Talk to the IE team


On Thursday Feb 9th at 10:00AM PST there will be a public Expert Zone chat on Internet Explorer. The Expert Zone is a community of Windows enthusiasts and this is the Internet Explorer team’s turn to host a chat session. Members of the IE team will be available and ready to discuss Internet Explorer and of course the recent preview of beta 2 of IE7 is likely to be a hot topic. There is a limit on the number of people that the chat room can contain so unfortunately we cannot guarantee that everyone will be able to participate. Of course the team blog here is a great place to keep up to date on IE progress.

Thanks

– Dave

Comments (71)

  1. Anonymous says:

    "Microsoft.com Chat

    To view this specialized content, you are required to sign in with a Microsoft .NET Passport."

    Thanks, but no thanks.  

  2. Anonymous says:

    But if Google did it with:

    "Google.com Chat

    To view this specialized content, you are required to sign in with your Google account."

    you wouldn’t mind would you?

  3. Anonymous says:

    That sounds very exiting. Being a web developer I have a lot of questions about IE7.

  4. Anonymous says:

    where dit my comment go?? That thing they call the Internet is a strange place…

  5. Anonymous says:

    Something’s wrong with your browser detection in the Chat Room area:

    —-

    Sorry, There Was a Problem Loading the Chat Application.

       * Microsoft.com Chat is not currently compatible with your Internet browser and/or computer operating system.

    What You Need to Enjoy Microsoft.com Chat.

    You’ll need to install one of the following browsers to use Microsoft.com Chat.

       *      Internet Explorer 4.0 and later for Windows

         You can download the latest version for free at: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.asp

       *      Netscape 6.2 and later for Windows

         To find out more, go to: http://www.home.netscape.com

       *      Safari 1.2 and later for Mac

       *      Mozilla 1.7 and later for Windows

       *      Firefox .9 and later for Windows

    I have Firefox 1.5.0.1 on Windows XP.

    —-

    For some reason it works in IE7 B2 ‘Preview’.

  6. Anonymous says:

    "To view this specialized content, you are required to sign in with your Google account."

    you wouldn’t mind would you?"

    That’s an erroneous assumption.  Two wrongs…

  7. Anonymous says:

    Now I can ask my questions, this will be fun.  Have been in several chats, and have always been very useful.

    Thanks for the heads up.

  8. Rosyna says:

    I dunno, I find just commenting on this blog to be enough for me. Acknowledge me Dave… (see?)

    Although I cannot enter the chat room:

    Microsoft.com Chat is not currently compatible with your Internet browser and/or computer operating system.

  9. Nick Presta says:

    I wish I could be there to chat, since I want to learn and speak my mind about IE7 but I have school. I will try to get in on this, however.

  10. Dave Massy says:

    Hi everyone,

    We will be publishing a transcript of the chat for those who cannot make it. We’ll do our best to answer all the questions in the hour we have and if there is something that we don’t get to we’ll do our best to answer it here on the team blog later.

    Of course there are some things that we may not be able to have an exact answer to such as "Are you going to address xxxx in IE7?". There are some things we are confident we will get to in IE7 and some things we know are going to have to wait until a later release and there are also things that we are still evaluating as we go through all the valuable feedback we are receiving on the preview.

    Please keep in mind that anyone being disruptive will be blocked from the chat so that others can make the most of this time. Please be respectful of others, you can take a look at the code of conduct at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/chats/chatroom.aspx?ctl=hlp&lang=en-US

    This is likely to be a busy chat and a lot of fun.

    Thanks

    -Dave

  11. Anonymous says:

    We just announced a chat with the IE team on the team blog at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/02/07/526980.aspx

  12. Anonymous says:

    I think you should make IE7 Beta 3 Preview so that you can open folders in it and it will look like a Windows Vista Document Explorer (you know what I mean) instead of having it open in a new Explorer, like IE6, but different.

  13. Nick Presta says:

    Incase I don’t make the chat, one important question I must have answered would be:

    Do you plan on making annual, bi-annual, tri-annual, etc updates to IE7 or is this going to be a "release and forget" kind of application, kind of like IE in the past?

