get to 90% then it dies giving no option to resume. Smart buggers you guys are.

    Also what is the fricken deal with MS and the 50 milllion editions of everything lately? What if I have, *gasp* multiple roles?

  91. Ali Muslim says:

    Also, have a look @ ==

       http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/products/aa700831.aspx Have to wait for professional edition that we normally use.

    Have a good day.

    Ali Muslim

  92. Shrike says:

    My company (in Russia) has MSDN subscription.

    We login on MSDN Subscriber zone. But there are not any releases of Visual Studio 2008 there! Only one file – "Visual Studio 2008 Readme.docx".

  93. Meg,

    Thanks for the reply.  Our experience is similar – we log in to our MSDN and only the VS 2008 Readme.docx document is available.

    Do we have the wrong version of MSDN?

    Thanks…Craig.

  94. Amit Patankar says:

    Shrike / Craig

    The link is on the main page of MSDN Subcriptions

    Check out Top Subscriber downloads.

    Please make sure that popup blocker is turned off.

    Enjoy.

  95. Hi Soma,

      Thanks for the pointer to the Channel9 video on "Intentional Engineering". Sounds very interesting.

    Regards

    Sekhar

  96. Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 , now available for MSDN subscribers and Express editions freely available

  97. Shrike says:

    2Amit Patankar :

    Popup blocker is turned off.

    We need Team Suite and TFS. But there are only their trials on the main page! Yes, I can see Std/Prof edition, but not Team Suite/TFS.

  98. Getting Impatient says:

    Though I have an extremely fast connection, I can get the Akamai Download Manager to download the VS2008 without the message:

    “There’s a persistent network connectivity error preventing a problem with your connection to the Internet.”

    Have you heard of this from others?

  99. Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 , now available for MSDN subscribers and Express editions freely available

  100. Larry says:

    “There’s a persistent network connectivity error preventing a problem with your connection to the Internet.”

    Twice already.

    Lama!

  101. SvenC says:

    Lama and Getting impatient,

    do you have more than one network card? Check if only your internet attached card has a default gateway for its TCP/IP settings

    Do you use a proxy to access the internet? Can you check to bypass the proxy?

  102. mstrobel says:

    Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for releasing VSTS Team Explorer 2008 as a standalone download from TFS, and at the same time as the VS2008 release no less :).

  103. Vincent Privat says:

    What about localized versions availability ?

    It was horribly long for VS 2005, even for the .NET framework redistrbuable itself !

    I hope the main versions (German, French, Japanese) will be released this week…

  104. John Bailey says:

    I just download Visual Studio 2008 Professional from the subscriber site (Top Downloads section) and installed it, but the installation still says Beta 2.

    Is this something I should be worried about?

  105. Chris says:

    Kudos to the VS Team! LINQ and its supporting features are a great new paradigm for development.

    Shame on MSDN for using the Katamai Download Manager. After 5 times getting to 90+ percent mark it broke the connection. There is no resume capability. I’m not the only one.

    At work I can’t even connect because it doesn’t like Proxy servers.

    Their regular MSDN subscription download manager never gives a problem. Why go this route.

    It’s also quite embarrassing for Microsoft. The program UI looks like it came out of the late 1980’s.  

    Com’n guys, you have enough money and resources to do it right. I certainly paid enough for my Premium subscription, but apparently it doesn’t do any good.

    Chris

  106. AbhiD says:

    I am not against MS using Akamai’s services for contents distribution. But that is affecting the overall experience.

    I am still stuck on 31% and every time it just stay there and crashes. And there is no recovery

    Someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell AKAMAI to just give an option to use PLAIN HTTP / FTP downloads.

  107. Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 has finally shipped. MSDN subscribers can download the final

  108. Somasegar says:

    Hi Vincent,

    Regarding the localization versions of VS2008 and .NET FX 3.5, here is the plan for when these versions will be done:

    Japanese – 12/07

    French, German – 1/08

    Other languages – 2/08

    -somasegar

  109. O Visual Studio 2008 e a .NET Framework 3.5 foram finalmente lançados. Os subscritores MSDN podem descarregar

  110. dpwebs says:

    Soma,

    If I install trial version of VS2008, will it be possible to convert it to full version without uninstalling?

