Working Together for a Better Web


Hi Everyone!

I’d like to introduce myself. I’m Molly E. Holzschlag, and I’m excited to announce that I’ve signed on with the Internet Explorer team on a contract basis to work on standards and interoperability issues. Many readers of the IEBlog will be familiar with the Web Standards Project (WaSP). As the departing Group Lead for WaSP and as an invited expert to the W3C, my work has in the past focused on the creation and evangelism  of Web standards. In an effort to develop proactive, cooperative relationships with Microsoft as development teams ramped up for IE7 and the new Expression Web, I began working closely with the Web Platform and Tools team via the WaSP / Microsoft Task Force.

The Web, as envisioned by its creator Tim Berners-Lee, was always meant to be an interoperable platform. That was the entire heart and soul of its emergence: To provide people a means of sharing information across the world without regard to the computer platform or browser in use. Due to the browser “wars” and what I prefer to think of as the early evolutionary stages of the Web, just how we were going to keep that vision in such a fast-moving environment became a serious concern.

One way to address that concern has been through standards advocacy and evangelism. Another way is to identify the problems in all browsers and tools, prioritize them, and work toward creating a stable baseline of compatibility from the side of software as well as education. I spent a lot of my career working on the first, but now I’m convinced it’s the action and education that’s going to make the long-term difference, not evangelism on its own.

With that, I’m very excited to announce that I will be working to advance standards and interoperability education and outreach. The goal is essentially two fold:

  • To provide resources to Web designers and developers (including internal developers at Microsoft) as they work toward a more standards-oriented goal – no matter which tools and technologies are being used. To achieve this, our group will be publishing educational material for designers and developers from such noted industry experts as Eric Meyer, Christopher Schmitt and Aaron Gustafson. We’re choosing people who represent the Web professional’s community at large and who are subject matter experts in the technologies about which they’ll be writing.  We’ll also be doing hands-on tutorials, continuing with our chat series, and I’ll be blogging a column called “The Daily Molly” which will provide short news, tips and tricks, and items of interest to the community
  • To work with Microsoft as well as all browser  and tools vendors. It is my desire that persistence coupled with diplomacy will assist us all in moving to a time where interoperability becomes the heart of the Web again

Pete LePage, a Product Manager at Microsoft Web Platform and Tools, offers these words:

“I’m very excited to work more closely with Molly, as she excels in creating content for web designers and developers.  Her track record of achievements in community outreach initiatives, her independence, as well as her high standards, is impressive and this strength will be of great value to both the designer/developer community and to Microsoft.  Molly’s unique capabilities are ideal for this position and I know she will be successful in connecting the web community with us.”

I look forward to this challenging, exciting opportunity!  I’m grateful to all the wonderful people at Microsoft, Opera, Mozilla, Apple, the Web Standards Project, the W3C and countless other companies and groups around the world who are working so very hard to advance this evolutionary and wonderful tool we share that is the World Wide Web.

With warm regards,

Molly

Molly E. Holzschlag
Standards & Interoperability Education and Outreach
Web Platform and Tools, Microsoft

Edit: Added link and word edit to first sentence

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  12. Go for it Molly – do us all proud, I know you will :)

  13. I look forward to seeing what you hand the team have in store.

  14. Keith says:

    Woo hoo!  Congrats, Molly.

    Good to see that you’re carrying on your work directly with MS, and that Microsoft appears to be taking interoperability and cross-browser issues seriously.

    Looking forward to reading your upcoming comments on the new gig.

  15. Kevin Lawver says:

    Good luck, Molly!  Looking forward to working with you!  Does that mean you’ll be a more permanent fixture at W3C meetings (pretty please)?

  16. Faruk says:

    You’re a rock star and you know it =)

    Improvin’ the world one team at a time ;-)

  17. Olly says:

    Nice one Molly! No pressure, but we’re all counting on you out here ;-)

  18. Mike Stickel says:

    Congrats Molly! It sounds like quite a challenge but I’m sure you’re up to it.

  19. Ben Buchanan says:

    Hey this is great news. Go Molly! :)

  20. Vicki says:

    Best news I’ve heard in a while, Molly! Congratulations and best of luck.

  21. Great. My guess is it will be soaring instead of crashing, Molly.

  22. Right on! Can’t wait to see your work surface!

  23. That’s great news! It is very brave step to move to weakest place of the web to make it better. Hooray to you, Molly.