    Opera, Firefox, Safari, Konqueror all have methods of reporting bugs (from the public and visible to the public) which get dealt with relatively quickly. The four browsers mentioned above (OFSK) come out with a couple updates a year.

    Since you said some things can’t and won’t be put into IE7 due to time restrictions and such, do you think an update will occur _months_ later to add some features or fix some problems?

    If not, how much support will IE7 get?

    I hope that question can get answered either here or in the chat by developers.

    Thank you.

  14. Anonymous says:

    "The four browsers mentioned above (OFSK) come out with a couple updates a year.

    Since you said some things can’t and won’t be put into IE7 due to time restrictions and such, do you think an update will occur _months_ later to add some features or fix some problems?

    If not, how much support will IE7 get?"

    I second that.

  15. Anonymous says:

    Hi Nick & game kid,

    We are certainly aiming to get back to a regular and frequent release cycle after a gap of a few years since IE6. This is of course in addition to the continuous work the team does for critical updates made available on Windows update. Exactly how frequent is of course a little difficult to predict but we are as a team committed to moving the browser forward as quickly as we can.

    Thanks

    -Dave

  16. Anonymous says:

    Sadly, I probably will not be able to join this chat, but I did want to make one comment to Dave’s reply.

    A "regular and frequent release cycle" will be challenging in the face of forcing users to overwrite their previous version of IE every time a new one is released (beta or otherwise).  This will definitely affect the quality of your Beta cycles, since only the professional web developers have the resources to have one machine per IE version.

    Personally, I won’t consider upgrading to IE7 until it is officially released and I hear generally positive feedback from a wide variety of sources – and I know I’m not alone here.

    I hope the feedback you are getting for IE7 Beta 2 with respect to this issue means the IE team will be seriously looking at creating SUPPORTED STANDALONE VERSIONS of the browser in future iterations.  If Opera and Firefox can do it in a few megabytes, why can’t Internet Explorer?  

    Thanks for your time.

    Respectfully,

    Jeff Schiller

  17. Anonymous says:

    I will also miss the chat. Here are my main questions:

    1. Many developers have pleaded that IE7’s initial release should have full support for CSS2. Is it still possible for the initial release to be delayed in order to accomodate this request?

    2. How will IE7’s update system work? Will it be simple enough so that even those who are not too experienced with computers will be able to update without any hassles? This is important because if developmental features were added in a .5 release, many users would not even think to update from their old version, or not know how to, or not even know there was an update.

    3. How will IE7 be integrated into Windows? Wouldn’t IE7 being released on both XP and Vista force a reprieve from IE’s deep ties with the OS architechture? [My Windows OneCare Live software already won’t work with IE7’s beta release.] Is this a concern for the IE dev team?

  18. Anonymous says:

    Hi Avi,

    To take a stab at your questions:

    1. We have addressed the question of full CSS support previously. See http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/445242.aspx  Full CSS2.1 support is a great deal of work. No browser currently has full CSS2.1 compliance. That’s not to say that we do not recognise it is very important and it is a goal of future releases of IE. In IE7 we have been focusing on addressing the key concerns of web developers so that there is a robust set of functionality on which to rely. See the recent post at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/02/02/523679.aspx which discusses the significant work we doing in IE7.

    2. You can expect us to continue to focus on delivering a great upgrade experience for new versions of IE. That includes delivering features that will make for a compelling reason for user such as my Dad to upgrade as well as promoting the browser so that my Dad will be aware that a new version is available.

    3. The integration of IE into the operating system has also been discussed more than a few times :). IE7 does not change the fact that IE is a part of Windows and some functionality of Windows such as help as well as 3rd party applications rely on the functionality being present as part of the OS.  

