IE and Windows XP Service Pack 3


Hi.

My name is Jane Maliouta and I am the Deployment PM for IE8. You might remember my recent blog on Installing IE8. Today I am here to tell you about Windows XP SP3 (XPSP3) and how it’ll work with the various released versions of Internet Explorer.

Windows XP SP3 contains some new updates, and a number of bug fixes and security improvements. You can learn more about XPSP3 features by reading the white paper located here. We expect XPSP3 will be publicly available shortly and want you to have this information prior to its final release to the web.

Internet Explorer 6 Users

XPSP3 will continue to ship with IE6 and contains a roll-up of the latest security updates for IE6. If you are still running Internet Explorer 6, then XPSP3 will be offered to you via Windows Update as a high priority update. You can safely install XPSP3 and will have an updated version of IE6 with all your personal preferences, such as home pages and favorites, still intact.

If you are currently running IE7 or IE8 on  Windows XP SP2 (XPSP2) and you are thinking of upgrading to XPSP3, read on.

Internet Explorer 7 Users

If you are currently running IE7 on XPSP2, Windows Update will offer you XPSP3 as a high priority update. If you choose to install XPSP3, Internet Explorer 7 will remain on your system after the install is complete. Your preferences will be retained. However, you will no longer be able to uninstall IE7. If you go to Control Panel->Add/Remove Programs, the Remove option will be grayed out.

This behavior is by design and here is why. When we install IE7 on Windows XP SP2, we backup the existing IE6 files in an uninstall directory.  Those IE6 files are the ones that shipped on XPSP2 plus all the security updates you’ve installed while using IE6. Windows XP SP3 contains a newer version of the Internet Explorer 6 files. If you have XPSP3 on your system and uninstall IE7, your system would revert to the backed up (older) version of the IE6 files rather than the newer XPSP3 version. You would end up in a mixed file state in Windows where most files would be the upgraded XPSP3, except for the IE6 files restored when uninstalling IE7. This state is not supported and is very bug prone. To ensure a reliable user experience, we prevent this broken state by disabling the ability to uninstall Internet Explorer 7.

If you must uninstall IE7 after you have upgraded to XPSP3, then you have to first uninstall XPSP3, and then uninstall IE7. After this series of uninstalls, you will be reverted back to a XPSP2, and a stable version of IE6, so feel free to upgrade to XPSP3 again.

If you install IE7 after you install XPSP3, then you will be able to uninstall IE7 at any point and be reverted to the newer IE6 version that ships in XPSP3. The restriction on uninstalling only applies to when you install a Windows Service Pack release on top of a standalone IE release.

Keeping this in mind, you might want to uninstall IE7, upgrade to XPSP3 and then install IE7 again so you can uninstall IE7 in the future if need be.

Internet Explorer 8 Beta 1 Users

Installing IE8 Beta1 on Windows XP SP3  is fully supported, so go ahead and upgrade your computers to XPSP3 and then install IE8 Beta 1 to try out our new features. You will be able to uninstall IE8 Beta 1 at any point to revert back to either IE7 or IE6 depending on what you were using before.

However, if you already have IE8 Beta 1 installed on XPSP2, Windows XP SP3 will not be offered to you via Windows Update. This is because after you update your system to XPSP3, you will no longer be able to uninstall IE8 Beta 1 and the Remove option will be grayed out under the Add/Remove programs in Control Panel. The reason is the same as in IE7 case described above. Since people are more likely to uninstall beta software, we strongly recommend uninstalling IE8 Beta 1 prior to upgrading to Windows XP SP3 to eliminate any deployment issues and install IE8 Beta 1 after XPSP3 is on your machine.

Thanks,

Jane Maliouta
Program Manager

Comments (117)

  1. Bruno Faria says:

    Hello :)

    What about when we slipstream IE7 to a Windows XP CD already containing SP3..

    Is the currently IE7 ( build 13 ) available in Microsoft downloads the right build to slipstream in a Windows XP SP3 CD or a newer build will be available for Windows XP SP3?

    Thank you :)

  2. Rob ^_^ says:

    Keeping this in mind, you might want to uninstall IE7, upgrade to XPSP3 and then install IE7 again so you can uninstall IE7 in the future if need be.

    I will be doing this.

    Don’t forget to backup your search providers, search urls and other settings (security, context menu extensions) as re-installing IE7 (I think) will clobber these settings under the HKCU keys.

  3. Jane [MSFT] says:

    @Bruno,

    Bruno, we don’t support slipstreaming IE7 into Windows XP SP3 image.

    @ Rob ^_^,

    Re-installing IE7 will preserve your user preferences under HKCU except for the Security settings. If you have lowered your URL Zone settings, we’ll revert you to the default URL zone settings so that you are more secure. If you have increased your URL Zone setting from th default, we will preserve the more secure settings.

    Thanks,

    Jane

  4. Khristopher says:

    Too late, I already installed SP3 on top of IE8.

    Ugh this means I have to uninstall SP3 and IE8 and then install SP3 and then IE8. Gross!

    Wish I had known this before.

  5. Classic says:

    Uninstalling the Beta is not an option if you install the high priority security update for Windows XP. – Just Classic.

    Glad I’m using the VM!

    Any news on IE8 Beta 2?  Its kind of frustrating that IE 8 Beta 1 is so buggy, or we’d actually be able to use it day to day and give it a full test.

    Until that horrible link jumping thing is fixed, anchors work, and TD.valign works there is no point in using IE8 Beta 1 other than for initial testing of the bug fixes (and regressions)

  6. Asuka's Blog says:

    最近做上了微软官方社区XP版面的版主后,发现大家问得最多的问题就是XP SP3和IE8,看来我们的技术爱好者对于新技术还是很关心的,今天早上看到了篇IE官方Blog上的文章,说明了当从XP SP2升级到SP3后,IE的版本问题以及相关卸载的问题。

  7. Tanveer Badar says:

    spuninst.exe can help. Although unsupported I guess, but you will be able to uninstall whatever version of IE you had installed.

    Browse to %windir%ie[version here]spuninst directory and run the application from there.