  24. Nick Cowie says:

    Good luck, though you should not need it (except maybe dealing with the MS Office-Outlook people or nailing a stake through their heart ;-)

    Looking forward to what your team will be doing

  25. PeteL's Blog says:

    Molly I’m really excited about the announcement we made on the IE Blog earlier today. Molly Holzschlag

  26. pauldwaite says:

    Yowser! Didn’t see that one coming. I guess Bill liked ya, huh? :)

  27. sheldon says:

    Molly, if you can pursuade the Microsoft Development team into adopting just a mere few standards, the world will be a better place!

    I hope that the "Daily Molly" also points out the shortcommings of IE in the Web Standards world, and just how much it is holding back the Web development community as a whole.

    e.g.:

    Use CSS to style a list..

    li {

     display: block;

     …

     /*

       MSIE will need additional hacks, if this    

       list is placed in a scrolling div or

       similar, as it wrongly includes the

       scrollbars in the desired width.

     */

    }

    Although the DOM method: getElementById( id ); is implemented in all modern browsers, *beware* that the IE6/IE7 implementation is broken, returning nodes with a matching name attribute as well.

    These are the kind of thing that bite us developers every day.

    sheldon

  28. Tuna says:

    Congratulations Molly, I feel like we have just got an insider who has the passion and understanding of web standards working with us.

  29. goodwitch says:

    Molly, this is fantastic news! You inspire us to see problems, brainstorm solutions and then make it happen.  

    Thank you for your diplomatic leadership and your ability to turn dreams into reality.

  30. pauldwaite says:

    Yowser! Didn’t see that one coming. I guess Bill liked ya, huh? :)

  31. cooperpx says:

    Good luck with your contracting endevours with Microsoft. I hope your new fangled ideas take well on campus. ;)

  32. AC says:

    Hi Molly, good luck at your new job as you’re really need it. Unfortunately as long as Microsoft treats standards as an after-though, the Web will remain the way it is. Microsoft should force a big group of its employees to use Opera or Firefox, only then will they realize that what they’re producing isn’t standard compliant. If all they use is IE, how are they going to realize they’ve made a mistake? Testing lags behind development by a significant margin.

  33. Alex says:

    As a web applications developer, I couldn’t be happier… even though there’s still a ways to catch up in terms of standards support, I’m now looking forward to what comes out of the IE team more and more, especially with news like this. One question: do you know what this means for the likes of the Outlook/Word fiasco (too harsh? how about "change of direction"?) in terms of standards support in future Office versions?

  34. Tom Morris says:

    Cool stuff, Molly. Now I know why you were talking about interoperability so much – that sounds like a much nicer phrase to Redmond than standards.

    If IE7 used application/xml+xhtml, we might finally be able to start undoing the historic ties between HTML and SGML and move to a fully XMLized web. Which would significantly reduce headaches.

  35. Ian Muir says:

    w00t!

    Yeah Molly! Have fun working with the IE team, I’m sure that it will be a good experience for you and provide some great input for the IE team.

  36. Get ‘em to support data URLs … please? :)

    Good job on the IE team nabbing you … maybe they are serious this time. I guess they did implement PNGs finally. :)

  37. Xepol says:

    Standards are good, but only if well enough documented.

    I suspect that you have a LOT of work ahead of you.  Not just adhearing to those standards, but getting people to agree what they actually are.

  38. Xepol says:

    That said, welcome to the team.

  39. Cam says:

    Wicked – congrats Molly, and well done MS… you’ve picked up a great person.

  40. cooperpx says:

    @ Anthony Mills

    In IE7, printing a PNG with *any* transparency causes nasty 2 bit black and white image (no grey-scale). Also PNG colors won’t match up with css (unless you use a tool to remove the GAMA chunk).

    Anyhow, this is off topic. I really do wish you luck Molly!

  41. Ron says:

    This is a good sign from the IE team, I’m looking forward to the future.

  42. Phil says:

    When I saw this title, it made me laugh. IE – A better web? Isn’t that an oxymoron? Maybe I’m coming across too strong. However, I am very pleased to read this. I hope you will have an impact on the standards support in IE.

    I would say that if I could have IE change one thing, I would want it to actually render the MIME type application/xhtml+xml instead of try to download it. Ugh.

    I hope you will help with IE’s issues.