  111. Somasegar says:

    Hi Dragan,

    You don’t have to uninstall the trial version.  When you insert the new DVD and the PID key, setup will recognize the installed bits and you will have the full version running.

    -somasegar

  112. dpwebs says:

    Thanks.. so simply by starting setup and entering new key my trial will be converted to full?!

    Excellent…

  113. Carol says:

    Earlier Dragan asked "If I install trial version of VS2008, will it be possible to convert it to full version without uninstalling?

    And the answer is yes, you can do it one of two ways:

    1.  You can get to VS Setup from ARP (add/remove programs) table.  Enter full PID – upgrade complete.  No DVD required in this case.

    or

    2.  You can launch setup from your new Retail DVD – if it’s the same VS edition, last option is to enter the full PID for upgrade.

    Good luck,

    Carol

  114. Carol says:

    Chris and others with Akamai download challenges – I apologize for problems you are having downloading from our facilitated download manager on MSDN (Akamai).  The traditional way should be online by tomorrow for you, if not already (depending on which SKU you are looking for).  

    As we try different options to try and improve your experience, we sometimes run in to challenges given the breadth and size of our product.  We appreciate your feedback and will work to continue to improve your download experience.  

    Thank you for your feedback and if you continue to have problems, please email me at cscott@microsoft.com.

    Carol

  115. Brian says:

    Please post asap. I’m on my fifth download attempt. All other four faile, each time, same error, at 74%. These downloads are 6+ hours. There isn’t anything special about our network. Never had problems downloading files of this size.

    I’m not actually upset that it’s being killed, that sometimes happens. What irks me is that we ALL KNOW VERY WELL that this sometimes happens. There isn’t a download manager in the world (with the exception of this new Akamai POS) that won’t allow you to continue to use your partially downloaded file.

    Typically when people use new things, the new thing is better. The old way of downloading via msdn doesn’t have problems.

  116. Is it correct that VS2008 RTM version includes the Final version of .net compact framewor 3.5 ?

  117. Hans-Joachim Kretzschmar says:

    If one compares it with Visual Studio 2005: great!

    But little comment: each simple computer software finds other required tools without intervention of user. But Visual Studio? If you not exactly fulfil all installation procedures you will find al lot of hints during compilation or linking. There is not found some kind of .lib or .h or so. Its boring and I think it would be no problem for programmers to change this and make life for us as users more delightful!

    In concrete: I had to work about 2 days till full working STUDIO!

  118. Larry says:

    Ok, regarding download issues.

    I tried downloading the team dev version twice, both failed (at 90% at 91% respectively).

    I then tried the pro version and that one succeeded.

    (I have no idea how Akamai actually deploys things. I’m guessing a set of geographically dispersed mirrors. Perhaps the team dev image is broken on the replica I get assigned to?)

  119. Larry says:

    Sigh, VS 2008 crashes when converting the Xerces solution file.

  120. Larry says:

    Doh! I meant ICU, sorry.

  121. Vyacheslav Lanovets says:

    When I installed VS2008 Beta2 I was surprised that its quality is much better than quality of VS2005 Beta2 was.

    So I quickly extrapolated and decided that quality of VS2008 RTM is going to be very good.

    Ha! It crashes in Find dialog, problems editing vsprops files, Ctrl+F12 hangs sometimes. And cl.exe often complains about unmodifiable vc90.pdb if I compile after I pressed Ctrl-Break when compiling with /MP on Intel Q6600 4GB and XP x64 . Restart does not help, pdb is corrupted and needs to be deleted.

    Also Beta2 installation corrupted EVC 4.x PocketPC 2003 SDK and I am sure RTM does the same.

    I carefully removed all Beta2 items pointed by ScottGu before RTM instalation. But I really hope that all problems above are because of Beta2 interference. Being MS evangelist at my work I am quite disappointed – I don’t feel I can sell this c… to my colleagues.

  122. Gaurav says:

    Hey Soma,

    I noticed that the Express editions all in one ISO is only VS2008ExpressENUX1397868.iso whereas when I mount it, select all files and see the size in Properties, it shows 2.68 GB. Obviously, the large files (MSDN Express library and the dependency components in WCU are all referenced just once but I see them in all folders! What is the magic here? Is it possible to store a single copy of commonly referenced files on a UDF CD/DVD/ISO image? I thought that requires symbolic links support for UDF. How come Windows (even XP!) supports symbolic links in UDF? What tool was used to create that ISO file?

