IE8 Beta Expert Zone Chats

After a successful run with the IE7 beta, we’re bringing back our monthly online Expert Zone Chats with members of the IE team. The first is this Thursday, March 20th at 10:00 PDT/17:00 UTC. These chats are a great opportunity to have your questions answered and hear from members of the IE product team.  In case you miss the chat, a transcript will be published afterward and available online.

As we saw with the IE7 beta, these chats are a lot of fun and we hope you can join us online.

Kristen Kibble
Program Manager

Comments (33)

  1. Curious says:

    Will IE8 have SVG support?

    What about native MathML?

  2. slow says:

    ie8, regardless of emulate mode, seems to totally freeze when resizing window while on this page.

    system is 3 ghz q6600 on windows 2003.

  3. hAl says:

    SVG is unnescesary with already having PNG support. No browser has full support for it anyways so it is just a possible compatiblity mess.

    But how about JPEG XR/HD Photo format support ? It is a standard originating from Microsoft so it should be supported.

    And of course some improved search within the webpage and a spelling checker wouldn’t be so bad.

  4. andrisp says:


    A little bit offtopic:

    I recently published a bug report on microsoft.public.internetexplorer.beta, as one of the articles in this blog suggested if I want to report a bug. The problem is that now I can’t find anymore IE8 chanel (or how you call it?) on to see is this bug added to official bug list or not.

    I believe there is reason for that, but bug reporting is realy made very hard. 🙁



    PS. Sorry for language if anything. Not my native.

  5. Stifu says:


    "SVG is unnescesary with already having PNG support."

    What? That’s totally unrelated. PNG is just an image format, SVG is so much more, and is vector-based. I don’t know how you can compare the 2 of them…

    The fact no browser has full support for it is also meaningless. No browser has full support for CSS 2.1 either, does that make its support useless too? Of course, SVG implementations in browsers currently need a lot of work, but you gotta start somewhere. You can’t make it complete and perfect in a blink.

    If IE waits for competitors to have a nearly perfect SVG support, then they’ll have a lot to catch up.

    Anyway, yeah, it’d be nice to hear about SVG support in IE. Will there be the slightest native SVG support in IE8? If not, do you plan to implement it later, like in IE9?

  6. arjan says:

    HD Photo has been announced by Microsoft and the Joint Photographic Experts Group to be under consideration. So still not a standard. I’d prefer if the IE team will focus on CSS 2.1 and beyond, like they do now. This will help everyone much more then to introduce new standards. So keep up the good work!

  7. tsr says:

    Registry bug :

    Each time IE7 is opened, the value of the "Width" entry in registry key

    HKU*user*SoftwareMicrosoftInternet ExplorerLinksExplorer

    automatically increments by 1 !!

    Which shows effectively by the pinned Favorite Center width being wider each time

    IE7 is closed and reopened, please fix this !


    Please make IE7 remember the previous Pin status after the FAVORITE

    CENTER is closed.

    Each time the favorite center is closed then reopen, it will be back to

    non-pined state regardless if it was pinned before or not.

    Many users and me included would prefer that the Pin status would be remembered.

  8. Gero says:

    Will there be a W3C support in the finished version?

  9. AJenbo says:

    andrisp: i think they might open for bugs once they considere the rendere preaty much done. They probably just didn’t want to be flooded from the start 🙂

    tsr: to close the favorit center you have to unpin it as the hole point of pinning it is to keep it open always.

    Gero: define W3C support.

  10. Gero says:

    Well the IE8 does not pass the Acid2 test yet?

  11. Brandon says:

    First Question for the IE8 Technical Chat on Thursday.

    Where the "insert rude word here" is the "insert another rude word here" damn PUBLIC BUG TRACKING!!!!

    If the answer is anything other than "We’ve opened it up to everyone", then the "chat" is OVER.

    Sick n Tired of the runaround!


  12. Zach says:


    Not if I post the question first! Although my question would be a double.

    1.a When will the public bug tracking be available to EVERYONE in the public.

    1.b Can we get some written level of commitment to keep it open PERMANENTLY! Opening it serves no purpose if there is any intention to shut it down.

    but you are right on the answer.  if the answers aren’t satisfactory then there is no point in continuing the chat.

    We want accountability and transparency and we want it yesterday.

  13. Gero says:

    Sorry I mean the Acid 3 test…;)

  14. John says:

    @Gero: Show me a browser that does 😉

  15. Pete L says:


    "The world’s best browser. Now on Windows, too."

    Safari 3.1 for Windows and Mac is out!

    For those waiting on the IE team to be more open with the community, wait no longer! The WebKit team would love to provide public bug tracking for you…. in fact they do already!  Thus if you find a bug, you can file a report!  What a novel idea!

