Getting Ready for MIX06!


Hi, I’m Cyra Richardson, relatively new Lead Program Manager on the IE team. As the new person, I was handed the opportunity to coordinate the content for the IE team’s participation at MIX06. It’s Friday, Tony is running on next to no sleep, Peter is running around trying to make sure the latest IE bits are on the Sandbox Machines, Markus is practicing his demos and Al was bugging me to write a blog entry. The pace before every show is frenetic; MIX06 is no different.

Cats in the Sandbox

The MIX06 event team came up with the idea of having a lab called The Sandbox, within which attendees could play with the latest technologies being shown and MIX06. There will be two IE sections to The Sandbox; the RSS area and the IE7 Compatibility area.

The RSS lab – Members of the RSS team, also known as guides, will hand out a manual with sample code that will walk developers through the process of writing their own screen saver that obtains its list of images from a live RSS feed!

The IE7 Compatibility lab – Members of the Internet Explorer team will guide web developers of all types through a process that will help them identify the compatibility issues with their sites. Folks that come in on Sunday will get a little surprise when they start up Internet Explorer on the machines in this lab. 🙂

Monday: Hitting the ground running

Because I have been coordinating the content for the Internet Explorer Team’s participation at MIX06, I have had the opportunity to see talks early in their development. And I would like to share with you some of the inside track on cool talks.

For those that stayed out late on Sunday night, it would behoove you to drag yourself out of bed on bright and early Monday morning. Bill Gates, Tim O’Reilly (founder and CEO of O’Reilly Media) and Dean Hachamovitch (General Manager of the Internet Explorer Team) will lead a survey of technologies that can help make your business more productive. Later on Monday, Dean Hachamovitch will lead a discussion with industry experts exploring the Future of IE.

Tuesday: In the middle of things

With the inspiration of the first days talks in mind, Tuesday should be a good day for figuring out how to use some the technologies surveyed on the first day. Our collective customers have increasing concerns about the safety of shopping on the internet. Rob Franco will talk about the new features that help customers feel safer using the internet in IE7, and how to work with them in building your sites, in his talk, “Making Your Site Work with IE7 Security.”

Wednesday: The best for last

De Jure or Du Jour?

Some of the folks that saw the title of Chris Wilson’s talk, “Open, De Jure, De Facto and Proprietary: Standards and Microsoft,” and assumed that De Jure was a misspelling for Du Jour – and actually, it was filed wrong on the MIX06 web site for a while – but they were incorrect. Check out Chris’ talk to learn more French (well, okay, not really) and to gain insight into how Microsoft thinks about standards.

Really Simple Syndication

Previously, the RSS platform has been used as a mechanism for pushing (or pulling depending on your perspective) text between the producer and the consumers. In Walter VonKoch’s talk, the concept of using RSS as in innovative ways to create live web applications will be explored.

Beauty is in the eye of the customer

Markus Mielke has been the Microsoft representative in the W3C working group for over a year now. In his talk, he will explain how Microsoft is using the feedback from our customers to improve the standards compliance in IE7.

Hope to see you there!

 – Cyra Richardson

Update: Fixed a few typos.

Comments (36)

  1. Anonymous says:

    you said… "Folks that come in on Sunday will get a little surprise when they start up Internet Explorer on the machines in this lab. :)"

    oh my, surely not Acid2 compliant :)))

  2. Who cares about Acid2 anyway?

  3. Anonymous says:

    Is "De Factor" instead of "De Facto" a typo? I hope it’s not in the actual title.

    Murphy’s Law of Corrections.

  4. Anonymous says:

    "Who cares about Acid2 anyway?"

    Web Developers who want to use the features it tests.

  5. Anonymous says:

    As IE7 does not fully support data url’s it is unlikely to comply with the acid2 test.

    There is however a acid2 test variant without data url’s that might be rendered reasonably correct although I asume that is not really of the utmost importance for the IE team as it will only lead to a lot of stupid people saying "that is not the real acid2 test".