  123. 今天登陆MSDN发现Visual Studio 2008英文正式版已经发布,MSDN订阅者已经可以下载.这次公布的Visual Studio 2008包括所有Team版本,方便开发人员为Windows Vista、Windows Server 2008、Office 2007、移动设备和网络开发最新应用程序.正式版本将在明年二月底发布

  124. Just like that the .Net train continues to move along to the next version of the framework. Microsoft

  125. .Net 3.5 and Visual Studio 2008 released

  126. Just like that the .Net train continues to move along to the next version of the framework. Microsoft

  127. stevetei says:

    Larry: I presume you’re converting the Xerces C++ project from a previous VS version? Can you post a link to the project you’re converting?

    Vyacheslav: Please let us know what your experiences are with the final release of VS2008, as we did fix several bugs in the areas you mention between Beta2 and RTM.

    Thanks!

    Steve Teixeira

    Group Program Manager, Visual C++

  128. David Jacobson says:

    The Visual Studio and .Net teams are succeeding.  But MSDN is letting you down.  There seems to be almost no documentation for the new .net 3.5 features in the MSDN library.  All the super documentation that has been available for LINQ in the past seems to have disappeared from MSDN.  I have much of it on my system.  But when I search for it with Google, search on MSDN, or look in the MSDN library shipped with VS2008 or online, I can’t find any of it.

  129. Larry says:

    Steve, I’m sorry, but now I can’t seem to reproduce the problem.

    Here is the file I’m working with:

    http://download.icu-project.org/files/icu4c/3.8/icu4c-3_8-src.tgz

    MD5(icu4c-3_8-src.tgz)= 67cc2650fbcae4c8e3ba5ce4dda4b072

    Here’s what I saw earlier:

    open allinone.sln

    convert, no backup

    vs exited with no warning/error before convert complete

    *but* reopen solution, builds fine

  130. consumer4beta@hotmail.com says:

    The Team Suite trial install took 50 mins on my Core 2 Duo out of which 20 mins was for SQL Server Express. Really, MS needs to find a solution to installing VS and patching VS and Vista. How does Office manage to install so fast?

  131. Somasegar says:

    Hi,

    Several of you have asked me about when the VS 2008 Pro Edition will be available.

    The Pro Edition will be available for download in the next week or so.  

    The packaged VS Pro product will start showing up on retail store shelves in January.

    -somasegar

  132. Thomas says:

    Quick update:

    A patch will be applied on 11/22 (est 6PM PST) that should fix the issues with partial/failing dowloads.

    VS08 Pro went live on the MSDN dowloads on 11/21, and it is available on the MSDN Subscription Home page as well for MSDN subscribers.

  133. DoWhatJohn says:

    "A patch will be applied on 11/22 (est 6PM PST) that should fix the issues with partial/failing dowloads."

    Good news… but I’ve already used my months download quota trying to get this.

    If only you guys had used MS File Transfer Manager I could have had it already (and several times over for the bandwidth and effort).  I wonder how much bandwidth Akamai has wasted with this wretched excuse for a downloader?  Who decided to use it?  If you press ‘pause’, it declares the file corrupt when you resume: and if you don’t, it crashes at about 90-95% complete anyway.

  134. Time for another weekly round-up of developer news that focuses on .NET, agile and general development

  135. consumer4beta@hotmail.com says:

    Suppose I want to have Express editions and the Pro version side by side, why can’t I have a common full MSDN for both?

  136. Martin says:

    Vs2008 professional crashes in Find dialog on x64 system.

    Very bad!

    Hope that a hotfix will be come fast!!!!!!!

  137. Mike Diack says:

    I agree. The akamai downloader is hopeless. I’m getting the same wretched "persistent network error" stuff that others are, when working behind our corporate proxy/firewall (whose settings I’ve no control over). Plus it looks like an ancient Win95 era applet. Please drop it and use something modern and reliable. It’s hopeless. I’ve wasted 2-3 days now at msdn without downloading anything.

    mike_diack@hotmail.com

  138. Carol Grojean says:

    Martin – can you please send me a personal email to cscott@microsoft.com as I would like to discuss your crash with you and see if we can help.

