A New Look for IE


Hello, I’m Max Stevens, and I recently joined the IE team as a Program Manager working on the user experience. In anticipation of our next major pre-release of IE, I’d like to give an overview of some of the great work we’ve done in the UI, especially a lot of the progress we’ve made since Beta 1. For more in depth looks at specific features mentioned here, Jeremy, Aaron, Jane and others will be posting soon.

Main Browsing UI

One of the most obvious changes since Beta 1 is in the toolbar area. We focused on building a smaller, more compact UI that exposes only the most commonly used features, saving space for the content and tab areas. Here’s a screen shot:

Main Browsing Menu

Overall, the key is how the graphics have been cleaned up:

  • The forward and backward buttons are now visually grouped with updated colours to increase contrast and pop out a little better.
  • We heard the feedback on the stop button – the stop button is now back!
  • The refresh and go buttons have been combined and is now grouped with the stop button to the right of the address bar.
  • Favourites have been moved to the left hand side under the forward back buttons, with “Add new favourite” now easily accessible from the main frame.
  • Tabs have seen many improvements, among them that it’s much easier to see which tab is currently active.

Menus

The Command Bar, which appears to the right of the tabs area, is the new main interface to all of IE’s functionality. With it we have built a new command interface that focuses on getting the common tasks done quickly. The top level buttons include:

  • A new home page menu to make it easy to manage your homepage tab group.
  • A printing menu. Printing and print preview has been much improved, including a new “shrink to fit” option – no more wide pages that are cut off when printed!
  • Feed discovery. This button lights up to show a feed has been discovered for the current webpage. This is just one of the many new features added to feeds.

Command Bar

With the Command Bar providing the common browsing commands, we hid the File/Edit/View menu by default. With only two rows of UI elements on by default, the webpage area is maximized vertically to allow you to see as much of the webpage as possible. If you’re used to the old menu structure and wish to display them, it’s easily done either by navigating Tools->Toolbars->Classic Menu, or by simply tapping the “Alt” key. Responding to feedback from you, it now appears above the tabs.

The traditional menus will appear by default if, when you install the Beta 2 Preview, you had a toolbar installed in IE 6. You can still customize the positioning of these toolbars with the File/Edit/View menus, although they cannot at the moment share the same horizontal row as the command bar. If you find the File/Edit/View menu on by default after installing IE 7, I encourage you to hide them and try out the Command Bar!

File/Edit/View

Search

The search box has undergone many improvements from Beta 1, including our new search discovery capability. Similar to feed discovery, sites can now advertise search providers, making it much easier for users to perform searchs on sites straight from the IE frame without first having to navigate to that site. An upcoming post will provide details on how sites can advertise their own search, but in the mean time you can get a list of search providers you might want to install from here.

Search

Favourites Center

New since Beta 1 is the Favourites Center:

Favourites Center

This is a single location where you can access all of your favourites, RSS feeds, and browsing history. It expands out for quick access, or can be pinned in place for frequent access. One great feature here is the ability to quickly open an entire folder of favourites or feeds as a group of tabs – just click on the blue arrow next to the folder name.

Quick Tabs

Another really cool feature added since Beta 1, Quick Tabs displays thumbnails of each open tab allowing for fast switching amongst them.

Quick Tabs

Tab Improvements

The user experience for tabs has been improved in many ways. For example, we acted on feedback from you to add a close button directly on the tab itself.

Tab Improvements

My Favourite Feature

What’s my favourite feature in the new IE?  I’m an old Office hound myself, and so I really love to see Zoom. Available from the bottom right of the main browse window, this acts like it does in Word or Excel – it enlarges or reduces the entire page (text and graphics) to a specific zoom setting.

Zoom

There are many changes we’ve made since Beta 1 and we’re always looking to hear feedback on what you think, so as you start to become familiar with the new look and read a little bit more in depth about the UI changes in coming days, please keep the feedback coming, eh? 

 – Max

PS Seeing as how I’m from Canada, I’m still trying to get the mis-spelling of the word “favourite” throughout the product fixed. Perhaps for our Beta 2 release.

Comments (387)

  1. Anonymous says:

    Hi Max,

    I installed IE7 last night, and I’m loving it.

    I’m a big user of Alt+A to get to my favourites, and I was pleased to see that that shortcut still works … except it still uses the old menu structure rather than the new Favorites Center. Is there away to make the Favorites Center a bit more keyboard-accessible?

  2. Anonymous says:

    So far so good!

  3. Anonymous says:

    What is the reasoning behind diverging from common GUI conventions? Usability principles tell us that our interfaces should be consistent and appeal to the knowledge the user is likely to know. If you go against these principles, you should have a good reason for it. For instance, not only do you hide the menubar (and then replicate it with toolbar buttons with pull-down menus), when it is unhidden it’s not at the top of the window. Both of these goes against years of user expectation and experience. And for what benefit? It doesn’t appear to give any obvious usability advantages. I know this won’t be the final interface but, in my option, it looks like the interface is being changed with little thought about usability and making change for changes sake.

  4. Anonymous says:

    Anyone notice that IE7 sticks a ton of whitespace above the first picture in the blog?

  5. Anonymous says:

    My own personal thoughts:

    Don’t do a Media Player, just put the File/Edit back in its rightful place. It’s not innovative, and I don’t see a reason for breaking UI conventions.

    Put the Stop and Refresh together with the forward back. All of these buttons are often used in combinations together.

    Make the Stop button look like a stop button, not a close button.

    Command bar is another new UI element for mom and pop to deal with. Please don’t do an Office either! πŸ˜‰

    But apart from that, nice…

  6. Anonymous says:

    Just wanted to say the IE 7 is very good, but not great, yet. It would be great if all portions of the toolbar were moveable. Also, I always use the links bar and I would like to request that is doesn’t disappear in full-screen.

  7. Anonymous says:

    I always considered stop and refresh to be part of the web browsers navigation (as well as ‘home’). Is there any chance that IE will allow users to place those buttons back to positions which they were placed in IE6. I can understand that you are trying to simplify, but it is really a turn off for people accustomed to the traditional button layout.

  8. Anonymous says:

    @Dark Phoenix "Anyone notice that IE7 sticks a ton of whitespace above the first picture in the blog?"

    This only happens when the window isn’t wide enough to show the sidebar and the image side-by-side… the image gets "pushed" down to under the sidebar.

  9. Anonymous says:

    Mr. Hammond has a good point about the menubar.

    Also, In my opinion space is being wasted on top still. I’m not a big fan of tabbed browsing so I have it disabled. What i’m left with is the oversized address box on top and the 2nd line beneath with favorites, add/subscribe and the button drop downs. If I could i’d make the address box resizable horizontally and allow for the 2nd row to be dragged up and docked on the right side after the address/search boxes and locked. Also, forward and back buttons should be an option at this point. I and i’m sure plenty others have a five button ms intellimouse, by default buttons 4/5 navigate me back/forth. I don’t need the buttons too.

    Otherwise, It looks pretty nice and I agree on the zoom feature πŸ™‚ What’s funny is I’ve been using IE since it’s inception and just recently I learned about holding ctrl and rolling the mouse wheel to change font size!(and now zoom πŸ™‚ )

  10. Anonymous says:

    Yes, lets just forget doing anything adventurous, or inovative because it goes against "common GUI conventions". :rolleyes: I forget, that is why FireFox has so many extensions to customize the UI.

    Now for my review: Awesome.

    Cookie Management: Awesome

    Quick Tabs: Very Very Cool

    UI: Good (could be better), but thanks for removing the useless buttons 95% of users never touch.

    Needs Work: Tab management. Suggestion 1: add Close Tab to right click. Suggestion 2: Better Navigation through…..GESTURES GESTURES GESTURES! πŸ˜‰

  11. Anonymous says:

    What the heck happened to the email icon in the toolbar, I and many others I’m sure would like to be able to access our Outlook Express email from any webpage we may happen to be at, other than that IE 7 is nice but does have a ways to go before its ready for primetime.

  12. Anonymous says:

    The new UI is pretty frustrating. First, the UI should be entirely customizeable, just like every other browser on the market already is.

    2nd, the "classic menu" should not be done away with. Every single widely used application has the menu on the top, IE should too. I couldn’t find it at all until I installed the Developer toolbar, which for some reason turned the "classic menu" on when it was turned on.

    3rd, I’ve always hated this about IE, when I remove a favorite, give me an option to stop that stupid dialogue asking me if I’m SURE I want to remove it. That message get REALLY old after deleting just 3 favorites.

    4th, as mentioned above, the stop button looks wierd. I had no idea what it was until I read Ross’ comment above. Why not just combine it with the refresh button, since you never need the two at the same time, and put it next to the Forward and Back buttons like we’re used to?

    5th, and this is for the Web Developer Toolbar developers, why is that toolbar a fixed width, and why does that fixed width contain so much empty space on the right? The toolbar should act like all other IE toolbars, when there’s not enough room the menu’s should dissappear and be available from the little double arrow menu.

    Thanks for the improved css support though! :first-child seems to finally be working!

  13. Anonymous says:

    how come google is not on your list of search providers πŸ˜›

  14. Anonymous says:

    First impressions of IE7 UI is that it looks like it was put together as an afterthought.The menubar location is just plain annoying and I can see absolutely no reason for it being where it is. I prefer the IE6 interface although IE isnt my primary browser. The anti-phishing site checking slowed down browsing on a dial-up connection to painful levels(Yes I did switch it off). Overall there was nothing that I have seen at this stage that is a standout feature that would make me change back from my current browser.

  15. Anonymous says:

    The Good…

    – The pictures of the stop/go/refresh buttons are a good idea.

    – The tab preview kicks some major ass.

    – You folks added some other cool features that can be accessed from the GUI.

    – TAB features are visibly present (and will actually be used by the common person) versus Firefox’s default GUI (insert Carlos Mencia du-du-duh sound here).

    – X button on each TAB, thank you!

    – Cross browser consistency with RSS feed icon.

    The Bad…

    – Top to bottom English reading and writing suggests the website I am visiting has precedence over my browser.

    – Inability to move most of the GUI features besides the on/off toggle.

    The Ugly…

    – Absolutely NO consistency!

    – Consolidate people!

    Time for some mad paint skills to help give some focus on the GUI layout…

  16. Anonymous says:

    First off, kudos for working with my IE toolbar plugin. πŸ™‚

    I’ll toss my hat in on the Refresh/Stop buttons – they should be next to Back/Forward.

    I like the dropdown arrow next to Back/Forward, but it took me a minute to figure out what the menu was showing me. It seems like some label is needed there to distinguish it from the list of tabs.

    The way that the controls are spread out (not just Refresh/Stop, but everything) seems counter-productive to me. Some browser controls are in the top-left, some in the top-right, some to the left of the tabs, some to the right of the tabs… I’d prefer to have the tabs on their own row, with nothing else (except maybe the quick tabs button). Then have the toolbars currently on the tab row in their own row. That would make 3 rows of widgets instead of 2, but I think it’s worth it because I get a lot of use out of the tabs, and want to have them separated from the other toolbars.

    I don’t find the way the Favorites Center shows feeds useful. I like FF’s system, where a feed is a submenu in Bookmarks that has one item per feed entry. The current system, where a Feed bookmark takes you to a page that shows everything, isn’t how I ever would read a blog.

    Being able to reorder tabs by dragging (like in FF 1.5) would be nice. πŸ˜‰

  17. Anonymous says:

    Tried turning off themes… the interface and tabs looks really ugly.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Hey guys, overall I’m impressed with what I’ve seen of IE 7 so far.

    I just wanted to echo several of the comments seen seen so far and add a few of my own.

    * The stop button should be a stop sign, or at least a page with an "X" like the IE6 icon. As it is, the X does look like "Close" instead of "Stop".

    * Let us move the toolbars and address bar. Right now I have a huge wasted space between the tabs and the new toolbar where the classic menus could sit.

    * Thank you for separating Stop and Refresh buttons.

    * Give us more flexibility with the "Send this page" option. Right now, with Outlook at least, it brings the contents of the HTML into the new message. Not good for several reasons. First, it usually mucks up the design. Second, I almost always want to send a PLAIN TEXT LINK, especially for pages with query parameters (aka http://url?page=something). How about making a submenu for "Send this page" with two options: "Send a link to this page in an e-mail" and "Send the contents of this page in an e-mail"?

    * Quick Tabs is a cool feature, but the images look strange sometimes. For example, look at the MSN home page in this view; some of the images are stretched, cut off, etc.

    All in all, great work. Especially kudos for following a number of standards and working with Mozilla, A9, and others. Can’t wait to see future builds!

  19. Anonymous says:

    Ditto to Neil Hammond’s comment. Is this how applications are going to work in Vista? If so, why? I can appreciate updating a UI for usability, but changing things just to look "fresh and innovative" doesn’t appeal to the users in your largest market (corporate users). Stick with what’s expected, at least on the WinXP version. I suppose you can break the rules in Vista if you want, but someone remind the UI people that consistency with legacy UIs should be a higher priority than copying [insert competing product]’s features or appearance. Maybe the marketing people are saying otherwise, but all the marketing in the world can’t make a cheap imitation into a great product.

  20. Anonymous says:

    First, thanks for all the hard work you are putting into this new version of IE.

    There are somethings that I would like to be a bit different in the layout though of the UI.

    I am fine with you hiding the menubar, but when it is unhidden it would be nice if it went to the top or at least gave a person the option to move it to the top. For me it "breaks" the feel of the browser. Navbigation, url, tabs go to gether, putting the menu between them just doesn’t feel right, but I may grow use to it after some time who knows πŸ™‚

    Next is the spliting of the back/foward and the refresh/stop. Trying new things is good, but if you want to use a combination of these buttons it takes more mouse motion.

    I personally feel that as many of the controls as possible should be near each other, esp. if people may want to use them together.

    For those who want a one button click close, use your MIDDLE(scroll) button. (If you have mouse softwareinstall, for example logitech mouseware, you may have to change a setting to get the scroll click to work correctly as a middle button but it is not hard to fix) This works in IE7 and in Firefox. The r-button should and does bring up a context menu in both.

    I knew what the stop button was, but after reading the comments and looking at it, I do agree that it looks more like the window close button, and may cause some people to not realize what it is.

  21. Anonymous says:

    1. Please put the Feeds icon to the right of the plus sign for adding Favorites.

    2. Please put stop and refresh back by the Back/Forward buttons, same order as in IE6.

    3. Please let us adjust the search field width.

    3. Why isn’t the IE 7 icon on the Start Menu consistent with the look everywhere else?

    5. Please make the stop button actually look like a "Stop" button, not a "Close" button.

    6. OK, consistency. WHY is it that the new search icon in IE 7 is a blue background with a silver/gray magnifiying glass, while the Search Icon On the Windows toolbar has a yellowish handle, while the new Windows Desktop Search Enterprise tool has a blue handle with a silver tip, while in Outlook 2003, the search icon magnifying glass has an icon resembling that of the Start Menu? Sigh…, for Search to start working as it should for the average user, shouldn’t you stick to a common theme?

    7. Also, when I middle click something from the Favorites Center, please let the floating pane stay open until the mouse leaves the region. Chances are quite good that someone who is middle clicking a Feed or Favorite is going to click some more πŸ˜€

    8. Keep up the good work, I’m sure that just a few more tweaks could make this a phenomenal release….

  22. Anonymous says:

    Innovative, but unfortunately very chaotic at the same time.

    And knowing some people’s (well, myself included) browsing customs β€” we absolutely need all the space we can get on the monitor for the tabs.

    Please make sure the GUI can be fully customised, and especially that the tab row can be made less cluttered with buttons.

  23. Typhoon87 says:

    As a user I need to either be able to customize or make my UI and toolbars look like IE 6. Also comes the issue that some of the buttons and ui look of IE 7 public beta look too much like they belong in VISTA. Yes I know vista is the next version of windows and so on but the XP version should look like it belongs in XP not like it was just kind of ripped and ported from Vista. And of course in vista it looks fine but with royale or luna it looks to out of place.

  24. Anonymous says:

    > @Dark Phoenix "Anyone notice that IE7 sticks a ton of > whitespace above the first picture in the blog?"

    > This only happens when the window isn’t wide enough to > show the sidebar and the image side-by-side… the

    > image gets "pushed" down to under the sidebar.

    My resolution was 1024 by 768. I’m not sure if it’s really a float issue or not..

  25. Anonymous says:

    Whats happened to the "temporary Internet" folder. I have always put it in C:. In "tools" it shows it there but it’s not. A search shows it clear down about 4 layers under "default user". When I try to move it in "Tools" back to C: nothing happens. In properties on the folder it has a blanked out hidden checked.

  26. Anonymous says:

    1. The tabs & quick tabs are great.

    2.The scroll bar in quick tabs view still has the old Windows 95 look!!!!

    3.The stop button looks like the close buttun which is really wiered & it might confuse some users.