    This is a preview of a beta of IE7 and issues should be expected. One reason for the preview is to give web developers as much notice as possible so that they can prepare their sites for IE7 and understand the changes that are coming. See http://msdn.microsoft.com/ie/ for articles such as http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/IETechCol/cols/dnexpie/ie7_css_compat.asp that help explain the changes. The preview also gives us an opportunity to identify bugs in the product and address them for final release.

    All the feedback is really appreciated so that we can prioritise the work we have to do to deliver a great product.

    Thanks

    -Dave

  19. Anonymous says:

    Why is internet explorer asking me whether I would like to enable AutoComplete after I’ve delete all browsing history?? Any other recognised this?

  20. Anonymous says:

    Avi Dude,

    No one is delaying Windows Vista or IE for a bunch of CSS weenies.

  21. Anonymous says:

    Doesnt work in Firefox… Typical. Have you not got any developers that can make cross browser web aps? I wont be there. You really need to start to open up.

  22. Anonymous says:

    @ Dave Massy

    Safari Passes the Acid 2 test! I think this equates to huge support of CSS 2.1!! You cant say that "No browser currently has full CSS2.1 compliance" because thats a ridiculous statement. CSS is the future of web developement, the only browser slowing down the internet at the moment is IE6. Lets hope for better things in IE7.

  23. Anonymous says:

    Hi Dave,

    I won’t be at this IE chat, but wanted to ask an IE specific question, if I may.

    Throughout this blog, I’ve seen many comments asking about multiple IE installs on a PC. However, I personally don’t believe that all these request are intended to refer to IE as a whole, but in fact just then rendering engine (which I believe is MSHTML.dll?) so that people who build web sites can simple see how their site is rendered in IE’s 6 and 7 (perhaps 5.5 still)

    I’m just curious if HTML / CSS / JavaScript rendering is all contained within this one dll, or if the rendering process is splt across multiple parts of IE / Windows’s core?

    If it is a case of just MSHTML being the dll that people need to view page rendering, then could a switch be considered for the IE web developer tool bar (as well as a copy of the MSHTML.dll file for each IE version)? Or is the whole thing a little more complicated that this?

    Personally, I see no reason for a full install of multiple IE’s, when my guess is that the rendering part of IE is all that people require.

    Apologies if this has already been covered, but this blog has seen a lot of new content over the last week, and it simply too much for me to keep up with.

    Regards,

    – Chris

  24. Anonymous says:

    "No one is delaying Windows Vista or IE for a bunch of CSS weenies."

    The Dude, CSS is the only reason every web designer wants to stab and burn IE6. If the first full release of IE7 isn’t up to scratch in CSS 2.1 support (no need to be 100%) then big problems will occur. It’s very important that the IE Team get the necessary CSS 2.1 support done and DONE the first time around. Otherwise there will be an extra version of IE to write hacks for.

  25. Anonymous says:

    Is there an ICS file for this chat so I can add it to Outlook?

  26. Anonymous says:

    Chris: you can get standalone versions of previous versions of IE at http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit/standalone. No install needed, just extract and run (lots of stuff in the UI might act weird, but just to test a site with the old rendering engine it works perfectly).

  27. Anonymous says:

    Want to speak your piece to the folks working on Internet Explorer 7? Here’s your chance: On Thursday Feb 9th at 10:00AM PST there will be a public Expert Zone chat on Internet Explorer. The Expert Zone is a community…

  28. Dave Massy says:

    Josef,

    We have tested the chat in recent versions of Firefox and it does work for us. Can you provide details of how it is not working for you and I’ll pass it on to the chat team to see what we can do.

    Thanks

    -Dave

  29. Anonymous says:

    "But if Google did it with:

    Google.com Chat

    To view this specialized content, you are required to sign in with your Google account.

    you wouldn’t mind would you?"

    Actually, Google Chat uses Jabber/XMPP, which is an open protocol that can be used freely by anyone. There exist numerous clients. So no, I wouldn’t mind.

  30. Anonymous says:

    I’m not going to make the chat session, so I’ll post my question here, I hope that’s alright with you guys.

