I turned on "comment approval" a while back and used to get e-mails
telling me comments were waiting. Apparently my Spam filter was
eating them, so I apologize to Daniel who posted several notes, in
particular this one:
Mano seems quite bullish on the notion of designers and developers seamlessly interoperating...
People I've discussed it with are skeptical - we've been promised
the same with visual interdev, asp.net, etc. but it has fallen down in
real-world practice on big systems.
What are your thoughts about making this work in the "real world"
-- i.e. without world-class designers like Mano who grok the technology
AND have the design chops. Will I be able to allow your average graphic
designer/artist type who's never seen a line of C# check in to my
Thanks for your great demo and for what looks to be a sweet product.
Cheers - Daniel
I've heard this criticism before and it is completely valid. I
don't think we're doing a lot different as far as just splitting up the
design from the code than ASP.NET etc. have done. In Avalon we do
have a platform that was developed from the start with designers and
tools in mind, so I think we have some advantages over HTML with its
mongrel origins in the mind of Tim B-L and the browser warriors.
But I think the real point we're trying to make is that this sort of
workflow has never been possible for "desktop" applications
before. This is part of the "best of the web" (hopefully made
somewhat better) applied back to the "best of Windows".
We have tested Sparkle with non-Mano designers. The early results
are mixed but promising. I'll write soon about the
Model/View/ViewModel pattern our development team uses to try to
maximize our designers.