  6. Anonymous says:

    "might be rendered reasonably correct"

    lack of data URI support would just cause the eyes to not appear (and it might have some small size issues and such), it wouldn’t cause the amount of red that shows.

  7. Anonymous says:

    @The_Decryptor

    I asume you do not have the new MIX06 build of IE yet so you probably have no idea how it would render under that build or the amount of red it will show

  8. Anonymous says:

    hAl, it is not trivial to get a browser passing Acid2. It’s probably safe to say that it’s impossible for IE 7 to pass if you look at how the Beta 2 preview failed.

  9. Anonymous says:

    I would love to have IE7 fully support CSS and XHTML, etc. and pass Acid2 flawlessly (make it easier when I’m doing web sites), but I’m being realistic, unless they have implemented a lot more of the standards, and fixed a hell of a lot of rendering issues, i don’t think it will pass.

  10. Anonymous says:

    @Dao

    The acid2 test is overrated as a test of standards.

    And the beta2 preview preview is not a really good indicator.

    The mix06 preview as described here is a much better indicator:

    http://www.molly.com/2006/03/01/microsoft-ie7-progress-sneak-preview-of-mix06-release/

  11. Anonymous says:

    > The acid2 test is overrated as a test of standards.

    It remains a test of standards.

    > And the beta2 preview preview is not a really good indicator.

    It’s the best indicator available.

    > The mix06 preview as described here is a much better indicator:

    You said: "I asume you do not have the new MIX06 build of IE yet so you probably have no idea how it would render under that build or the amount of red it will show."

    And after seeing screenshots of two sites, you wanna say that the mix06 build probably will pass Acid2 (except for eyes because of data URIs)? Or what’s your point here? Because I don’t see it.

  12. Anonymous says:

    @Dao

    What you can see on that site is that there is an enormous improvement in rendering between beta preview to mix06 preview.

    There is no way to tell if it will or will not pass the Acid2 test even without data url’s

    [url]http://hixie.ch/tests/evil/acid/002-no-data/[/url]

    Actually I have not even seen the beta preview render that version of the acid2 test as I need IE6 for work and can’t afford to reinstall IE7 at this time.

  13. Anonymous says:

    http://www.silverelectron.com/screenshots/acid2/IE7big.png < IE7 B1

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/alaskana/93697347/ < IE7 B2

    As you can see, they still have a long way to go (but i love the fact you guys are working on it, don’t get me wrong)

  14. Anonymous says:

    I’m heading off to Mix06 tomorrow. My first time&amp;nbsp;to Las Vegas…

    Other Microsoft attendees have…

  15. Anonymous says:

    > http://www.flickr.com/photos/alaskana/93697347/ < IE7 B2

    And this leaves IE7 beta 2 prev. somewhere between Opera 5 and 6:

    http://my.opera.com/tarquinwj/homes/albums/45511/Opera5.png

    http://my.opera.com/tarquinwj/homes/albums/45511/Opera6.png

    Now, hAl, I’m taking into account that there are improvements from the preview to the mix06 build (mainly selector parser fixes and min/max-widht/height, I suppose). And I’m taking into account that the IE team can be fast, since MS has a lot of cash. But it can’t be *that* fast (since MS won’t invest too much just to be standards compliant.)

  16. ieblog says:

    Sebastian,

    Good catch. It was a late night. 🙂

    – Al Billings [MSFT]

  17. ieblog says:

    About Acid2, we’ve made it pretty clear that while we are improving the rendering engine a lot, we are very unlikely to pass Acid2 with IE7. It is a wishlist for standards support and we respect that but it isn’t the best bar for standards support and we are not focused on it as such.