    I’ve heard a lot about how the CSS implementation will be improved, which sounds very nice. But how’s the status on XHTML? I understand that IE6 only accepts text/html, even though the most correct MIME-type for XHTML documents is application/xhtml+xml. I also think there are other problems with the current implementation.

    What are your plans with XHTML? Will you further support it?

    Next on my list is this: Do you plan to support at least some of CSS 2.1? I know it’s only a Candidate Recommendation, but if you read the definitions on the W3C site, it’s stated that RC’s *are* meant for recommendation – a specification only becomes a Recommendation *after* it has been implemented by several vendors.

  31. Anonymous says:

    *********************************************

             Browser Detection is Busted

    *********************************************

    Just signed up for a MS Passport, to enter this chat. (note: I did not want to do this, but this one time, I will throw my good sense out the window so that I can talk to the IE Devs.)

    What annoyed me though, was once I signed in, the Chat page tells me that Firefox 1.5 is not a valid browser to "Enjoy" a Microsoft Chat.

    After I stopped laughing at the Irony of the page (and took a screenshot to use as my wallpaper)

    I read further, to realize that it is *SUPPOSED* to be supported, but obviously the Browser detection is flawed. (not even going to go into the… "You should know by now, that browser detection is evil speach…"

    So, What’s up? It is Wednesday now. Will this be fixed by Tomorrow?

    *********************************************

  32. Anonymous says:

    I would really love an OPML import (and export, but this is less important) feature for importing RSS feeds from my current reader application. Is this something we can expect for the IE 7 release?

  33. Rosyna says:

    Yes, the browser protection is busted. It also lists my browser as being unsupported and then in the list of supported browsers, clearly lists the browser I use.

    Also, don’t use what other browsers don’t support in CSS as an excuse to not support it. That’s never a good thing.

  34. Anonymous says:

    No wonder there are login issues!

    Rule #1 of HTML (SGML, XML, etc.)

    If you open a tag, you need to close it.

    (I’m not even talking about tags that don’t have a matching close tag, we’re talking about the opening tag isn’t even closed!)

    <table …attributes… <next tags/>…</table>

    Not even a closing ‘>’ on the table open tag!

    I would think that even Front Page would catch an error like that.

  35. Dave Massy says:

    Can those people who cannot access the chat room please let us know the exact browser and version they are using along with details of the Operating System. Also visit http://www.fiddlertool.com/useragent.aspx and let us know the User Agent string being reported there. The chat team has been working to let recent browsers access the chat room and will want to know the problems.

    Thanks

    -Dave

  36. Dave Massy says:

    Sven asked "Is there an ICS file for this chat so I can add it to Outlook?"

    Yes. Follow the link in the post http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/chats/default.mspx and you’ll see a link there to an ics file against each of the scheduled chats. In the case of the IE chat it is http://www.microsoft.com/communities/chats/vcs/06_0209_EZ_ie.ics

    Thanks

    -Dave

  37. Anonymous says:

    ————-[quote]————-

    Rule #1 of HTML (SGML, XML, etc.)

    If you open a tag, you need to close it.

    (I’m not even talking about tags that don’t have a matching close tag, we’re talking about the opening tag isn’t even closed!)

    ————-[/quote]————-

    HTML 4.01 does not require closing tags. The above would be a rule of XHTML, XML and the like.

    Anyways, in addition to my above question (which was answered, briefly), what is the reason for not having CSS2(.1) – even 80% of it? Is it the timeframe you have, knowledge and workload or what? I don’t mean to put any of the dev. team down as they’re doing a great job but if Opera, Konqueror, Firefox, iCab and Safari can have a good amount of CSS2.1, what is stopping IE7?

    Keep up the good work, guys.

  38. Anonymous says:

    Mozilla Firefox 1.5 on WinXP:

    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111 Firefox/1.5.0.1

    Opera 8.51 on WinXP:

    Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en) Opera 8.51

    Neither one of the above works.