  8. If it’s just a case of uninstalling and reinstalling, the XPSP3 installer could have done this automatically? That would spare users like me from jumping through a series of pointless and confusing hoops.

    It’s nice to have an article explaining what we should do to make it work. But inconveniencing millions of developers due to a dumb service pack installer is lesser treatment than we deserve, imho.

  9. Hmmm… Upgrading to XPSP3 with IE7 looks a bit complicated to me (the description of dependences with old IE6 files). Maybe I’ll move to IE8 Beta first before upgrading Windows.

  10. Ben says:

    Why the hell would they try and have the installer predict what you want? You don’t have to uninstall and reinstall. Unless you want the option to revert back to the previous IE6. Which, anyone who STILL uses IE6 is stupid. No one should still be using that. And if you find the server pack installer such an inconvienence, then don’t install it. God, a world of freaking whiners.

  11. Chris Quirke says:

    Good calls, IMO – the only way to do better would be to update the IE6 uninstall info to SP3, so that uninstalling IE7/8 after installing XP SP3 would revert to a patched-up IE6.  

    I can think of several reasons why I’d not want to do this, i.e. fiddle with uninstall info (malware seeding risk, if malware uses the same mechanism?) or add in code that never was installed, and is therefore not known to work OK on that particular system.

    The only surprise is that XP SP3 excludes IE7.  Does that mean the IE team has to support IE6 for longer, i.e. as long as XP SP3 is a supported baseline?  

    That reminds me of the "IE5.01 supported, IE5.5 not supported" situation that arose because WinME’s support horizon was shorter than that of Win2000, which came with the older IE version baked in.

    BTW: Try the Dilbert site in IE8b1, and see if that "Operation Aborted" error is as gone as you think it is (as tested with IE8b1 on XP SP2 in Standards Mode, set to prompt on active content, with such prompts DECLINED.)

  12. Siddharth says:

    I will try IE 8 after installing SP3 :D

  13. Staicu Ionut says:

    why? WHY?!? you have some sadistic guys there. Everybody knows that IE6 is a MAJOR headache for many (ok, ALL) web developers. In one-two years, after IE8 will be launched, will be THREE headaches on the market! Smart. Way to go, MS!

  14. xorax says:

    Oh no! Please, please, please, replace IE6 with IE7! You guys have done such things many times before. Nobody would complain (though you never care about complains). Finally you have possibility to do relatively RIGHT thing and again you f**k it up!

  15. Grimson says:

    Thanks for this explanation!

    Best Regards,

    Arian!

  16. Juan says:

    This is very bad! I cant beleive a company who has almost 3 browsers in the market, ships its "last upgrade" with the older one??? Why???

    I dont understand. IE6 sucks, well, IE7 too, but its better..

    This is all nonsense

  17. Gis Bun says:

    I’m surprised IE6 isn’t upgraded to IE7 after SP3 [just as if WMP is not at 11]. IE7 is more secure than IE6 and it would push more users to it and eventually the IE6 population would drop – maybe to the point where it wouldn’t be supported.

    Somewhere down the line Microsoft will have to release 3 security updates for IE [one each for IE6, IE7 and IE8].

  18. Ben says:

    Juan et al:

    There are many business that have applications and services that are tied to IE 6 and its quirks. And it takes time to update these applications and services. Which is why many corporations still haven’t fully upgraded to IE7. Microsoft needs to serve these customers and has allowed IE6 to continue even when IE 7 is already out and IE 8 is under development.

  19. Thomas Tallyce says:

    > XPSP3 will continue to ship with IE6

    That’s very disappointing indeed.

    This was a huge opportunity to get rid of a significant install base of IE6. Companies have now had well over a year to migrate Intranet applications to ensure that IE6-specific quirks can be moved out.

  20. AJenbo says:

    If they can’t pull them self together to fix there IE6 bound software why should they be able to find the time to install SP3, IE7 is also a critical update after all :/

  21. Soum says:

    I already installed SP3 on top of IE8. I don’t want to unless IE8 unless future betas would require uninstalling. Would that be required? Please say no!

  22. AlfonsoML says:

    You are joking, right?

    Do you mean seriously that SP3 doesn’t include IE7?

    Man, that’s crazy!

  23. Soum says:

    One more scenario. I have SP2 with IE8 install and I do a windows repair with a SP3-slipstreamed CD? How will that play out? How about SP3 with IE8 in the first place?

  24. Rodrigo says:

    Its a JOKE!!!

    Maybe you could ship IE7 with SP3 BY DEFAULT…

    AND an ***option*** to install IE6…

    so it solves the problems with old and stupid companies systems

  25. Matt says:

    So to put it simply.

    1. You use IE6 – SP3 will apply cumulative security roll-up if you have not already done so, maybe with some additional updates.

    2. You use IE7 – SP3 will "bake it in" and uninstalling back to IE6 will no longer be possible.

    2a. So, if you may want to uninstall IE7, then you must uninstall before applying SP3 and re-install after, but this is an unlikely scenario if you have been using IE7 without issues.

    3. You use IE8 beta – SP3 will "bake in" that version, which is a very bad idea, so uninstalling the beta would be smart.

    It is surprising that MS did not "bury" IE6 with this update, maybe it is reasonable to expect IE6 to become unsupported not long after IE8 is RTM, in order to prevent the need to support 3 versions.

  26. Gis Bun says:

    I do work at a place that still requires IE6 because if we use IE7, IE7 spike to 100% but IE6 doesn’t have the issue. we’re suppost to be migrating off the current system this fall.

    In a bit over a year, at least the IE team won’t have to support IE 5.x as Win 2000 will loose it’s extended support.

  27. Damien says:

    Why not simply update IE6 backup files along with installing SP3 when IE7 is alrdy installed… instead of giving us "customers" a headache ?

  28. Antonio says:

    2 suggestions here:

    Option 1

    When initializing XP SP3, prompt the following:

    Setup has detected that the IE7/8 is installed on this machine. What do you want setup to do?

    (o) Backup IE7/8, uninstall IE7/8, install SP3, and auto re-install IE7/8. (Recommended)

    (  ) Backup IE7/8, uninstall IE7/8, install SP3, patch the IE6 and without re-installing IE7/8.

