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IE7 Shapes Up

I am sitting here with Molly Holzschlag and Andy Clarke at the W3C Technical Plenary meeting in Mandelieu, France and I am showing them our latest bits, which we plan to hand out for the MIX06 conference (and yes, we’ll hand out publicly after the conference too). They wanted to give me a little challenge and asked me to show them 2 of their favorite pages: Gemination, Egor Kloos’s progressively enhanced CSS Zen Garden design and Malarkey’s personal Web site. Here are Molly’s and Andy’s responses to IE7’s updated CSS behavior.

 - Markus Mielke

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  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    Oh well done!

    Good reason to be smug ;)

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    And excellent choice of people to share it with: very nice publicity :D

    Keep it up!

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    So does publicly mean MSDN subscribers again?

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    I'm still noticing some pages with funny behavior on IE7 beta2 preview, like digg.com and news.com. Is this the fault of the web-site or IE?

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    Why didn't Microsoft try to go for the "Pioneer of Web 2.0 browsing" approach?

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    I seen several post about CSS improvements, which is very nice to hear (please support display:table | table-row and opacity correctly).

    What I dont see (and that worries me a lot) is anything mentioned about improved JavaScript & DOM support (NodeIterator & TreeWalker). See the following link for some missing stuff:
    http://erik.eae.net/archives/2006/02/01/12.10.34/

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    PingBack from http://stylegrind.com/2006/03/02/ie7-shapes-up/

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    apostolos: Andy's site looks the same without the min-height rules. They do not have any effect on the Layout as long as these boxes are filled with enough content.

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    Fiery K,

    Do you want your new browser this year or next? :-)

    We've commented more than once on the tradeoffs that we had to make to get this new version out in a timely manner.

    - Al Billings [MSFT]

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    Al Billings,

    So does publicly mean "MSDN subscribers only" again?

    Thanks

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    Has the IE Team addressed any of IE's DOM related bugs, as outlined at http://www.quirksmode.org/ ?

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    Congratulations on the good press and the good work1  Looks like the hard work is beginning to pay off in some respect.  

    I look forward to testing out IE7 when I next upgrade from Windows 2000.

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    Jim: A backwards step?  Reduced support for CSS?  Care to elaborate?

    Sure, it's not as much of a forward step as we'd like, and in certain areas (DOM, XHTML) there's no stepping either forwards or backwards.  But I wouldn't say that IE7 is a backwards step by any means.

    You listed a number of technologies such as XHTML2, HTML5, CSS3.  Well, XHTML 2.0 and CSS 3.0 are still working drafts, so I wouldn't expect IE7 to support them until they're recommendations.  Though I would wager (and hope) that the IE team has already started working on implementing them, within alternate code branches or something, such that when they do become recommendations, they can easily fold the support into the main browser.

    And HTML5?  Is there even going to be such a thing?  I would expect that XHTML is the future and that there will be no more revisions to the old HTML spec.

    Not sure about the fonts... they look perfectly fine for me in IE6...

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    PingBack from http://nicole.enrogue.com/index.php/2006/03/02/more-improvements-on-ie7-beta/

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    Public means public.  As with the beta 2 preview.  No MSDN membership required.

    -Chris Wilson [MS]

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    It's great to see progress beyond the beta 2 preview.

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    YACP: Yeat Another Competitors Praise:

    http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1141237208&count=1

    He's an Opera-Dev.

    And my thanks for the work too. To please these people is a hard thing to do. And I hope, that you keep the pace after 7.0 got final!

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    Great work so far.

    However, it will be an absolute disaster if min-height is not supported in the final release of IE7. This is a widely used property that is tentatively supported in IE6 (in that height actually acts like min-height).

    In response to Al Billings, I would rather have the release when it's ready (if that means next year, then fine), rather than an interim release that fixes most bugs. I mean, it's been over 4 years since the last major release of Internet Explorer was released, so this is Microsofts chance to make a positive start on the right foot, and give developers an easier life for a change.

    Anyhow, I think the IE7 team should be conratulated for the progress they have made with IE7 so far. Thanks.

    Nick Rigby.

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    ... the "Advertorials" section on Clarke's blog. He's using the following rule ...

    Corr, my CSS file never got so much scrutiny :)

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    It's great to see progress beyond the beta 2 preview.

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    "so I'm guessing min-height really works"

    IETeam - has min/max-height/width been implemented?

  • Anonymous
    March 02, 2006
    "so I'm guessing min-height really works"

    IETeam - has min/max-height/width been implemented?"

    Cool, if it has, I will be a very happy chap.

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    March 02, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 03, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 03, 2006
    IE7 is looking good as a browser for the masses.
    But for development work, I find Firefox a more convenient tool to work with.

  • Anonymous
    March 03, 2006
    Just a comment, maybe I should post it somewhere else. When posting on blogger.com, the posting windows is blank, and you have to switch from "Compose" to "Edit HTML".

  • Anonymous
    March 03, 2006
    Wow, thanks, apostolos, I did not look at it in such a detailed way. It's a pity that it's only a few pixels that make the difference, so we cannot be really sure yet.