    Phil

  43. carter says:

    Cool, this is great news! Good luck Molly. Here’s looking forward to IE8 :)

  44. Doug Karr says:

    Good luck, Molly.  Perhaps MS should look for an "In Reach" rep as well.  I can’t tell you the difficulties in developing for 3+ browsers nowadays… and IE is not the exception, it’s one of the issues.

    As well, any way you can go strangle those guys in Office 2007 who won’t be supporting some basic HTML in emails?  Now I have to develop HTML emails differently, too.

    Arrrgh.  You guys are losing me.

  45. Will says:

    "In IE7, printing a PNG with *any* transparency causes nasty 2 bit black and white image (no grey-scale). "

    That depends on your printer driver; some of them don’t correctly implement the transparency features.

    "I would want it to actually render the MIME type application/xhtml+xml instead of try to download it"

    Why would you want IE to "try" to render a format that it doesn’t support?

  46. Wow, with you assisting the IE team, I can actually see XHTML support somewhere down the road (hint hint, adopt the Gecko platform!).

    No pressure, but we’re counting on you Molly!

  47. Molly, try to convince the IE Dev. team to ditch Trident and go with Gecko 1.8.

  48. David Naylor says:

    Matt: Gecko 1.9 would be a weck of a lot better.

    Molly: Great news! Just like everyone else I can’t wait to see the fruits of this!

  49. Molly E. Holzschlag , formerly of the Web Standards Project (WASP) has joined the IE team on a contract

  50. Hans says:

    @"Molly, try to convince the IE Dev. team to ditch Trident and go with Gecko 1.8"

    O no please do not use the stupid slow nerdy Gecko engine.. just fix the one from MS….

  51. dd says:

    Good Golly Miss Molly.

    There, it’s done. Someone had to do it.

    Oh standards amongst web browsers .. it’s such a utopian dream. I wonder if I’ll live to see the day, or if the stress of building cross-browser sites will get me first. Things were so much easier when IE was killing the opposition – before Firefox and Safari came along with their appallingly poor ability to render a web page. Although IE7 is a close second now to Safari in quirkyness.

  52. Peter Goddard says:

    Hi Molly

    As a long time standards supporter, now working in .NET Web Development, get some good stuff from the .NET team at Microsoft. They know about standards, have incorporated a lot into the new Expression tools and CSS adapter dev tools and could be a huge support to you.

    The very best of luck and great success for the future on this project and beyond.

  53. Frances says:

    Congrats Molls.  Looking forward to seeing what influence you have with the IE team.  Can only be a good thing!

  54. Artículo del blog de Internet Explorer donde la propia Molly explica sus propósitos en su andadura de trabajar codo con codo con los miembros del equipo de Internet Explorer

  55. Flash says:

    All I can say is that you have *every* Web Developers support by trying to make IE a more standards compliant browser. Even though it should have been this 5 years ago, it’s never to late for a leopard to change it’s spots :)

    I hope we can strive to reach the "uptopia" that we all dream of!!

    Good luck at your new job and we wish every bit of success! Very exciting stuff :)

  56. Tobias says:

    Seeing you in that team actually restores my hope that there still will be web-standards in the future! Thanks & good luck!

  57. noblog says:

    モーリーってあのモーリー!?IEBlog : Working Together for a Better WebI’d like to introduce myself. I’m Molly E. Holzschlag, and I’m excited to announce that I’ve signed on with the Internet Explorer team on a contract basis to work on standards and interoperability

  58. Stewart says:

    Congrats and good luck – and well done to Microsoft for taking you on!

  59. Jens Nedal says:

    All praise Molly E. Holzschlag, for she will bring order to the web. ohm. *clap*

  60. keith says:

    This is wonderful news indeed – I want to like IE as it was for me, like for many, the first window onto the World Wide Web. Yet IE7 although much improved on the hopelessly outdated and out-moded IE6, is still painfully inadequate and lacking in standards compliance. With Molly on board I expect  some leaping…erm… leaps towards such compliance. Be warned however, many people will be expecting miracles!