    (  ) Install SP3 and leaving the uninstallation option not available for IE7/8.

    Option 2

    Take IE7 as a compulsory patch to fix IE6 issues with XP SP3. If any technical users would like to do some testings that required IE6, use the virtual PC instead.

  29. Lyndon says:

    quote:"When we install IE7 on Windows XP SP2, we backup the existing IE6 files in an uninstall directory.  Those IE6 files are the ones that shipped on XPSP2 plus all the security updates you’ve installed while using IE6. Windows XP SP3 contains a newer version of the Internet Explorer 6 files. If you have XPSP3 on your system and uninstall IE7, your system would revert to the backed up (older) version of the IE6 files rather than the newer XPSP3 version."

    WHAT???? why the hell can’t the SP3 installer just update the IE6 backup files? Seriously, why not????

  30. Funny says:

    I think this part is funny.  What a funny way to deal with applicaitons.

    If you must uninstall IE7 after you have upgraded to XPSP3, then you

    have to first uninstall XPSP3, and then uninstall IE7. After this series

    of uninstalls, you will be reverted back to a XPSP2, and a stable

    version of IE6, so feel free to upgrade to XPSP3 again.

    If you install IE7 after you install XPSP3, then you will be able to

    uninstall IE7 at any point and be reverted to the newer IE6 version that

    ships in XPSP3. The restriction on uninstalling only applies to when you

    install a Windows Service Pack release on top of a standalone IE release.

    Keeping this in mind, you might want to uninstall IE7, upgrade to XPSP3

    and then install IE7 again so you can uninstall IE7 in the future if

    need be.

  31. elmatt says:

    NO!

    SP3 was the last _great_ chance to effectively remove the curse of IE6 in the wild.  All you had to do is make it install IE7 by default, with an option to keep IE6 for those who really need it.  That would rid us of all those who just don’t know or care what browser they use (probably most of whats left on IE6).  

    Thanks for providing us with 2 to 3 more years of headaches.  

  32. Ottmar Freudenberger says:

    @Tanveer

    I can only warn to use spuninst for IE7 after SP3 has been installed over Windows XP SP2 with IE7 installed. That will result in a undefined state and "may" raise security issues! See http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/showpost.aspx?postid=3129514&siteid=17 for your reference.

    Bye,

    Freudi

  33. Kurzbeschreibung: Service Pack 3 (SP3) für Windows XP KB936929. Das SP3 enthält alle nach der Freigabe von SP2 und bis zur Fertigstellung des SP3 (am 14.04.2008) veröffentlichten Sicherheitsupdates. Zusätzlich enthalten sind viele optionales Updates,

  34. Jane [MSFT] says:

    @ Soum

    If you installed XPSP3 on top of IE8 Beta1, you will be able to upgrade to future IE8 betas but IE8 will be permanent at that point. You will not be able to uninstall it, even if you uninstall XPSP3.

  35. Jane [MSFT] says:

    @Soum

    Slipstreaming IE into XPSP3 is not supported. If you run Windows repair with XPSP3 slipstreamed, you will get XPSP3 with IE6. You can then install either IE7 or IE8. Either version will be removable after.

    Thanks,

    Jane.

  36. Jane [MSFT] says:

    There is a public Knowledge Base article that provides guidelines and information about repairing WinXP if IE7 is installed. It’s located here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917964

    The principles dicussed in this KB article, also apply to the XPSP3 scenario. We are working to update the article to include this information.

    Thanks,

    Jane

  37. consumer4beta@hotmail.com says:

    1. I applaud MS for not bundling IE7 in XPSP3 and still giving XP users choice. Not that I don’t install IE7 immediately but since XP shipped with IE6, thanks for maintaining that choice. In fact, whenever Vista SP2 ships, please don’t include IE8 in it.

    2. I had IE7 installed on XPSP2. I’ve now installed SP3 from MSDN. Now I want KB889333 and KB933873 but they can’t be installed on XPSP3. Gives an error saying the level of service pack is newer. So I guess MS will update these KBs to install on SP3? KB938127 (MS07-050) –  a critical security KB also has the same issue!!!

    3. Regarding the IE7/8 uninstall issue, aren’t the IE6 files backed up to %Windir%IE7 on XP? So why simply why couldn’t MS update the files backed up in %Windir%IE7 so that it could still be uninstalled?

  38. Fred says:

    @someone: What file version is your VGX.dll?  Check http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS07-050.mspx to see if a fixed version was installed by the SP itself.

  39. consumer4beta@hotmail.com says:

    I have 2 systems. One was XPSP2+fully patched, then installed XPSP3 on that system VGX version is 7.0.6000.20628 (which is the version installed by MS07-050), so it is not SP3 which may have installed that version.

    On the other system, I did a slipstreamed clean install of XPSP3, then installed IE7. Now the version of Vgx.dll is 7.0.5730.13, so obviously MS07-050 is missing but it won’t let me install KB938127 on XPSP3. Same thing for KB889333 and KB933873 but they’re not security KBs.

    I think MS should do a IE7 SP1 alongside XPSP3 so any such issues are eliminated. The cumulative security updates only service a certain set of files, not all IE files.

  40. Two questions…

    1.) At what hour do patches on Windows Update become available on ‘Patch Tuesday’? My time zone is Eastern (-0500).

    2.) Has the maximum number of cookies after last year’s update changed for IE8? I presume no though I figure why not ask for a clarification.

    Thanks!

  41. ¡Albricias y zapatetas! Ya es oficial. Tras un retraso de una semana sobre la fecha anunciada, la versión

  42. Tester says:

    Dear IETeam,

    Please release a new build of IE7 with the latest security updates included. If you install IE7 (7.0.5730.13) on XP SP3, then try to install IE7-WindowsXP-KB938127-x86-ENU.exe, it will fail and not update VGX.dll(7.0.5730.13 came with IE7’s installer) to the version included in the KB938127 security update(7.0.6000.20628), leaving plenty of users vulnerable.

    Or release a revised version of IE7-WindowsXP-KB938127-x86-ENU.exe that would actually install on XP SP3.