    All the others regarding the Akamai download, again I apologize for your troubles.  As we try different options to try and improve your experience, we sometimes run in to challenges given the breadth and size of our product.  We appreciate your feedback and will work to continue to improve your download experience.

    Carol

  139. Thomas, MSDN Team says:

    Hi Nick, we have recognized the variety of issues that need improvement ASAP, and your inputs have been great. We NEVER want our customers to be exposed to the system failures on any kind, but even with best of intentions, some issue creep up. We are working on the revision to the DLM 2.2.2.1 and trying to get the fixes in over the weekend. In the mean time, most critical downloads have been posted to MSDN’s download service, so please download what you need from the MSDN Subscriber Downloads.

    Based on your feedback, we are trying to implement the fixes to the following:

    – DLM should download to Downloads by default

    – the proxy issue that crashes the IE if proxy server is enabled but the address field is left empty

    – Retry on downloads: we have seen that if your session expires (you lose your network connection because PC goes to sleep, for example, and your MSDN session expires) the downloads can’t be restored (we are looking in to this)

    – DLM cannot be restarted if you close it and try again later (session issue again)

    A new DLM will be coming soon, by the end on 11/07 at the latest, and we are trying to hurry it up as soon as possible.

    We recognize the inconvenience this caused you and others who experience it.  Thanks for your patience and support. We are doing all we can to make sure this does not happen again.

    Thomas

  140. Thomas, MSDN team says:

    Hi Nick, we have recognized the variety of issues that need improvement ASAP, and your inputs have been great. We NEVER want our customers to be exposed to the system failures on any kind, but even with best of intentions, some issue creep up. We are working on the revision to the DLM 2.2.2.1 and trying to get the fixes in over the weekend. In the mean time, most critical downloads have been posted to MSDN’s download service, so please download what you need from the MSDN Subscriber Downloads.

    Based on your feedback, we are trying to implement the fixes to the following:

    – DLM should download to Downloads by default

    – the proxy issue that crashes the IE if proxy server is enabled but the address field is left empty

    – Retry on downloads: we have seen that if your session expires (you lose your network connection because PC goes to sleep, for example, and your MSDN session expires) the downloads can’t be restored (we are looking in to this)

    – DLM cannot be restarted if you close it and try again later (session issue again)

    A new DLM will be coming soon, by the end on 11/07 at the latest, and we are trying to hurry it up as soon as possible.

    We recognize the inconvenience this caused you and others who experience it.  Thanks for your patience and support. We are doing all we can to make sure this does not happen again.

    Thomas

  141. Fduch says:

    PLEASE!!! Include .Net Framework into upcoming Vista SP1/ XP SP3. PLEASE!!!

    Why are you slowing down .Net adoption?

  142. Amol says:

    fantastic

  143. Larry says:

    Steve, just a quick update: I’ve had it happen twice now converting ICU (icu4c-3_8-src.tgz) and once converting Xerces (xerces-c-src_2_8_0.tar.gz). However I cannot make it happen on demand for the life of me. I don’t see any event of watson log events. Because it seems to actually convert correctly, I can move on. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help.

  144. April Reagan says:

    David Jacobson –

     I am sorry that you are experience issues with the documentation. Which search terms for LINQ and .NET 3.5 are you not getting results for now?  And you have searched at MSDN online as well as the local library (‘offline’ help)? Is the documentation also absent from the Table of Contents now?

    April Reagan – AprilR@Microsoft.com

  145. No doubt you’ve heard the Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 was released . Aaron Stebner has posted a list

  146. No doubt you&#39;ve heard the Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 was released . Aaron Stebner has posted a

  147. Now that Thanksgiving is over, I have to pay attention again. Of course the biggest news is that Visual

  148. Last week Visual Studio 2008 was released to manufacturing . If you have a MSDN Subscription, you can

  149. Visual Studio 2008 Beta 2 is history and Microsoft actually hit its public milestone for the release-to-manufacturing (RTM) version.

