Part II: Better Everyday Browsing


As Paul mentioned in Part 1 of this post, we’ve really focused on making your everyday browsing experience better. In addition to the useful changes he talked about, we’ve made IE8 even more useful with integrated services so that you can easily accomplish the common things you do on the web – search for a product, check the weather, map an address, and more)

In Beta 1, we showed how IE8 could be better with services with features like Accelerators and Web Slices (BTW, Accelerators are the same as the Beta 1 Activities with an updated name and icon). For Beta 2 we have even more features that help you use your favorite sites in new ways.  Check out these features as you explore the product!

Search Box Suggestions

New to IE8 beta 2 are Search (text) Suggestions and Visual Search Suggestions which are wired into the Search box. As you type in the Search box, the selected search provider can offer query suggestions and display search results right in place! Not only can the search provider provide text suggestions, they can include images as well. This way you can dynamically narrow down your search results quickly and get single-click access to the web page without having to leave the Search box. Also, check out our new Quick Pick menu which puts your search providers at your fingertips. 

IE8 Visual Search Suggestions

To make it easier to take advantage of the enhanced Search box, we automatically update many of your existing search providers to versions that support suggestions. If you want more providers use the IE8 Gallery.

Accelerators

Copy-navigate-paste is old. Accelerators are services that you access directly from the webpage in the context of what you’re doing, letting you bookmark, define, email, map and more with a simple selection. Even your search providers are available as Accelerators. Some Accelerators provide previews so that you can view the result without having to leave the current webpage. Clicking on an Accelerator opens a new tab with the full result.

IE8 Accelerator

We’ve given you more control in IE8 beta 2 by adding custom categories to an Accelerator so that you can control how your Accelerators are organized. Just select an Accelerator from the Manage Add-ons dialog.

Find out if your favorite site has an Accelerator available from the IE8 Gallery.

Web Slices

As we showed in Beta 1, Web Slices give you updates directly from the Favorites bar, helping you keep track of your important information. A Web Slice is a subscription to part of a web page; when an update is available, IE8 bolds the title of the Web Slice so you know there’s something new to see. I have several Web Slices that make it easy to keep track of my favorites – the weather, friend updates on Facebook, popular links from Digg, and current auction items on eBay. When there’s something new to see, you can preview the update and click through to the full web page for more details. We’ve also added a refresh button from the preview for Beta 2 so that you can get the latest content without having to navigate.

IE8 Web Slice

When a site supports Web Slices a Web Slice icon IE8 Web Slice Iconappears in the command bar. Try out Web Slices with eBay, Digg, Live Search (type in your city + weather like “Seattle weather”), and more from the IE8 Gallery.

Feeds on the Favorites bar

In IE7 we added feed reading to the browser. For the IE8 Beta 2 release, we’ve made it even easier to reach your feeds by allowing them to be added to the Favorites bar. You’ll get updates just like you did before where unread headlines are marked in bold. Selecting a headline opens the full web page.

Favorites Bar Feeds

Feeds are available for most websites today – select the feed icon RSS Feed Icon in the command bar and use the new add button Add to Favorites Bar Button on the Favorites bar.

Suggested Sites

It’s easy to get stuck in a bit of a rut, browsing the same sites all the time. In IE8 we make it easier to find sites you might like. Once you turn on Suggested Sites, IE looks at what sites you visit and then offers recommendations of other similar or related sites, right from the Favorites Bar.

IE8 Suggested Sites

If you don’t have Suggested Sites on already, try it out by going to the Favorites Center Favorites Center Iconand clicking on the “Turn on Suggested Sites” button at the bottom of the menu. 

These features give you quick access to your services without having to leave the current webpage, making it faster and easier to browse the web.  We’ll be blogging about the details of these features as well as how sites can enable these services in the next few weeks, so stay tuned!

In the meantime, we hope you try out Beta 2 and check out the IE8 Gallery to customize your browser with the services you use all of the time.

Enjoy!

Jane Kim
Program Manager

Comments (127)

  1. fyi says:

    I would love to try this in Vista but many blogs/website is suggesting not to install beta 2.

  2. Jan says:

    The red / pink color for the tabgroup is a bit too much. Please tone it down a bit. The rest are fine.

  3. wai says:

    there is still a vertical line next to the favorites star (clear type on, xp sp3 english, ie8b1/2, using "Show Only Icons"), please fix.

    Features from ie8b2 are great, thanks!

  4. Waiting says:

    Uhm, Excuse me, does no one read the comments?

    We are ALL waiting for the new VPC images of XPSP3 / IE8 Beta 2!

    Tony Chor said these would be available yesterday.

    Have not even seen a link to where they can be downloaded yet. (even if they are not there yet)

    thanks.

  5. Jan says:

    Deleting folders from the undocked favorites list is impossible (right click –> delete). Please fix this.

    Also don’t collapse the favorites list when when the user deletes something via right click –> delete.

  6. VEEYES says:

    While all this is cool, and I really appreciate the ‘Find On Page’ app (I really wanted this, it was a pain to type in a different window and follow elsewhere, to add to, it not being incremental search!), there’s still one very important thing – when IE windows are closed, like something crashed, or I restarted the PC without closing the IE windows, why ‘dn’t the same windows show up the next time I boot into windows and start IE? Firefox has been doing this very well for a long time now? It would be great to have that app too, and then, we can compare IE and firefox! The tab-level crash recovery, I don’t think serves as much purpose as this, but, I’ven’t experienced it the hard way yet. But, IE8 is a lot cooler, and thanks for that.

    VS

  7. Jan says:

    The open this webslice as a webpage button at the bottom of the webslice should open in a new tab, not steal the current window.