  43. beqiraj.net says:

    Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) is now available

  44. beqiraj.net says:

    Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) und Internet Explorer Probleme

  45. Ali Ebrahim says:

    I’ll probably go straight to SP3 without uninstalling IE7 first. I can’t imagine any scenario where I’d want to downgrade to IE6 again.

    It’s disappointing that you didn’t default SP3 to install with IE7, but I understand why you didn’t do that.

    As far as SP3 goes, I’m in no hurry. I’ll wait it out for a couple weeks more or until Windows Update pushes it out to me. I don’t want to be one of the early adopters that get burned when some unknown issue is discovered.

    These days I am pretty wary of anything Microsoft releases. Vista was (and still is) a disaster. It’s way slower than XP and the computer is generally more complicated to use. I don’t know how either of those things are a step forward.

  46. When SP3 is released I will not be supporting/testing for IE 6 anymore.. this is ridicules! Why would I want to keep IE 6?!

    It would be so nice if SP3 just shipped IE 7 with it..

    This is a sad day for the webdeveloper community.

    Actually no I will not only not test for it I will also not support it and block it.. stupid IE 6!

  47. Sam says:

    Even I had ppl telling me on my blog about the unistalling of IE7 before going on to install service pack3

  48. Vielen Dank für die ausführliche Antwort—

    Sie hat für mich aber den Nachteil, dass meine englischen Kenntnisse nicht ausreichen, um eine Übersetzumg vorzunehmen.

    Können Sie einem Methusalem (82) helfen?

    Danke.

    JH

  49. Pete Hurst says:

    If IE7 had been part of SP3, I would have been so happy.

    What am I doing at work today? Fixing broken IE6 behaviour. I am typing this from a Virtual PC running IE6, just so I can test and eliminate these bugs.

    I am very much for discontinuing support for IE6 but I don’t think we’re quite ready here since the sites I am building are for corporate users who are more likely to still be stuck in the past.

    IE6 IS A SECURITY HAZARD. I don’t see why people are still allowed to use it!

  50. KB938127 says:

    I want to repeat what has been commented by Tester on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:05 PM:

    Dear IETeam,

    Please release a new build of IE7 with the latest security updates included. If you install IE7 (7.0.5730.13) on XP SP3, then try to install IE7-WindowsXP-KB938127-x86-ENU.exe, it will fail and not update VGX.dll(7.0.5730.13 came with IE7’s installer) to the version included in the KB938127 security update(7.0.6000.20628), leaving plenty of users vulnerable.

    Or release a revised version of IE7-WindowsXP-KB938127-x86-ENU.exe that would actually install on XP SP3.

    This is critical as if users use the current IE7 installation source he’ll be exposed to critical vulnerability at first and even can’t get patched after updated.

  51. Steve says:

    Ok whats the deal with OPACITY in IE8? Is it in?, out? or what?

    https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=331735

    You can’t just drop a feature from the browser without some sort of explanation as to why.

    Not only that. If you are going to drop it thats fine but LEAVE the OPACITY at 100%!

  52. Ed says:

    I see zero issues here, use Firefox

  53. wai says:

    It is possible to release a version of SP3 with IE7 bundled, it is terrible to install IE7 afterward when I got N pc

  54. Marco says:

    mmm i dont think so, just yesterday i installed sp3 and i still have internet explorer 6

  55. Jane [MSFT] says:

    @KB938127

    We are aware of the issue that KB938127 does not install on XPSP3. Microsoft is working on repacking this update to install on XPSP3. We will let you know as soon as the issue’s been resolved.

    Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

    Jane.

  56. Microsoft has warned users updating to Windows XP SP3 (Service Pack 3)  that they won't be able

  57. N S says:

    That’s why Firefox is better. And Linux freeware OS is even much better.. People/Companies didn’t have to loose hundreds of thousands of dollars after Vista and then to hear Microsoft to announce its a complete failure.

    When I setup security on friends/families’ computers, I tell them not to use IE at all and completely disallow everyone to use IE from Group policy.

  58. Chris says:

    Unlike some of the comments here, I’d just like to take a moment to thank Microsoft for not forcing IE 7 onto SP 3 users. IE 6 is the most popular browser used by visitors to my site (38%, vs 29% for 7) so it’s good to hear that I’ll still be able to develop and test against 6 when I update to SP 3.

    I have IE 7 installed in VMware, so I’m still testing there, however I’m running 6 on my "main system" because it’s what most of my visitors are using. Thanks again for making things easier on developers by keeping 6 around.

  59. Mike says:

    "There are many business that have applications and services that are tied to IE 6 and its quirks. And it takes time to update these applications and services. Which is why many corporations still haven’t fully upgraded to IE7. Microsoft needs to serve these customers and has allowed IE6 to continue even when IE 7 is already out and IE 8 is under development."

    Amen. And it’s not just the businesses who are paying Microsoft for support, but also governments, whose projects move very slowly and are tied to tax dollars for funding – which means not having an infinite budget to blow on platform migration, especially once commitments have been made – commitments which require strict accounting and no sudden changes, by law. It’s easy for some junior commercial web developer in a VC-funded private business to say "IE6 sucks" and "please please please replace IE6 with IE7", but such an upgrade out in the real world, especially in government, would interrupt critical, even world economy-affecting, browser-based services for millions of people. I recently worked on a massive, multi-year, IE6-based software project for a major city, and the lifecycle of each version of the software from planning to deployment took 9 months plus. At any one time we would be rolling out version X in 10 agencies (thousands of desktops in each agency) and version Y in 20 others, many of which have computers that can barely run Windows, and planning another release and developing another. It was like pulling teeth to get them to even commit to an XP+IE6 platform however-many years ago. Yes we did have migration strategies, but if you had any experience with these things you’d know it’s never so simple as it’s supposed to be, and priorities aren’t always under the developer’s control. Every little change, even seemingly innocuous system updates, would sometimes have massive ramifications; a complete browser change with anything less than 2-3 years’ notice (an it’d take about that long just to get funding to *talk* about it) was completely out of the question. So those of you crying that IE6 should simply be killed across the board in a forced manner need to count your blessings and just be glad you’ve got your work cut out for you.

  60. Joel says:

    Wow. I can’t believe the amount of whining in these comments!