    Nice work from the Developer Tools division in Redmond and Soma must be grinning like a Cheshire cat! We’ve just announced full support for VS 2008 RTM at InnerWorkings, so there’s plenty of good news to spread around these days…

  150. arun vam says:

    In VS2008 has anyone noticed any enhancements in custom user controls, hosting activex controls ..stability. Is there a VS controls  dev teamblog ?

  151. Rob Warfel says:

    When will VS2008 MSDN distribution happen?

  152. Carol Grojean says:

    Hi Rob, if you are looking for MSDN library on public downloads you can find it here:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=6FF3BC60-32C8-4C22-8591-A20BF8DFF1A2&displaylang=en

    Thank you,

    Carol

  153. Carol Grojean says:

    Hi Rob, if you are looking for MSDN library on public downloads you can find it here (and we will work to make it more discoverable so thank you for your question!):

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=6FF3BC60-32C8-4C22-8591-A20BF8DFF1A2&displaylang=en

    Thank you,

    Carol

  154. Colby Africa says:

    VS 2008 RTM is presenting the "configuring environment for first use" dialog on every start up.  Is there something I can do to prevent this?

  155. Ken Watson (MSFT) says:

    Hi Colby – the dialog you see should only appear the first time you run Visual Studio. Perhaps some of the settings that get written during that process aren’t persisting for some reason. Can you try:

    1) devenv.exe /resetsettings

    If this doesn’t help, then try:

    2) devenv.exe /setup (on Vista you’ll need elevated permissions – from the start menu, right click on the "Command Prompt" shortcut and select "Run as Administrator")

    Finally if that hasn’t fixed it, please log an issue on the Microsoft Connect site and we’ll work with you to investigate the issue further:

    3) http://connect.microsoft.com/visualstudio then Sign In (top-right corner of page) with your Windows Live ID (hotmail/passport account); then click the "Submit a Bug or Suggestion" link; then click the green "submit feedback" button and follow the process.

    thanks, Ken

  156. Colby Africa says:

    Thanks Ken.  

    Neither solution helped.  I found a bug on Connect (ID = 107501) that has been closed but it is the exact same situation, including the use of roaming profiles.

    I don’t want to create a dup.  Is there a way you can reopen that existing bug?

    Thanks.

    Colby

  157. With the recent release of the Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5, not to mention prior versions like Microsoft

  158. With the recent release of the Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5, not to mention prior versions like Microsoft

  159. nongang says:

    Wow! Great !!!!

    thank you a lot

  160. Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 shipped!

  161. yino says:

    i am chinnese ,Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 shipped!

  162. Sure – it’s a little late in coming, but still feels good to say that Visual Studio 2008 has shipped

  163. Sure – it&#39;s a little late in coming, but still feels good to say that Visual Studio 2008 has shipped

  164. It&#39;s my pleasure to tell you we shipped VS2008 and .NET FX 3.5 today. Soma has all the details on

  165. ASPInsiders says:

    First, if you didn’t hear the news yet, Visual Studio 2008 and .NET 3.5 has shipped! Read Soma’s post

  166. ASPInsiders says:

    I’ve been pushing hard on using VS2008 with CRM 4 (Titan), and I’m more than happy to see it RTM. I have

  167. Visual Studio 2008 and the .NET Framework 3.5 (and the .NET Compact Framework 3.5) has shipped – more

  168. Redwerb says:

    Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5 shipped!

  169. Ray says:

    Is there anyway to download this VS2008ExpressENUX1397868.iso where it doesn’t transfer slower than a dialup connection from the south pole in summer during a thunderstorm??

    You’d think MSFT could afford to spend a little interest on making sure people could actually pull files from their site as if it were a real site..

  170. 2007 was another great year for software. Here are a few software releases that caught my eye and imagination

  171. Redwerb says:

    2007 was another great year for software. Here are a few software releases that caught my eye and imagination

  172. JScript Blog says:

    Now Visual Studio 2008 code named Orcas is out of door with incredible features. T he most highly anticipated

  173. Rohit says:

    Hi Soma,

    When would the retail packages be available in India

  174. Mark Gordon says:

    HERE IS A CHALLENGE USE VISUAL FOXPRO FOR A BIT THEN GO BACK AND USE .BLOAT AND SEE HOW MUCH EXTRA CODE YOU HAVE TO WRITE TO BUILD A SIMPLE DATABASE APPLICATION. THIS .NET STUFF TRULY IS A PIECE OF CRAP!