  8. M. Coenen says:

    Funny, but since I installed IE8b2 my Windows Explorer crashes when I close a window… Win Vista SP2. Doesn’t sound like a feature.

  9. SJ says:

    "Doesn’t sound like a feature."

    This bug is really a feature!

    http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9242/bugisfeatureas9.jpg

  10. Don says:

    Hi IE developers,

    As someone that implements AJAX stuff, I’m VERY VERY happy to see that IE8 beta 2 uses asynchronous mode transfers so that I can react to events

  11. Don says:

    Hi IE developers,

    As someone that implements AJAX stuff, I’m VERY VERY happy to see that IE8 beta 2 uses asynchronous mode transfers so that I can react to events

  12. DonC says:

    Hi IE developers,

    I’m truly ecstatic to see that IE8 beta 2 uses mshtml in asynchronous mode.  This means I can write AJAX code that keeps up with the other main browsers.

    THANK YOU!

    This is a happy day!

  13. Ingo Chao says:

    Waiting for Part III with a link to the Internet Explorer Application Compatibility VPC Image

  14. aldo says:

    @fyi, what sites? I made an article about it on my site, http://mschat.net/blog/ie8-beta-2-is-it-worth-it-p4/ , and I suggest you at least try it out.

    Yes, the rendering engine is buggy, however, you can change it to Compatibility View, which will make the site render like IE7… It is a lot better then Beta 1 🙂

  15. Alan says:

    All in all I am very impressed with IE8. I appreciate the new accelerators and webslices, and it’s nice to see the additions to tabbed browsing and search.

    I have 2 small nitpicks, but other than that IE8 is solid:

    1) New favorites bar is good, but my personal preference is still the original list. I would very much like an option to disable the new favorites bar. There is nothing WRONG with it, I would just like the option to return to the old style.

    2) The translator accelerator has an option to translate Japanese to English, which is VERY useful to me in my line of work, but the accelerator does not recognize selected Japanese text to translate. If I highlight English text the accelerator button will pop up per normal, but when Japanese text is selected the accelerator does not appear, making the translator useless.

    Small nitpicks, I know, but they’re the only qualms I have.

  16. planinec says:

    THanK YOu!

    I can’t wait for part 3 as well

  17. M. Coenen says:

    Skip my comment earlier about the crashing Windows Explorer. Seems that one of my tools was not compatible with IE8b2 so *that* program was the bad one, not IE8b2 on it self.

    I’m using IE8B2 for some time now, and it seems that the tabs are somewhat slow on opening a new tab. When a tab is open, it loads new sites very fast.

  18. aa says:

    I don’t really understand what this InPrivate Blocking Data’ is that is saved. What is it for and why is it saved; that defeats the whole purpose of InPrivate because it can be tracked to sites visited?

  19. abhinov.k.s says:

    Search box suggestions is simply amazing and so is inline search , the new address bar etc etc. IE 8 beta 1 used to crash frequently when i used wikipedia, but i dont find any glitches now. Awesome work by the IE team.

  20. Neutral says:

    Search Box Suggestions:

    Please change it so clicking on the buttons for different providers only changes the results shown in the suggestion list instead of jumping you to that search page.

    Thanks 🙂

  21. Neutral says:

    Search Box Suggestions:

    Please change it so clicking on the buttons for different providers only changes the results shown in the suggestion list instead of jumping you to that search page.

    Thanks 🙂

  22. ShadowWolf16 says:

    WOW!!! IE8 beta 2 is cool you did a better job on beta 2 then beta 1 and lots of implements the compatibility view is good for web sites for IE7. Its so cool for the build in Smart Address Bar thats is a lot of help, I also like Accelerators for web base Searchess and can add more search engines to the build in search box, I love the Search Box Suggestions its more Implement then ever be for help find anything faster. and bigs implement is the InPrivate mode or should I said the porn mode its the coolest out of all the implements this is to me the best one so far. what ever the case IE8 beta 2 is the best and it need a little more implements like a better download manager just like firefox just a little a  ideal. O and I have no problems on IE8 beta 2 at all  

  23. 1) How about the Favorites drop-down list at "Add to Favorites" dialog? It is really bad, esp. with recent IE versions expanding the tree. If you have lots of favorites like me in a deep hierarchy you’re doomed.

    2) Also how about using tags? Folder a/b/c could be considered as tags "a, b, c" and make your life simpler

    3) At the "Add to favorites" dialog, if you give at the current tree level a new folder name that already exists instead of selecting that preexisting folder and makes you get lost in the tree hierarchy (see [1] above) trying to find the preexisting folder to select it and then add the favorite

    Isn’t there any usability expert at MS to redesign the favorites dialogs?

  24. cuprohastes says:

    OK, so this anti-phishing, URL highlighting. What happens if I jsut make a URL that’s long enough to put the domain off the end of the address bar so you can’t see it?

  25. jarh says:

    agree with the other comment red and pink tab color should be remove if it exist.

  26. John says:

    Top things I don’t like since IE7 (and still IE8 beta 2) and which were the reason for me to switch to Firefox:

    – no download manager

    – really bad favorite manager

    – no mouse wheel scroll support in long favorite menus (the small error scroll button at the bottom and top is a pain and too slow)

    – when I go to the Google website the cursor is not in the search box like in every other browser including IE6. I have to click in it first.

    – the file save dialog for images always starts in the personal image folder and doesn’t remember the last location (I don’t use the personal folders on C:)

    – The toolbar icons in the same location as the tab bar, this is a waste of space for tabs.

  27. abca says:

    When you switch the search provider at the bottom of the Visual search window, it will load the website to search for the search query. I would rather like to see the Visual Search results in the popup box when switching the search provider.