    What makes me really confident is Andy's not-yet-revealing-the-secret type of comment. :)

    Anyway, we will see soon.

    Have fun
    Markus

  • Anonymous
    March 03, 2006
    If IE7 is the long-overdue fix... Is IE8 gonna be the dream browser that changes everything?

  • Anonymous
    March 03, 2006
    Chris, thanks for the response.

    I like where IE7 is heading, I would really love to be able to put the stop and refresh button right by the back/forward though.

    The go button doesn't seem to make sense anymore.

  • Anonymous
    March 03, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 03, 2006
    proper CSS support at least youi can reach 2.1 fully,doesen't matter whatever time it takes,just do it,and stone us all

  • Anonymous
    March 03, 2006
    Will the speed in the next release be improved any?
    Sites with large pages (such as one I frequent, www.giveupalready.com) are rather slow, especially when it gets to scrolling and javascript :(
    like today I had to use an "uncheck all" option... and ie just was hanging there... for quite a while.  I open up firefox and it does it in 2 seconds.

    The scrolling there is quite jumpy (at least with the wheel), and loading the pages is rather slow... compared to both ie6 and firefox.

  • Anonymous
    March 03, 2006
    This sounds very good, however how will we be able to test our sites in different versions of IE (I suspect IE6 will still be around for quite a while)? The only solution there seems to be is running virtualPC. But for amateurs like me, this ain't an option (moneywise). I think Microsoft should be able the give us a way to test our sites in different version of IE in an easy way. Don't leave us alone in the blistering cold.

    Help Microsoft, help!

  • Anonymous
    March 04, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 04, 2006
    I'm running Windows pro 64 edition,

    can anyone at Microsoft tell me what the roll-out plans are for the IE7 browser for this platform?

    I couldn't trial the beta 2 and as 64 bit is still a minority platform, when can we realistically expect a launch?

  • Anonymous
    March 04, 2006
    Hi Pieter,

    This should help:
    http://labs.insert-title.com/labs/Multiple-IEs-in-Windows_article795.aspx

    This is the easiest way I know of to test sites in multiple versions of Explorer. I'm just hoping that this doesn't breach any laws. If it does, I never posted it. We can all turn a blind eye to something that makes peoples lives easier.

  • Anonymous
    March 04, 2006
    Godfrey Bartlett

    Your doc failed validation, due to no closing ">".

    It seems IE 7 B2, does handle CSS extremely well, unless there are not DTDs or if there is some coding errors, then it completely toasts the CSS. FF and O will still render these mistakes. As the web grows more and more to XML, poor coding and no DTDs, will have to stop. I'm happy to see IE taking the lead here!

    In my book, this is a feature, not a bug :-)

  • Anonymous
    March 04, 2006
    When try to print on my 6 in one hewlett packard office jet 7410 it will not print and a sign comes up and says turn off cookies and I did so, and it will print; and I can print other things.

    larryriccio@comcast.net

  • Anonymous
    March 05, 2006
    I think that a new good feature for the upcoming version of IE7 will be the following:

    Allow to merge opened IE7 windows into a single window with their corresponding tabs.

    This is to cope with the fact that you cannot get rid completely of multiple IE windows when clicking on links, therefore you might end up with several of those opened. So it would be cool if via a context menu un the window itself, say something like, Merge Opened IE Windows...

    Just an idea.

  • Anonymous
    March 06, 2006
    "Let Internet Explorer decide how popups should open."

    AWESOME FEATURE, Please make this the default!!

    Thank you!

  • Anonymous
    March 06, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 07, 2006
    Will IE7 have the option to see a Thumbnail on Hyperlinks? This is really cool. AOL Explorer 1.5 beta does this.

  • Anonymous
    March 07, 2006
    Hello,

    I am trying to find out if I can install IE7 and keep IE6 at the same time. Can you please help me out, or point me in the right direction.
    Thanks,
    Paul
    paul_campbell_37@msn.com

  • Anonymous
    March 07, 2006
    I am trying to find out if I can install IE7 and keep IE6 at the same time. Can you please help me out, or point me in the right direction.
    Thanks,

    No you can't.

  • Anonymous
    March 09, 2006
    Looks like IE7 is indeed shaping up. Well done guys. I'm going to have find something else to tweak :)

  • Anonymous
    March 09, 2006
    Sometimes IE7 will crash nicely... eg, an mshtml.dll error will close IE7 down quite nicely.
    ntdll.dll,...

  • Anonymous
    March 11, 2006
    Good show but not enough to dump Firefox:
    Display frame is smaller in IE7
    Deleting individual history entries is smoother with Firefox.

  • Anonymous
    March 11, 2006
    what about favicons? I don't get them on every page. e.g. www.spiegel.de has one, but I don't see

  • Anonymous
    March 12, 2006
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    March 12, 2006
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  • Anonymous
    March 16, 2006
    Nice but how do u STOP IE7 opening another window when in other folders on system that doesn't have the IE7 look.

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