    YOU ALL NEED TO FINISH ONE PRODUCT BEFORE PUTTING OUT MORE SOFTWARE THAT FREAKING DOES NOT WORK.

    CASE AND POINT

    1) NO DEBUGGER IN SQL SERVER… PERHAPS WITH A LOT OF LUCK AND SOME TRICKY SETUP MAYBE YOU CAN DEBUG YOUR SP’S IN .CRAP

    2) WITH REFLECTION IN C# THERE IS NO WAY TO TRULY

    HIDE CLASS CODE.

    3) CREATE A STORED PROCEDURE THAT NEEDS TO BE CALLED FOR EACH ROW IN A TABLE WHERE THE FIELDS ARE PASSED IN AS PARAMETERS FROM A RECORD…. OF COURSE SOMETHING HELPFUL LIKE

     EXEC MYSP (SELECT FIELD1, FIELD2 FROM MYTABLE) DOES NOT WORK THAT WOULD MAKE TOO MUCH FREAKING SENSE … INSTEAD YOU HAVE TO DECLARE A FREAKING CURSOR AND "FETCH WHILE" WHAT A FING JOKE. BESIDES IT PERFORMS LIKE CRAP….

    4) LINQ YOU ARE PUTTING SKIP RECORD SUPPORT IN  HAHAHA THAT HAS BEEN IN FOXPRO SINCE DOS …

    5) .JUNK DOESN’T EVEN FOLLOW OOP STANDARDS IF YOU DROP A CONTROL ON A WEBFORM .JUNK PUTS THE BUSINESS LOGIC IN THE CODE BEHIND, GREAT DESIGN…. OR CREATE A DATA READER IN A MIDDLE TIER AND PASS IT TO THE UI GUESS WHAT THE UI HAS TO CLOSE AN OBJECT IT DIDN’T CREATE, THE DATA READER OBJECT. SO SINCE YOU TOTALLY JACKED N-TIER PROGRAMMING IN .JUNK NOW YOU ARE WORKING ON VOLT TO TRY AND STRAIGHTEN OUT THE MESS .JUNK CREATES … THANKS ALOT … HERE IS A THOUGHT DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

    6) FUNCTIONS IN SQL SERVER ARE A COOL CONCEPT OF COURSE DOING ANY SERIOUS DATA MANIPULATION IN THEM DOESN’T WORK BECAUSE THEY PERFORM LIKE CRAP. SO YOU END WITH DUPLICATE CODE IN YOUR SP’S … ANOTHER FEATURE NEVER FINISHED THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP DEVELOPERS.

    7) ABSOLUTE POSITIONING IN VS2008 LOOKS GREAT ON PAPER UNTIL YOU FREAKING USE IT ONLY TO FIND OUT THE PAGE .BLOAT CREATES RENDER LIKE CRAP IN BROWSERS OTHER THEN I.E. SO BACK TO USING TABLES.

    8) GRIDVIEW CONTROL IN .BLOAT, THAT IS A CODE GENERATOR WIZARD. THE GRID IS NOT EVEN OBJECT ORIENTED. CHECK OUT THE VFP GRID CONTROL AND LOOK AT .CRAPS VERSION. YOU WILL NOTICE IN VFP THE COLUMNS ARE OBJECTS WITH A COLUMNS COLLECTION THEN CONTROLS IN THE COLUMNS… . THAT MAKES SENSE !!!!!

    9) THE CLASS DESIGNER IN .JUNK … SHARP INTERFACE TO BAD FUNCTIONAL IT DOES FAR LESS THEN THE VISUALLY UGLY VFP CLASS BROWSER THAT WORKED AND ACTUALLY HELPED DEVELOPERS DO THEIR JOB DID….