  28. tiso says:

    I really dislike the ‘pink’ color (i.e. faded red) that is used for the tabgroup. Can you make this more red, because the pink is ugly.

  29. Chris says:

    Maybe I’m looking in the wrong place, but I can’t figure out how to hide the search box. It doesn’t seem to be under Customise Toolbar (or whatever it’s called; I don’t have my VM running at the moment).

  30. @John

    >> – when I go to the Google website the cursor is not in the search box like in every other browser including IE6. I have to click in it first.

    this works for me.  when i go to the google site the cursor goes directly to the search box.  when you go there, where is the focus?

    >> – The toolbar icons in the same location as the tab bar, this is a waste of space for tabs.

    you can move this.  right click in the tab band or command bar and uncheck ‘Lock the Toolbars’.  then use the grippers to drag the command bar around.  you can also move the Favorites button and Favorites Bar.

  31. David says:

    This version of IE8 Beta is awesome. I like the new features you guys put into it. It loads webpages a lot faster then Beta 1 did (a huge concern for me).

    Keep up the excellent work!

  32. David says:

    This version of IE8 Beta is awesome. I like the new features you guys put into it. It loads webpages a lot faster then Beta 1 did (a huge concern for me).

    Keep up the excellent work!

  33. TheViewMaster says:

    *Cross Posted From Engineering Windows 7 : Windows 7 — Approach to System Performance

    http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/08/27/windows-7-approach-to-system-performance.aspx

    I Believe That, The Most Perceptible Change In System Speed/Performance Can Be "Easily" Demonstrated On This Very Engineering Windows 7 : Windows 7 — Approach to System Performance Webpage!

    …& That, Would Be That, In Order To Get The Most Current Content (Changes) Here, (i.e. The Comments Posted Below This Comment), You Still, In The Year 2008, Have To "Reload" The Whole, Entire Webpage (File)…

    …As Opposed To Staying On This Webpage, On ReLoad & Jus’Importing The "New" Information/Changes (Like, i.e. Stock Quotes, Which Have Been Possible For Years, Now)!!!

    Do You Have Any Idea How Much Time Has Been Lost Over The Years "ReLoading & ReLoading & ReLoading & ReLoading… Ad Infinitum" The Whole, Entire Webpage (File)…

    …Jus’To Get The "Current" Changes?

    eNuff of The Hood Ornaments, Already!!!

    Importing Jus’The "Changes" To The Webpage/(File) & Not The Whole, Entire Webpage/(File) On ReLoad Would Have a Signficant Impact On @Least The Perception of Speed/Performance of Windows 7/IE8!

    Agree?

  34. Roman says:

    So… how do Calvin and Hobbes relate to hamsters?

    8=]

  35. David says:

    This is an awesome version of IE8 Beta. It loads pages a lot faster then Beta 1 did (that was my biggest concern).

    Keep up the excellent work!

  36. doodle says:

    Hey guys, great work!

    A few suggestions though, if I may:

    1) I have Open New Tab set as "Blank Page". Why is it that whenever I open a new tab, there’s a small delay (200-300ms) when the tab opens, in which it even says "Connecting" in the title and then changes to "Blank Page"? Where is it connecting? It’s a blank page! This delay should not make it to the final version.

    2) The new "Favorites Bar" is a good idea, but bad execution. Just look at all the blank this bar creates (between the address bar and the commands+tabs bar). I think the default view should be *without* the Favorites Bar, having the Favorites button show to the left of the tabs. In my opinion, it’s a lot cleaner and tidier this way.

    I’m liking where this new version is going, and I’ll be keeping my eye on it. Hope my suggestions get addressed!

    Thanks,

    doodle

  37. Atomic Tofu says:

    works for me in Vista…conspiracy types…lol

    seems great so far, love the speed and rendering, so crisp

  38. Xepol says:

    Anyone get the live search weather slice working?  I get nothing when I try.  Very annoying.

  39. weird says:

    I don’t care what microsoft adds to IE. It just plain sucks. If microsoft would let go of their pride and make IE open source, then I might care some.

  40. Ramnyc says:

    Have been using Beta 2 for two days. Some comments:

    1. reformatted address bar may work for some, but for many others (myself included) it is an unwanted distraction. I do not want feeds or favorites there at all. I want the sites I have visited that day so I can easily return to them without having to go through the cumbersome history (ie: washingtonpost.com, nytimes.com, etc.)  The truncated list of sites forces me to retype the site rather than just using a drop down connection from the address bar. PLUS, it takes too long to get the address bar drop downs to load… often requiring many clicks.

    2. Allow relocation of the "home" button to preferred location.

    3. One day someone will get smart about the top of every page on Explorer, firefox, etc. The long blue (in this case) back with the site name is not needed when using tabs. The Minimize/Maximize/Close buttons could be relocated. With widescreen monitors this would return a lot of usable page space to users.

    4. The back button forces constant refreshing in order to gain access to page desired.

    5. I have customized my toolbar about 10x only to have it change on its own repeatedly (for instance, I do not want my bluetooth button there but I want Roboform.. well no such luck if I close and restart- it reverts to whatever it wants).

    7, But most important to me, using Vista with IE I had been unable to highlight many email addresses (in Yahoo and other mail programs); have been unable to highlight and copy many portions of webpages, etc. I was at the point of wanting to smash my new computer (and considering Dell’s ZERO support despite paying for it), I am so far pleased that the problem has not shown itself on IE8 (though many sites do not line up properly with the cursor thus far).

  41. Second says:

    Waiting for Part III with a link to the Internet Explorer Application Compatibility VPC Image

  42. bob says:

    I really like this beta, but the worst bug i’ve noticed so far is that the onecare safety scanner doesn’t load and freezes.  i have to control-alt-delete and close the whole browser.  please fix this so i can clean my registry!