  61. Que Molly rejoigne Microsoft, c’est une nouvelle inattendue, un peu comme si Zidane rejoignait l’quipe d’Italie. Infatigable vanglisatrice des standards du Web au sein du projet WASP (webstandards.org), elle fait partie de ceux qui ont…

  62. Lloydi says:

    If I were crass I might say something like ‘better to be on the inside p***ing out than on the outside p***ing in’. But that’s not my staly :-D

    Adding to the chorus above – congrats Molly. You’ve worked hard and I sincerely hope that MS realise what an asset they have with you there and make *full* use of your skills. You have an excellent position to influence from within, now, and are in a great position to bridge that gap between the standards purists and the people working with the reality of many years of MS baggage/legacy.

    Go get ‘em tiger!

  63. Phil Sherry says:

    Step #1: Fix "The Daily Molly" so that it validates: "This page is not Valid XHTML 1.0 Frameset!"

    Someone had to say it, so it may as well have been me! :D

    Nit-picking aside, this is great news. I really hope this is the beginning of good things, and an end to all those annoying little problems.

  64. Raanan Avidor says:

    LUKE: Is the dark side stronger?

    YODA: No… no… no. Quicker, easier, more seductive.

  65. Good luck Molly!

    I think it will help us (Web Developers) a lot, making Internet Explorer a better browser, more Web Standards compliance…

    So, we will not lose much time to correct some bugs on sites, or we doesn’t will need to use "IE hacks" anymore…

  66. Dale Crowder says:

    Can someone tell me where to get support for IE 7 and xp tablet pc.  Everywhere I go it tells me my browser is not supported.  Even my Microsoft Partner web site.  Sorta humerous, but I figured someone has already worked throught the issues.

  67. Robert Gaut says:

    This just made my day. Congratulations, Molly! Keep up the good fight. You rock!

  68. Lorissa says:

    This is very exciting news! Congratulations Molly.  I’m definitely looking forward to seeing what comes of this – perhaps there is indeed some hope now!

  69. Vernon says:

    Good luck, Molly! Can you imagine that you could serve as the difference maker to bring IE closer to standards?  I’m sure it’ll be a tough job, but you have my support!  

  70. Carl Camera says:

    I’d like to congratulate the IE Team for being openminded and smart enough to bring Molly aboard.  The team will certainly benefit from her knowledge, experience,  and diplomacy.  And Molly, you might learn a thing or two too. :-)  Best wishes for an amicable partnership.

  71. cooperpx says:

    @ Will

    >> "In IE7, printing a PNG with *any* transparency causes nasty 2 bit black and white image (no grey-scale). "

    >> >> That depends on your printer driver; some of them don’t correctly implement the transparency features.

    I don’t buy it.

    I’m talking about an 8 bit PNG with single pixel transparency which is essentially a GIF. The reason why I know your explanation is completely incorrect is because a) the moment I put the AlphaImageLoader filter on, it prints correctly and b) these exact same images print correctly in all the other browsers which includes IE6.

  72. Aedrin says:

    Good news, and yet some still have to add in a negative comment.

    "It is very brave step to move to weakest place of the web to make it better."

    Weasel words, anyone?

    "Microsoft should force a big group of its employees to use Opera or Firefox"

    Don’t you think they know what Opera and Firefox are like? Have you ever seen a succesful company that doesn’t look at its competitor’s products?

    "I suspect that you have a LOT of work ahead of you.  Not just adhearing to those standards, but getting people to agree what they actually are."

    Who actually thinks that people in Microsoft sit around blasting standards all day?

    I think it has a lot more to do with backwards compatibility, and time.

    "When I saw this title, it made me laugh. IE – A better web?"

    Yeah. It’s not like XmlHttpRequest ever did the web any good, or that rotten piece of software called the DHTML editing control.

  73. Adrian Turner says:

    Many thanks and Bless You! I know you will do us proud.

  74. Dan says:

    Congrats to both the IE Team and Molly.  Hiring Molly is not only a great move because she’s brilliant, but also shows Microsoft’s dedication to "play nice."  It’s a great move and I’m thrilled to see it happen.  Good things are ahead for Microsoft, the web, and Molly.

  75. Congratulations, Molly! It’s easy to stand on the outside and throw rocks, it takes a much bigger person to go inside to try to make change happen. Way to go!

  76. Here’s a surprise: web standardista extraordinaire Molly Holzschlag is now working with Microsoft to promote web standards within the organization.

    Improving interoperability, especially at high-profile services like many of Microsoft’s, is..

  77. Steve Ganz says:

    This is exciting news for Web professionals everywhere. Congratulations, Molly! Better yet, congratulations Microsoft!