    4.since you have the semi-menu-toolbar combo on the right corner you might as well add all the fuctionality there and remove the menus COMPLETELY.The Office teal has Done a good job with the menus but it looks like you guys can’t seem to make up your mind. With the current config (toolbar menu and the hidden traditional menu)it’s really confusing to find some command witch are only in the HIDDEN menu

    5.Some icons looks "glass" some look like "XP" some icons have boarders and some dont.Please try to use a consistant UI.(theme the icons?)

    6.It’s a great browser and I’ve already dumped firefox!!

  27. Edge says:

    JPEG is evil for screenshots. Always use PNG/24 (that is, truecolor PNG, not the palletized 8-bit PNG); your screenshots will look better, and your readers will have an easier time viewing your content. You’ll thank me later!

    That is all. =)

  28. Anonymous says:

    Wow, just how many PM’s are there in the IE team? I think you guys have done a good job with this release of IE. Leaving the stop, refresh buttons alone was a good thing, and you managed to make the Go button dissapear at the same time πŸ™‚ Though I don’t use IE besides at work this is a good thing, and hopefully Opera and Firefox can gain some insights too (rather than the other way around).

  29. Anonymous says:

    I absolutely love the "sticky" favourites! I really appreciate the fact I can remove the Links toolbar and leave the important links folder open in my favourites. I can then close the Favorites Center, open it, go to RSS, etc. and come back to my favourites and the same directory is still open. Lovin’ it!

    Keep up the good work!

  30. Anonymous says:

    I’d love to see favourite spelt correctly. I think the part that annoys me the most about Microsoft products, is the use of US English! (Coming from Australia myself)

    -Nel

  31. Anonymous says:

    Two things:

    1. I wish the Refresh button was next to the forward/back buttons. I often use these buttons in combination, and now I have to move the mouse across the entire application. Any way you could let me place those buttons?

    2. Tabs. I wish there was an option to auto-refresh the content when I click on one. I find it bothersome to select Refresh from the drop down menu and more importantly I find myself doing it almost every time I click a tab.

  32. Anonymous says:

    To be honest, completely unimpressed with the lack of configurability with the toolbars. Why not give us the ability to move absolutely everything? Doesn’t it make sense for the arrows and stop/refresh to all be in the same place instead of having to move your mouse miles?

    Sure it all looks pretty, but functionality is completely lost.

  33. Anonymous says:

    Customizability is the key word. Not just what icons you can select for toolbar X or Y.

    – Add or remove any toolbar. If I don’t want that new menu, let me remove it. If I don’t want the search box, let me remove it. And so on.

    – Move any toolbar anywhere (except tabs). If I want to move something up, or down, let me do it. If I want to put the classic menu back at top, let me do it. If I want to put the address bar just above the tabs, let me do it. So on and so forth.

    – Nothing should be lined up with the tabs. Maybe it is just me, but nothing should be on the same line as the tabs including that new menu. OR just the new menu should not be there. See first point about not being able to remove most things.

    – The top corners of the tabs need rounding, because they are not with Windows Classic. Just a stickler for detail.

  34. Anonymous says:

    I’m glad to see some improvements in IE 7, but there are still some things that need work.

    I hate to be mean, but I already dispise your new UI.

    First off, the command bar is virtually useless. You say it’s simplified because it has less options…

    I say it breaks the normal UI for every webbrowser since the beginning.

    PUT BACK THE MENUS BY DEFAULT, AND PLACE THEM RIGHT BELOW THE TITLE BAR OF THE WINDOW.

    And make <em>everything</em> draggable. The user should be able to reorder things.

    Allow the user to turn off the command bar. No, no, no. Just get rid of the command bar completely. It’s a new interface that adds tons of confusion.

    I also want an entire line for my tabs to span across, without having some element like the command bar in the way.

    ABOVE ALL, DO NOT deliver a better browser under the hood than IE 6 with a worse UI, that can’t be tweaked to accomodate the user’s layout preferences.

  35. Anonymous says:

    I’ve realized some things I forgot to add.

    First, the tab thumbnails is the <em>coolest</em> thing in the UI. It’s a very nice feature.

    Now back to my disappoints.

    As everybody’s saying, the buttons need to be grouped together. The arrows, home, the refresh and stop.

    I do not understand the way the drop down arrows are showing next to the big Back and Forward arrows. I should have little arrows for both Back and Forward. I’m only seeing one small black arrow, next to the Forward button. This is very confusing.

    You’ve GOT to allow for tabs to be dragged and dropped, to reorder them. Otherwise, organizing the tabs you have open can be extremely frustrating!

  36. Anonymous says:

    What’s new for developers?It would be nice to provide some easy to write code for making IE toolbars and Bands

  37. PatriotB says:

    Nelsen Clemente: Interestingly, Michael Kaplan wrote a blog entry today about sublanguage-specific localization: http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2006/02/01/521864.aspx. Sounds like it comes down to "better to spend efforts first on localizing for completely separate languages before worrying about sublanguages."

  38. Anonymous says:

    Okay so firefox has totally dropped the ball and I’m giving IE another chance.

    I will say I am absolutely delighted with 7b2.

    Likes:

    -TABBED BROWSING. thank GOD you guys got it exactly right! close button on the tab is crucial.

    -COMPACT BAR. I hate a billion cluttery things consuming window space. way to go on downsizing the bar.

    Areas for improvement:

    -REFRESH/STOP placement. put it next to the forward and back buttons PLEASE!!!. having to mouse accross the screen just slows things down.

    nothing else comes to mind right now. really loving this release. you’ve won me back, for the time being.

  39. Anonymous says:

    PatriotB: Yes I see your point. The thing is, the same thing happens for continental Portuguese (which is really my native language)… Brazilian Portuguese is often used instead of its ‘original’ version? Why can’t the same be applied to English? The question is, why are efforts first on localising (notice the s? :P) for completely separate ‘sub languages’?

  40. Anonymous says:

    I think the simple solution is to just allow us to customize the placement of the buttons (not just the bars).

    I haven’t used Beta 1 so I don’t know if it existed there too but is there a reason the tabs change sizes when it’s only taking up a fraction of the space? Even when I open up just two tabs, it splits the original tab size in half instead of using the ocean of space to the right. A bug perhaps? I’m on a 1280×1024 resolution.

  41. Anonymous says:

    Mostly I use Firefox (sorry πŸ˜‰ ). But I find RSS feeds awkward, namely difficulty arranging them. I use about 100 different feeds, but would love to see them easily grouped, for example, in folders. So I would have a folder named SPORTS, subfolder named HOCKEY, and all my hockey related feeds there.

    Better yet, develope a totally customizeable UI for RSS feeds only, ala MyYahoo, just not web based, but browser based instead. Similar to the idea of using the Favourites as a starting page, lets get a similar thing going for RSS feeds. Where I can group similar feeds, maybe even use different fonts or colours for sports, vs news vs blogs vs whatever else I want see. I love Firefox, but I will use whatever I think is best, and IE7 is looking pretty nice right now too πŸ˜‰

    Thanks

    RDS

  42. Anonymous says:

    And while I am brainstorming (yes, too late for IE7 most likely), why do we have 2 fields in the toolbar (one for web addresses and another for search engines). The way I see it, you can do this with one field. Use the GO button to go to web address, use a "Search engine" button (with drop down menu to choose your engine (similar to what you have done with the "Home" button/sub menu. And a 3rd button for searching on the page, basically the FIND command (or just add it to the drop down menu for search engines-just like you have now, tho I prefer the dedicated button). So you would have ONE text field, type in an address and hit GO button, or type in a term (eg Maple Leafs) and hit either the Browswer button, or the "find in webpage" button.

    Thanx again,

    RDS

  43. Anonymous says:

    I wish the stop button should look like real stop button.

    I wish the search box may remember what I typed before to avoid retype same words every time.

    It is ok the current location of refresh, stop and lock, phishing, IDN buttons.

    Also, I agreed that all buttons(refresh, stop, lock, phishing, IDN etc.) above move left side of address bar.

  44. Anonymous says:

    Opera combines Refresh with Stop. I think that’s a lot better because then u get rid of the GO button completely (if the user wishes to do so).

    btw, re-shuffling toolbars and stuff doesn’t constitute innovation. in fact, I wish u guys would stop doing so much of that and just let me customize it. you really should be thinking of USEFUL features – like Opera does (notes, session saving, the trash can, click-rolling, etc. etc. etc.).

  45. Anonymous says:

    1. Please add shortcuts for switching between tabs. In Firefox/Mozilla shortcuts are Ctrl+PageDown and Ctrl+PageUp.

    2. Please make new toolbar on the right (with Page, Tools… icons) fully draggable.

    3. Next/Previous buttons have very strange behavior: they are not "pressed" when I click on them.

    4. Search on favorites will be VERY valuable.

    5. Print Preview is still SLOW

    6. Please add slider for zooming (I want to have both menu with predefined zoom ratios and special button: when I click on it menu becomes slider).

    7. Page is visible on "Quick tabs" only when it is fully loaded. It will be great to view page during the load process.

  46. Anonymous says:

    I’m really impressed with the IE7 Beta 2. I’m enjoying it more the more I use it.

    Some comments:

    -The tabbed browsing is implemented quite cleanly. Sometimes the ‘Open in new tab’ context menu item disappears for me, but I think that it’s a bug I’ve reported. The quick tabs screenshots and drop down are both quite nice.

    -I don’t mine the refresh and stop being on the right. They might be more useable as a single refresh/stop button, or two buttons, but I think it’s more natural for them to be BETWEEN the forward and back arrows. They’re not as bad as everyone is whinning about being on the right. Nor is the history. Once discovered it works like a cahrm.

    -I really like the forward, back, search, and refresh icons. The stop is a tad off (how about a red glassy icon like the forward and back, with a white X?).

    -I don’t like the overloading of the favorites with RSS feeds. I’d much rather the RSS icon be moved over next to the star and the plus. Also, the + tooltip of ‘Add/Subscribe’ feels too close to the way you add a feed. I keep finding myself adding sites to favorites when I mean to add their RSS feeds.

    -I have found the aggregator to show me the last 20 posts across all my feeds, for instance. I’m not saying for sure that it’s not there, I just can’t find it.

    -The home icon is a little dull. This is one of the COOLEST things I’ve found so far – the ability to set multiple homepages for when I start up the browser. There are problems though! Specifically not being able to reorder the list!!! Very annoying.

    -The printers icon… I don’t hardly ever print. What about the ability to customize these icons so I don’t have to keep passing over this?

    -Ctrl + Mouse wheel, and zooming in general – I’m not sure if I like this feature or absolutely hate it. Lots of sites that render nicely for different text sizes by using the ’em’ unit size break under zooming. And is it really necessary to have both? Is having the two separately to provide me with the functionality to view huge text and tiny images or something? I’m not sure that it’s necessary to have both.

    -Hiding the classic menu by default is good. Good UI should be moving more towards what you’re doing with IE7. Someone mentioned earlier that you were taking the focus from the browser to the page being viewed, as if that was a bad thing! The UI is getting simpler to use, and cleaner to find things in. Very nice improvements.

  47. Anonymous says:

    erm, I meant I hadn’t found the aggregator. And please forgive my spelling – it’s late. πŸ™‚

  48. Anonymous says:

    IEBlog, please ignore requests to change the placement of stop and refresh buttons. I like the new design, it’s simple and makes a great deal of sense given the way windows is moving with Vista (ie navigation apps). My mother does not understand the concept of Stop and Refresh, but Back and Forward isn’t too taxing for her (with encouragement of course).

    I also liked the original design that combined the refresh and stop buttons, but alas it has gone. Luckily it’s not life-threatening.

    To those pretend GUI experts complaining about refresh and stop, it is a MINOR ISSUE. Can we have something more constructive please? If you’re so concerned about your decline in productivity learn to use <esc> and <f5> instead.

  49. PatriotB says:

    A while back, after IE7 Beta 1 was released, I posted the following in the the MSDN Vista UI Development forum:

    "I noticed that DirectUser is used to implement the tabs in Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP. I’m not a lawyer, but I would say that IE making use of this API requires it to be documented according to the antitrust consent decree."

    Raymond Chen replied with "Internet Explorer’s use of DUSER.DLL is only temporary. The final version of Internet Explorer will not use it."

    Well, when I checked out the latest preview, I noticed a new file named IEUI.DLL. Immediately, I knew what it was. I used Dependency Viewer to check out its exported APIs and yep, it’s essentially a clone of DirectUser. All to avoid having to document and support it.

    Let’s just say I’m a bit disappointed with this decision. It’s complying to the "letter" with the settlement requirement, but certainly not the "spirit." IE still has an unfair advantage over other apps because it gets to use (a private clone of) a set of undocumented Windows APIs. (MSN Messenger also uses a private clone of DirectUser APIs.)

    Yes, I know that WPF is the future of user interface technology in Windows. But there’s still a need to create flexible interfaces in unmanaged code. It would be great if DirectUser could be documented for all to use. Or, give us its source code in the same way that the IE team got its source code to make its own private copy.

  50. Anonymous says:

    I’m haven’t used this beta much yet, but my initial impressions are very favourable.

    I like that the menu is hidden by default, and I like the way the new dropdowns have been done. Things I agree with about the comments here so far, though, are that the classic menu should definitely be at the top when it does show up, and that the refresh button should be at the navigation buttons.

    I really like the search box, and I really like that it is separate from the address box. I, and I’m sure a lot of other people as well, almost never actually click on the search or go buttons, but rather just type in the address or search into the relevant box and press enter. Combining the two boxes would mean that you can’t do that any more, you would have to actually click the search button for a search, which would be incredibly irritating.

  51. Anonymous says:

    Why does the "Home" button open two new tabs? If I click this button, it *should* just reload the tab(s) I have set for my home pages. Otherwise, I end up with an ever increasing number of tabs.

  52. Anonymous says:

    …well, I think I will continue to use Firefox…

  53. Anonymous says:

    I think there are some good ideas behind the IE7 interface but it remains unfinished.

    Just as is the case with Windows Media Player, hiding the Classic Menu without replacing 100% of the functionality of it in the regular UI, and then having an option for it to pop up out of nowhere, makes no sense at all. If you want to get rid of the Classic Menu, fine — but really get rid of it!

    What if Office 12 decided to keep the classic menu and toolbar structure lying around, and it would pop out whenever anyone pressed Alt or needed an obscure item that didn’t make it into the new UI? That would defeat the purpose of having the new UI at all. The Office 12 team has decided to completely replace the old menu structure, and they got it right.

    It’s not better or easier for anyone in any way when there are 2 completely different ways to access most of the same features in the same product.

    Furthermore, power users need the ability to truly customize the UI. You’ve provided a completely customizable UI since 1997; why change it now? I want my toolbar to look like this:

    back – forward – stop – refresh – home – address bar – search bar

    tab bar

    I’m not saying you should make this default. I’m saying you need to make this a choice.

  54. Anonymous says:

    The new UI is pretty sweet. A few things that I posted on after the first IE7 beta have been done! Cool! Here’s a few more comments.

    * The new UI is very pretty under ‘Windows XP style’ display but under ‘Windows Classic style’ it’s a bit of a disaster visually. I run a team of 10 developers and they all use classic! Any chance of someone tidying it up a bit before the next beta / final version?

    * I think the go / refresh, stop, search icons all need a bit of thought. They’re not bad, but as someone who is obsessed with good UI and good icons, I’m hoping there’ll be something neater in the next version.

    * I’m sure you guys already have a secret plan on this one – the development community REALLY needs this to be pushed out to as many users as possible, as quickly as possible. Previous browser upgrades have taken up to 5 years to get to 90% of users, preventing developers from using the cool new technology in the new browser. I think Microsoft Update is the answer!

    * I have a weird bug in IE7 b2 on both my machines where a 30px gap keeps appearing between the tabs and the beginning of the page. See screenshot at http://www.forddesktops.com/images/ie7_tab_bug.jpg

    * Switching between tabs causes a bit of a jump / flicker in the page which wasn’t present in the previous beta. I’m sure you guys are aware of this.

    * Please can we have some extra keyboard shortcuts for the new functionality? A shortcut to open the favorites popup is the main thing I need!

  55. Anonymous says:

    I installed IE 7 beta 2 and then rolled back to IE 6. The bad is that my IE 6 is not working….

    it hangs up when I open it….

    Not able to guess wht to do….

  56. Anonymous says:

    I fully agree with the points stated in a previous post about useless changes to the UI that will have users confused: do NOT change established usage conventions without a good cause.

    WMP is the worst example of such an offending philosophy: trying to outsmart the user, all the standard controls have been shuffled around, with the menu bar hidden by default and little misterious icong thrown around at the four corners of the screen.

    What happened to usability testing? I know not a single person that would pick wmp over winamp for all audio reproduction tasks.

    ==========

    Don’t do a Media Player, just put the File/Edit back in its rightful place. It’s not innovative, and I don’t see a reason for breaking UI conventions.

    Put the Stop and Refresh together with the forward back. All of these buttons are often used in combinations together.

    Make the Stop button look like a stop button, not a close button.