  43. Xepol says:

    Am I the only one getting what appears to be partial page renders until you click on something, and then suddenly the rest of the page suddenly jumps into existance?  Which site?  Oh, most of them.  Anything from Google to the most out of the way website I can come across.

    Very strange.  I think I will have to uninstall IE8, it appears to be completely insane.

  44. Mowd says:

    I found ie8 beta2 in some way would cause memory leak.

  45. Eduardo Valencia says:

    Right Now Internet Explorer 8 beta 2 is using 2 prcesses 1) 42.566 KB 2)8568 KB

    Why not unite these 2 processes and make it less RAM resource Hog?

  46. Eduardo Valencia says:

    Somehow when i start Internnet Explorer 8 Beta 2,it uses 100% CPU,then it settles down…

    Bug?

  47. Eduardo Valencia says:

    More suggestions:

    – Load webpage objetcs in fade effect,for smooth transition? Simply design a more pleasant way to load the page

    – In-Line search

    – Download Manager

    Great Work Guys! keep up the Good Work

  48. Eden says:

    @Eduardo Valencia

    2 processes are required for crash recovery. One for the window, and the other for tabs I assume.

    Inline search is included in this new beta.

  49. Eden says:

    It seems like IE’s textboxex and dropdown menus are no more Windows control, rather implemented by IE. I’m happy to hear that! They WILL finally support all the standards. However, there seems to be a lot of bugs, visually and functionally.

  50. whitewolf says:

    I think the New Tab Page and the colored Tab Grouping still need some tweaks.

  51. Eduardo Valencia says:

    Internet Explorer 8 beta 3 is needed

    For sure.

  52. Jack says:

    after installing ie 8 bets 2 ,could not install my hp 5610 software,removed ie 8,and the hp 5610 software installs with out problem.

  53. Nikhil says:

    Hi.

    I am facing a Prob in color coding of Tab Group. most of the time diff groups are having same color, wch mke diffcult fr me.. to diff b/w various groups..!!

    Is i m missing smethng in my settings..??

  54. mocax says:

    no problems here. working as expected.

    RSS works much better than Firefox’s

  55. Mantas says:

    That was a shock. Who can explain the wildly ranging RAM requirements for IE8 Beta 2 between different operating systems? These are the oficial numbers taken from the IE website:

    * Windows Vista (RTM or SP1) – 512MB

    * Windows XP (SP2 or SP3) – 64 MB

    Vista requires 8x more RAM for IE 8 compared to XP based system? If so, it’s yet another nail into Vista’s coffin.

  56. Eric says:

    IE is great. Just a question though:

    Why is it not showing any of my pages with the word "upload" in them?

    Is this a bug or a "security feature"?

    I think it should rather prompt the user for something like that because you end up with a load of confused end users when pages start showing up blanks.

  57. Mantas says:

    A quick review of Beta 2:

    What I did like:

    * The quick switching into the compatibility mode using a single button

    * The activities feature

    * Tab grouping

    * Correct saving of web pages into the web archive. Until now, the web archive choice tended to produce distorted results so "Save As Webpage complete" was my default option.

    The things that still need tweaking:

    * The favorites tab. The "Add Favorite" button was moved inside the menu but it now it feels even more awkward.

    * The favorites management was improved compared to IE7 but it is still clunky and inconvenient when I want to move a block of already saved favorites into the favorites folder or push them to the top of the list. In other words, it would be very handy if the favorites management window would allow to select multiple items at the same time using standard Ctrl (individual selection of several items), Shift (group selection) techniques.

    * Maybe it’s just a matter of taste but the address suggestions (when typing in the address bar) now feels visually overloaded and cluttered without giving any real value.

  58. Rich2k says:

    When you turn off the favorites bar (so that it looks like the default layout on IE7 on Vista), the favorites button goes back being infront of the tabs, but where is the add favorite button gone and why can’t I get it back.

    This is a backwards usability step as it is now harder to bookmark again.

    I don’t like the favorites bar, just like I didn’t ever like the links bar and always have them turned off.

    However the compatibility mode button (instead of emulate IE7) is a great move and fits nicely in.

    I do have to ask though if Trident is now standards compliant like Firefox and Opera, how come some sites (with no browser sniffing going on) work perfectly in IE7, Firefox and Opera but break in IE8.

  59. Scenario1: when you browse the web for some foreign food, you come across words you don’t know. You want

  60. abhinov.k.s says:

    Only a download manager is missing (support for torrents would make it even better). Everything else is fine.

  61. Michael Madsen says:

    @Xepol: No, you’re not – I see it too. I think they’ve parallelized the rendering engine to take better advantage of multi-core processors, but they appear to have some synchronization issues; it’s somewhat random what it won’t render (I’ve even seen it stop in the middle of elements). It also occasionally leads to IE thinking the position of a number of elements is different from what is rendered.

    Most pages will render correctly with a quick hit of F5, though, and there’s always compatibility view.

  62. Mantas says:

    Forgot to mention: inline search is great.

    However, the supposedly "smart" address bar is really overdoing certain aspects. E.g. who would ever go to feeds by typing them in the address bar? Even if someone does it, they are certainly power users who can invoke feeds from the feeds list without any problem. For the rest, it’s visual clutter.

    "Autocomplete suggestion" section – pretty useless and certainly shouldn’t be on top implying it’s the most important section. Eliminate.

    The remaining two sections – "History" and "Favorites" suggestions are OK but I feel the order should be reversed as the favorites indicate "firm" historical entries, used more often, which therefore should go to the top.

    And what’s the point of having the arrow at the end of the suggestions? Again visual clutter and non-intuitive.