    Sure beats hoping that the IE team will magically find it first!

  16. I look forward to the chat!

    *Smacks Hal with a trout.*

  17. Alfonso says:

    It really has no sense to try to track down and create a testcase and then report it (if at all possible in that joke of semi-private Connect site) to see it later just closed down and all the bug reports sent to the bin like it did happen with IE7.

    I’m not gonna do your dirty job just to get nothing in return. Unless the commitment to set it the Connect site as a permanent way to track the IE bugs I don’t think that you will get too much love after the way that you fooled us with IE7.

  18. Trevor says:

    @Alfonzo "I’m not gonna do your dirty job just to get nothing in return"

    You’ve nailed the entire community sentiment in one sentence!  We are tired of this cr@p.  Open a public bug tracking site (fully, totally, 100% open to everyone, that is the meaning of public) so that we can file and track bugs in IE.

    As a developer I currently have ZERO interest in filing a bug report in Connect (even if I could! (cause I can’t!)) because until MS says that they are going to keep it open, I know that I would spend hours filing reports, only to have them thrown out the second IE8 ships.


  19. Gero says:

    Please fix the Adobe Flash Player issue.

  20. Theresa says:

    please fix the IE bug tracking database i still can not submit any bugs

  21. Huy Tran says:

    After I uninstall IE7 then install IE8. Everything has been installed successfully. Then I restart my computer like the required alert message. An error message box displayed: Internet Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience. Click the more information, the Error signature is: AppName: iexplore.exe, AppVer: 8.0.6001.17184. ModName: comctl32.dll. ModVer: 6.0.2900.2982. Offset: 00082472.

    The terrible problem is: I can not back to the IE7.

    Please help,

  22. I appreciate what is being done with standards compliance and by appearances are headed in the right direction but there are other meaningful concerns with regarding to using IE8.

    Favorites for example should be stored using the Windows RSS Platform providing many managability benefits. One benefit would allow loading and unloading nodes on demand.

    Let’s say a node named ASP.NET Development (which equates to a folder) leaving all the other stuff behind when not needed or having a configuration option to unload other nodes when reloading a new node which would greatly improcve performance.

    Why should persons have to also load the other 64,535 Favorites when wanting to reference a saved Favorite? Why does a person have to load 64, 535 Favorites when wanting to "save" a Favorite?

    Yes, people who do research can easily have that many Favorites and as they stand now and still appear to be FUBAR with IE8.

  23. it looks like the windows live chat site is blocking latest Camino builds 🙁

    .. as well as Safari 3.1 [though the page states Safari 1.2 or higher]

  24. Kristen [MSFT] says:

    @ Chris Casciano

    Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We are passing this information along to the appropriate team in Microsoft for follow up.

    Sorry you experienced issues trying to join the chat.

  25. Steven Eberling says:

    Thanks for everything you’ve done so far on IE8!  

    IE is the only major browser without good SVG support because SVG is a direct competitor to the Silverlight product.

    We don’t want to trade the browser war for a graphics-renderer war between Flash, Silverlight, Canvas, and SVG. Developers want better graphics across all networked devices and user-agents. MSFT online products would be served as well. Do the right thing, embrace the open standard for graphics on the web.

  26. Chris says:


    Any chance of a  chat transcript??

  27. Kristen [MSFT] says:


    The transcript takes approximately a week from the day of the chat before it is published. I will put a link to the transcript from the IE Blog once it is available.

  28. LARGO says:

    i can’t setup Adobe Flash Player for IE8….

  29. Rex says:

    Adobe Flash Player DEAD… It cannot install at all…

  30. Paul says:

    Does anyone know a url where people can rally up support for SVG?

    I think that SVG is a brilliant tool, and have no idea why it is not in Internet Explorer.

    When creating internal websites for my company, I am tempted to say "Use anything but IE" so that I can use SVG.

  31. Steven Eberling says:

    For the sake of your customers and the internet, please let your user base see SVG graphics. Consider improving the attitude people have towards Microsoft (largely because of IE). Small intranets can say "Anything but IE", but what really happens is that the large companies who make the interesting products will choose the lowest common denominator when it comes to graphics. Don’t be the lowest common denominator for another decade.

    The web is a community, and we have standards.  Please see for more information.

  32. shaun Roe says:

    Not having SVG is a huge stumbling block, and I don’t see it as a direct competitor to Silverlight, which attempts to be much, much more. Incorporating SVG to allow simple graphs and clickable diagrams generated directly from xml data sources via XSLT would be an incredible boon to web developers everywhere. Until then, its FF for me.

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