  57. Anonymous says:

    Hi IE-team,

    Great you released this beta 2. I’m quite impressed. I can imagine how complex it is to develop a new browser with all these new features. ‘Quick tabs’ is really cool!

    Some thoughts:

    – Like the majority, I think customizable menu’s should be necessary (since I like the ‘Refresh’ and ‘Stop’ buttons close to ‘Back’ and ‘Forward’)

    – Be able to create folders in the ‘Feeds pane’ would be great

    – When selecting text in a website it would be useful to see a right click menu option like ‘Search [User Prefered Search Engine] for [text that is selected]’. In 7B2 I need to copy the text and paste it again in the search pane. If you would implement this the information worker would achieve higher productivity (and got rid of unnecessary copy/paste actions)!

    – Show the ‘Close tab’ button also when hovering not active tabs (now I need to open a tab to close it, it’s just an extra click).

    In overall, I expect a lot of the final release. Thanks for providing this Beta 2 and let users comment on it on your blog!

    Regards,

    Stan.

  58. Anonymous says:

    Make a way, to make sure that, when you view and webfeed(rss), you are sure that it is 100% updated. Right now I have to times view a feed witch is outdated!

    As I see it there is to ways to fix it:

    1. Make an ‘Refresh all’ button a the rss panel.

    2. Force IE to load the feed from the web, when it is viewed. Or at least make it check that is it the newest content.

    Keep up the good work, guys!

  59. Anonymous says:

    Take maxthon as your oracle and try to make the engine as safe as firefox, make the gui and functionality as good as maxthon, and make it possible for the user to make the explorer as much flexible as you can – ie. skin, plugins ans so on..

  60. Anonymous says:

    "Show the ‘Close tab’ button also when hovering not active tabs (now I need to open a tab to close it, it’s just an extra click)."

    Middle click a link or favorite to open it in a new backgrund tab, middle click any tab to close it. Personally, I love using this technique and it keeps the UI really clean!

  61. Anonymous says:

    It took me several minutes to find the reload button, and I didn’t notice the stop button until I read this post. I’d rather have them grouped together with the forward and back buttons. That’s the interface design I have learned through the years, and it’s the same in any browser – except IE7, which breaks the user experience.

    Also I’d perefer to move the home-rss-tools-bar to a place where I like and have the extras-bar (font-size, zoom, etc.) visible all the time. It would be a nice enhancement to allow customization and movement of these items.

  62. Anonymous says:

    I like the improvements to the rendering engine, most of the tabbed browsing and the RSS reader.

    Like many previous commenters, I’ll say I don’t like the interface very much. Good grief, it looks ugly. Still, I’m sure you’ll come up with a better look for the final version.

    My main gripes with the UI are these two:

    – Standard menu bar, please.

    – The drop-down list next to the "forward" button, when its contents will more often be used to go "back". Should probably be in between the "back" and "forward" buttons, given its functionality. I like the thing itself, it’s just in the wrong place.

  63. Anonymous says:

    This is totally non-interface involved, but I tried installing IE7 beta and it didn’t take. It gives a ""The procedure entry point InternetGetSecurityInfoByURLW could Not be located in

    the dynamic link library WININET.dll." error and never starts. I really want this working on my main box. Is there a work around? I’ve tried unistalling and reinstalling, but that didn’t work either. Any advice?

  64. Anonymous says:

    I really like the new UI…it is so easy to use..

    And you people who are here just to criticize…get a life!!

  65. Anonymous says:

    look like FF…same old microsoft attitute.

    Anyway great job ’bout graphics, well done guys!

    Don’t like RSS feeds management. Could you provide some kind of toolbar or alert when a new feed incomes (ex Feed Reader)?

    Overall 7 on 10

    Ease of use 9.5 on 10

    Graphics 10 on 10

    Penguin world likeness 11 on 10

  66. Anonymous says:

    Dude, where’s Google?

  67. Anonymous says:

    I think you can make the zoom-feature better. If one zooms a page with a width given in percent, it grows broader than the viewport. That is not very comfortable, since one has to scroll horizontally.

  68. Anonymous says:

    I agree on the zoom – in other browsers that have this feature the browser width is still the maximum size available to the page. So a 1000px width browser becomes a 500px width browser at 200%. Horizontal scrolling is just bad… always has been, always will be! πŸ˜‰

  69. Anonymous says:

    Great improvements, but:

    The ‘Stop’ and ‘Reload’ buttons should really be next to the ‘Back’ and ‘Forward’ buttons.

    The buttons could use some touching up also.

    Please make it possible to open a local drive/folder in a tab instead of automatically opening it in a new window. The main reason I stick with IE is because of the seamless integration into WinXP. I need my folders in a tab!

  70. Anonymous says:

    – Don’t Bounce The Ball Honey (The Redmonk view on Attention, gestural economics and loosely coupled ideas – I think I even got a gesture out of it, although maybe I’m just being vain…) – Roundup of Reactions to Google&amp;rsquo;s…

  71. Anonymous says:

    I was explaining about the new look to my colleague and said ‘it’s got tabs and the search box i.e. firefox’ and realised that that would be a much better name than IE7 – "IE FireFox"

    Kidding πŸ™‚ Looks great guys. Good work.

  72. Anonymous says:

    Is it just me or does this page not display correctly in IE 7??? For me there’s a huge white space before the screen shots.

  73. Anonymous says:

    WMP10 don’t work!!!!

  74. Anonymous says:

    Love QuickTabs, the auto-hiding Favorites center and the Close button on tabs.

    Negative:

    – Current location of Refresh/Stop buttons will cause users to move their mouse much more often, because they’re so far away from the navigation buttons. Suggestion: Put Refresh/Stop back next to the Back/Forward buttons.

    – The Refresh, Stop, and Favorites buttons are just too small for ordinary users. Non-geek users will have problems to hit the small area of the new buttons with the mouse. Compare that to a default IE6 under XP! Suggestion: Make these buttons some pixels wider.

    – The Refresh/Stop buttons look just ugly. Additionally, the Stop button should not look like an inverse Close button but like a real stop button.

    – Visual quality of the Back/Forward buttons is poor. Poorly anti-aliased borders, no feedback on mouse-down, etc.

    Otherwise, a great release!

    Roland

  75. Anonymous says:

    And while you’re at it, it’s Favourites Centre, not Favourites Center! Not the best choice of name in terms of consistent worldwide spelling.

  76. Anonymous says:

    quote Tony

    DoD!!! WMP10 NOT working!!!

    Do something!

    + blank space b4 ss for me too

    + sorry ’bout multiple post re up (just checking for word filtere words as…maybe Linux or… Firefox ;-))

    + resizing is not an issue for me, got no problems so far

  77. Anonymous says:

    Mail button?…..are you out there?….hmmmm

  78. Anonymous says:

    Mediaplayer is for home users, it gets skins to make it look pretty.

    Word is for business users, it uses the common GUI used throughout the system so it’s consistent and quick to use.

    It’s interesting that you see IE purely as a home user device – what happened to the idea of business services over the internet?

  79. Xepol says:

    Unlike many, I have had a chance to work with IE 7b1, so I am familiar with many of the UI changes already and I am comfortable with them (and prefer them inspite of the fact that I too originally complained about them!)

    A few thoughts, however :

    1. We can save tabsets, but can not play them back out (we have to open tabs manually and load them one by one). This is ugly, and not helpful.

    2. The Link bar, which can now contain folders is VERY cool. If, however, the button had a drop down box when it was a folder letting us at the sub-items directly and clicking on the button body itself launched ALL the sub items in new tabs -> that would be fantastic and a compliment to the ability to launch tab sets. See how the home page button works for a parallel to what I’m describing.

    3. HEY! I never noticed that I could turn off the old full menu bar for the new command bar. VERY NICE! already off!

    4. Is it me, or does the search definition for google pass on information about the user’s homepage settings? It certain looks like there is something there for that. I definitely consider that to be an invasion of privacy. I’ve already tweaked my registry so that ONLY the search term is passed along, but others are not so luck, I am sure.

    5. It is nice that I can add searches you define, but I find it handy to create my own (tv.com, imdb.com etc) Any chance we’ll see the ability to manually add (the internet options dialog does say "ADD", but there is nowhere to add anything).

    Finally, THANK YOU for fixing the quick link toobar button size issue. That really drove me nutz. The folders are just icing (which I have already used extensively to group my quick links into an "optimized" type of favorites! News, technews, comics, blogs, Programming stuff etc etc)

    Annoyingly, you can’t alphabetize inside the quicklink toolbar menu popups. It would be nice to see this eventually, but it isn’t a show breaker.

    All in all, good work, please release a b3 before final release tho! Maybe a CTP every month of so like vista?

  80. Anonymous says:

    Why don’t we have a dropdown on the back button? Why do we have to go back one page at a time? This is irritating.

    regards

    Kjetil Kristoffer Solberg

  81. Anonymous says:

    The new IE is really, really good, taking the best from other browsers like FF and Opera. I disagree with people who do not like the new UI. Sure, it takes some time getting used to, but especially the fact that unnecessary buttons have disappeared and the automatically disappearing favourites bar are really good innovations.

    Two things that, in my experience are still crucial:

    – Ability to use only 1 instance of IE so that you don’t get four instances of IE on your taskbar, each with some tabs.

    – Mouse gestures are curcial to me. As I use only a standard two-button mouse, being able to go back-forward, create and close tabs by dragging the mouse is a real time saver.

    Otherwise: excellent browser!

  82. Anonymous says:

    I would like to see inbuild download manager/password manager/search at the bottom like you see in firefox, something like session saver which should open all tabs as they were if in any case computer or browser shuts down suddenly and RSS Reader should be like a good RSS Reader Application which shows number of new enteries. ; – )

    That’s it!

    Cheers, Rohit

  83. Anonymous says:

    Good Job well done! I love the way text renders so smoothly.

    The zoom feature is awsome, been waiting for this for quite some time. Thanks guys!

  84. Anonymous says:

    I think thath ie7 is slow…expecially to show images…

    I’ve unistalles ie7 and ie6 is slow too….

    I’ve restored system and now ie6 is fast again…

  85. Anonymous says:

    > Perhaps for our Beta 2 release.

    Beta 3 release, you mean? Does this mean there is going to be a beta 3 – good!

  86. Anonymous says:

    Can’t see any new innovative things πŸ™

  87. Anonymous says:

    The right click on a link does not offer "open in new tab" as an option as described in the help files. it looks like we have to use the <ctrl> <click> on the link to open in a new tab. is this right, or am i having specific problems?

  88. Anonymous says:

    Well, I like it. At first, the new UI was somewhat surprising (no menu?! where is my usual menu bar?), but after a little time it turns out to be a good idea. The command bar is more compact than menus, its items are rather intuitives, and I have yet to find a task that can be done with the menu bar and can’t be as easily done with the new command bar.

    Once tabs are disabled (I prefer to use multiple windows), the result packs more functionality in the same space as the old UI. This is quite good.

  89. Anonymous says:

    Like the new font rendering … looks much more like printed media.

    Is there a keyboard shortcut to display the user’s default browser home page ? I’d like to press something like Windows+H rather than mouse all the way to the home icon.

    A bit like Windows+E displaying File Explorer.

  90. Anonymous says:

    I would gladly sacrifice some of that huge address bar space for a toolbar of links. And also get that silly command bar up into that space too, so the tabs have the full row. Im not too fond of the way the quick tabs button appears and disappears depending on whether you have multiple tabs open or not – it moves the position of all your tabs.

    For the same reason you can slam your mouse into the upper right hand corner to close a program, or lower left to hit the start button, it makes sense to have the tabs start at the absolute left, and not move about.

    Id also love to see the ability to open shortcuts/favourites/bookmarks into new tabs by default, ala Maxthon. Also, itd be good to be able to ‘right-click->open in new tab’ from the classic favourites menu (or middle-click – similar to the favourites centre).

    Also- there seems to be some inconsitency with regards to ‘lock the toolbars’, ‘lock bands’ etc for toolbar locking. The command bar and other toolbars seem to be locking separately.

    Plus, itd be good to be able to close a tab even when its the only one open.

    Well thats enough feedback for now.

  91. Anonymous says:

    The "Open in new tab" selection in the context menu IS there, but if you have Google toolbar enabled it will disappear. I have the beta of version 4… I haven’t tested any others, but I’ve seen this on two computers. The fix it to hide google toolbar and restart the browser. MSN toolbar does not do this… I’m not sure if it is Google’s fault or IE7’s.

  92. Anonymous says:

    Hi folks the beta looks good. I notice that there seems to be a new text rendering engine. Text is smoother or something.

    Can you put up a post that explains the new text system?

    I notice that the text has also changed in outlook etc, i presume they use IE engine for HTML emails.

    Thanks

  93. Anonymous says:

    That’s great that ‘favourites’ is going to be spelled correctly. It’s got to be one of the most annoying current features…

  94. Anonymous says:

    I downloaded IE 7 yesterday after having used Firefox since it first hit the street. I must admit there are things about IE 7 I quite like. However, there are still two features not in IE 7 that I have come to particularly appreciate in Firefox. The most usefull is that, in Firefox, I can manage my cookies individually and create my own list of sites that are not allowed to pass cookies. The Firefox interface for cookie management is very good and would be a wonderful addition to IE. Also, I typically have several tabs open simultaneously for work related purposes and have installed an extension in Firefox that allows me to drag the tabs into the sequence that best suits me. The second feature I would like to see in IE then, would be the ability to rearrange open tabs.

    Thanks,

    Rick

  95. Anonymous says:

    ARGH!!! are you serious? this is your "best" effort thus far?

    1.) Separate the Go/Refresh buttons… If I start typing a URL, then decide I want to RELOAD the current page, I can’t!!!!!! (SERIOUS BUG)

    2.) File menu, at top left, on by default, don’t argue, just do it.

    3.) GUI elements must be drag-n-dropable, period.

    4.) Reload/Stop, must be beside back/forward, all top left, under the file menu.

    5.) If you must keep the "mini-tab" to add a new tab, make it the "manilla template" colour, so that users can visually see it ins’t an existing tab, but a "new" tab.

    6.) The >> chevrons on your menus, indicate that you are trying to cram too much stuff, in too little space.

    7.) Stop being childish. Add the Google search engine, and stop pretending that they don’t exist, just because they "school" the MSN search like it ain’t no thang!

    8.) I get seriously confused trying to find "double back" or "double forward" in the new single drop down for back/forward navigation.

    9.) Throbber? When I showed this to my employees, the first thing they looked for, was the top-right spinning throbber… wt_?

    10.) Tab row… uhm? Am I the only one that typically has 7, or 8, or 15 tabs open? I can’t be! This is plain ugly after 3 tabs… horrible!

    Back to Firefox, Safari, and Opera I guess! (or Konqie for the Penguin folks) πŸ˜‰

  96. Anonymous says:

    "Don’t do a Media Player, just put the File/Edit back in its rightful place. It’s not innovative, and I don’t see a reason for breaking UI conventions." – Agreed, it’s the only thing I dislike, and to be honest I dislike it so much I will probably refuse to use this browser if I am not given the option to have the File/Edit where it belongs.

  97. Anonymous says:

    @Ian regardin’ Favourites spelling.

    As a Canadian, I heartily agree, and can’t wait for IE to have the correct spelling of Favorites changed to BOOKMARKS!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ugh! When I Bookmark a site, that is info on how to clean out the latest WIN/IE only virus, I don’t want to call it my Favourite. Car payment site? nope, Work site? nope, Digg? well, ok, maybe…

    To this day (we’re talking since IE2.0), this is my #1 gripe with MS. You had to go out of your way, to not use the word "bookmark", because that’s what Netscape was using. Even though it was the right word, to describe the task, the item, and everything. ARGH!!!

    Does Adobe’s PDF’s have a favorite feature? no, of course not, they Bookmark something.

    When I buy a book, and I want to mark a page, do I "favourite" it? nah, don’t think so…

    I can only hope, that IE7 will have a registry entry somewhere, to supply the name used for this "item". It would be a minor thing, but man, would it be a good thing, for those of us that have loathed this issue for like 10 years.

  98. Anonymous says:

    Heh, some people are really hard to please!

  99. Anonymous says:

    Please make the Classic View option really that – not having the four pre-school graphics buttons on the left and No Tabs.

    Please let "Customize" control the layout, including the positioning of the Address Bar.

    I’ve always been an IE user, but will switch rather than use something that appears to have been cut and pasted from a coloring book.

  100. Anonymous says:

    First of all good job so far. Second I will like to see teh refresh and the stop buttons back next to Back and Forward.

    Also I would like to be able to close any tab with the middle button and open any link in a new tab with the middle button.

  101. Anonymous says:

    A new look for IE:

    1. Uninstall it (ok, sorry, you can’t, it’s part of the operating system)

    2. Install Firefox

  102. Anonymous says:

    I dont like "command bar" position. It takes space for displaying tabs, and it is unmovable. My suggestion is like in FireFox you move it to share space with search bar and address bar.