  78. Bruce says:

    While I also add my congratulations on this news I also am a bit nervous.  My concern is that web standards are more than CSS.  Microsoft and WaSP has been completely silent on ANY web standard other than CSS in the past few years.  Do you support SVG as a standard or will you promote WPF/e as a direct competitor?  Will you take a stand on adoption of XSLT 2?  XPath?  How many web technologies did ACID1 and ACID2 employ?

    I wish you good luck with this effort but I have to remind you in your post that you mentioned web standards five times and never mention CSS once.  I hope this is your perspective.

    Good luck

  79. TMaster says:

    Interesting. I see you care about standards a lot. Now let me ask you a few things, please :-)

    1) What about OPEN web standards? Does Microsoft genuininely want to advance OPEN standards?

    2) WPF/E – under what kind of license is the documentation and such available? Would it be easy to make a competitive environment available under the GNU General Public License version 3?

    3) Frankly, this is the only one I care about myself: please remove any support for "content protection" from WPF and WPF/E. We all know what that means – Digital Restrictions Management.

    Sorry to sound like such a blind Linux weirdo. I’m not anti-Microsoft or anything, I mostly like a lot of Microsoft products (Internet Explorer, Windows) – I just don’t like DRM and such.

  80. Jon Tan says:

    Congratulations to you and Microsoft, Molly. As one of the silent majority who have wasted countless working hours compensating for poor Standards support, this fills me with hope for the future. Very best wishes and all the best.

  81. Scott says:

    This is the best news I’ve heard about IE in a very long time.  Best wishes to you and good luck with the new position!

  82. Sheila says:

    Good luck Molly!  I look forward to seeing the results :)

  83. Bash says:

    Congrats Molly!!!!

    I must admit that Pete’s comment kinda bothers me though.

    "Molly’s unique capabilities are ideal for this position and I know she will be successful in connecting the web community with us"

    Shouldn’t that be connecting us to the web community? Still sounds like MS wants us to bend to them.

  84. Aedrin says:

    "I must admit that Pete’s comment kinda bothers me though."

    I think you missed a spot of tin foil on your hat.

  85. Jessica says:

    Great news Molly, best of luck, I know you’ll do us all proud. It’s great to see people standing up and tackling issues head on through education.

  86. Congratulations Molly!  

    –andy, who missed getting andy.com by just a couple of days back then…

  87. Billee D. says:

    Excellent work, Molly! It really excites me to think that after all these years Microsoft is actively seeking modern web design professionals with the intention of bringing better standards to their browser. Congratulations and I look forward to reading (and hopefully "seeing") your ideas and work with MS take root in positive ways.

  88. goose says:

    I look forward to IE-branded tips and tricks tutorials from you and other industry experts, Molly! At last, somewhere I can go and not be told to download Firefox.

    Who can make better browser than those who made the operating system? No one.

    Tim-Berners-Lee was right. Interoperable Internet Explorer versions are the best solution.  

  89. André Luís says:

    Great news. IE7 was/is a great achievement, but there’s no time to stop and gloat. Keep it up guys, and with Molly by your side I’m pretty sure Microsoft will regain the community’s respect. You’ve got a lot to make up for.

    Also, spread the love guys:

    http://digg.com/software/Molly_Holzschlag_joins_the_IE_Team_Salvation

  90. Jan Schnurle says:

    Molly, im trully happy for this!

    Finally i’m a litle less concerned about CSS / IE7!

    I wish you best luck and kick some ass at MS!!!

  91. For me the key phrase is:

    "To provide resources to Web designers and developers (including internal developers at Microsoft) as they work toward a more standards-oriented goal – no matter which tools and technologies are being used."

    That brings a great smile upon my face. I hope you can not only educate the engineers of IE, but also the people responsible for creating content on all Microsoft related websites. It would be absolutely marvelous if Microsoft themselves would turn their own websites towards the standards they contributed themselves to.

    If anyone can do it, you can.

    We should congratulate Microsoft for employing you.

  92. gary turner says:

    This would explain the sycophantic "interview" of Bill Gates.

    But, good luck.