    YOU TOOK THE ONLY DATABASE LANGUAGE MSFT HAD THAT WORKED VFP (PROBABLY BECAUSE MSFT DIDN’T INITIALLY DEVELOP IT)  AND KILLED IT THEN FORCED US INTO .CRAP … PEOPLE MAKE THEIR LIVING WRITING DATABASE APPLICATIONS STOP SCREWING OFF WITH SHIT LIKE SILVER LIGHT AND BUILD SOME TRUE DATA CENTRIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS OR BETTER YET ADD A REAL DATA CENTRIC LANGUAGE TO .CRAP … HERE IS A THOUGHT BRING BACK VFP…. YOU CANT DO THAT THEN NO ONE WOULD WANT TO USE .BLOAT . …..  DAMN YOU GUYS AT MICROSOFT ARE FREAKING CLUELESS …… MONOPOLIES SUCK!

    THEY REST OF YA’LL KEEP ON BEING CHEERLEADERS FOR MICROSOFT AND TELL THEM JUST HOW GREAT THEIR PRODUCTS ARE INSTEAD OF CALLING A SPADE A SPADE…

    MSFT HAS NO NEED TO DEVELOP SOFTWARE THAT ACTUALLY WORKS AND COULD HELP US DO OUR JOB BETTER AS LONG AS THE MAJORITY OF DEVELOPERS JUST GO WITH THE FLOW AND ARE HAPPY WRITING HUNDREDS OF LINES OF CODE WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TOO AND KEEP WORKING AROUND MSFT’S BUGS.

    OH BY THE WAY WHY DIDN’T THE MVC FRAMEWORK SHIP WITH VS 2008… JUST WHAT WE NEEDED ANOTHER PROGRAMMING PARADIGM FOR .BLOAT … GUESS YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH RUBY….

    IF I WAS BILL GATES I WOULD FIRE ALL OF YOU !!!!!!!!!

  175. Mark Gordon says:

    NO SOMA, IT IS NOT THAT I DONT WANT TO LEARN ANOTHER PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE (LIKE YOU IMPLIED IN AN INTERVIEW) THAT I AM A VFP SUPPORTER …. IT IS BECAUSE I MAKE MY LIVING WRITING DATABASE APPLICATIONS AND FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS I BEEN MOVING TO .CRAP AND FOR THE PAST 6 MONTHS I STRICTLY USE .CRAP AND I KNOW FRIST HAND JUST HOW FAR BEHIND THIS PACKAGE IS COMPARED TO VFP… I WATCHED MY PRODUCTIVITY DROP OFF, LINES OF CODE INCREASE ALONG WITH THE COST OF THE PROJECTS…THE SUPPORT OVERHEAD IS HIGHER AND SO IS THE HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS … AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE IS ZERO BENEFIT TO MYSELF AS A DEVELOPER OR MY CUSTOMERS FROM USING .CRAP COMPARED TO VFP ……

    ANY DAY OF THE WEEK I WILL SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND WE CAN WRITE AN APPLICATION IN .CRAP THEN IN VFP AND I WILL BET AT THE END OF THE DAY VFP WILL HAVE FEWER LINES OF CODE, THE APP WILL BE GET DONE QUICKER AND OUT PERFORM A .NET / SQL SERVER SOLUTION.

    I’M NOT EVEN IN THE SAME PROGRAMMING LEAGUE OF SOMEONE LIKE CALVIN HSIA AS MSFT JUST SIT WITH HIM AND PERFORM THE SAME TEST … I WILL BET PAYCHECKS HE COULD MAKE VFP PERFORM CIRCLES AROUND .NET ….

    MSFT NEEDED TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE BEFORE KILLING FOXPRO INSTEAD WHAT YOU GAVE US WAS A HUGE STEP BACKWARDS IN THIS .NET WORLD FOR DATABASE APPLICATIONS DEVELOPMENT …. .NET REALLY IS A MESS OF AN APPLICATION FOR SOMEONE TRYING TO BUILD A DATABASE APPLICATION . . . . DONT GET ME WRONG THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS, IF THEY WHERE FULLY IMPLEMENTED BURIED IN THE PACKAGE. BUT IT TRUELY SUCKS FOR DESKTOP DATABASE APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT IT IS CURRENT STATE HANDS DOWN IT IS FAR FAR FAR INFERIOR THEN VFP …. AND IT PISSES ME OFF TO NO END THAT MSFT IS WASTING TIME WORKING ON PROJECTS LIKE SILVER LIGHT AND EXPRESSION WHEN WE DO NOT EVEN HAVE TOOLS TO MAKE ACCESSING DATA EASY….