    Other suggestion

    — Search box should be movable and resizable

    — Mouse guesture please, could not live without mouse guesture

    One problem is there is too many toolbars from diferrent service providers. It is annoying that I have to enable the whole toolbar to use only one command. If you could find a better way to organize commnand and toolbar, it should bring superb clean and userfull interface. I got some ideas, but my english is too bad to explain such a vague thing.

  103. Anonymous says:

    Adding to what Ive already said, the tabs are far too large and bulky, and are of variable size and position. This makes flipping between them difficult. Take a note from the taskbar in windows, or tabs in Maxthon. Small profile, fixed width and position – far more usable. All the animation and highlighting and flickering ‘x’s etc make them too difficult to use. Nothing like flicking quickly between cards in a deck. Please go back to the ‘flat’ look for the tabs, or at least make it an option.

  104. Anonymous says:

    So you decided to get rid of the toolbar, just like the Office 12 team did. Well. Office 12 has the "ribbon", a bar of carefully labeled tabs with all the tools in one place.

    In IE7, there is row of icons with dropdown menus. If you replaced the icons with textlabels, where would be the difference to the old toolbar, except less menu items? Why then shun the good old toolbar? Make it more easy for the bginner? Icons have to be learned, as they are not self-explaining. And not all items are visible!

    I see your point to "streamline" the interface, and to gain some vertical space. But putting a bad replacement of the toolbar next to the tabs is not the right way – you weaken either of them.

    One more thing, concerning the "tools" menu: did you read <http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/01/31/520061.aspx&gt;?

  105. Anonymous says:

    Hi – I expect that you will have an integrated look&feel with Vista when that is released, so I expect the current appearance is just for the interim – having said that, I’m not in favour of apps deviating from the look&feel of the OS. I miss the menu bar πŸ™ I hope it is possible to completely disable tabbed browsing.

  106. Anonymous says:

    Sorry, I messed up the link to Jensen Harris’ blog entry: http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2006/01/31/520061.aspx

    And seems I sometimes said "toolbar" when I meant "menu bar".

  107. Anonymous says:

    I really like the new UI. At first I missed the classic menus, but in fact I usually don’t need them anyway while browsing.

    However there’s still one item missing which makes it hard to switch back from Firefox: "Find as you type". Firefox’ incremental find feature by just typing is far better than IE’s Ctrl-F find dialog.

  108. Anonymous says:

    (7b2) Love the new features, love the direction this is going.

    One thing though – I would love to be able to get rid of the search toolbar. Unless functionality is added to search usenet/google groups I’d prefer to keep using the google toolbar.

  109. Anonymous says:

    So far so good, but I have a couple of gripes.

    1) In my opinion a lot of screen real estate goes to waste due to the address field. Lots of sites have stepped up from 800×600 minimum res to 1024×768, and at that width already the address field is GIGANTIC, I mean it could hold a URL longer than humanly possible. Meanwhile the tabs are packed like sardines between the toolbar on the right and the Favorites Center and Quick Tabs button on the left. I want to stick the toolbar up in the top row where there is ample space, and free up space for tabs all the way to the right edge. If this top bar with back/forward+address+search is going to remain defiantly fixed and unwilling to share space with other toolbars, I’m sticking with IE6 because with my config it takes up less space than IE7 (yep).

    2) I find it completely unacceptable that the "Open in tab group" arrow is replaced by a Delete cross (!!!) when you hover over a single favorite. Talk about accidents waiting to happen. Where the heck is the consistency here (context sensitive delete/open in the same place!?) and who in the world deletes favorites so frequently that this quick delete function is justifiable? The expected behavior for a single favorites item would be a "Open in new tab" arrow, not freaking Delete.

  110. Anonymous says:

    It is a really big improvement guys, well done. My only request would be to make it look decent when under the Windows Classic theme on Windows XP.

  111. Anonymous says:

    > My only request would be to make it look decent when under the Windows Classic theme on Windows XP.

    Yes, that is pretty hideous at present, particularly the ‘create new tab’ tab button, and the double-line above the standard (File, Edit, View..) menu.

  112. Anonymous says:

    So far I’m really enjoying the IE7 Beta 2 Preview, but there are some things I would like to see in the final release.

    – XP Icons for the XP version of IE7 would be nice, even thought the current ones are nice they are very Vista-ish.

    – The new tab button should always show the picture/icon of a new tab, not just on mouse hover.

    – The Favourites Centre should close only when you left mouse click a link, if you middle click to open in a new tab is should remain open so you can middle click more tabs.

    – The Find On Page feature needs to cycle through the results like the Firefox find feature. The dialog popup to tell you no results were found is frustrating to say the least.

    – When you pin the Favourites Centre to the side of the browser it should remain like this when its closed and reopened, and there should be a button to unpin it again.

    – The Stop and Refresh buttons should be a single button, like in first beta, and the Go button should be seperate button next to it.

    – The Feeds (RSS) button needs to stay greyed out on websites that have no feeds, and if they’re is multiple tabs its should only change to reflect the tab being viewed.

    – The tab order should be rearrangable by dragging and dropping them into a different position on the tab bar.

    – Tear off tabs would be nice. So if you drag off a tab and pull it down to the taskbar and it becomes a new window.

    – Single Window mode would be really nice, when you click a link in MSN Messenger for example it opens a new window no matter how much I play with the tab options.

    – Tabs should be rearrangable via the Quick Tabs pane.

    – The icon in the title bar needs to change from the IE logo, to the IE webpage logo (the white page with the E on it).

    – A view source application that colour codes the code (no pun intended) of the webpage would be very handy for people like me who like to pickup tips and tricks and prefer not to struggle through notepad.

    – An Email button on the toolbar like in IE6 would still be welcome.

    – Perhaps an option to strip the CSS from a page (IE: View it without a style sheet) would be handy for those visually impaired.

    Hope to see some of these changes in the final version perhaps.

  113. Anonymous says:

    The first time I tried Firefox in 2004 I was like, "Wow! I love this browser!"

    The first time I tried Opera 8.5 I was like, "Wow! I love this browser!"

    I tried IE7 for the first time yesterday and I was like, "Wow! I love Firefox and Opera!"

  114. Anonymous says:

    Great work guys. IE 7 needs some small improvements yet but finally we can see that you are in the good path.

    I have mailed to IETell a few dozen issues, but i would like to refer four here:

    1) Tabs are cool. But I can’t switch tab positions πŸ™ I do a lot of research on the internet and tabs are very important to that work. Sometimes i need to organize better my tabs so the feature of switching tabs is very important on this use case.

    2) Save sessions. I need to save sessions! For example, i do a research on white whales in the Himalaias eating chocolate. I open 5 tabs. Then I have to go anyplace. I want to be able to save those 5 tabs in a session so i can continue my research later! Man this is a basic use case. Everyone today do more and more research on the internet.

    3) Hey. Web standards are important. Every Computer Science Engineer has the obligation to understand that. I know that only Safari/Konqueror (WebCore) has passed the Acid 2 Test. But you would rock if you also passed that test! Really rock! And the IE team should rock don’t you think?

    4) Mouse Gestures. Have you ever used mouse gestures for just one day? If you don’t, you should try. Mouse Gestures improves _alot_ usability. I am not telling you that every IE user should use mouse gestures in a mandatory way, but at least the user should have the choice, don’t you think?

    Ok. I hope I expressed myself in a clear way.

    Keep the good work guys πŸ™‚

  115. Anonymous says:

    Well, compared to IE6 there are a lot of new and god things, however there is nothing new and innovative compared to Firefox and many other browsers. And I am wondering how much improvement is there in its CSS support.

  116. Anonymous says:

    It would be great if IE had the ‘Save tabs on close’ option just like Opera, meaning that the user is able to choose wheter the lastest tabs he/she was seeing before closing should reopen when IE is restarted or not.

    Also, consider the possibility of including mouse gestures.

    Good job from Beta1 to Beta2 πŸ™‚

  117. Anonymous says:

    Ok you bastards…I’m tired fo this crap browser…You people figure out how to make this browser work correctly..fix the goddamn css bugs and security issues. You people make tons of money and have tons of money…do your job and quit being lazy.

  118. Anonymous says:

    OK, it’s evident that someone sat down and said – Back, Forward, URL and Search. That’s all you need, and that’s going on top in a set-in-stone and immovable bar. Anything else is going into a jumbled mess below, in case people are annoying enough to want more.

    I now have, from top to bottom:

    Row 1: Back/Forward/URL/Search

    Row 2: Classic menu

    Row 3: Links

    Row 4: Favorites pane button + Tabs

    Row 5: Tools

    Classic menu below the address bar? Tabs ABOVE Tools? (No, I’m not putting them on the same row, it’s too cramped – Tabs need a row of their own). It looks and feels completely deranged.

    I *want* to have, from top to bottom:

    Row 1: Classic menu

    Row 2: Back/Forward/URL/Search *plus* Tools

    Row 3: Favorites pane button + Links

    Row 4: Tabs (immediately above the content where they should be – in fact they should be in the content area and not up in a toolbar).

    Serious layout issues aside, what about the features? IE7, at this point, doesn’t even resemble a browser of the future. It’s behind Opera, Safari and Firefox by leaps and bounds, and those have been available for ages! IE7 is spanking new and should be ahead! The only remotely innovative feature here is the QuickTabs view; everything else feels like a blast from the bast. Is this from Microsoft? The giant Microsoft? 2006? Feels more like a two-guys-in-a-basement effort circa 2002. I know it’s just a preview, but I’m still in shock.

  119. Anonymous says:

    Overall, IE7 is a refreshing step forward, but it’ll take a lot more to get me to switch from Firefox. It’s good that you’re implementing tab behavior/buttons from Firefox – eg, middle click on a link opens a new tab, middle click on a tab closes it, etc. Overall I like the new top area, I think it’s concise and to the point. But I agree with others that the stop/refresh buttons should be next to back/forward. I just dont see the point in moving them. Also the menu bar in between the navigation bar and tabs looks awful. It’s off by default which is fine by me, but if you decide to show it, it should be at the very top. There is no reason to put it in the middle, not only does it look horrible it’s also really confusing. I’ve never seen a Windows program that doesn’t have the menu bar at the top. Why break that convention?

    Overall I think you guys are moving in the right direction. Good work.

  120. Anonymous says:

    When IE 7.0.5296.0 read the RSS feed http://www.cnbeta.com/backend.php, an error occour.

    Internet Explorer cannot display this feed

    An unknown error has occurred.

    Please try again later.

    Back to previous page

    More Information

    However,the feed seems good in Bloglines. If the lines

    <!DOCTYPE rss PUBLIC "-//Netscape Communications//DTD RSS 0.91//EN"

    "http://my.netscape.com/publish/formats/rss-0.91.dtd">”>http://my.netscape.com/publish/formats/rss-0.91.dtd"> are removed from the feed,it appears normal. I can visit the URL http://my.netscape.com/publish/formats/rss-0.91.dtd

    whose bug?

    magang@msn.com

  121. Anonymous says:

    The zoom steps are too big.

  122. Anonymous says:

    Please add a refresh all to the feeds pane, thanks.

  123. Anonymous says:

    I think that IE7 needs to have a better source viewer like FireFox. Passing the text into notepad is so 1995. FireFox has a GREAT source viewer. Keywords are different colors and the source is presented in a nicely indneted format much the same way as it would look in a normal source editor.

    I Really look forward to seeing this in IE7 if M$ wants to keep my coworkers and myself as IE users.

  124. Anonymous says:

    So far, so Firefox!

    No, thanks.

  125. Anonymous says:

    Ok,

    I think alot of these agree with what others are saying.

    1. The TAB bar should be the tab bar and ONLY the tab bar. It should be under ALL toolbars.

    2. All other menu/toolbar items should be configurable. You should be able to add/remove toolbars at whim. You should be able to put any button/item on any tool bar. This way people that want menus on top can have them there.

    3. Default to menus on the top row/toolbar.

    4. Much agreement on the stop button. Make it look like stop, perhaps like a stop sign.

    5. Combine the Address bar and the Search text box. I don’t see why you need two. Just drop the search text box. The user can use the Search button, if they’ve put it on there tool bar. If not, perhaps an ALT-Enter would mean search.

    6. Not sure how this would go, but put the address bar in the tab. I’d have to see it first.

    7. Have a max size for tabs, but other than that, make them as small as possible to still see the text.

    8. Personally, I do NOT like the X being on each tab. See Visual Studio 2005 or SQL Management Studio for how tabs SHOULD be. Or, provide an option for this style!!! (Is this how beta 1 was?)

    BOb

  126. Anonymous says:

    I love all of it. Great job guys. I still believe in Microsoft and the people behind the products. Making software isn’t easy but most of us know and appreciate the hard work and long days that go into the products.

    One thing, and Rick Le Feuvre already mentioned it, I know a lot of people would like to be able to re-arrange the order of the tabs.

    Thats it.

  127. Anonymous says:

    Dear MS-Team,

    I’ve already asked this in another Thread but unfortunately there was no reply to this important question yet:

    —————————————-

    Dear MS IE Team,

    why will there be a notification _whenever_ an IDN character is included in a domain name?

    A "normal" IDN should be treated like any other domain name. With your notification solution you will automatically worsen the reputation of IDNs. There always is an effect if you differ two things. The user will ask himself, why…

    Jean Pascal

    —————————————-

    Thanks, Jean

  128. Anonymous says:

    I hate it. You guys moved things from places that are standard to almost every browser to new, confusing and completely random places. And I can’t even tell what half of those icons do just by looking at them. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back, but turning the IE UI into what looks more and more like the MS Word UI is a big mistake.

  129. Anonymous says:

    Basically I’m gonna repeat what a lot of people have already said in here and other places:

    1. Higher degree of customization is needed for bar and button placement as well as turning off any unwanted elements.

    2. Classic Menu should be on top.

    3. Stop/Refresh buttons should be next to back/forward buttons. I’d also like the Home button out of the new toolbar and there as well.

    On a positive note, I do like the tabbing UI, though I don’t use tabs much.

  130. Anonymous says:

    Great look.

    To save space I use TweakUI to allow me to use my address bar as a search bar. It’s set up so I can type "Wiki Seahawks" to search Wiki for Seahawks or "Goog National Champions" to search Google for Seahawks (well, next week anyway).

    It would be nice if this ability was built into IE 7.

  131. Anonymous says:

    Looks pretty rough to me. Everything is moved around to random places. You’ve not improved anything, just made it different. I have NO idea what most of these little icons do… wtf?

    Why are you guys still working on this? Just use Firefox, Opera or Safari.

    At least, working at MS, you could just rip off the other browsers. At least you’d be consistent…

  132. Anonymous says:

    I love the UI, the tabs, the zoom features, and am starting to like the favorites center. I have been looking at the Vista beta also and since IE7 is being co-developed on Vista, it does use the "Vista GUI Approach." I see a lot of screaming about the interface, I myself would like to be able to tune it a bit more than it is currently possible, but see that we might be able to do that in the near future.

    With the new interface I have made myself use it as is and I am having the hardest time with some of my Pavlovian like muscle memory responses, but I will get used to it. Why would I do this? Well, within the last six months have finally moved to using the Tasked based Start Menu vs. The Classic Start Menu in XP, and I have really started liking it. Some things don’t work the way they do in the Classic Menu, primarily "Search" is much harder to use since it doesn’t cascade to allow you to select targeted objects like files, printers, or users. Those issues aside, I refused to change just so I could stay in my "comfort zone" and three years passed and I then realized there was a better and more efficient, albeit much different way to do things. So, this time around I am not going to jam my head in the ground and scream don’t don’t change. What I do recommend for IE 7 is the same approach that XP took. A "classic" approach and the "new approach". Mainly because there are very legitimate reasons to maintain the old ways. Many of us Admins support users stolen from lets say McDonalds, and they are not knowledge workers but task based workers and these guys do thing rote. By changing the interface with no classic option, a huge burden will be placed on IT and companies for retraining and make a large hit on productivity incurred during the retraining period.

    Keep up the great work! The tabs rock. The only question I have is will some of the MSN Searchbars’ (no longer needed) add-ons (i.e. Weather Add-in) be ported to IE7?

    Misc Improvements, make the menu’s in the Menu Bar and the Command Bar match. Make Right click and open in new Tab available in all cases (Word, Outlook, Yahoo IM, etc).

    Thanks!

  133. Anonymous says:

    Just want to add my two penneth’ worth. There’s nothing really I can add but I’d like to echo some views. Firstly, ‘whinger’ has no right to tell the developers to ignore the wishes of a seemingly large majority of users. We’re not all complaining here and I can certainly see the nice features such as zoom, quick tabs, phising but we’ve come to expect decent things since Firefox turned up. I use IE6 almost all the time but I’m not blind to the fact FF has some damn good features and I can’t believe IE won’t at least play catch up.