    If you installed a Beta, you need to accept possible technical headaches (like not being able to uninstall IE8 beta in this case). You took on installing a possibly unstable and problematic release – deal with it!

    And second of all, what gives all of you whiners the right to demand other users’ choices be revoked? If someone wants to stick with IE6 for whatever reason, that’s their prerogative. As stated in the explanation, SP3 will apply security patches to IE6 – leaving it not the gaping security sore you all make it out to be.

    For everyone else involved in normal discussion, I apologize for the rant.

  61. Windows XP SP3 is now available

  62. george says:

    It’s really disappointing to see that IE7 isn’t installed with SP3.. why do you still support it? I’ve been a web developer for more than 10 years and IE6 is still makes me use old techniques – and limiting use of more advanced CSS, etc… Seriously, instead of spending time improving our sites we spend time fixing it for IE6 :(

    Please… let’s get rid of this archaic (insert your favorite word here)..

  63. Lenen says:

    I don’t agree, there are a lot of computers that still run Windows 98 (Yeah, I know, they shouldn’t). And they run perfectly with IE6, not with IE8.

  64. Amanpreet Singh says:

    I think u guys should have released IE7 with SP3. At least it would have done less harm to businesses running on IE6 than Windows Vista did to businesses running on XP.

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  66. Stefan says:

    "Whenever I see a post on the IE Blog that has a title like IE and XP SP 3 I hope to see "oh, and IE 6 users will be upgraded". How much pain would be relieved when IE 6 usage is minimal?" from Ajaxian

  67. schmilblick says:

    So Microsoft want to stop supporting Windows XP in a near future, but KEEP SHIPPING IE6 that came before XP?! Come on people IE6 is 7 years old, force users to upgrade NOW.

  68. ArcticPen says:

    Perhaps, not including any IE browser and offering it as an update or download after SP3 is installed might have been a  nice option?

    that way noone is forced to remove or change their current browser installation.

    I have a few machines that run IE6 and msore so IE7…with a fully patched and up-2-date XP SP2 whic has been running stable for over a year now.

    The browser should definitely be stand alone to any major release, and especially when the browser is as old as it is.

  69. Howard says:

    When it comes to IE 6 and IE 7 in windows xp sp3 and business’s and government entities, it comes

    down to contracts between Microsoft and the one contracted with! If you try to force the entity you contracted with to move to IE7 or later you must include a clause of release from that contract.

    Microsoft isn’t about to do that! Plain and simple. It’s like credit card companies that want to raise your fixed interest rate under contract. You the credit card holder can opt out of the contract and cancel the card (You still have to  pay the debit). So, IE 6 will

    be around for a while

  70. sonicdoommario says:

    My idea for this was to allow an option to install IE7 when going to SP3. There would be a screen like "Your Internet Explorer is out of date!" and then show the features of IE7 and such, with an option to install it (unchecked of corse).

  71. goodone says:

    Interesting, Microsoft did it again: now it IS completely ridiculous to slipstream SP3 to Windows XP installation if you intend using IE7 (which is rather natural if you are not government or other slowly-stepping entity, and most of downloaders will not be) because you will still have to install IE7 critical updates afterwards (and keep track of those), even thou SP3 does include those updates in it (which would install if u installed IE7 on SP2, and then do the SP3 installation).

    It just doesn’t stop to amaze me how you guys make the same mistakes over and over again, even after a year of testing beta versions of this so-much-overdue product… what have you been doing all that time?

  72. While the installation of the XP SP3 upgrade has went well for me and it should for most users. A service

  73. Lancelot says:

    I can’t believe all the people here bashing IE6 users – everyone knows, if they don’t have their head in the sand, that the last two "IE" releases suck – as usual MS writes code that uses resources like they’re the only one needing them – If the people here really understood the current state of data centers they’d know that IE6 still allows other programs to run efficiently – It’s not by choice, it’s required – the only other solution, which is becoming very common, is to move to a great browser, "Firefox".. I know all these MS lovers probably don’t know a thing about Opera & their great products & should check it out..

  74. Se avete scelto di installare Internet Explorer 7, il browser di Microsoft non risulterà più disinstallabile dopo l’applicazione del Service Pack 3 per Windows XP, rilasciato pubblicamente poche ore fa. Lo spiega Jane Maliouta, manager del coloss…

  75. Endless Reboot Warning!

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/

    If you have an AMD chip! Be very weary that you may be about to send your PC into useless mode.

    I would well advise you to not install this patch until the patch itself has been fixed.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/

  76. Mike Olson says:

    I’m a software pro, and I find this issue shocking behavior from what should be the best software team in the world.

    When I install a new version of software, I make sure to remove all vestiges of the old (both files and registry).  I want my machine to run lean and clean.

    I installed SP3, unaware of this issue with IE7.  Had I known, I would never have installed it, period.  Now I am told that is should 1)uninstall SP3, 2) uninstall IE7, 3) reinstall SP3, 4) reinstall IE7?

    What is this, a circus act?  Totally unprofessional, especially if you are aware that most uninstalls do not do a complete job of it.

    When IE8 comes out, there had better be a fix for this.  I do not want 2 versions of the same software on my computer.

    The best minds in the industry couldn’t come up with sleek solution to this?  Unconscionable…

  77. The XP SP3 installation upgrades have worked well for me on three systems and they should for most users

  78. Mike Olson (aka AntsyProgrammer) says:

    You’re missing the point, Harry.  This upgrade came to me from Windows Update as a pop-up.  I choose the "notify me" option there, as I like to have some control.  I see a Service Pack is "recommended", I readily install it, trusting Microsoft that it’s ready for prime-time.  If I had instead chosen the auto-install option of Windows Update, as many do, sorry, there is no "read all pre-requisites" option.  "Locking IE7 in" is a SNAFU, i am incredulous that Microsoft took this appoach.  I have 30 years in the industry, and don’t say such things lightly.

    The SP3 install was lengthy.  I have a hard time trusting the uninstall to totally undo it. Most uninstalls are not quite as "clean" as they should be, especially with Registry issues.

    Asking for 2 uninstalls and 2 reinstalls to fix the problem is asking for trouble, period.

