Geez! Talk about FUD

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. this is what OUR community is doing to us these day. I wonder how someone who claims he’s respectable can connect two completely unrelated sources of information into something negative towards Microsoft.

Read :


What does a marketing exercise to promote the flow of ideas and creativity correlate with paying for the operational costs of maintaining a marketplace?


Wow I say.


Ed, if you’re reading this, please pick on something that makes more sense. Ask us why we’re charging for updates, give us your honest and direct feedback about how unhappy you are with it, but drawing wild unrelated conclusions is unprofessional.

on a side note, Magnify did this for FREE. get your facts straight.

Comments (7)

  1. Paul says:

    I’m not Ed, but okay, I’ll bite.  Why are you charging $99 to the developer for each patch they put out on software (assuming that the developer has submitted a total of 5 or more applications/updates)?

    It seems that it would be more marketable to allow submissions for a reduced amount (even free) but charge a higher percent for the sale. Maybe even going the route of Ticketmaster and pass along a charge or "convenience fee" to the purchaser would seem to make more sense as it would allow for smaller development shops or independent developers to have no barrier to entry.

    With no barriers, the marketplace would be virtually flooded with applications.  When this happens, the buyers of the software would come to purchase generating x% and/or $x.xx of revenue per download going straight to offsetting the operational costs.

    Look at credit card processors for an example. A certain amount is charged per transaction plus a percentage of the total sale.

  2. Edward J R says:

    "exercise to promote the flow of ideas and creativity" ? Come on, this Fantasty Mobile was not Windows Mobile specific at all and don’t tell me that Microsoft has not spent any money on it in this or other form.

    You should keep in mind that unlike other websites devoted to Microsoft mobility in general or Windows Mobile in particular, the site is zero-BS website (‘telling how it is’) both in news articles and in podcasts. So you might be surrounded by a warm cushion on yes-sayers (MVPs, other Microsoft employees) but there is real world out there:

    Apple is charging $99 one time fee and no further fees for submissions of new apps or updates of old apps

    Google is charging $25 one time fee and no further fees for submissions of new apps or updates of old apps

    Microsoft will be charging $99 for each upload of new app and upload of update of old app. Also resubmissions of reject apps will be charged. The "5 tokens" will be used up in this way very quickly and end users will get much less apps and of higher quality as consequence of it.

    There ZERO fud in that article.

  3. Edward J R says:

    end users will get much less apps and of LOWER quality as consequence of it – sorry, I mistyped.

    Anyway: why don’t you join us (me and 2 guys from USA and 1 guy from England) on weekly podcast and why don’t you talk about these things?

  4. Loke Uei says:

    yes yes I know you guys are wondering what we’re doing with app updates on the Marketplace, but that is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT from us running the Fantasy Apps activity. Correct? How are those two associated at all?

    I’ll write up an explanation why we are charging for updates when I get the official word.

  5. thelondonthing says:

    "…drawing wild unrelated conclusions is unprofessional."  

    Unfortunately, that’s what Ed does all the time on the MS Mobiles website which he claims tells the "whole truth, not half the truth".

    Trouble is, Ed prefers sensationalist headlines and wild distortion of the facts to make a big story out of nothing.  Have a look through the forums on, and you’ll see plenty of people who share the same views as lokeuei and myself.

    Don’t get me wrong though – I think that charging $99 per version (not just per app) is not conducive to building a thriving and enthusiastic developer community; whatever meticulously crafted rationale Microsoft may weave together to try to justify that mode of charging, it’s pretty safe to say that most will look past the management guff and accept that the Apple and Android stores are ‘better’ because (on the face of it), they represent a better deal for the community.

    Given that Microsoft is entering this particular party so late, it seems questionable at best for them to be rocking the boat so much with the very developers that they need to make the Marketplace as success.

    Seems a very odd way of doing business to me, but hey, I’m only a business development consultant – what do I know?

    Whichever side of the fence you’re on though, most of us can agree that Edward J R of is, at best, a hack so desperate to boost traffic to his site that he’ll package any old nonsense together and stick an inflammatory headline on it – like "Microsoft hates developers but loves marketing companies", for example.

    He recent claimed that the new app store from PocketGear was a "scam". He insisted that because the store application was just a front-end for a web-based store (rather than a fully-furnished program like Apple’s App Store), that this represented a scam, a deliberate effort to defraud customers.

    While it’s certainly amusing to see what bizarre lie Ed will concoct next, it’s a little sad that he genuinely believes people respect his ramblings.

  6. r_abear says:

    MS should not require payment if developer gives versions of app:

    1. Version for lower mobile versions even (gasp) iPhone.  Yes, if you have to rip the competition even on the web marketplace area not just product choices.

    2. Version upgrades. Older versions still available for those who bought and may need another copy if they lose their device.

    This is customer care, in a way, leading to loyalty or more stickiness to the product as a whole.

  7. irblinx says:

    msmobiles "styles" itself after UK red top newspapers and goes for the sensational scoop even when it’s made up nonsense. Plus the guy has a knot of bitterness in his stomach born out of his belief that he deserves an MVP award. His annual "all these people are new MVP and don’t deserve it" posts are no end of fun!

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