    In terms of GUI – you want to get rid of the top menu, fine but don’t just clump everything into a Tools dropdown! I couldn’t understand the logic of the menu underneath tabs in Beta 1 and still can’t understand the logic of it being underneath the address bar in Beta 2. Please just don’t do stuff like this for the sake of it. Customisation – advanced users have got used to being able to move everything around. Don’t restrict them.

    Similarly, RSS is better done elsewhere, the Find facility hasn’t had a touch (great that the benefit of a search bar has been realised but users do sometimes want to search the page as well!)

    Other niggles, ‘delete all’ – I know that got done to death in another blog but it looks about as well designed as the ‘Frequency’ screen on XP’s Add/Remove Programs! It’s what checkboxes were made for! Those buttons only perform a confirm box that can easily be done away with.

    Icons all over the place as well simply leads to extra movement which is again unnecessary.

    I know it’s a beta and there’s probably a fair way to go but I do feel a bit underwhelmed with it and have reverted back to IE6 for now.

    Asa

  134. Anonymous says:

    Nice work!

    I’d like to be able to drag-and-drop a link to a tab rather than necessarily opening it in a new tab. (Or perhaps make a tab active when a link is dragged to it.)

    Add my vote for rearranging tab order by dragging too.

  135. JohnCKirk says:

    Regarding the whitespace above the first image in this post, I get a huge gap when I view the "main" blog page, but not if I go through the RSS feed. I.e. it’s not my screen resolution that’s the problem (or at least not directly), since the image will fit next to the bar. (I’m also running at 1024 x 768.)

    Kjetil said: "Why don’t we have a dropdown on the back button? Why do we have to go back one page at a time? This is irritating."

    That confused me at first, but it’s actually a shared drop-down for forward and back; different, but it works.

    Thomas Tallyce said: "Beta 3 release, you mean?"

    My understanding is that we’re not actually using Beta 2 yet; we’re using the preview of Beta 2, and the actual Beta 2 will be released later, possibly including changes based on our feedback.

    One quirk of the UI that I’ve noticed today – when I downloaded ISA 2004 SP2, the title bar on the progress/download window was pretty funky (for want of a better term). Rather than saying "X% complete", it had weird symbols that kept changing every few seconds, and appeared to be Kanji at one point (although people without the Japanese fonts installed would probably see something different). That’s the first file I’ve downloaded that’s been big enough for me to notice the issue, so I’m not sure whether it happens every time.

  136. Anonymous says:

    I currently have ie6 set up with all the buttons I need on one line….so with this fancy new browser that maximises web page space and all that, I am now going to have a minimum of two lines of crap up there. Thats progress?

  137. Jeff Parker says:

    Ok well I think I will chime in here as well. I am liking the new UI but I do find it constrictive and frustrating as well. First I really want to be able to customize it like I can now in version 6. I also want to be able to move bars around to different levels. No offence to the MSN bar team, but I will never ever install it. I won’t install Google tool bar either, I do not install any tool bar. Well I take that back the IE Web Dev tool bar is awesome, and fiddler. But for the most part I do not need them. I guess you know IE 7 is really for the beginning user, someone that uses web tv or something like that. For the advanced user it is really a pain. Her in lies the problem If the UI comes out in final release this constrictive. How many developers are just going to go to another browser. Once the developers move to a new browser they are going to start building more things for that browser specifically because it becomes their new home. To get us to use IE we have to want to use it. The more useful the browser is the more we will use it. The UI is not just plain constrictive it actually causes me stress to use it, I try to do something and want to change something because I do not like it only to find I can’t. Here are things I know I want and have seen others say they want.

    1) The Ability to move and adjust the tools and feature on the UI that we use and the ability to customize it for our own habits. This means all tool bars and buttons please let me put them where they are the most comfortable for me. Right now I would compare the new IE to the AOL browser, just the IE browser renders a heck of a lot better. I really do not want to get used to the way you think the UI should be or how studies think the UI should be. I want to be able to customize the UI to suit me and my needs. Seriously I have been an avid supporter of IE since 4.0 I still use it to this day. I find it fast and easy to use. Now I like many of the UI changes. However, if I am locked into these changes with no ability to customize it this would be the last straw to make me change browsers. I need to have control over my environment. IE is much more than just some web tv browser. It is a tool we use to do our every day jobs. As you know not one tool is suited to every need. Same thing not one UI meets every users needs. Except for the UI that lets us customize it to our needs.

    2) The ability to drag tabs around and change the order. That pretty much says it all but you know what would give me a wow factor, especially since you are awful late in putting in tabs, to me that’s nothing new anymore. Support Multiple Monitors. There are sometimes I have a browser open on all 3 monitors. What would really give me a wow factor, let me drag a tab from one monitor to the other and from one browser to another. So drag a tab from one browser instance to another, AND if that’s not hard enough, do it without loosing session state of that window.

    3) If you allow me to customize the toolbars how I want then ok if not then for love of all that is standard programming put the classic menu back on the top. Having classic menu show up in the middle looks like some 1st year programmer that didn’t know any better wrote the code for it. I mean I have actually seen programs do this before. They were freeware done in like VB 3 or VB 4 and usually came with a ton of bugs, it just looks in my opinion newbish to make such a UI blunder. The Classic menu should be at the top.

  138. Anonymous says:

    Figure this has been mentioned 136 out of 140 above

    On my 1024 monitor – I get white space – on my 1152, no white space – just thought I would add that in case nobody actually said what the issue was (which would be – you guys have mongo monitors at Microsoft – your readers dont πŸ™‚ )

  139. Anonymous says:

    Counter to what is apparently the norm, I like the button layout. Let’em learn to hit the F5 key.

    Four suggestions:

    1. Mouse Gestures are the future. Don’t drop the ball on this one.

    2. Concerning the tabs, on the context menu you need to add: "Add this tab to Favorites", "Add all tabs to Favorites"

    3. Concerning Tab Groups: you need to change the icon in Favorites to reflect the different origin of a "Tab-Group" folder to that of a normal folder in Favorites – namely that a Tab-Group is likely a set of pages that are meant to be viewed in concert.

    4. For the love a’ Pete guys when are we going to get a useful utility for managing our Favorites? Heck, a shortcut to open an explorer window of the Favorites folder would be more useful (multiple drag and drop) than the Win3.1-esque "Organize Favorites" feature.

  140. Anonymous says:

    "PS Seeing as how I’m from Canada, I’m still trying to get the mis-spelling of the word β€œfavourite” throughout the product fixed. Perhaps for our Beta 2 release."

    It’s developed in America, no?

    (PS: I’m from Britain).

    I’ve tried this out, and so far I’m still not interested in using this as an alternative browser. They need to fix the standards issues.

  141. Anonymous says:

    I like the move that IE7 is going but since I’ve started using Maxthon as a front end for IE6 I can’t live without it.

    1) Mouse gestures are a must for closing tabs, going back and forward, refreshing pages

    2) Drag and drop searching. I love being able to highlight some text and just drag it a few pixels and it searched that text. I can also highlight a URL and drag it to open it in a new tab

    3) Double click a tab to close it. Very handy

    4) Easy way to enable and disable popup blocker. Maxthon has one button at the bottom of the window to enable or disable this

    5) Content filter. Nothing is better than going to Yahoo and seeing lots of white blank boxes that otherwise would contain who knows how many flashing ads. When I am forced to use IE regular I can’t believe how different yahoo and Hotmail look.

    6) Saving tabs as a group to open later

    7) Ability to have all tabs only in one window for memory issues. Everything I do with Maxthon is contained in one instance of the program rather than multiple instances of IE working. With IE7 under Vista almost all of my links open in a new window instead of a tab which is really annoying.

    I just hope that the Maxthon guys make it compatible with IE7 so I don’t have to miss out on my functionality.

  142. The big disappointment for the new look is that it looks terrible when the Themes service is disabled or using the classic theme. The inactive tabs are very dark (depends on color scheme of course) and the group box engraved frame for the menu is displayed even when the class menu is not.

  143. Anonymous says:

    Alright one bug/issue ive noticed….

    seems like IE wants to timeout on pages that are slow to load, even though i KNOW they load, they just take a while longer (as evidenced by viewing them in a different browser).

    any way to correct this or manually lengthen the timeout time?

  144. Anonymous says:

    Reiterating what others have said:

    1. While I’m not really put off by the red "X" stop button, I *really* don’t like having Refresh & Stop so far from Forward/Back buttons. In every browser I use, those four buttons are always grouped. But good to get rid of "Go", the most useless button on the face of the planet. I like the combined F/B and arrow control.

    2. I’m not so concerned about the size of the search box, but I HATE not being able to resize the address window. It is one of the reasons I cannot stand FireFox.

    3. I like being able to toggle the classic menu off, but I agree that when I turn it on, it had better be on top. When it pops up in between the address bar and the tabs, it is very disconcerting.

    4. I don’t like the buttons off to the right of the tabs. Once I get that tool bar set up, I want to plant it in the left-hand corner and leave it there. I would also like to be able to combine it with the favorites buttons, so I would have something like:

    Top bar: Forward/ Back/ Refresh/ Stop; address field; search

    Middle Bar: Home/ Feeds/ Favorites/ Add/ Thumbnails (And let me rearrange them to my heart’s content…)

    Bottom Bar: Tabs, tabs and more tabs. Preferably moveable.

    5. I like the zoom, but it took me a little while to realize it zoomed the entire page and not just the text. What I would prefer is the ability to do *both/either* as I see fit. One thing I and my questionable eyesight love, love, LOVE about Mozilla is being able to hit "CTRL+" and increase the size of page text from Myopic Miniscule to a readable size. The current text size adjustment feature on IE is lame and is a huge drawback to usability, IMO.

    6. I like the built in feed reader, but would like to see the headlines of the current feed rather than going to a feed page as the default action of clicking on the feed link in the Favorites menu. Then, I should have the choice of going to a main page, or selecting a particular entry to view. OTOH, I really like the feed page – easy to read and some good slice & dice tools to the right.

    7. This is probably a beta issue, but I’m am ready to strangle someone over the inability to drag and drop to change the order of things in the Favorites menu. Really. It stinks. Fix it.

    8. Tabs are a Good Thing, but these are too tall. I like the close "x" on them. Having to right click to close tabs in Mozilla is a major pain when I’ve got 25 open and want to close 23 of them. When I shift from tab to tab, I notice that my right-hand button menu keeps sliding to the right, hiding buttons. Bad. When I set the width of that menu, I mean it.

    9. Better cookie management, please? Mozilla has you beaten, hands-down, on this count.

    So far, no site I regularly visit is skewed or distorted by IE 7. Some experimental sites are, but they also blow up in other browsers, given the right settings/version. I like the direction you are going, and look forward, as both user and site developer, to the IE team working out the kinks in the product. Competition being good cuts both ways – a strong IE will keep FF developers from complacency, which is what did in NS.

  145. Anonymous says:

    I so don’t get it. IE7 is the newest browser. I switched to it once upon a time because it kicked Netscape’s butt. This time around, IE7 is far behind the competition already at its introduction. Microsoft has had FIVE YEARS (IE6 came out in 2001) to develop this, and this is it? It took five years to spread all icons out in random places and add a poor implementation of tabs? What’s even more perplexing is how outdated IE7 will look next to the rest of its Microsoft designed environment – Vista, Office12 etc.

    Why is everything so scattered? The upper left corner is where we’re used to go in order to click buttons. Now they’re all over the place – Back/Forward placement is OK but the refresh and stop buttons are way over on the right (on my 1680×1050 screen that’s quite the travelling distance since the address field expands way past reason and rhyme). The Zoom is down in the right corner. Browsing should be a breeze, not a workout for the mouse cursor.

    IE7 won’t make me leave Opera in a million years (neither will FF) and I’ll tell you why:

    – Customization. Customization. Customization. IE7 is a huge step backwards. This new "You’ll eat it and like it" attitude with fixed layout elements won’t work. One of the main reasons I prefer Windows over OSX is that I can customize everything in Windows, while OSX is completely fascist that way.

    – Opera has much better implementation of Bookmarks and History.

    – Notes. Absolutely invaluable. FF, IE and Safari should learn here.

    – Better implementation of Tabs. What the HELL were you thinking putting those tool icons and tabs on the same row? Like, "No user will possibly need more than two tabs"? Yeah, like we couldn’t possibly use more than 640 kB of RAM…

    – Dedicated File Transfer window. IE7 just does it the old Win95 way with little download windows all over the place.

    – Excellent (instant) "Find in page" functionality. Is CTRL+F all we’re going to get in IE? Forget it.

    – Selecting text and right-clicking in Opera brings up stuff like "Search", "Search With", "Encyclopedia", "Translate" and "Dictionary" on the context menu. IE7’s context menu is so rudimentary you might as well remove it.

    It looks like the IE7 team studied the competition and adopted some of their concepts, but failed to get to the buttom of what makes the competition shine.

  146. Anonymous says:

    1) CNet.com and Download.com do not render appropriately.

    2) Flash 8

    When visiting CNet.com and Macromedia.com it says that I do not have Flash installed. This is not correct. I have Flash 8 professional installed and the Flash8.ocx. The Macromedia ‘Check Flash install’ page shows that I have it installed. This is probably a problem for the web developers at CNET.com and Macromedia.com but I feel it has something to do with ie7’s plug-in feature as well. Please look into this.

    3) The Forward/Back buttons are pixelated on the outer edges…I am sure this is being solved…

    4) Having the ‘Back/Forward’ buttons on the top left, the Refresh/Stop buttons on the top right, and then ‘Home/RSS/etc.’ buttons below that on the right, and the ‘Favorites’ on the left make it a little hard to adjust…I believe that the Office 12 toolbar is an improvement…I do not feel as though the toolbar has been improved…that is my take after 1 day of usage…

    5) In Visual Basic 6.0

    I have ‘Microsoft Internet Controls’ selected.

    It now references C:Windowssystem32ieframe.dll1. This used to reference ‘C:Windowssystem32shdocvw.dll’. I understand that ie7 is a complete replacement of ie6 but this has caused some vb6 programs to have errors when the ‘browser control’ was placed on a form.

    It is getting there…

  147. Anonymous says:

    Love it so far. One thing I miss from Firefox is the ability to open all Favorites in a folder in tabs at once. Add an open in tabs option to each Favorites folder.

  148. Anonymous says:

    Could you please add an option to quickly change a websites zone, i could disable javascript, activex etc and just enable it for the sites i want, i know you can do it now but to be honest it’s a bit of a pain and i would like a bit more functionality so i can quickly add domains to the trusted zone in the same way you can allow sites with the noscript extension in firefox.

  149. Anonymous says:

    A lot of people whinning here are just dead wrong about UI. The classic menu, while known, is hardly the most useable UI. Draggable elements are nice, but they can easily trip up non-power users, who accidently drag things and then can’t figure out how to put things back, or where they went. Fewer, iconic drop downs are much easier.

    One thing though, if I open the favorites center (if you name this favourites on my US-based machine, I will uninstall your browser…), and set it to dock left, I would much rather have the effect of clicking the star be hide/show the favorites center docked, NOT the current behavior of hide/show and UNDOCKING the favorites center. Clicking the star should not undock if I’v emanually set it to docked – only the X should do that (or even better, and undock icon where the docked one was, and the X acting as hide rather than hide and undock).

  150. Anonymous says:

    that stop x is a bad idea. please keep it looking like a stop sign. PLEASE imagine having to explain to your grandma over the phone how to use this. "Grandma, it sounds like this page is taking too long to load with your dialup. Click the square with the x, it should stop the page from loading? What?? You see "my computer"?? NO!!!! Not THAT x!!!!"

    Please keep grandma, and the grandsons/granddaughters who must offer technical support to grandma via phone, in mind when doing your UI. Thanks.

  151. Anonymous says:

    Guys, the new GUI is too much of a change. You should have a one click button that makes the UI look exactly like the old IE. Heres why:

    http://www.flash99good.com/?p=116

    Also the "back" and "forward" buttons don’t look so good. Around the top the 1 pixel outline around the shadow and the button doesn’t look that smooth. Please read my post here for more info:

    http://www.flash99good.com/?p=117

    Hope my feedback helps!

  152. Anonymous says:

    > A lot of people whinning here are just dead wrong about UI. The classic menu, while known, is hardly the most useable UI

    I’d be happy to let the classic menu go, but the point the majority is making is that IF you want it there, it should be in its usual place at the top, not *under* the Address strip. And substituting it with icons is OK, but it’s not OK that these icons are sharing space with the tabs. The tabs are huge and need a strip of their own, so it sucks to have them wedged inbetween icons on both sides while seeing a huge amount of space go to waste in the address strip (which on my screen can hold a URL that’s like 200 characters long). How does going for a minimalist interface rhyme with putting in an address field that’s wider than Michael Moore’s waist?

  153. Anonymous says:

    When you type the adress of a new site, this site should open in a new tab, or at least this behaviour should be configurable.

    Also if you have an instance of ie open, when you clic on a htm file in your disk, this page should open in the same instance as a new tab, and not run in a new ie instance.