    The core psychology rests here: a) present to the user as few categories as possible (max. 3 is ideal); b) the suggestions from the most often used category should be on the top, etc.

    Currently you use 5 categories of suggestions(including the downward pointing arrow) in random order. If you keep only the favorites and history suggestions in this order when typing addresses, that should work fine.

    Simplicity is the king.

  63. Xepol says:

    Michael Madsen -> True about the comptability mode, but I have found that even with that on, it can still jam objects into the wrong spot on occasion.  Pretty darn frustrating.

    Defintely a lot of work to do before they get near release candidate stage!

  64. Phylyp says:

    @Mantas: The RAM requirement is for the OS as well as IE. Vista has higher RAM requirements than XP.

  65. Phylyp says:

    @Xepol: Aargh, I never noticed this problem the past day. Now that I’ve read your comment I’ve started noticing it.

    Reminds me of the probabilistic statement that if no one looks at the moon, does it mean it’s still in the sky?

  66. Arieta says:

    I found a quite annoying error… "right click save as" does not work. Not correctly, anyway.

    On images, it saves everything with 1236~1.jpg and similar filenames. exe and rar files don’t even get saved – they are downloaded, but are not copied out of the temporary internet files folder.

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  68. geldlening says:

    The tab groups is a great addition to the user experience but they still need some tweaks. The InPrivate mode works perfect. As soon as the window is closed any activity perfomed is forgotten which is great.

  69. Mudassir says:

    1. Make the zoom button at the bottom right like the zoom slider in Office 2007.

    2. Remove the separator line between View Favorites and Add to Favorite buttons.

    3. Remove the separator lines between status bar icons. (this was also requested in Part 1 of this blog.)

    4. Move the Close (X) button on Find bar to far right. It looks consistent with tabs, explorer bars and other windows.

    5. Add icons to Previous/Next buttons on the Find bar.

    6. Considering the personal taste of users, it would be nice to let them choose (in Tabs preference) what colors do they prefer for tab grouping.

    7. Feed dropdown menus on Favorites bar don’t display more than 20 items at a time. Can this limit be removed? It will be nice to see as many items as avaiable screen space.

    8. Last but not least… Is it possible to add ‘Split Viewing’ feature as in Microsoft Word and Excel? I don’t think it is simple, but this great feature will make IE stand out among all browsers.

  70. Donny V says:

    I found a bug when using the meta tag with a tranform.

    This makes the pages in IE8 Beta 2 all wacky!

    "<meta http-equiv="Page-Exit" content="progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.Fade(duration=.25)" />"

    I setup 2 pages that have this meta tag, with some simple html in them.

    Test case: http://gis.civilsolutions.biz/downloads/IE8Beta2Bug/FirstPage.htm

    There is a link on the first page to the second page. If you try hitting the back button from the second page you’ll see that the page doesn’t get refreshed and it freezes up.

    Looks like the rendering engine doesn’t like it.

  71. Donny V says:

    Sometimes you can’t see the second page because of the bug. Do a view source theres actually something there. Its just no showing.

  72. A User says:

    Why do people still use this shitty excuse for a browser… ?

  73. Donny V says:

    I think IE8 Beta2 is awesome! It renders the pages quick and I like the isolated tab process.

    But you have to understand that its still in Beta.

  74. mocax says:

    Firefox3 is officially retired as my default browser 😀

    until 3.1, that is

    Any pointers on how to implement the image suggestions for my site?

  75. Markus says:

    @Donny V: Not sure if you are aware, but Microsoft is trying to phase out the proprietary filters… they are buggy, and very "old school".

    You’ll have noticed by now they don’t work for alpha transparency as MSFT is moving towards using CSS standards to support this. (-ms-opacity property)

    @MSFT Where are the VPC images? (we’re now on day 2 after the day that we were promised them!)

    @MSFT The Home button ‘soooo’ belongs left of the location bar (as do reload and stop).

    @MSFT The tooltip on the "Compatibilty View" indicates that this is for "sites designed for older browsers"…  I love the Political Correctness effort here, but come on… why not call a spade a spade.

    "Compatibilty View is for sites designed for non-standards compliant IE6 and IE7. Click to switch to the legacy rendering mode."

  76. erictee says:

    great speed, great feature but there are some improvements that you can do:

    1. scroolbar at news.softpedia.com is not working.I can only scroll the page using the mouse wheel.Works fine with compatibility view

    2. set the caret browsing on default

    3. close dialog doesn’t need "close current tab"

    4. reduce the height of favourite bar

    5. address bar should be below the menu bar

    6. download manager with pause and resume capibility

    7. option to disable "reopen last session","inPrivate Browsing" and "use accelerator" at new tab.the tab loads slow

    8. option to disable some of the search option in address bar, like favourite,feed and history.Most user only use autocomplete suggestion

    9. improve the bookmark manager

  77. Open Web Standards says:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/29/hakon_lie_ie8_interoperability/

    Microsoft breaks IE8 interoperability promise

    By Hakon Lie, CTO, Opera Software

  78. hammer says:

    Integrate the search box and smart address bar.

    please move the findbar x button to the right just like the information bar.

    reduce the height of favorite bar

    reopen closed tab button

    pin favorite center look bad  

  79. Mr. Obvious says:

    Just out of curiosity, what is Microsoft’s projected first year revenue for site placement in the "Suggested Sites" list?

  80. roobaj says:

    i haven’t seen it mentioned yet but is there a spell check?

    and no download manager is a shame, you guys should totally buy/rip minidm from IE7pro.

  81. Morten says:

    Turn of accellerators. It makes IE8 sooooo slow.

  82. Justin says:

    Video is not working on the DNC website.  