  79. Rene Thompson says:

    Do not have Windows Internet explorer Icon on desktop in order to click on to the internet. Also not on the start panel

  80. It looks like Microsoft’s warning that you can’t uninstall IE7 after you install Windows XP SP3 may apply conversely as well. If you do a fresh install of Windows XP SP3, the IE7 insta …

  81. ackerberg says:

    I was thinking of uninstalling IE7 before the SP3 install and was wondering if all my favorites, etc. would remain in the remaining IE6. Where are these favorites and preferences stored for IE7 so they can be saved?

  82. Steven says:

    Thanks for warning me AFTER I upgraded.

  83. In case it wasn’t apparent before, I’m really happy that Microsoft continue to support all of us who choose to remain on XP. The improvements SP3 makes to XP in terms of security, stability and reliability can only be praised and welcomed. Apart from any bugs, naturally.

    I understand the decision to keep IE6 if that’s all the user has. After all, they’ve probably been prompted about IE7 and they chose against installing it. Or their administrator chose against it. So you’re just respecting a choice they or their company has already made.

    Having said all that, I would be more pleased if we didn’t need a 700-word essay explaining 5 different ways to install XPSP3. I should just install it and it should just work without me worrying about nasty surprises down the line. Developers are busy enough (and worried enough!) already.

    Each inconvenience pushes us towards other platforms. Conversely, each convenience pulls us back to yours. The latter must outweigh the former if we’re to use and support your products. Such as making websites which work in 3 versions of IE rather than just 1 or 2…or even none at all.

  84. Gis Bun says:

    To N S: "People/Companies didn’t have to loose hundreds of thousands of dollars after Vista and then to hear Microsoft to announce its a complete failure." That’s new to me. What newspaper or reputable site [be specific]? Apple’s web site doesn’t count. :-) It’s suicidal for any company to mention that their current product is a failure.

    To All: As someone mention already, if you are using a beta version on your only PC, good luck. Betas will contain plenty bugs and may crash.

    At this point, if you are at IE7 and have no issues, why would you go back to the less-secure IE6? If you have issues with IE7, why is it still installed?

  85. Mike Olson says:

    Just wondering– what the European monopolist-regulators might think of Microsoft "locking in" it’s own browser, no matter the reason?

  86. IEBlog says:

    Hi all, Last week, I blogged about installing Windows XP SP3 and how it affects different versions of

  87. Frank says:

    @MikeOlson: Somehow i doubt the EU is reading this blog, and if they were, they probably wonder what you’re talking about.  this post has nothing to do with "locking in" anything, since it doesn’t affect firefox,opera,safari, etc.

  88. GRHS  SAIRUS  BEOF  SRAAWGJX  GARY  KAWKA OSACBXSYSXZ   QASDGYS DKHYG

  89. Jane [MSFT] says:

    @ackerberg

    IE stores user preferences in HKCU registry location: HKEY_CURRENT_USER->Software->Microsoft->Internet Explorer. These settings are retained after IE7 or IE8 Beta1 is uninstalled.

    If you want to backup your settings, you can export Favorites, Feeds and cookies using File->Import/Export feature.

    Thanks,

    Jane.

  90. beqiraj.net says:

    Installing Branded IE7 on Windows XP Service Pack 3

  91. Killer B says:

    I’m thinking the real reason why IE7 and Media Player 11 are not included with SP3 is because it breaks DOS/NDIS based unattended installs.  IE7/MP11 have a lot of long file name (particularly the .mui files) that just don’t play nice with DOS.

    Although I lead the company I work for to switch to WinPE instead of DOS-based solutions, others may not have done the same…

  92. A few weeks sick, a virus caught me… and see what's happening! Microsoft releases SP3 for Windows

  93. Mackque says:

    After installing sp3 I would like to clear out all the backup files. What folder/directory and files are ok to delete. I know some $* folders can be removed, but which ones? I feel there should be a update cleanup wizard tool  available with various options to clean out antiquated files. Can anyone be a help here?

    I’m happy with my system, don’t want to roll back/uninstall & want my hard drive space back.

    Info: stable xpsp3 mp11 ie7

  94. Goedkoop lenen says:

    Mackque, why don’t you let these backup files where they are. I don’t really have problems with them..

    If you want to them because of the long list in the software map, you can easily hide them with a radio button at the top.

  95. klaus says:

    How can be SP3 uninstalled???..in control panel add/remove , under the Main SP3 package  I have written "impossible to remove the update"…no button "unistall" availablke whatsoever…

  96. Dom says:

    Don’t install IE8 beta if you are using Sophos Anti-Virus on your machine. Every time the anti virus updated, my computer would become totally unuseable and I would have to switch it off using the power button and turn it on again. Completely useless so I’ve switched back to IE7. In any case, Opera is better than IE7 and IE8!

  97. Dom says:

    Don’t install IE8 beta if you are using Sophos Anti-Virus on your machine. Every time the anti virus updated, my computer would become totally unuseable and I would have to switch it off using the power button and turn it on again. Completely useless so I’ve switched back to IE7. In any case, Opera is better than IE7 and IE8!

  98. Fiendish says:

    Microsoft blows, as always.  You guys are saying that in order to uninstall IE7 I have to install SP3 first, then IE7, but when I do this, IE7 won’t install.  After installing SP3, I can’t even install WMP11 .  Wait, they didn’t even include WMP11 in the SP3 release?  How frackin stupid is microsoft?

  99. Fiendish says:

    The directory where SP3 unpackaged is c:windowsSoftwareDistributionDownload

  100. Fiendish says:

    Anyone still running windows 98 is asking, no, begging for trouble.

    In my opinion, after doing 3 failed attempts of installing 3 different downloads of SP3, all obtained from a different download link, and all 3 coming from microsoft website, I’ve concluded that (atleast for LAPTOPS) you are better off staying with SP2 with all critical updates and IE7/WMP11.  Why is microsoft wasting my time with installing uninstalling installing uninstalling installing uninstalling ok install this, ok uninstall that…. ok inorder for this to work, uninstall this and that, and then reinstall both.  WTF!!!  Would be nice if I can just install it ONE time and be done with it.  But I guess, coming from Microsoft, that would be to frackin easy, wouldn’t it?  Why make it simple and easy when you can waste millions of ppls time tryint to figure out the best frackin route to instlaling  a service pack….. how complex to an uncomplex reality.