  154. Anonymous says:

    The X symbol is becoming like the F word, it can mean anything.

    We already have X for Close and X for Delete, now it equals Stop too. Just put X’s on the back and forward buttons too. Us X-men just can’t have enough X.

  155. Anonymous says:

    Alot of you folks didn’t use the thing for very long did you. For example,

    You CAN add all the tabs as a favorite, it becomes a favorite folder. Click the big PLUS icon and choose "Add Tab Group to Favorites…"

    You CAN open all the favorites in a folder at ONCE.

    The Back/Forward is like TWO buttons. The drop down arrow of these buttons lets you go Backward AND Forward so you don’t need two drop down arrows.

    You CAN close a tab without selecting it by Rightclick | Close.

    Also GOOGLE was on my search already. Not sure why you guys didn’t get it. Perhaps cause I had set it up as default in IE6 via registry.

    Then there are those that post totally useless messages like "It’s not FireFox", well duh! And, "Who needs IE7" etc. I’m glad you have so much free time on your hands to post stuff like that.

    I don’t think its perfect, see my comment above, but use the thing for more than 2 minutes before you request about a "must have" feature that is already there.

    BOb

    BOb

  156. Anonymous says:

    Tab tops look ugly in the Windows Classic theme (I still can’t stand the way oversaturated color schemes of luna)

    What the heck are the shortcuts to place my cursor in either the address bar or search bar?

    Allow me to move/hide toolbars, like the command bar. it just gets in the way of having more tabs (common for me)

    move the refresh button next to teh forward/back buttons. better yet, just allow me to put it where I want (firefox does this).

    my sites didn’t break (including IE hacks) so that is good!

  157. Anonymous says:

    Alright, I won’t go into details concerning the UI. Enough has been said about that and I agree with the consensus.

    Just a note to the people who keep screaming about mouse gestures: download StrokeIt, a freeware application which supplies gestures for ALL Windows applications (yes, including Internet Explorer). You can even customize it to your liking if you want. URL:

    http://www.tcbmi.com/strokeit/

  158. Anonymous says:

    I find the new UI too confusing. I’m not one crazy about customizations, just like 98% of the real-world IE users out there (i.e., not beta testers). I think IE7, as shipped, should have a simple interface that makes it immediately abundantly clear to users of older versions where to go for what. For example, I detest tabbed browsing; I love having separate Windows IE windows. (Don’t try to teach this old dog a new trick!) Take a page from Apple’s design team: simple is good, simpler is better.

  159. Anonymous says:

    IEBlog has a comprehensive list of new UI stuff included in Internet Explorer 7. I like IE’s Tab functionality the most – single-click shortcut to open new tabs, unlike firefox.&amp;nbsp;Stop button is back, menus are looking more condensed, new search

  160. Anonymous says:

    -Tab preview cool

    -Can’t resize/move address bar

    -Can’t move/resize/get rid of search bar (I use TweakUI and search from the address bar)

    -How do I write my own "search provider" if I do want to use the search bar (okay, I’ll say it, "like Firefox")? Where are they stored?

    -Tabs look blocky, "waiting to be used tab" (or whatever you want to call it)looks like C64 cursor.

    -Really like the "x" on each tab.

    -Please integrate search capability into address bar, I’ve used Firefox 1.5 for some time and selecting a search provider from my list of 20 or so from the drop down whenever I want to search a different site is a pain. Therefore, the more I use the search bar (i.e. add providers to it) the less useful it is.

    -Developer toolbar doesn’t work.

    -Would it be possible to get rid of the word "Links" from the links toolbar? I know what it is, I don’t really need the label.

  161. Anonymous says:

    MS might be encouraging me to use the "command bar" rather than the menu bar, but it’s not gonna happen. I find it distracting. See, I’ve been using Windows for many years, and ever Windows app has the same design – menus to the top left. Now, Microsoft introduces a "command bar" two lines down on the right. It’s counterintuitive. Not to mention the fact that the buttons are all over the place. Yeah, some are logical (e.g. having the search button next to the search box) but why have the favorites stuff next to the tabs? If nothing else, I’d say it should be on the command bar thing.

    Also on the command bar, one of the things the post mentions is maximizing the space for tabs. Doesn’t having the command bar on the same line as the tabs defeat this? I’d like again a classic style and have my toolbar above the tabs, not on the same line.

    Lastly, regarding the menubar. The blog states, "Responding to feedback from you, it now appears above the tabs." Well, that’s a lie. I don’t recall anyone saying "put it above the tabs" I remember people saying (myself included) "put it above the address bar." That’s still not possible. Again, let us make IE use the same UI style we’ve been used to for 10+ years of Windows applications!

    Overall I think the UI is a step in the right direction. It just needs to allow us to customize it like we always could. Now, I have a command bar that I can slide to the left/right, my custom toolbars that can’t go below the tabs or above the address bar, an address bar that can’t be moved at all, a "favorites bar" that can’t be moved at all, and a menubar that can’t be moved above the address bar. If MS wants to keep these design elements, even though so many people are saying they hate it, can you at least explain the rationale of why this is being done? I want my IE to look the way I want it to, not the way MS decides is "better" for me than what I’ve always used, always wanted, and never once complained about.

  162. Anonymous says:

    Thanks for all the work that ya’ll are doing on the IE team. I know it’s an uphill battle and that there’s not much glory in it.

    I’m a fan of the direction that IE7 is taking. Obviously it’s late (3 years late) but better late than never.

    What do I like?

    1.) I *love* the tab preview. Very cool feature! It’s actual progression over firefox and that’s very cool!

    2.) I love that I can *finally* overlook/override pre-defined fonts so that I can customize my browsing experience the way I want it. Awesome! It’s about time, my friends! Firefox offered this early and I enjoy it a great deal!

    3.) I love the favorites center – the way it opens in a "floating div" format and allows sorting on history. Those are very cool features and as far as UX goes I’m very excited about that (even though I don’t use that feature very much).

    4.) Wow! You’re popup blocker seems to work! Congratulations! It’s about friggin’ time! It should work right out of the box and ya’ll should be smart enough to stop scripts that want to call window.open or equivelant after onload or what-have-you…It even seemed to stop the drudgereport’s popup which is trickier than most others (builds an url from a js string and then calls an execute on a window.open of that string or something like that…Kudos for getting this right, apparently.

    My main question is (and if this sounds similar to Paul Thurrot’s rumblings than…well…I guess we think alike) whether or not it’s enough to make me "switch" back from Firefox. Currently, it’s not enough. Why?

    Here are some reasons:

    1.) I *hate* your "find in page" option. I want firefox’s search while you type feature. I don’t want to have to mess around with what is argueably just another popup window to perform a function that’s elegantly performed in a way (ala firefox) that doesn’t interfere with browsing function (ie in the frame and no popup). Is this feature big enough to make me not switch (like Paul T?). No but it’s a biggy that’s for sure.

    2.) Why do the other icons/buttons/whatever hide irregardless of the IE window width? I have a 1600×1200 monitor setting and even stretched to the full extent, I can’t see icons such as Help Messenger Research etc…Why are these hidden by default? Shouldn’t I be able to customize whether I see them or not? [Update] Oh, I see, it’s under the "lock bands" menu item. Not very intuitive, don’t you think? What’s a band? Is this a user-education issue?

    3.) The home page allows you to save a number of urls as your start tabs when you go ‘home’. I haven’t found where a user can set/save a set of tabs to an arbitrary (ie non-home) tab group. Is this available? If it is, perhaps it needs to be made to be easily-discoverable in the menus.

    4.) You should be able to turn off caching with a single click (I use this frequently for web development when I have to clear old cached css or js files) – perhaps you could have an icon for developers that opens a menu devoted to them (explore the DOM, explore the Javascript objects ala Firefox, clear cache, view current downloaded files, etc). In other words provide some ability for developers in the default IE UI (developer toolbar?) or at least allow for useful third party tools to be created to provide the same value as Firefox to a developer.

    5.) If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a million times…give me add-blocking capability. If I find an add/image/what-have-you offensive/annoying/etc I should be able to not have to view that [thing]. Please give me the power to customize my browsing experience (ala Firefox’s addblock).

    6.) I’m sorry to rain on your parade but your zoom function is close to useless for me. If I zoom to anything other than 100% (for instance 75 or 125) the text is nearly-unreadable. Zooming to anything beyond that the text is definately unreadable and the CSS gets mucked up (in other words rendering breaks somehow). It would be better to integrate this into the frame (like the office 12 beta) so that a user could drag a slider to an arbitrary size (assuming that rendering doesn’t break the CSS etc). Also, if I zoom to a certain size (say 200%) find something I’m interested in and then zoom to another size I lose my place in the page. If it was a monster web-page and I was looking for some text and found it, I would have lost it by the time I corrected the zoom. This makes the feature close to useless in the way that I would use it. What the heck is this feature supposed to be used for? Inspecting small thumbnail/images? I tried it on a small-ish image (600 x 425) and when I zoomed up to 800% (for detailed inspection) I got some retarded (read ridiculous) looking scrollbars. You think you’d keep those somewhat reasonably-sized? To sum up: keep my place in the page when I zoom, use a slider on the bottom of the frame (like the word/excel betas), don’t distort the scrollbars, allow for arbitrary zoom increments (or at least reasonable ones like 10% increments). Otherwise this feature is not providing value for me the user. You do care about me, don’t you? πŸ˜‰

    7.) Pretend I live in a fantasy-land. Pretend I get everything I want. Pretend that my browser integrates with windows live favorites or my delicious account. Pretend my browser allows me to blog content very simply. Pretend I can copy pics to my flickr account (or similar). Pretend I get forward-thinking features (like flock’s browser) from the IE team. Enough day-dreaming. Are you guys ready to lead the pack in the browser wars? Did you think that the war was over? πŸ™‚

    Thanks, guys, I don’t mean to be too hard on ya’ll but when you put a beta out in public you’re going to get some very frank feedback.

    I’m avail (via corpnet) if you want some more feedback.

    Good luck all! Keep up the good work!

  163. Anonymous says:

    Also,

    IE Dev Toolbar doesn’t always work.

    It was buggy before but now it’s even worse (sometimes doesn’t display as a toolbar and you have to close/re-open the browser). Please get your intern or whoever wrote that thing to fix it for IE7.

    Thanks!

  164. Anonymous says:

    Unattractive. Clustered. Poor usage of space and visual elements. Much of the gradient tricks look like 1st year photoshop users at best and is not high end professional. There is little focus and structure here that would say it is a design in any sense.

  165. lagunasrfr says:

    Cannot select "Undo changes to your computer with System Restore" on right side of Help Center when IE 7 installed. Uninstalled IE 7 and select works.

  166. Anonymous says:

    Interesting that some really like the ‘X’ on each tab to close. I would like to see a static ‘x’ on the right side so that tabs could be closed sequentially without the need to move the mouse.

    Also, there must be a way to set up a group of favorites to open in tabs (like FFox). I have not found out how to do this. Any hints?

  167. Anonymous says:

    One last thing.

    Please improve cookie mgmt so that cookies are stored during browsing and then deleted when the browser is closed – except for exception list.

  168. Anonymous says:

    new Alt key behavior breaks Windows’ own convention. the Menu bar should be either displayed or invisible per Classic menu option.

    it is no innovation to pop it up and then down;

    it’s just too disruptive!

  169. Anonymous says:

    The new toolbar looks good, I like the position. Could it be possible to get rid of the text next to the icons ("Tools", "Print" and "Page")? I like that when I "lock" and "unlock" the toolbars it doesn’t shift everything few pixels right or left like IE 6 did.

    I get the white space at the top of this blog too. 1024 x 768 pixels, Maximized.

  170. Anonymous says:

    Dear Developers,

    Up to recently, I used IE almost exclusively, but recently shifted predominantly to Firefox because I got fed up with multiple versions of IE remaining installed as processes even though I no longer had web pages active, thus slowing down my machine and hogging valuable resources. I am happy to see that IE is being modernized but I have substantial problems with Beta 2. I often do internet research 18 hours a day and if you lose guys like me, you are going to lose in the long run to the competition.

    TABS: In Firefox, a new tab is opened for every new page that is opened through a search, which I have found – against initial resistance – to be a superior method of display for research, since one often wants to go back quickly and easily to already opened pages. I sometimes have as many as 20 tabs opened at once. There should thus at least be the OPTION to have tabs work that way in IE. Having to MANUALLY open a new tab is just a waste of time. Forget it.

    ERGONOMICS and the PLACEMENT OF BUTTONS: When you build a hotel, one of the key elements of architecture is to reduce the walkways for staff. They can not be running miles from the kitchen to the restaurant. To my way of thinking, one of the key elements in webpage, menu and toolbar design should similarly be to reduce mouse and thus hand and arm movement to the most economical paths and thus to place frequently-used buttons in positions where they are most easily and most quickly accessible by the user. Putting the back and forward buttons – frequently used – in the most distant upper left hand corner is a laugher. Putting the frequently used refresh button way off to the right of the address box – where the GO command button belongs – is, um, impossible.

    I want to be able to put the back and forward buttons on the left of the TABS line, where those commands are thus closest to the page I am looking at so that I can go right or left or refresh, if required, with the least possible movement of the mouse.

    CUSTOMIZATION: I am a typical independent user in that I want to put toolbar elements where "I" want them and not where "YOU" want them. It is MY user interface. Hence, all toolbar elements should be moveable. Having the URL address box distantly and immovably way at the top of IE is again an ergonomic oddity. Who wants this? Not this user. I want it under the menu items, which are infrequently used, and thus belong at the top. Similarly, the Command Toolbar should be moveable to where I want to put it, and not where you have placed it on the tab line, where it is a disturbance to work. Plus, most people have dominant right eyes and thus prefer to look left rather than right, also because we read left to right. Frequently used buttons should go left, less frequently used buttons should go right – at least in the default state, although all should be moveable, since some people are left-handed and left-eyed and may prefer this the other way around.

    All toolbars should be immediately removable or addable in terms of visibility. I suggest one menu item called Important Commands where I can find ALL those commands rather than having to look all over creation to find them in your non-intuitive organisation. In trying to remove an RSS feed, I found to my astonishment that this could not be done through the orange feed button or a drop down menu affiliated with it, but rather that I had to go to View on the far right of the page, then find Explorer bar and under that the Feeds option which took me to the opening of the Favorites Center – on the left side of the page – then click the X next to the entry in the Favorites menu which then appeared on the left. FIVE STEPS! A tremendous waste of time.

    You get paid for designing IE like this? I still long for the days of DEGAS, an Atari graphics program, when a simple right mouse click opened ALL possible commands at once. That was fast. What you offer, so many years later, is a strong step backward.

    FREQUENCY OF USE of BUTTONS: Actions which are frequent should have a button which is IMMEDIATELY accessible and not hidden in some drop-down menu. EVERY command should have its own button and the user should decide WHERE he puts each button or places any button at all. To use "Quick Tabs" which looks like a good feature, however, I first have to go way over to the menu-item View, then make sure that the drop down box does not disappear as I move my mouse to the left, i.e. I first have to move the mouse DOWN and only then LEFT to actually access the menu item Quick Tabs, whereas, of course, a Quick Tabs button should go right next to the Back and Forward buttons on the TAB line.

    ACCEPTING REALITY: Your IE menu is now designed as if the user uses ONLY that Menu, which is simply false and wishful thinking. I also have the MSN, Yahoo and Google toolbars installed and visibile, and use them, and need them because they save me time in accessing certain things. Your design does not account for this possibility, which is perhaps, um, not wise.

    I definitely do not need the immovable search box in the distant far right hand corner. You should leave the option to get rid of that ergonomically uselessly placed search box. Plus, the size of such search boxes should be customizable by the user. I prefer larger search boxes because I often enter multiple terms in doing research, which gives better results. Hence, the size of search boxes should be customizable. I want to see what I have entered as terms, so I can easily amend or change them if necessary on the next related search.

    REDUCE THE JUMBLE: You have eliminated horizontal lines between menu lines so that it all looks like one big jumble. I personally definitely do not want that and need and want the lines between menus, just as separators are essential to divide up menu items into logical groups, at least, logical for this particular user.

    And if you have any contact to Google, their new toolbar has a Go button which is nearly thinner than the Mouse Pointer. I do not want the clicking of buttons to made something which can only be done with surgical precision, lest one inadvertenly click a neighboring item by mistake. Indeed, all icon buttons should provide the alternative of being able to place CUSTOMIZABLE text to them to identify the button.

    Andis Kaulins

  171. Anonymous says:

    It’s looking good: better and better, as time goes by.

    A few suggestions:

    *Full toolbar customizability – I don’t like the current toolbar setup, it’s just awakard and messy (Home button? Top, please. Menu bar? Top, please. Links bar? Gone, don’t need it.)

    *Maybe give the Options dialog a new "tabbed" layout – like AIM 5.9 – and make the options explainable to the standard, average-Jane user.

    *Full-color icons, please. 256-bit Back/Forward/Home/Stop buttons are not attractive.