    My suggestion is to add a "bug button" to IE beta like the one that was in Apple Safari.  It allowed them to find so many sites that their browser had issues with. There must be a clear way for users to easily report issues.  This would allow the IE team to either address the issue within the browser or work with the Sites to have them improve their compatibility.

  83. element says:

    after installing IE8 explorer.exe crashes, even when IE8 is not open. vista x64.

  84. Brian says:

    I find two things here that I really like:

    – Tabs are now very fast and light feeling.

    – Accelerators are a great idea. When I formerly used Opera I used the right-click > "Search With Google" feature constantly.

    Now the things I don’t like:

    – The drop-down search history. I don’t want to see every search term I’ve ever typed in. And I definitely don’t want other users of the browser to see them. Clearing the history seems to have no effect on this, and there doesn’t seem to be any way to turn the feature off.

    – The move of Delete Browsing History to the Safety menu. I just don’t associate clearing my history with the concept of "safety."

    – The "awesome bar" is just confusing and distracting. I’m sure some people will enjoy this functionality, but please give us an option to turn it off. Also, clearing the history seems to have no effect on this either.

    Looking forward to the final release!

  85. Jeff Nadeau says:

    Congrats on shipping those features!

    An old friend!

  86. randy says:

    can you make the scrollbar a little bit longer so it’s easily clickable. look at the scrollbar when viewing this IEblog website.

    the scrollbar still has no animation. Windows explorer have it and even firefox 3.

    the favorite bar is too high. No one click access to add favorite when turning off favorite bar.

    IE 8 beta 2 is pretty slow in dial-up. FF3 i don’t notice any slow down

    option to have bold tex on domain highlighting

  87. Garth says:

    Bold Text Highlighting instead of graying out the domain in the location bar would be a VERY GOOD option.

    We can all agree that fading it out sucks horribly, but there are no other user options for how this is handled.

  88. abhinov.k.s says:

    the password manager needs to be revamped in IE 8 beta 2.the save password prompt should be a part of the information bar just like in firefox 3, not an old fashioned modal window.

  89. Justin says:

    I can’t believe this is Beta 2.  It is very unstable, and some of the features don’t work at all.

    For starters, what is going on with the iexplore.exe processes!?!?  When I open IE8, I have 2 by default.  If I open a second tab, I get a third process, then a fourth when I get to four tabs, etc.  If you end task a process that is not the main process, it will re-spawn others, thus almost duplicating the number of processes running.  Is that the answer to "browsing faster", create more processes and use more memory?

    The favorites bar is WAY to big.

    Caret browsing?  I don’t get it.  There is a cursor in the browser that I can tab around to links on pages.  Don’t do it too much though, because if you reach the end of the page, IE8 will crash the second time around.  Couldn’t you tab to links on pages before?  Am I missing something with this feature?

    I had Google set as my default search provider in IE7, but that didn’t carry over to IE8, so when I click on the search bar, if crashes IE.

    I have the default "Accelerators" installed, however, when I highlight text and click on the pretty blue arrow that pops up, I get no menu.

    I’m not sure if this is intentional or not, but it is annoying.  Sometimes, not always, when you search in google, you will only see 3 or 4 results, but if you right-click on one of them, magically the rest appear.

    When I right-click on the address bar, I see that I have the option to "Open IME".  I’m not sure what it does, but I can then right-click again and "Close IME".  I did check the help, but it didn’t return any results.  After it didn’t return any results, it also brought the window I was in prior to opening IE8 to the forground, unselected.  If you do this just right, and IE isn’t maximized, you can drag your IE window around the back of the other window, and back to the forefront.  Look, it’s behind, now it’s in front.  Again, you have to have your windows set up just right to do that trick, but reguardless, closing help will bring a previous window to the forefront and unselected.

    Did anyone TRY to run the ACID 3 test on this thing?  This is the MOST incompatable browser right next to the HotJava brwser as far as web standards are concerned.  PLEASE, for the love of all that is good in the world, PLEASE stop re-inventing standards!!!  Why does each version of IE go farther and farther from internet standards, and force web developers all over the world to re-design their sites to be compatable with the new browser?  IE8 couldn’t even complete the ACID 3 test.  The first time I ran it, it stopped at 12 of 100 tests.  The second time I think it reached 15.  WooHoo!  I can’t use Dell’s support site anymore.  Thanks.

    I have to admit, the emphasis on the base url in the address bar threw me at first.  I wasn’t sure the point of it, but I guess I understand now.  Not a bad feature, but not a jaw dropper either.

    It is nice to see some basic features making it’s way into IE.  For instance, recover where I left off after a crash is nice.  And believe me, I used it alot!

    Re-open a closed tab is good, and about time.

    The tab grouping/coloring is nice.  I will give cudos there.  However, if you start with one tab, then open a second, close the second, then open another second, you get a different color.  It would be nice if it kept the same color as before.  A very good idea/feature though.

    "InPrivate" browsing?  I can only imagine what that will be used for.

    I guess that’s all for a brief trial run.  This appears to me to be more Alpha then Beta.  Sorry to be so negative.  I’m sure the IE team put a lot of effort into this, but I think it falls far short.  Some nice ideas, but still needs some work.  I look forward to Beta 3.

  90. Stefan says:

    I loved the Internet Explorer until I discovered Firefox. Since there is no free ad blocker for the Internet Explorer I’ll stick with Firefox and Adblock Plus.

  91. Scott says:

    Still no download manager? Come on!

  92. roobaj says:

    stefan, try IE7pro.

    though i don’t think it support IE8 beta 2 at the moment.  

  93. abhinov.k.s says:

    @Justin

    "I can’t believe this is Beta 2.  It is very unstable, and some of the features don’t work at all."

    -> IE 8 beta 2 is unstable to a certain extent but definitely better than beta 1.