  93. Mike Bryan says:

    Wow nice going Molly. Looking forward to version IE7.1

  94. Nice one, Molly. =O)

    Microsoft lately started doing some smart moves, i hope this will continue. First you’ve got to make an interview with Bill Gates, and right "now" you have got this job. I hope this job will be something we all wait and hope for. Good luck! =O)

  95. I think the real solution to the web is to just make it like television. Could you imagine how irate football fans would react to a server crash problem that canceled the viewing of their favotite team on television.

    Till the web is more like television only geeks will take it seriously. Another problem is the darned heat factor. You could leave your television on for days without a problem. But run your computer more than a few hours, and you’ve got big over heating problems.

    Anyway, I’m very glad you’re on the team. You seem very sensible. And I would gladly trade geek for sensible any time. Good luck to you.

  96. aryan says:

    i need to work with internet explorer

  97. Elsa says:

    This is great news, and the best of luck in your new role.

    Congratulations to both you and Microsoft. It’s a brilliant call on both your parts and I can’t wait to see the results.

  98. tedd says:

    Molly:

    Oh no, this can’t be good — you’re only going to corrupt Microsoft into doing something right.  :-)

    Best of luck.

    tedd

  99. Keith Burgin says:

    "This would explain the sycophantic "interview" of Bill Gates."

    It couldn’t be that Molly is one of the foremost standards evangelists in the business… no, that wouldn’t be it.  It couldn’t be that she’s brilliant and has authored 30 some books… no.  And, no, it wouldn’t be that she’s an experienced teacher who is used to educating people.

    Nah, none of those are the reasons count in Microsoft’s decision to hire her.  You’re right, it must be that Molly didn’t consult you before spending five minutes with Gates – being as you could never hope to get close to him… and she didn’t ask your questions or be impolite.  Yup, the fix was in all along.

    By the way, Gary, you’ve got a spot of chocolate pudding on your pajamas.  Better ask your mom to wipe it off.

  100. I am wrapping up my week by clearing the backlog of blogging I intended to do but have not had time until

  101. Tom says:

    Great news Molly! Good work IE team, sometimes it’s hard to admit you need help but I can’t think of anyone better to be working with on it.

  102. bob says:

    Good Luck…but it would be great if they can get someone to fix the issues with TurboTax Web so I can complete a form using IE and not having to install FoxFire. Buggy IE

  103. gary turner says:

    "By the way, Gary, you’ve got a spot of chocolate pudding on your pajamas.  Better ask your mom to wipe it off." –Keith Burgin

    Ah, Keith, I’ve been around a bit longer than that.  More likely, I would be wiping the spot from my 82 year old mother’s jammies, as she’s had a few strokes.

    I go back to disk BASIC in the 70s, and the first PCs with DOS, and before that to machine code toggled into Z80s, 8600s and 8080s on wire-wrapped boards.  So, while I’m not a coding wizard, I do have some background from the ground up, and I do handle my chocolate pudding just fine, thank you.

    By about 1999, I was marking up web sites, cursing the differences between IE and NN, and wishing for some kind of standard.  Of course the standards did exist and Netscape did the brave thing; they scrapped previous proprietary work and developed a standards compliant rendering engine.  With the arrival of IE6, cross browser coding was possible—not always easy, but possible.  IE’s rendering was lacking in support, and what support it did have was often not exactly Kosher.  Meanwhile, Opera’s support and that of the KHTML and Gecko engines  continued to improve while IE6 languished.  Moz/Gecko and Opera are about three nines compliant, while IE remains at less than 50% of css2.1.  Why?

    With IE7, Molly gushed over the improvements, implying that MSFT was making great strides toward W3 css and html compliance.  In fact, IE7 is a minor point revision.  It fixes some of the more egregious bugs, those described at John and Holly’s PIE, and it adds some selector support.  There are no other non-trivial improvements to the rendering engine. IE7 still has less than 50% support.  The rest was cosmetic/marketing issues.  From MSFT’s own description of one soi disant fix was to invoke hasLayout when {overflow: hidden|auto;} was used to cause float enclosure.  Since most of the PIE bug fixes used the same hack, it implies IE simply includes the Holly Hack or the equivalent internally for the fixes rather than actually fixing the code.

    Among the "foremost standards evangelists in the business", as I believe you put it, Molly was the only one who didn’t see IE7 as a marketing pop-gun.

    If Molly was just being polite, introduced at court, so to speak, why did [i]she[/i] call it an interview?  And if it was an interview, why the ass kissing?  As polite conversation, it was of no interest in her blog.