    *When a page can be viewed in RSS/XML format, add a RSS/XML button on the address bar for easy access.

    *Update the "Export/Import" wizards – they are terribly out of date!

    -Also update the Content Advisor area, links are out of date!

    *Perhaps keep a "classic" layout for those who don’t like the new look?

    *When searching on the Search toolbar, put a right click and a SHIFT shortcut to open a new window

    *The Help Button disappears sometimes.

    Other than that, keep up the good job! I especially love the new installer! It’s really coming along well.

    –Andy

  172. Anonymous says:

    I love the new shrink to fit feature but I have another idea. Sometimes, there is only a particular region of a website I want. For example, on the top there is the logo, the left has the navigation bar, the right has ads. All I really want is the stuff in the middle, the content. Yeah, shrink to fit makes sure I get everything, but that’s a waste of ink. All I really want is that 10 lines of text in the middle. What about having a tool that lets me draw a rectangle, and only print the content that is within that rectangle? It would let users choose exactly the information they need rather than printing everything.

  173. Mystereman says:

    I know i’m pretty late to this party, and probably won’t get read, but I have a few comments to users.

    1) The new UI. I’ve been following this new UI for a while, and many of the decisions are there for solid reasons.

    The new UI is diverges from the existing style guidelines because the guidelines are changing. Take a look at the new UI for Office 12 to see a good example of this.

    I agree that I don’t think the UI is a good implementation, but complaining that it doesn’t follow the old guidelines is probably not going to be valid, since they’re changing.

    2) The refresh stop button issues. Earlier in the beta, go/refresh/stop were all one button that changed depending on the state. Many users complained about this, so stop was removed from the state and moved to its own button. I think more thought needs to go into this, but that’s why it’s not with the other navigation buttons. It would stand out.

    Personally, I don’t think this is a big deal. If you’re clicking stop, you may have clicked go, which means your mouse is already over there. You’re probably not going to click stop while using the back or forward buttons.

    3) Tabs also presented a bit of a challenge, from what I understand, regarding phishing and other techniques which build false UI elements to fool users by hiding the UI, then building fake ones. I understand that the new designed was envisioned to help combat that problem.

    Phishing in particular makes customizable UI’s somewhat problematic. I think we’re going to see a lot more trouble on the horizon for skinnable browsers like Firefox and phishing.

    I think a lot of people just don’t like change. Those people will eventually get used to any new design. I think there have been a lot of good comment as well, but please try to keep an open mind. There is no progress without struggle.

  174. Anonymous says:

    I think this interface will be better in a Vista invironment. In XP… it needs work.

  175. Mystereman says:

    codemaster: Ie already has the feature you’re talking about (well, similar) called Print Selection. Just highlight what you want to print, choose print, and tell it to print selection.

  176. Anonymous says:

    mystere: You’re absolutely right, but as you said, it’s only similar. With some more advanced websites that doesn’t work so well. For example, selecting text that is in 2 separate frames is difficult. CSS sometimes also makes it so that, even though text appears below other text, simply highlighthing it downward doesn’t work.

    Meaning, being able to select the desired region, when the website is being treated as an image as in the print preview dialog, it is much easier to select things than when it is html.

  177. Anonymous says:

    There’s certainly a lot of feedback coming in on our preview of beta 2 of IE7. See the post at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/01/31/520817.aspx&amp;nbsp;for

  178. Anonymous says:

    Have you ever thought about hiring a real designer to create the look of IE7? I’ve never seen a more frankensteined UI.

  179. Anonymous says:

    While I applaud tabbed browsing I dont understand why it isnt consistent

    To open a new tab from a link you use the CTRL key and click on the link. In the search boxes you use the ALT key. Whats the logic behind this?

  180. Anonymous says:

    holy cow, it’s like a the circus came to the browser toolbar

  181. Xepol says:

    OK folks, a few thoughts here after reading all the comments..

    1. Too many people pop by to say "ie sucks" without ever really giving it a try. If you have no intentions of giving it a fair chance, none of us really want to hear from you. We would prefer REAL feedback (and plenty of people using Firefox are doing just that here, learn from their open minded example!)

    2. Everyone bitches that the old interface stinks, needs to change, but the second it has changed suddenly the old interface becomes an classical standard of perfection which should never be changed. Go away, use it for a few weeks and THEN come back and comment.

    3. PLAY WITH THE SETTINGS. Many of the complains/requests here are for things that are already in there. (I am guilty of this one myself!)

    4. If you don’t like the missing menu, quit whinning and turn it back on. Same goes for the quicklinks toolbar (which is VERY useful now, can’t understand why they turn it off during the install)

    5. If you start to type in a url, the refresh button goes away and turns into the GO button. PRESS THE ESC KEY TWICE! It turns back into the REFERSH button & the current webpage’s url comes back.

    Now, that out of the way. A few of my new thoughts :

    1. Again, gotta be able to play out tab sets. If it is in the software, I can’t find it. I suspect it was overlooked (not sure how, it seems a totally natural compliment to saving tab sets which is already in the software)

    2. The UI is still pretty gitchy. Why? Coolbar/rebar control is fundamentally flawed. It has been since it was first created and has never really been fixed. Bars will resize, jump to different lines etc etc. This is a VERY old bug. Please, either get someone to fix the common control OR dump it and develop something new.

    3. People are right, IE’s built in search stinks. MSN Toolbar’s search also is undesirable (actually, I assume it still does. I turned off the toolbar when I installed 7b1 as it was highly incompatible). 90% of the reason I still use the Google toolbar instead of just using the new search box in the top right is that google has a GREAT search routine in my opinion. Study it, you need it. (that lame little document view that MSN Toolbar builds is annoying… just clicking ont the word in the Google bar lets me search sequentially through the current document) -> very natural to use in comparison.

    4. the <ALT>-F behaviour bringing back the menu bar temporarilly -> YIKES! Is this a horror. I respect that you want to keep the functionality there, but the way it is implimented is unforgivably kludgy.

    5. Drag and drop tabs? No idea why people want this, seems absurd to me, like whining that the system’s definition of white should be ivory instead of bone… However, it should be fairly straightforward to provide, you might want to consider it just to keep people happy.

    6. I like the controlbar, except for the fact that it keeps changing size (rebar problems) and loosing icons which mysteriously come back when you switch tabs. Some people complain that it takes space away from tabs. I guess if you are running 800×600 or have 400 tabs open, it might be an issue, but frankly, again I don’t see it. Still, the in ability to position it is a little annoying (see, I want my cake and to eat it too! I hate the rebar control bugs but want its functionality, or rather I want its BUG FREE functionality!)

    I don’t mind the buttons or the possiting there of. I would agree that the button to view a list of tabs should not come and go, but that is because change ALWAYS upsets the rebar control.

    Hope all this feedback helps! (since I see a lot of my previous feedback reflected in the current UI, I can only assume it does. Blogging has done wonders for MS!)

  182. Anonymous says:

    I think enough people have cried for control over positioning within the rebar area that you get the point. I’d just like to add that the command bar is becoming a light type of menu bar… ribbon like if you will. I’m sure many will like that, but by lumping commands under drop downs you force people to "click, mouse down, click" everytime they want to trigger a cmd. The ability to configure single click buttons for common tasks is of great importance to alot of people such as my self, and I’d encourage you to provide not only a drop down button to cmds x, y, z… but also individual x, y, z cmd buttons so both camps can configure the command bar to suite their tastes.

  183. Xepol says:

    "One great feature here is the ability to quickly open an entire folder of favourites or feeds as a group of tabs – just click on the blue arrow next to the folder name."

    <slaps head> see, play with settings, and hey, I guess I could read the documents too…

    Open the favorties from the STAR icon beside the tabs, when you select a folder, on the right side will be an arrow. Click on the folder, the folder expands, click on the ARROW, and everything in the folder opens into tabs.

    Thank you IE Team, I kinda figured the feature seemed half baked, now I know.

    Now, could we have the button with drop downs for the quicklinks like I suggested earlier too?

    Thanks.

  184. Anonymous says:

    > Some people complain that it takes space away from tabs. I guess if you are running 800×600 or have 400 tabs open, it might be an issue, but frankly, again I don’t see it.

    I run 3200×1200, thank you very much – but since I don’t feel like dedicating my entire life and workspace to browsing the web I don’t blow the browser up across the entire desktop; I have it open amongst many other apps, in as small a window as possible, which usually mean just over 800 pixels wide – because that’s usually the width of webpages. And with 8 tabs open – not 400 – all I see of the names is this:

    I… Aft… ekuri… SVEN… Sveri… DN -… SVT…

    Which is of no bloody use. In Opera or Firefox, with the same window width, I see most of the page names because the tabs aren’t wedged into a cramped little space. Are tabs tools? No. They are attributed to web documents. So why the hell are they grouped together with a bunch of tool icons that could be on the top row next to Back/Forward where there’s more legroom than in a limo?

  185. Anonymous says:

    Please give up on IE. I am tired of writing special hacks and filters just to make it behave. Hey here’s a wacky idea – stop pissfarting with the interface and fix the bugs.

    Sincerely,

    Mikey

    Frustrated Web Developer.

    ps. Disabling CSS hacks – without fixing the bugs that necessated them – was a bad, bad idea.

  186. Anonymous says:

    You want minimalist?

    You left two completely useless buttons in.

    1. Forward. Really, what use is it? I use Back 10.000 times for every one time I use Forward. It’s only there because "well, if we have Back I guess we must have Forward".

    2. Stop. C’mon, are you peeps on 14.4 dialup or what? I haven’t hit Stop for, oh, ten years?

    Oh, another thing – is this actually a beta version? You know what a beta is right? A beta is to have all features and functionality implemented. If the design is subject to change at this point, it’s an alpha. If all features are implemented then what can I say except (cough) disaster of epic proportions (cough).

  187. ieblog says:

    Lecter,

    This isn’t a beta. This is a preview of our upcoming Beta 2.

    – Al Billings [MSFT]

  188. Anonymous says:

    Looks great so far. Hoping for better right-click menu functionality though, like "Open in tabs" when right clicking on a Links folder.

    One small thing… a request of sorts. In Safari on OSX I just love hitting the "+" button and the window auto adjusts to fit the current web content. It sure beats resizing the window manually. Actually this button would be handy in ALL applications – Word, Excel etc, and should be right up there with minimize/maximize/restore – but putting it in IE is a good start.

  189. Anonymous says:

    I like it vey much.

    One thing I miss is favicons. They are helpful to quickly find the desired favourite in a long list. Whereas IE6 did not save them either, one could use favorg to make them stick in IE6. That does not work in IE 7. The only way I found was laboriously to change the icon for each favourite in my favourites folder (more than 1100). It would also be nice if they showed up in the tabs, as they do in other IE based browsers such as Deepnet.

  190. Anonymous says:

    Lecter, just because you don’t use it doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t. I happen to use the forward and stop button a fair amount. Hey look! I too can design software for millions of people purely based on anecdotal hearsay of what I personally do.

  191. Anonymous says:

    just wondering about smth – found the settings for "send to onenote" but how exactly does one send it.

    also, for those "mouse" fans – don’t forget the laptop users, those small, mobile things used as is (with pointing device instead of scroll wheel mice).

    the rest of my complaints have been already mentioned and could be described in one word, customization.

  192. Anonymous says:

    It’s beautiful, EXCEPT…

    – When you turn off themes (then, it’s downright UGLY, with all the etched frames for the rebars showing and the unselected tabs dark gray)

    – When themes are turned on, the tabs use custom bitmap while they should use UxTheme to render themselves according to the user theme. This is totally disrespectful of user settings… Not everyone runs on Luna, guys!

  193. Anonymous says:

    Damon, I was being sarcastic. I thought it was abundantly clear, but thanks for proving my point – i.e. that stuff has been removed for no apparent reason, then reluctantly put back in the wrong places. For example I use the Refresh and Back buttons very often and in rapid succession – in IE7 I can’t because they’re on opposite ends. They combined Refresh with Go, thus saving a whopping 24×24 pixels in the one area where there is room to spare.

  194. Anonymous says:

    I agree with the majority of comments here. Huge improvement over IE6, but not particularly over Opera/Firefox.

    1. I like the hidden menu bar, but when it’s visible, it should be at the top, underneath the titlebar.

    2. Stop button looks like a close button.

    3. Refresh/Stop button can be combined, and should be put next to the forward/back buttons.

    4. Forward/Back Buttons don’t blend well (they look blocky). UI looks pretty bad on windows classic.

    5. Tabs should have a complete (or near complete) row. Users should be able to move elements around the toolbar area.

  195. Anonymous says:

    "A lot of people whinning here are just dead wrong about UI."

    A person can not be wrong about their personal preferences, and most people here are voicing their personal preferences which all happen to be nearly the same. "let me customize"

    I agree with every other IE7 UI complaint in this blog entry.

  196. Anonymous says:

    Since cleartype is enabled by default in IE7, as well as Office 12 and such, I think Microsoft should provide an update of cleartype with one of those products. I personally love cleartype, and find it hard to live without now. But sometimes text does seem blurry, while some are extraordinarily clear. An update separately would be fine too, just as long as one was released with these products. I’ve watched Bill Hill videos about cleartype on channel9, newer versions do exist, I’d like to see one!

  197. Anonymous says:

    To be fair, nice look (so far…needs improvement)…I do agree with the UI comments from above. However…….

    Please, please, please…..aim for standards!!!!! If you are going to disable things (like CSS hacks), fix the problems first….it is really frustrating (as Mikey put it above) to have to write a bunch of silly work-arounds just to get an app to render nicely in IE….shouldn’t be this way.

    Keep up the good work!!!

  198. TomChicago says:

    I appreciate the little tweak that enables you to bring the "favorite" you just clicked to a full screen. I no longer have to view my favorite on a smaller page.

  199. Anonymous says:

    "Graphics have been cleaned up"?! You can’t possibly be serious.

    Surely someone, someone in charge over there can just look at that and see how hideous it is.

    I’m not trying to troll, I’m really not. But seriously. LOOK at it. LOOK. Picture your computerphobic aunt sitting down in front of that mess of buttons, all different colors, all different gradients, and trying to make sense of it. I DARE you to picture her not giving up. I //dare// you.

    -LH

  200. Anonymous says:

    I have to agree with the other posts questioning the UI. The menu is has been moved for no reason, the buttons are different shapes, sizes and colours and placed randomly. If you posted the same picture and said it was a joke I’d believe it.

  201. Anonymous says:

    http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=favourite&word2=favorite

    favorite is the more popular spelling according to google fight. The word ‘favourite’ isn’t the correct spelling in America, and IE is an American product. Since when does America flex to what everyone else wants? Never.

    Don’t call them favourites or favorites anyway. Bookmarks.

  202. Anonymous says:

    One problem with the new Tabs… it would be nice to have the close-button visible even if the tab is not the active one – if I have many open tabs it’s always activate, close, activate, close…

    Another thing: The Visual Studio.NET Help uses the IE control for it’s rendering… my MSDN help now looks like crap. Hngpfg.

  203. __hAl__ says:

    Call them favourites. Even from a non-english speaking country this seems a lot more sensible than favorites.

    And Kellan, bookmarks is an ancient term that goes back to a history of physical documents in stead of webdocuments and also it isn’t very international whereas favourites is rather more international as a word.

  204. Anonymous says:

    Remarkable.

    Everyone is writing under the heading of "A New Look for IE" and alot are complaining they want the old look back lol

    I haven’t tried the beta yet – thought I’d check out what people are saying 1st.

    Question:

    Will we be able to open a favourite in a new tab? or will it open in the current one.

    How many times have you heard of people going to click one button, only to click the one next to it by mistake? (should close be next to refresh?)

    Employers will not be wanting to train employees how to use Internet Explorer 7.

    Do you think IE7 should keep the same look and feel of IE6, but with added features (a classic look) as an option?

    btw I am liking what I am seeing so far and appreciate it is a BETA with more development required. Glad to see Tabs are coming!

    Well done.

  205. Anonymous says:

    If possible, I wish the ‘close’ button can put in the corner of right-hand side like ‘refresh’ button. It can help to not close the tab accidently.

    If IE7 can group pages which are from same domain but different path in a tab, like windows can "Group similiar taskbar buttons", it can save the ‘UIspace’.

    I like the "Quick Tabs", it’s a great feature.

  206. Anonymous says:

    Another little annoying thing… if you open a link via Ctrl+Click the new tab opens in the background… so it’s Ctrl+Click and the another click to activate.

  207. Anonymous says:

    Once again me. One annoys me in Firefox and in IE7 too… this ultra-tiny search box. Place it in an own band so I can make it bigger, and please, place the navigation bar in an own band…

  208. Anonymous says:

    Please add a really big button:

    DON’T BLUR MY FONTS TO DEATH

  209. Anonymous says:

    I like very mutch the new IE 7, you have make a great incredible job! I was waiting for it since a long time, and now, i’m very happy to use it and discover new features every day!