    (I realize that Opera isn’t in the list of supported browsers, but it useually reports as "MSIE", and supports all the typical Web Standard DOM manipulation stuff (e.g. It should work, and will only not work if the developer has specifically filtered it out (bad), or mis-read it as a pure legacy IE browser)

  39. Anonymous says:

    Hi Dave,

    I have posted some screenshots for the development team to show them the problems i am getting when trying to access the chatroom using firefox version 1.5.0.1

    Here: http://burninthespotlight.com/iebug/chat_problem2.jpg

    http://burninthespotlight.com/iebug/chat_problem3.jpg

    Thanks, cause id like to view the chat, but its not working for me.

  40. Anonymous says:

    @nick.

    True, HTML 4.01 does not require closing tags on *all* elements, however, if a web developer opens a tag, that has a close tag. e.g. table, div, b, i, u, script,… pretty much all of em except br, hr, and img.

    Then, yes, the closing tag, may not be "required", but you would be a fool, not to add one.  If I was to create a woefully malformed SGML document, I would hardly be able to *expect* a browser to render it correctly.  If the browser does render it, great, but it is the web developers responsibility to at least do their best to send in valid, logical markup.

  41. Dave Massy says:

    Nick asked "Anyways, in addition to my above question (which was answered, briefly), what is the reason for not having CSS2(.1) – even 80% of it? Is it the timeframe you have, knowledge and workload or what? I don’t mean to put any of the dev. team down as they’re doing a great job but if Opera, Konqueror, Firefox, iCab and Safari can have a good amount of CSS2.1, what is stopping IE7?"

    Some of the work to support full CSS2.1 requires some architectural changes to how the rendering engine handles layout and there has simply not been time to undertake that in the IE7 release.  Rather than take a lot longer to release a browser that was fully supportive of CSS2.1 we felt it much more useful to the web development community if we addressed the most egregious issues as soon as we could along with support for CSS2.1 functionality that web developers have been requesting such as fixed positioning and selectors support. We engaged with body’s such as the Web Standards Project and some of the 3rd party sites to confirm that this was the best approach. Have we got more work to do? Yes. You can expect us to continue to improve support for CSS and other standard recommendations in future releases. The updates to CSS support in IE7 outlined at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/02/02/523679.aspx are clearly a significant step forward in responding to the demands of web developers.

    On the issue of other browsers accessing the chat room I can assure you that the chat team is aware of and actively working on the issue at this time.

    Thanks

    -Dave

  42. Anonymous says:

    Thank you for a response. I know you will follow through with post-release support.

    =)

  43. Dasher says:

    Hiya,

    Any reason the Windows XP Pro x64 users were excluded from the Beta 2?

    Dasher

  44. Dave Massy says:

    Dasher asked "Any reason the Windows XP Pro x64 users were excluded from the Beta 2?"

    Even though the builds are all built from the same codebase there are some differences and additional testing is involved in making preview releases available so that the feedback is useful. For this preview of beta 2 of IE7 we concentrated on making a build available for XP SP2 as soon as we could to get some early feedback. You can expect to see an x64 build available in a later preview.

    Thanks

    -Dave

  45. Dave Massy says:

    Can those people who were having problems accessing the chat room in FF please let me know if you still cannot get in?

    We’d like to confirm that the issue has been addressed now.

    Thanks

    -Dave

  46. Anonymous says:

    Correct me if I am wrong in saying this.

    Internet Explorer CAN be run as a stand-alone browser by editing a few files that are inside the installer. It behaves like almost every browser on the market and is not integrated into the OS.

  47. Dave Massy says:

    Fiery,

    We’ve already discussed this extensively on other posts here. Although it CAN be done it is unsupported as we cannot guarantee it will work for every scenario.

    There are plenty of things I CAN do but that does not mean I SHOULD do them if I wish to have a reliable system.

    It’d be great to have questions in the chat tomorrow that haven’t already been readily answered on the team blog 🙂

    Thanks

    -Dave

  48. ieblog says:

    Fiery Kitsune,

    When someone does this, they wind up pulling DLL files from multiple locations. Eric Lawrence has discussed this a bit in comments here. It creates a "Frankenbrowser" that is some of IE7 and some of IE6. It isn’t a good idea.