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME…

    BEST REGARDS,

    MARK

  176. Jayakumar, Bangalore, India says:

    Dear Mr. Somasekar,

    This is Jayakumar from Bangalore. How are you doing and how is your family? Any trip to Bangalore.

    Infact, we have been doing MS WM training including the latest version to Software firms in India like Motorola, CSC, E4E, LG SOFT, Virtusa to name few with the support of Sr.Practising professionals support from the Industry. All the trainings underwent high level of customisation meeting clients demands.

    Wish to understand whether any chance we can (Amstar Technologies, Bangalore)  alliance with MS to start aggressively pushing the training with your support in India reagion to start with. We do have our own branches in major IT cities in India and we work through business partners for International training business.

    Pls. let me know. You can reach me at: training@amstartechnologies.co.in

    Tel: 9880660585

    Jayakumar

    Bangalore.

  177. dentria says:

    VSS 2005 for VS 2008

  178. Jim says:

    I am not thrilled about the .NET FW 3.5. I think wrong technologies are being pushed and right technologies are being pressed.

    I do not see innvoative and machine critical application can be built without the flexibility in the language and using garbage collectors.

    You dont want to focus just developers productivity who builds normal applicatins.

    thanks

    Mike

  179. So the next version of Visual Studio is getting ready to release (it is actually already available for

  180. So the next version of Visual Studio is getting ready to release (it is actually already available for

  181. Jim says:

    Hardware capabilities are growing faster than ever. So software should be able to take the advantage of multi-dual core processsors to build GREAT applications. Otherwise you will be out of the market very soon!

    PS: I use two different names 🙂

    Mike

  182. LINQ to SQL went gold a few months ago with the release of Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5.

  183. LINQ to SQL went gold a few months ago with the release of Visual Studio 2008 and .NET Framework 3.5

  184. Chuki says:

    So there won’t be VS2005 SP2. Now we have to buy on. A new version every 2 years. Sounds a nice business for MS. But how can I trust a new version when de previous version does not work fine.

    Do you remerber VB6 SP6, SP6!!!

    Visual Studio 2005 is slow. How runs VS2008?. Is it faster?

    Cheers

  185. DimitriC says:

    Somasegar&#39;s blog reports: I am thrilled to announce that earlier today we shipped Visual Studio 2008

  186. designer x says:

    Congrats to the team, is this going to ship to New Zealand?

  187. jurpo says:

    hi,

    what’s different between Visual Studio 2005 vs Visual Studio 2008

    thx

  188. MegP_MS says:

    Hi Jurpo –

    Here is a link to what is new in Visual Studio 2008:  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb386063.aspx

    and here is a whitepaper that talks about this as well:  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=17319eb4-299c-43b8-a360-a1c2bd6a421b&displaylang=en

  189. Gulab says:

    Hi All,

    I just want to know if we ship framework 3.5 as a prerequisite along with our assemblies, is it necessary to ship framework 2.0 also. According to what I have understood, framework 3.5 is built over framework  2.0 adding new assemblies for functions like WCF,WPF.

    Please let me know if this is not a correct blog to post this message on.

    Thanks & Regards,

    Gulab.

  190. Somasegar says:

    Hi Gulab,

    .NET FX 3.5 package does include .NET FX 2.0 and .NET FX 3.0 packages.  So, if you re-distribute .NET FX 3.5 you don’t need to include .NET FX 2.0 or 3.0 as it is automatically included in .NET FX 3.5.

    -somasegar

  191. Love it or hate it beats the hell out of MFC what a nightmare that was 🙁

  192. Karthik.M says:

    Visual Studio 2008 is the Best

  193. I knew it was coming so I stayed up extra late last night but not long enough 🙂 Visual Studio 2008 Team Suite with the .NET Framework 3.5 is available on MSDN Subscriber Downloads ! See Soma’s post here . While my copy is on the way, I would like to

  194. Jess says:

    Hi Somasegar, Is it possible to install VS 2008 without the .NET Framework 3.5?  It is not supported on XP Embedded.

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