    I am not saying that she was hired because she made nicey nice in an "interview", I’m suggesting the fix was already in, and that’s why she was the total sycophant.

  104. Mirko says:

    Glad to hear good news, good luck!

  105. drew b says:

    I’m glad someone thought of doing this.

  106. Floppie says:

    Glad to hear about this.  The new layout I wrote for our website doesn’t work in IE7 (maybe not IE6 either, haven’t bothered to check – every time I’m using a Micro$oft product I get this weird urge to staple myself to my chair), and I refuse to fix a fully-validated XHTML strict site just because Trident, the slums of the browser world, won’t render it correctly.

    The fix I was planning on doing was a PHP fix – if the user is running IE7, display the old layout along with a suggestion to download a real browser (Firefox, Opera, hell even Konqueror run via NX).  Maybe now I can just wait a little while, and I won’t have to do that.

  107. The Hater says:

    Well, color me jealous…

    They couldn’t have picked a better person for the job, though I think they should have given me a shot for a while, first.

  108. Rob says:

    Sell out.

    Remember when I told you that last time Molly?  I ragged on you big time but changed my mind when I saw you interview Chris Wilson at a conference.  You got on his case so I thought I was wrong!  Good for you.  I was wrong!

    Or am I?  I’ll take a wait and see but what does Microsoft need with you Molly?  They are members of the W3C and you aren’t.  What do you have to teach the?  Wilson was even invited to chair the W3C but you are going to teach him web standards?!  

    Something smelly this way comes.

  109. Mark says:

    I hope you can help fix IE’s standards support.

    Perhaps it would be easier if you used the Gecko rendering engine??  What’s the point in working on Trident when there’s a perfectly good rendering engine that’s open source?

  110. hAl says:

    [quote]What’s the point in working on Trident when there’s a perfectly good rendering engine that’s open source?[/quote]

    That it requires the software to use the GPL licensing for instance. That license gives all kinds of obligations that MS might not want for it’s software.

    Also as a company leading in producing commercial software it isn’t a good idea to let your software be to dependant on third party softwaredevelopment.

  111. Jussi Kukkonen says:

    hAl, there’s no requirement to use GPL with gecko. Quoth mozilla.org;

    > All of the code which makes up the core Mozilla products is licensed under a MPL/GPL/LGPL tri-license

    > or a licence compatible with all three of those (e.g. the BSD licence).

    Otherwise your points are valid.

  112. prisca says:

    Molly – you go girl :)

    glad to see any excuse for the porr css support now being taken away – with you on board – there is hope yet ;)

    Good luck :)

  113. Thacker says:

    Quote, To provide resources to Web designers and developers (including internal developers at Microsoft) as they work toward a more standards-oriented goal – no matter which tools and technologies are being used. To achieve this, our group will be publishing educational material for designers and developers[…], End Quote.

    When can a central repository of Internet Explorer 7.0 issues be expected?  

    For example, some of the issues in implementation of the CSS proprietary zoom property.  That property appears to have some tremendous potential.

    Getting trapped in the Microsoft telephone queue from hell for over 3 hours to get nowhere in getting a few direct development questions answered regarding the same is agitating at the least.

    Then being left to some damn blog post that will never get answered …

    Until such concrete resources get "published", it remains "all hat and no cattle."

    Sincerely,

    C. Thacker

    CPRG Limited

    Springfield, OH 45503

    United States

  114. Congratulations Molly –  your entrance into this team is the first time I’ve actually felt comforted by the future of Internet Explorer. You have exceptional talent, I hope to seem IE hold themselves to that standard in the future with your support!

  115. alexpeng says:

    Web 标准的布道者 Molly 正式加入微软的 IE team,这里是她在 IEBlog 上发表的 announcement。节选部分如下:

  116. Clucking bell, Molly Holzshlag really has kicked the web standards beehive with a blog post expressing

  117. Dating says:

    Hi Everyone! I’d like to introduce myself. I’m Molly E. Holzschlag , and I’m excited to announce that I’ve signed on with the Internet Explorer team on a contract basis to work on standards and interoperability issues. Many readers of the IEBlog will

  118. Weddings says:

    Hi Everyone! I’d like to introduce myself. I’m Molly E. Holzschlag , and I’m excited to announce that I’ve signed on with the Internet Explorer team on a contract basis to work on standards and interoperability issues. Many readers of the IEBlog will