    – Al Billings [MSFT]

  49. Anonymous says:

    I can now access the Chatroom using Firefox v 1.5.0.1

    Thanks for the quick turn around, hopefully ill be at the chat to ask some questions other than ones already asked. Thats if im awake! Since i live in England… cheers mate.

  50. Anonymous says:

    Sorry!!  But now another bug has occurred.. i dont see any users in the user list on the right hand side, even though i know there are well over 25 users, but it only shows 1 user. Any ideas??? Sorry to be a pain, but might as well help you guys get the chat working full in FF1.5.0.1 HUH 🙂

  51. straight_up says:

    "CSS Weenies"!!!

    You act like it’s too much to bring IE in line with every other browser on the planet for the next major IE release!

  52. Dave Massy says:

    Thanks for the report Josef.

    I’ve just confirmed with the chat team that this is a bug where only users who enter the chat room after you show in the list. They are investigating but it is unlikely to be fixed for tomorrow’s chat. Hopefully this won’t prevent you from participating tomorrow. As I said earlier there is a limit on the number of people who can attend so that the chat remains both responsive and manageable. Hopefully those that want to will be able to participate.

    Thanks

    -Dave

  53. Anonymous says:

    DMassy

    "I’ve just confirmed with the chat team that this is a bug where only users who enter the chat room after you show in the list. They are investigating but it is unlikely to be fixed for tomorrow’s chat. "

    Why not use plain old IRC?*

    *Rhetorical question

  54. Anonymous says:

    In case I’m not on the chat today, I’d like to address two pretty annoying behaviors of IE7b2:

    1. When the page load is complete and IE doesn’t have focus at that time, it regains it.

    2. When I type in an address to load in a tab, press enter, switch to other tabs and go back to see if the page is there, and it’s not, address bar contains about:blank or whatever previous address there was. So if I open a few tabs, try to open up some websites in them, if I lose the internet connection for some reason, all I’m left there are the about:blank addresses. Really annoying.

    Otherwise, great stuff. Opera 9 TP 2 is tempting but IE7b2 wins so far. 😉

  55. Anonymous says:

    Again, as I won’t be in the chat, could I ask what the IE teams view / goal is regarding scalable images in general (the only one I know of is SVG)?

    I only ask because having just use the page zoom feature, which I think is a fantasic addition, I’m cruious if you plan to implement any scaleable image rendering, so that web pages as a whole can be fully zoomed, reduced without any bluriness, and such like, making page sizes and such a lesser problem when it comes to web sites.

    Thanks.

  56. Anonymous says:

    Oh, and Sven Groot, thanks for that link.

  57. Anonymous says:

    Dasher – to be more explicit, our recent release was NOT Beta 2. It was a *preview* of Beta 2. Most people seem to get that confused. Our Preview was for XPSP2 32-bit only.

    It’s our intention to have Beta 2 support additional platforms & architectures.

    -Christopher

  58. Anonymous says:

    I’m off to an interview.  Would like the IE team to know that Hotmail editor does not work correctly in IE7.   After a few paragraphs, you cannot backspace over text you want to replace.  If you hilite text and try to delete it, sometimes it might work, sometimes it won’t.  I use Hotmail accounts to gain access to email from recruiters when I’m at a public kiosk or coffee shop, so it’s been frustrating writing responses in Notepad and pasting them into the message box.

    Other than that, looks to be a great product.

  59. gorm_b@hotmail.com says:

    Greetings, great product!

    Q: Any changes on the ClearType-issue? (looks like changing the IE-control based programs for ever and IE by default to use ClearType "geometric" anti-aliasing that I don’t like)?

    Q: Why can’t I have an ANSI-document in an IFRAME inside a UNICODE-document any more?

    Q: Why the powerful degradation at the moment I break xhtml (looks like a totally different rendering-engine

    Q: Why did you take away the table height 100%? I used half a day implementing this "div height 100% + following xhtml strictly".