    FU MS

  101. Fiendish says:

    Ok, nevermind — I found an SP3 (not sure if it came directly from Microsoft or not) but it did work (finally)  .. I will have to run virus scan on it.

  102. Matt says:

    If we assume that this is the last service pack for Windows XP, is it possible to infer an end-of-life date for IE6?  I really can’t figure out what’s going on at the official Support Lifecycle site (http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifesupsps/#Internet_Explorer), but it looks like it might not be until May of 2013.  )-:

  103. Jacob says:

    Hello Jane,

    Wondered if you can help here.

    After upgrading to XP SP3, I cannot add to favorites.

    What to do?

    Thanks,

    Jacob

  104. Y Me says:

    Good old juvenile comments from "Ed" and "Dom". Makes you wonder if those two actually have a life or just get a chuckle about these issues.

    May I remind "Ed" that the "13" in 2.0.0.13 means there has been 13 updates [a.k.a. group of vulnerabilities] since version 2 came out.

    May I remind "Dom" that if Opera is so good, why is it that only Safari has a smaller market share than Opera for the major browsers!

  105. Zeb says:

    Hi, firstly i am not a computer whizz (I know, I can hear the groans!); and i am not sure whether i am on the right blog, but it’s the only one that i have found with a similar problem to what i am having with my computer.  I have a Packard Bell laptop which is 18 months old.  Everything was running smoothly with it until i downloaded some windows updates along with the XPSP3.  However, now i cannot connect to the internet: i have email and messenger and that’s it.  In order to get the internet (i use IE7) I had to do a system restore to an earlier time before the updates.  Obviously i want my computer to be as protected as possible, but without the hassle of this new update! Is it the XPSP3 update that is causing this problem or something else.  Sorry if this has already been discussed… oh and if it has an bearing on the matter, i live in the UK.  Thanks in advance for any help.

  106. Geld Lenen says:

    You’d better ask help on a computer forum. You can always uninstall the update, probably that will fix your issue.

  107. vstoklosa says:

    I installed SVP 3 on an XP Home system (my boss’s HP Pavillion laptop). Now his IE 7 does not work. It can only see his home page, but no other pages. We get a standard IE error when we try any other page. Is this a fix? I assume I can just delete the SVP 3 upgrade, am going to his house this afternoon. I hope that restores it to the prior system.

  108. vcsjones says:

    Perhaps it's just me, or maybe I missed something. I was a little excited about Service Pack 3, particularly

  109. IEBlog says:

    I am here to tell you how to upgrade to IE8 Beta 2. IE8 Beta 2 system requirements are the same as IE8

  110. 过去的一周大家谈论的焦点之一就是新发布的 IE 8 Beta 2 浏览器。关于 IE 8 Beta 2,驱动之家、cnBeta 等很多网站都转载了来自 MSDN IE Blog 八月份的一则声明,《 Windows

  111. IEBlog says:

    Hello all, Just like for previous beta releases, I am going to guide you through the upgrade steps for

  112. こんにちは。五寳です。 今朝のアナウンスに引き続き、 IEBlog と リリース ノート から、RC1 を利用するにあたっての重要なポイントをまとめました。 インストールにあたっての重要な変更点のまとめ

  113. Обновление до IE8 RC1 Вот и вышел Internet Explorer RC1. Перед тем, как приступить к установке, рекомендую

  114. IEInternals says:

    We received an interesting question in yesterday’s IE Expert Zone chat : now that Vista SP2 is out ,

  115. Вещий says:

    Добрый день. Прошу прощения за беспокойство и повторы.

    Какое это великое счастье – ЖИТЬ,

    СУЩЕСТВОВАТЬ в мире, ДЫШАТЬ, ВИДЕТЬ небо, воду, солнце!            (И. Бунин)

    Вот проблема. ВАШЕ мнение и как быть?

    РИСК собою – дело личное, РИСК Термоядерного ИСПЕПЕЛЕНИЯ Землян – ПРЕСТУПЛЕНИЕ.

    "Некому будет судить", – это чудовищный ЦИНИЗМ отца атомной бомбы Оппенгеймера,

    признание им ГИБЕЛИ всех ЛЮДЕЙ от ЯДЕРНОГО маразма, под стать и его ПАЛАЧЕСКИЙ

    морализм: "Я – СМЕРТЬ, великий разрушитель МИРОВ, несущий ГИБЕЛЬ всему ЖИВОМУ".

    Не атом, УЖАСЕН наш пофигизм: ЖЕРТВЫ Хиросимы, Нагасаки, АЭС Чернобыля, Японии.

    Вот и ФАТАЛЬНО безответственные ОТЦЫ Большого Взрыва рискуют КРЕМАЦИЕЙ Планеты.

    Любой взрыв – СТИХИЯ. Цена СТИХИИ Большого Взрыва – термоядерный ХОЛОКОСТ МИРА.

    Уму непостижимо! Ядерщики зная, ДОПУСКАЮТ РИСК Термоядерной КАЗНИ Человечества.

    Похоже, коллайдерно-термоядерные игры ВЫЖГЛИ иные МИРЫ. Ау! Вселенная! МЫ ОДНИ.

    Игнорируя оппонентов и УГРОЗЫ 96% ТЕМНОЙ энергии и материи от всего Мироздания

    (всех звезд и Земли осталось 4%), Ядерщики Большого адронного коллайдера ЦЕРНа

    и др. творят ТЕРМОЯДЕРНОЕ безумие: БОЛЬШОЙ ВЗРЫВ Земли (ОАЗИС Жизни Вселенной).

    Нет ПОНАРОШКУ Большого Взрыва – ВЗРЫВ коллайдера и МИР ИСЧЕЗНЕТ. Разум! Где ты?

    Теватрон США потряс: поправ мощь коллайдера струи частиц ТЬМЫ вырвались НАРУЖУ.