    "For starters, what is going on with the iexplore.exe processes!?!?  When I open IE8, I have 2 by default.  If I open a second tab, I get a third process…"

    -> I think it is mentioned that it is a feature of IE 8 beta 2. Didnt you read the blog??

    "The favorites bar is WAY to big."

    -> you can turn it off if you dont want it

    " I had Google set as my default search provider in IE7, but that didn’t carry over to IE8, so when I click on the search bar, if crashes IE.I have the default "Accelerators" installed, however, when I highlight text and click on the pretty blue arrow that pops up, I get no menu."

    -> I didnt have any problem with these.

    "Did anyone TRY to run the ACID 3 test on this thing?  This is the MOST incompatable browser right next to the HotJava brwser as far as web standards are concerned.  PLEASE, for the love of all that is good in the world, PLEASE stop re-inventing standards!!!  Why does each version of IE go farther and farther from internet standards, and force web developers all over the world to re-design their sites to be compatable with the new browser?  IE8 couldn’t even complete the ACID 3 test.  The first time I ran it, it stopped at 12 of 100 tests.  The second time I think it reached 15.  WooHoo!  I can’t use Dell’s support site anymore.  Thanks."

    -> IE 8 beta 2 gave 21/100 in acid 3 which is pretty bad. firefox 3 gave 70/100. Opera 9.52 gave 83/100. Safari 3.1 gave 83 /100. I guess IE is the worst of the lot here.

    "InPrivate" browsing?  I can only imagine what that will be used for."

    -> they have clearly mentioned its use in the blog. cant help it if you have something else in your mind.

  94. abhinov.k.s says:

    sorry, safari 3.1 gave 74 /100 in acid 3

  95. Jing says:

    I’m not how happy I should be about this feature…BUT whenever internet explorer pops up a warning about crashing. Internet Explorer NEVER closes. A tab might close, but that’s about it.

    Firefox 3 on the other hand takes down the whole program when it crashes.

  96. And please please revamp the password manager to be like the information bar in IE/Firefox. It’s being an annoyance right now because the only options are "Yes" and "No". And you have to choose them before signing in. In Firefox, you can choose after an option after signing in and there’s also a "Not now/not for this site" option for remembering passwords.

  97. Ian Easson says:

    Bug 1: In beta 2, if you start to select some text with your mouse, and then move the mouse pointer to the bottom (or top) of the window to make the display scroll so you can select a wider range, no scrolling occurs.

    Bug 2: If you do select a range of text with your mouse (without scrolling), and the entire text in the frame occupies more than one screenful, the screen jumps after the text is selected.

  98. ASPInsiders says:

    Do you want to try Internet Explorer 8 beta 2? Or do you want to test your website with XP and Internet

  99. Litus says:

    IE 8 should have a download manager. It is a feature that most other browsers have and IE should add it for the final release of IE 8.

    Please, we want a download manager!!!!

  100. Bug says:

    If you start writing an URL in a tab and then switch to another tab and then back to the first, all you wrote is lost!! This is poor design!!!!!! Should be fixed by IE 8 final release.

  101. DT blogi says:

    Microsoft hoidis kinni ajakavast, millest kirjutasime kandes Firefox 3 RC 2 väljas, IE8 Beta 2 tuleb augustis ning IE8 Beta on nüüdseks väljas. Käesolevalt annan ülevaate sellest, mida IE8 Beta 2 uut ja huvitavat pakub, kuid on lood jõudlusega j…

  102. Internet Explorer Beta 2 released last week ( downloads ). Here is the current list of companies providing

  103. vialou says:

    There’s something missing in all navigators except Firefox.

    Microsoft wanted to reduce the number of click in Office 2007. Why don’t Microsoft do the same thing in IE8? I use a lot of folders in my Favorite bar. When I click on a folder it opens it but when I want to go on to another folder (in the favorite bar) I have to click 2 times before it opens it (1 to close the folder which is opened and 1 to open the new folder selected). Under Firefox you can see that when you open a folder of your favorite bar and go on to another one; you don’t need to click.

    It would be great to have the option to enable this in IE8.

  104. Sebastian says:

    No download manager! Browsers are mostly for :

    1)viewing HTML pages

    2)downloading files

    Thus 50% of IE usage is…crap. Maybe the word is too strong but you get the idea.

    I’m sure microsoft could program that in 2 weeks.

  105. Sviluppatori says:

    Ieri sera non ho saputo resistere alla tentazione di scaricare il nuovo browser di google: sulle caratteristiche di chrome si è già detto molto, così come sulla sua velocità nell’eseguire i benchmark.Riporto qui le mie prime impressioni dopo solo qual

  106. Justin says:

    "For starters, what is going on with the iexplore.exe processes!?!?  When I open IE8, I have 2 by default.  If I open a second tab, I get a third process…"

    "-> I think it is mentioned that it is a feature of IE 8 beta 2. Didnt you read the blog?? "

    * A feature?  I certainly hope you’re not serious.  No program should have to spawn that many processes!  I did read through most of the blog, and even used the nifty new find feature, but I must still be missing where this is mentioned.

    "InPrivate" browsing?  I can only imagine what that will be used for."

    "-> they have clearly mentioned its use in the blog. cant help it if you have something else in your mind."

    * I’m thinking it will make it hard to investigate potential fraud or malicious activity in a corporate enviroment, that’s what I’m thinking.

  107. Nick says:

    Great release, big improvement over IE7. I’m a Firefox user and there are four areas I noticed that are still critically lacking for me to say "wow!" to IE8:

    1. when importing bookmarks from Firefox, the links came in, but not the icons on the browser favorites bar. Can’t live without them, and too much trouble to re-create from scratch. Need auto import of these!