    – Al Billings [MSFT]

  18. Anonymous says:

    @doa and @TheDecryptor

    You got a pic for the IE7 on no data url version too ?

    http://hixie.ch/tests/evil/acid/002-no-data/

  19. Anonymous says:

    "About Acid2, we’ve made it pretty clear that while we are improving the rendering engine a lot, we are very unlikely to pass Acid2 with IE7. It is a wishlist for standards support and we respect that but it isn’t the best bar for standards support and we are not focused on it as such. "

    Do check some test suites then.  [ http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS2.1/current/ ] and especially [ http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS2.1/current/t0402-c71-fwd-parsing-00-f.htm ] and [ http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS2.1/current/t040302-c61-rel-len-00-b-ag.htm ], for example, seem to give a good idea of Beta 2 Preview’s standing.

  20. Anonymous says:

    > You got a pic for the IE7 on no data url version too ?

    > http://hixie.ch/tests/evil/acid/002-no-data/

    http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/5034/ie7acid24vv.png

    Performed by the Beta 2 Preview, of course.

  21. Anonymous says:

    (Don’t worry too much; Opera’s current preview actually fails this [ http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS2.1/current/t09-c5526c-display-00-e.htm ] part of the suite, with a slightly wider space between the red and black+white boxes than normal.  IE7 B2P passes.)

  22. Anonymous says:

    > Opera’s current preview actually fails this

    Interesting to see Opera 9 failing on a CSS 1 test 🙂

    Do you know if this bug is reported?

  23. Anonymous says:

    thx dao, hebben we tenminste wat meer vergelijkingsmateriaal met de versie die vandaag uitkomt

  24. Anonymous says:

    RSS, forget about the new stuff and get back to basics.

    Find someone who has several hundred bookmarks, in lots of hierarchal folders and get them to add a bookmark.

    Simple huh?,  nope……ARRRRRRRRRRRRRR  massive expanded folder tree with no defalt collapse option.  

    What WERE you thinking?

  25. Anonymous says:

    hAl: Unfortunately, I’m not familiar with your language.

  26. Anonymous says:

    me neither 😉

  27. Anonymous says:

    I want the new IE build released at MIX06!!!

    Will be released?

  28. Anonymous says:

    It probably will be released fairly soon (unless they find serieus issues with it at mix06).

    Strangely though everything is very quiet from Las Vegas. You might think that some people migth have posted an early review of the new build on their blogs or something but i haven’t noticed anything.

  29. Anonymous says:

    I hoped you’d include the inline searching feature that Firefox has since 1.0, but either Thurrott is wrong or it won’t make it into the MIX 06 build?! What’s so hard about this feature that doesn’t seem to be too difficult to implement?

    (http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/49720/windowspaulthurrott_49720.html)

  30. Anonymous says:

    Will the Mix2006 be release to everybody with Windows XP/SP2 or only MSDN subscribers?

  31. Anonymous says:

    > What’s so hard about this feature that doesn’t seem to be too difficult to implement?

    I think you’ve misread Phil Thurrott’s article:

    The company will also discuss the next version of IE at the show, which will likely include features that *didn’t make it into IE 7*, including a true download manager and more seamless inline Web page searching.

    These are features for the version *after* IE7.

  32. Garry Trinder says:

    @game kid:

    We do, in fact, check some test suites then.

    http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS2.1/current/t0402-c71-fwd-parsing-00-f.htm – we fail because we do not support "inherit" as a value for background-color (or many other properties).

    http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS2.1/current/t040302-c61-rel-len-00-b-ag.htm – as far as I can tell, the "green" comment in the test is a bug in the test – Opera, Firefox and IE7 all render this test identically.

    -Chris Wilson

  33. > There should be a solid vertical bar of green below

    Indeed, the "of green" makes no sense.  There’s probably a missing color: green; directive in the .container selector.

    The important thing is the lack of red.

  34. Anonymous says:

    > we fail because we do not support "inherit" as a value for background-color (or many other properties).

    Well … great that you’re aware of this. Fixing it would be even better. 😉

  35. Anonymous says:

    @Steve

    I understood what Thurrott wrote, and that’s what’s disappointing me. Inline searching won’t make it into the final build of IE7, even though I don’t think this is a hard thing to code into IE.