    Q: Why is the default behaviour to open links in new windows (not tabs like in beta 1)?

    Q: Why is my testpage http://62.89.36.69/g/g.html suddenly suspicious (is IE download control banned)?

    why, why, why… sorry about that, I love the new look and you have made UI so easy, so I feel I was hard on you, that was not my intention, the product looks incredible!

    Gorm Braarvig

  60. gorm_b@hotmail.com says:

    Hi again, I forgot

    GREAT ideas:

    – Menu hidden and toggled with ALT-key

    – The quick tabs

    Bug found(?)

    MS JScript runtime error; "Can’t execute code from a freed script"

    in anonymous residing in "blogger.com/js/backlink.js"

    activated from "http://gormjournal.blogspot.com&quot;

    trusted site referenced: searchpalette.com

    script:

    function BL_addOnLoadEvent(func) {

     var oldonload = window.onload;

     if (typeof window.onload != ‘function’) {

       window.onload = func;

     } else {

       window.onload = function() {

    /*FAILS*/      oldonload();

         func();

       }

     }

    }

    Gorm

  61. Anonymous says:

    CSS 2 in IE7? Is the world going crazy?

    Do someone really thinks that CSS-formatting is the future of Web? Dude, someone played a cruel joke on you – CSS formatting is the PAST. While present is AJAX. And nearest future is <canvas> and SVG. I’d ask about the status of <canvas>/SVG support implementation in IE7 but afraid that I will not have time to join the chat…

    So IE7 still will not going to accomodate to the past of Web? And at the same time, instead of hastily trying to bring the IE to the where-the-competitors-were-two-years-ago, IE designers are implementing search panels, RSS and others bells and whistles? Hmm, then I have only one advice: try to improve the IE integrated downloader. Put all the forces into the downloader, and nothing more. The users will REALLY need it.

  62. __hAl__ says:

    I was at the chat.

    Nice to see so many MS teammembers being present and managing to answer a lot of the 200+ questions asked.

    Not many new information though but I wasn’t really expection that either as a lot of info is already out there.

    Quite a few question about a absence of a download manager. Something that could get in in future versions.

    Also quite a few about add-ons for IE7. People seem to want more info on how to build add-ons and where to find add-ons that block commercial content. IE7 will have a bit more for add-ons than previous versions (I think the detection method was quoted as an example) but I hope someone from the team will ad an article on the blog about it as I have not seem much info about addons on this blog yet.

    Off course a whole lot of CSS question but nothing new. The much debated min/max:height stuff is still a possibility but not a certainty for the final version.

  63. Anonymous says:

    I downloaded the latest version IE 7 beta and I have had nothing but trouble. I has a lot of issues with JS. I wish you guys incorporated a JS console so I can see what erros occur. It is so annoying when I try to debug my code.

    And I decide to uninstall it and oohhh no I doesn’t want to go off my system.

    Does any body have any suggestions how I can get IE 6 back on my machine

  64. Anonymous says:

    I recently installed IE7 as I am developing webpages for a university project using XML.

    All the pages with the .XHTML extension do not display in IE yet display fine in Firefox.

    I cant see why this is.  Is there something I should be doing with the settings of IE so that I can display pages with the .xhtml extension.

    Help

  65. Dave Massy says:

    Alex,

    Internet Explorer does not currently support XHTML. It will support well formed HTML but strict XTHML parsing is not currently supported. That is something for a future release.

    Thanks

    -Dave

  66. Anonymous says:

    Would be cool for the context (right-click) menu to contain a "Recent  >" twig between the "Back" and "Forward" actions.

  67. Denn!s H says:

    Hi

    Installed IE7B2 and now i can’t login to my MS Money 2005.

    Tried to install Trail MC Money 2006, but i only works when I login as Admnistrator.

  68. Anonymous says:

    IE 7 Beta 2 seems to not like flash 8.

    I’ve open 6 tabs that have flash 8 in the site and IE crashed.

    Will there be a fix for this?

  69. Anonymous says:

    As announced on the IE team blog at