    2. password management. Where is this in IE? It did not import from Firefox. Need it.

    3. Ad blocker: lots of firefox users like the ad blockers as it makes web pages much cleaner. Generally, IE lacks add-ons. IE8 is progress to that end but still missing a lot.

    4. Tried your built in search features, believe it or not when I select text and right click on it, the only search option is google. Live is under extra accelerators. Sounds good to me, but did you intend to bury your own search?

    On the plus side, download to excel is pretty cool. I already use it for data and tables on web pages, and it works.

  108. JC says:

    You guys and gals really, really need to get your act together with IE8. I’ve been a long time IE user, eschewing FireFox and I am really getting annoyed, tired, and impatient with your lack of getting-it-right each time a new version comes out. How many times are you going to screw up? Every time a new version comes out web designers have to spend COUNTLESS hours re-working code to accommodate your idiotic mistakes. GET IT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

  109. abhinov.k.s says:

    @Justin

    "For starters, what is going on with the iexplore.exe processes!?!?  When I open IE8, I have 2 by default.  If I open a second tab, I get a third process…"

    "-> I think it is mentioned that it is a feature of IE 8 beta 2. Didnt you read the blog?? "

    * A feature?  I certainly hope you’re not serious.  No program should have to spawn that many processes!  I did read through most of the blog, and even used the nifty new find feature, but I must still be missing where this is mentioned.

    -> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/11/ie8-and-loosely-coupled-ie-lcie.aspx

    It says here that tabs are isolated from the frame, and are located in separate processes

    So each new tab will spawn a new process and in case of a crash only a particular tab will crash and not the window as a whole.

    "InPrivate" browsing?  I can only imagine what that will be used for."

    "-> they have clearly mentioned its use in the blog. cant help it if you have something else in your mind."

    * I’m thinking it will make it hard to investigate potential fraud or malicious activity in a corporate enviroment, that’s what I’m thinking.

    -> I can’t disagree with this though. Maybe they should design "InPrivate" mode in such a way that it requires elevated privileges to access it. Since mostly corporates do not give administrative privileges to users, it will probably not be misused.

  110. Eghost says:

    Definitely not satisfied with the minor UI allowances,  We still had more ability to change the UI in 4,5,and 6 than we do 7 and 8. Why can’t Microsoft give us back what we always had? I want to be able to move the address bar, I want to be able to move the left and right arrows, I want to be able to put icons along side of the address bar. I am so frustrated by Microsoft because you CONTINUE to totally ignore this issue and I can not understand why? Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 was released on August 27, 2001, and it is now September 6 2008, and Microsoft still has chosen to give us a weaker and more inferior product when it comes to giving customers a choice with the UI.

    Jane Kim in closing I will state this, I see it as one of two ways.

    1) It can’t be done because of limitations in Vista.

    OR

    2) Microsoft doesn’t care and you are just refusing to allow users access to full ui customizations.

    Either way it is deplorable, and it’s a shame, you gave us back not even half of what we use to have and you touting this as a GREAT NEW FEATURE!  

    Disappointing, totally; absolutely Disappointing…

  111. Anonymous says:

    Please decide: are they called add-ons, addons, add-ins, extensions or what?

    Please decide: are they hosted on Windows Marketplace, download.com, ieaddons.com, download.microsoft.com or what?

    Please decide: Why so many download sites for different Microsoft products’ extensions/add-ins/add-ons? Why? Visual Studio has its own site, IE its own, Office its own or what? Why so disorganized?

    Why are some of these sites under a Microsoft domain whilst others not? Why should ieaddons.com be its own domain?

    Please create a single site for all Microsoft extensions and put it under the Microsoft domain or at least a widely recognized domain. What happened to Windows Marketplace?

  112. Andrew says:

    What I will need from IE8 which make me retire my Firefox:

    – Adblock

    – Customizable interface (i.e support for theme)

    – Zero memory leaks even after certain periods of time

  113. User Opinion says:

    As long as your design is spot on… it is about 90% at the moment… then i as many others… are not fussed about customisable interfaces… too many security issues… instability too… i’d rather your time was spent in other features… including download manager, "quick slice" (similar to quick view) for the favorites bar, beter favorites organiser… separating tabs into seperate processes identifiable on the windows task manager… PLEASE!!!!

  114. IEBlog says:

    Hello World! I’m Sharon Cohen, Program Manager for Search in Internet Explorer 8. If you’re already using

  115. If you’re already using IE8 Beta 2, you’ve probably already seen the new search features available in

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    Hello, My name is Sébastien Zimmermann. I’m the developer owner for the Visual Search Feature , which

  117. Даже пользователи альтернативных браузеров не могут не признать, что новых функций в IE8 Beta 2 хоть

  118. IEBlog says:

    When Internet Explorer 8 Beta 1 launched in March, I wrote a post describing the permissive intellectual

  119. When Internet Explorer 8 Beta 1 launched in March, we wrote a post describing the permissive intellectual

  120. IEBlog says:

    Hi, my name is JP Gonzalez-Castellan and I’m the Accessibility Program Manager for IE8. The IE team has

  121. IEBlog says:

    One of the things that I learned from working on IE is that there are common patterns of how users browse

  122. IEBlog says:

    The IE8 feature Suggested Sites helps you discover related sites that can be helpful to get more information

  123. IEBlog says:

    Hello, my name is Amy Placzkiewicz and I’m a Lead Software Design Engineer in Test on Internet Explorer’s

  124. IEBlog says:

    Today we’re excited to release the final build of Internet Explorer 8 in 25 languages. IE8 makes what

  125. Tim Sneath says:

    Dean Hachamovitch is the General Manager for the Internet Explorer team. Amazingly, he managed to blog