    Чёрные дыры? Страпельки? Монополи? Аннигиляцию? Большой Взрыв? Какой КАТАКЛИЗМ

    РАЗВЕРЗНУТ ради "Нобелевки" ШЕФЫ коллайдеров ТЕРМОЯДЕРНОЙ провокацией 96% ТЬМЫ?

    Никакие дела ядерщиков не стоят Землеубийства. Символичны ПРОВАЛЫ безопасности

    "от ДУРАКА" в ядерной энергетике до булочной аварии ЦЕРН – "всё под контролем".

    Риск НЕБЫТИЯ от ПРОВОКАЦИЙ Большого Взрыва РЕАЛЬНЕЙ явления Жизни во Вселенной.

    Выходит, чем вероятней ЖИЗНЬ, тем верней наше НЕБЫТИЕ от коллайдерной АГРЕССИИ.

    Не одними коллайдерами движима НАУКА Мироздания. Следует, оградив ядерщиков от

    ПРЕСТУПНОГО риска, развить НЕОПАСНЫЙ поиск ИСТИНЫ, изучая всеобъемлющий КОСМОС.

    ФАНАТИКИ Большого Взрыва РИСКУЮТ самым главным Правом Землян – Правом на ЖИЗНЬ.

    Видимо, ГОРДЫНЯ  ума ядерщиков подавила инстинкт самосохранения, УБИЛА совесть.

    Чтобы отвратить коллайдерно-термоядерное сожжение ВСЕХ НАС – ПРОТЕСТУЙТЕ! Люди!

    Спросите себя: "Если не Я, то кто?" Очнитесь же! Проявив волю, одолевая апатию,

    свершите ПОСТУПОК, разошлите СВОЙ или этот ТЕКСТ и возобладает торжество ЖИЗНИ!

    P.S.

    Прошу, рассылайте, есть надежда – уже ликвидирован опасный коллайдер Теватрон.

    Вещий.

  116. Вещий says:

    Добрый день. Прошу прощения за беспокойство и повторы.

    Какое это великое счастье – ЖИТЬ,

    СУЩЕСТВОВАТЬ в мире, ДЫШАТЬ, ВИДЕТЬ небо, воду, солнце!            (И. Бунин)

    Вот проблема. ВАШЕ мнение и как быть?

    РИСК собою – дело личное, РИСК Термоядерного ИСПЕПЕЛЕНИЯ Землян – ПРЕСТУПЛЕНИЕ.

    "Некому будет судить", – это чудовищный ЦИНИЗМ отца атомной бомбы Оппенгеймера,

    признание им ГИБЕЛИ всех ЛЮДЕЙ от ЯДЕРНОГО маразма, под стать и его ПАЛАЧЕСКИЙ

    морализм: "Я – СМЕРТЬ, великий разрушитель МИРОВ, несущий ГИБЕЛЬ всему ЖИВОМУ".

    Не атом, УЖАСЕН наш пофигизм: ЖЕРТВЫ Хиросимы, Нагасаки, АЭС Чернобыля, Японии.

    Вот и ФАТАЛЬНО безответственные ОТЦЫ Большого Взрыва рискуют КРЕМАЦИЕЙ Планеты.

    Любой взрыв – СТИХИЯ. Цена СТИХИИ Большого Взрыва – термоядерный ХОЛОКОСТ МИРА.

    Уму непостижимо! Ядерщики зная, ДОПУСКАЮТ РИСК Термоядерной КАЗНИ Человечества.

    Похоже, коллайдерно-термоядерные игры ВЫЖГЛИ иные МИРЫ. Ау! Вселенная! МЫ ОДНИ.

    Игнорируя оппонентов и УГРОЗЫ 96% ТЕМНОЙ энергии и материи от всего Мироздания

    (всех звезд и Земли осталось 4%), Ядерщики Большого адронного коллайдера ЦЕРНа

    и др. творят ТЕРМОЯДЕРНОЕ безумие: БОЛЬШОЙ ВЗРЫВ Земли (ОАЗИС Жизни Вселенной).

    Нет ПОНАРОШКУ Большого Взрыва – ВЗРЫВ коллайдера и МИР ИСЧЕЗНЕТ. Разум! Где ты?

    Теватрон США потряс: поправ мощь коллайдера струи частиц ТЬМЫ вырвались НАРУЖУ.

    Чёрные дыры? Страпельки? Монополи? Аннигиляцию? Большой Взрыв? Какой КАТАКЛИЗМ

    РАЗВЕРЗНУТ ради "Нобелевки" ШЕФЫ коллайдеров ТЕРМОЯДЕРНОЙ провокацией 96% ТЬМЫ?

    Никакие дела ядерщиков не стоят Землеубийства. Символичны ПРОВАЛЫ безопасности

    "от ДУРАКА" в ядерной энергетике до булочной аварии ЦЕРН – "всё под контролем".

    Риск НЕБЫТИЯ от ПРОВОКАЦИЙ Большого Взрыва РЕАЛЬНЕЙ явления Жизни во Вселенной.

    Выходит, чем вероятней ЖИЗНЬ, тем верней наше НЕБЫТИЕ от коллайдерной АГРЕССИИ.

    Не одними коллайдерами движима НАУКА Мироздания. Следует, оградив ядерщиков от

    ПРЕСТУПНОГО риска, развить НЕОПАСНЫЙ поиск ИСТИНЫ, изучая всеобъемлющий КОСМОС.

    ФАНАТИКИ Большого Взрыва РИСКУЮТ самым главным Правом Землян – Правом на ЖИЗНЬ.

    Видимо, ГОРДЫНЯ  ума ядерщиков подавила инстинкт самосохранения, УБИЛА совесть.

    Чтобы отвратить коллайдерно-термоядерное сожжение ВСЕХ НАС – ПРОТЕСТУЙТЕ! Люди!

    Спросите себя: "Если не Я, то кто?" Очнитесь же! Проявив волю, одолевая апатию,

    свершите ПОСТУПОК, разошлите СВОЙ или этот ТЕКСТ и возобладает торжество ЖИЗНИ!

    P.S.

    Прошу, рассылайте, есть надежда – уже ликвидирован опасный коллайдер Теватрон.

    Вещий.