  210. Anonymous says:

    Is it just me, or is this the ugliest, ugliest, ugliest iteration of any browser YET ?

    Why the "we have tons of colors to choose from, let’s use them ALL"-theme ? No consistency with other apps, or anything.

    This looks more like a design-color-test than anything else.

  211. Anonymous says:

    Cluttered. Chaotic. Horrible.

  212. Anonymous says:

    Guys,

    Have a look at the zoom control in Office 12.

    It’s much better than yours. (It’s a little slider down in the taskbar, with a nice "notch" at 100%).

    For the sake of consistency between applications (and because it’s better), please use the O12 style zoom.

  213. Anonymous says:

    Greetings from Italy.

    So far so good. I’m a Microsoft enthusiast, I’m happy to have not to use firefox to surf the web anymore.

    Good job folks. bye.

  214. Anonymous says:

    Why anybody would combine the Refresh-button and Go-button beats me. They have a completely different purpose! Refresh refreshes the _current_ page, Go takes you to a _new_ page (or the same if you don’t change the URL). It’s like combining the Forward-button and Backward-button – ’cause they’re both navigational buttons!

  215. Anonymous says:

    The look and feel is much better than that of the older browsers.

    The slightly ‘buzy’ look of the window could be improved by following the ‘Inductive’ UI approach more closely. That is, at any point in time, a user should be able to look at the window and know what to do next to accomplish their task.

    For existing customers that might not be so much of a big deal as the appearance is familiar. For new customers there may be slightly too many options to take in.

    One way to approach this is to display fewer options on startup and allow the user to be able to add new toolbars and features through a friendly way (rather than a properties type window). Icons such as the one on the ‘stop’ button and the ‘+’ can be made more intuitive.

    Overall, good work! I look forward to using it.

  216. Anonymous says:

    Usability Suggestions

    1) Ability to resize address bar/search bar. (Put a little splitter thing between the stop button and the search box)

    2) Ability to sort my favorites. The favorites menu in the ‘classic menu bar’ contains ‘sort by name’. However the context menu that appears in the new favorites thing is missing this.

    3) Visual feedback when back/forward get depressed.

    Also — When 2 ie windows get grouped on the taskbar, their icon switches to the old ie icon.

    Thanks

  217. Anonymous says:

    Tab Options

    I feel there needs to be more tab behavior settings. Lots more.

  218. Anonymous says:

    Ugh. What is it with Microsoft and Lego colors. Are your products aimed primarily at children aged 3-9? I would assume not. So why do you offer adults these hideous color-coded-for-infants interfaces, silly MSN butterflies and assistant puppies? I’m 37. I’m through with diapers and I don’t party with Ronald McDonald.

    I have two screens in front of me. On one I see IE7 in WinXP. On the other I see Safari on OSX. A slick, intuitive, minimalistic, subdued UI that stands back in favor of the page contents. On the other I see the Toys’R’Us world of IE7.

    Can we grow up now? Please?

  219. Anonymous says:

    Could you please change IE7 so that it does not override the xsl that I and others apply to our RSS Feeds with the IE7 style sheet, thus removing the possibility of subscribing to my feed in anything except IE7? Thanks for listening.

  220. Anonymous says:

    IE7 appears to be a bit of a memory hog. I have 10 tabs open and IE7 is using over 120mb of memory. Compare this with memory-hungry Firefox, 15 tabs is using 88mb, and Opera, which has 13 open tabs and is using less than 30mb of memory.

    Obviously these numbers are fluid and not necessarily directly comparable, but it looks like there is room for improvement in this area.

  221. Anonymous says:

    I am just waiting its final release and replace FF with it. There’s only one thing I will miss, the adblocker:(

  222. Anonymous says:

    I like the new look, but it’s a long way from optimal functionality.

    I used to have my IE6 down to one line, so I had a big, wide-open screen. So when IE7 says it reduces the amount of lines in the header to open up the screen, I laugh…because it’s not adjustable.

    Also, this IE7 really looks alot like FireFox, perhaps FireFox mixed with Netscape with a little bit of Opera thrown in…too close. IE7 needs it’s own unique style and functionality. I haven’t really found anything that will pull me away from the other internet browsers.

  223. Anonymous says:

    However, I must say, I really like the "iRider" feature of having the thumbnail tabs feature, that’s great.

    Unfortunately again, while this is a great feature it is from another product…

    What are IE7’s UNIQUE style and features? If IE7 isn’t going to be UNIQUE then it should have ALL of the good features from ALL of the other browsers.

  224. Anonymous says:

    Gotta say I absolutely love the way RSS is handled, it’s a lot more elegant than Firefox’s way. Quick tabs seems smoother than foXpose for Firefox.

    Once there’s some form of adblock available and the toolbars are more customisable I’ll use IE a lot more.

  225. Anonymous says:

    How many tabs can be opened?

    Would be better if tabs could:

    Change position.

    Be multi-row or at least indicate there are tabs hidden when many are opened.

    Make tab bars thinner so you can fit more within view.

    Everything else is just great.

  226. Anonymous says:

    Wait, better change that to a minimiSe button and hyperlink coloUrs etc, etc…,

    I do hope you were joking…, please, leave it alone as favorites, MS is an American company, right?

  227. Anonymous says:

    How come the stop button is infact a close button (as far as look goes)?

  228. Anonymous says:

    How about making the old menu bar a mouse over option.

  229. Anonymous says:

    Who is the moron that decided the Stop & Refresh buttons needed to be moved away from the Back & Forward buttons? That makes no sense.

    Overall, I cannot stand the new interface. Too much change.

    I’m sticking with Firefox. Things just work in it.

  230. Anonymous says:

    I imagine someone has said this already, but here are my suggestions:

    1. Allow toolbars to be moved around anywhere.

    2. Place the "classic menu" at the top.

    3. Place all navigation buttons together by default–it’s annoying having the refresh and stop buttons way away from back and forward.

    4. Allow for rearranging of tabs.

    5. Keep the close button on tabs at all times, even if they’re not in focus.

    6. Place the new tab button thingy on the left so that it doesn’t move when creating a new tab.

    7. The thumbnail preview is a cool idea. It would be nice if it popped up when you mouse over the tab.

    8. Allow me to close all tabs.

  231. Anonymous says:

    I converted to Firefox, after being an IE user since V2, because of tabbed browsing and all the extensions available. I’m liking the new IE7, so much in fact that I’ve switched from Firefox back to IE, and will continue to test it until release and then make my decision about my default browser.

    So far I only have complaints about tabbed browsing as there are many features that overtake Firefox, the quick tabs being one, but also some that are sadly lacking:

    1) Clicking a link in an application opens a new browser window (this might be beta stuff)

    2) An option to automatically restore the last session

    3) Store multiple sessions and also allow the re-creation of closed tabs (I know history can be used so not a massive oversight)

    4) Firefox can restore a session when the browser crashes but I’ve seen instances where the restored tabs are from another previously closed IE session (see 1 above).

    5) Paul Thurrott’s site opens a new window when clicking the top right links, Internet Nexus/WinInfo, but changing the behaviour of IE’s tabs means the same new tab is used when clicking either link

    I’ve also noticed, although most likely another beta issue, that right mouse clicking the links toolbar (when displayed) doesn’t have an "Open in a new tab" option.

    Apart from those gripes a good job done to all. Sorry if my requests sound like wanting to turn IE into Firefox but without these features I fear I’ll be returning to Firefox after my pre-release evaluation of IE7 is over. I for one like the new interface, but then I also love the new Visa interface too.

    PS: Going full screen hides the top bars but the favourites sidebar remains (when pinned in position)

  232. Anonymous says:

    Here’s an idea (I saw it in some other browser) – when you hover a tab a tooltip pops up containing website title and its thumbnail. Much more usable than "quick tabs" for me.

  233. Anonymous says:

    The zoom feature has alot of potential. However, in its current state it is not useful to me because of the horizontal scrolling. If I have a monitor set at 2048×1536, it would be nice to zoom 200% and read the webpage like i was in 1024×768. Right now the browser keeps the width and just adds a horizontal scroll bar. No one likes horizontal scrolling.

    I constantly have to switch resolutions if I actually want to read the text on many websites when I have my resolution up very high. This feature has the potential of helping me with that. Some people might like it with the horizonal scroll bar, so I guess the optimal solution would be to have a setting to switch back and forth between the two.

  234. Anonymous says:

    The UI is confusing and inconsistent – within the application, and with the XP’s Luna interface. I definetly think IE7 should ship with a theme that is more suited to its OS environment. It seems all user-interface guidelines, and all forms of common sense have been brushed aside.

    And let us not pretend part of this mis-mash is due in part to the inflexibilities a combined OS and browser has put on this project.

    Not a fan.

  235. Anonymous says:

    Here are a collection of useful links for those people who wants to

    evaluate IE 7 Beta 2 Preview. Take…

  236. Anonymous says:

    too bad its not as secure as Firefox

  237. Anonymous says:

    The dropdown menu looks plain… lame πŸ˜‰ Don’t remove it, but place a slider (trackbar) next to it, just like in Office 12 status-bar! UI consistency, please

  238. Anonymous says:

    I agree change name of Favorites to Bookmarks!!

    Also I must have the File Menu at the Top Left.

    Also would like an option to hide or remove the Search Bar.

    Also I would like to be able to Drag and Drop the Tabs.

    I also would like to be able to view all my "Bookmarks" in multiple columns!

    Also Sub folders for the RSS Feeds would be great!

    All tool bars should be able to be moved.

    Use a real Red Stop sign for the stop button.

    Fix the Zooming like others have said.

    The Stop and Refresh buttons should be next to the Back and Forward buttons!

    If you do all this IE7 will be replacing Firefox on my PC!

  239. Anonymous says:

    I would LOVE if you could add the option like Firefox has for when you set a wallpaper as backround a menu pop up asking you to Tile,Center or Strech it and also aloow you to pick a color for the backround. Check out firefox and you will see what I mean. Its a nice short cut to have.

    With the way it is with IE6 or IE7 when I select make as backround I would then need to go to my desktop and right click and click Properties and do it from there. The Firefox way is a lot faster.

    PLEASE ADD THIS!!!

  240. Anonymous says:

    What where you thinking. IE 7 has a lot going for it but let the users choose what buttons go where. I use Home, refresh, and stop all the time. I like them to be next to each other. LET THE USER CUSTOMIZE. I just don’t get how the IE Team, could care so little about issues like these. The browser is the single most used application, and I see little progress in the IE browser. I just came back from VSLive and was wowed by the new Visual Studio. What it can do seems amazing. If the VS team can do so much, when it seems that the IE team has a much bigger user base, and does so little. The FireFox zealots have a lot of ammunition against us IE fans. Please give us users more control of the UI.

  241. Anonymous says:

    I can’t possibly read all of these comments, so I’m not sure how many times this was stated. (Hopefully a lot).

    I was really hoping that you could implement the "tabbed browsing" in a way similar to Firefox – in that they only use up valueable UI space when there’s MORE THAN 1 TAB. In other words, that whole bottom row can be merged into the row with the Back, Forward, and URL items.

    This would leave a very slick and slender UI area, and give more room to the web page – which it should.

  242. Anonymous says:

    This might have been said, but I would like the ability to "Force Tabs." For instance, if IE is already open, going to start > Internet Explorer would just create a new tab instead of opening another instance of IE. Sometimes it’s easier to just use your start menu than hunt around for IE on the taskbar.

  243. Anonymous says:

    The tabs are excellent. Pity they don’t work on mulktiple pages on the same web site, such as individual items on Ebay

  244. Anonymous says:

    Can you make it so you can right-click the forward and backward buttons to show the dropdown of previous pages? I know you can click the down arrow, but I am more used to right-clicking the Back button.

    Also, can there be a way to move the address bar to a position other then the very top? I am used to it’s previous location, with the main menu above it.

  245. Xepol says:

    FYI, still loving the zoom option.

    Just read Opus at Washington Post for the first time without having start a magnifying application (they seem to scan it too a smidge too small for the text to be readable without zooming.)

  246. Anonymous says:

    Ok. Finally installed the BETA 2 today.

    Excellent, so far.

    Perhaps I have been spoiled by SlimBrowser..

    I would like the option to Open a new Tab in the background.

    For example: I have a search result in one tab, and I would like to open multiple links without having to go back to the search result tab each time.

    Tabs being displayed in Alphabetical order, while nice if searching for a tab amongst a large number, is a pain when you have to look for the one you have just come from (or when you add open in background, going to).

    Another usefull option is to have the tab open next to the source tab.

    Another example:

    You currently have 3 tabs

    1 2 3

    You open a link from window 1 (call it 1.1)

    The current setup would result in..

    1 2 3 1.1

    A result I would like to see is…

    1 1.1 2 3

    Similar to the Taskbar Grouping, but based on the root web address instead of the program name.

    From what I have read elsewhere the Address bar is at the top for a reason. Might be nice to able to move some other button groups up there with it – more for people with lower screen resolutions, who want to maximise the display area of the web page?

    Something else I have noticed is the large pictures don’t seem to resize to fit the screen…

    Anyway, good going so far.

  247. Anonymous says:

    Question: why do some icons have text beside them and some don’t? Is it because they’re so bad they need the text, or do you just like inconsistency?

    Most of the icons don’t even resemble anything in the slightest, who’s making these icons?

    And someone tell me why IE7 can’t run on XP SP1!

  248. DeepFreeze3 says:

    The way I see it, the interface for Internet Explorer 7: Beta 2 has got to be one of the most stupidest things I’ve EVER seen!!  Overall, it feels like it’s been downgraded from the one IE6 has … BIG TIME!!!

    Let’s get into the details:

    **********

    1) The Classic Menu toolbar

    It used to be above everything. Now it’s shoved between the area between the addresss bar and where the tabs are, and that’s only if you turn it on (It’s off by default). DUH!! The total opposite should be the case!! It should, by default, be on, and be put back at the top where it belongs. It’s essential.

    2) Feed Button & Lock icon

    These are two things that are taking up valuable real estate. Both of these should be put into the address bar itself. Specifically, at its left end.

    3) Navigation Controls

    The back & forth buttons are way over to the top left, the stop & reload buttons are way over to the right, the homepage button and the someplace else, controls for the Favorites Center someplace else…WTF, man???!!! WTF???!!! That stuff used to be grouped together into one place so that it could be accessed easily. Now? It’s the total opposite.

    **********

    In short, IE7B2’s interface is just plain stupid!!  Ditch the damn thing & bring back the interface that IE6 had!! There was nothing wrong with it!!  It’s actually harder to browse the web with this version than in IE6. Whoever the hell is responsible for creating IE7B2’s idiotic interface should be reassigned…to janitorial duty!!

  249. DeepFreeze3 says:

    1) The Tab Bar

    Why can’t it just disappear, and pop up only when another tab is opened? Having it permanently stick around takes up valuable real estate. I don’t like having to go to fullscreen just to make it disappear. An option needs to be included in IE7 that allows the tab bar to pop up only when one or more tabs are open.

    2) The Tabs Themsleves

    Multiple tabs need to be allowed to be rearraged via drag-n-drop (i.e. using your mouse cursor to move tabs around the tab bar into any order). Tabs, also, need to be given the ability to be selected via simply moving your mouse cursor over them.

    What about tab duplication? You should be able to right-click on a tab and select an option which allows you to duplicate any tab that you want.

    3) The New Tab button

    Why does it only appear on the main tab, or on the last tab at the end of a group of multiple tabs? There should be a seperate New Tab toolbar button created, and it should be put right next to the default tab. Specifically, to the left of it, where the Favorite Center controls are.

    4) Tabbed browsing…not on by default???

    Why the IE7’s people chose to make tabbed browsing something that you could turn on or off, I will never know. That doesn’t make any sense to me at all. It should be a permanent thing, one that isn’t allowed to be turned off by the user. A browser with tabbed browsing, inherriently, using less system resources than a conventional browser. I’d much rather have 6 tabs with one window opening up that six seperate windows opening up (The latter would probably crash the browser & the computer it was installed on).

    5) External links opening in seperate windows

    Clicking any link that causes another seperate window to open defeats the purpose of having tabbed browsing. External links should be forced to be opened in a new tab. Again, the more windows you have, the less system resources your computer has, and then everything slows down, crashes, or both.

  250. DeepFreeze3 says:

    When you go to fullscreen in IE7B2, the interface just totally disappears…which is not a good thing. There should be an option to have the navigational controls (back & forth buttons, stop & reload buttons, homepage button, favorite center controls), the address bar, the built-in search bar and the tab bar be visable at all times. That way, you could browse in fullscreen mode without having to hit the top of the browsing window with your mouse cursor just to make the interface pop up so that you can do anything.

    And, also, everything should be a hell of a lot smaller. Everything is just TOO large!! Plus, it takes up too much space in the browsing window. In fact, ditch this goofy IE7B2 interface for the one IE6 had. It made a hell of a lot more sense that the current interface.

  251. Anonymous says:

    There a lots of things to like about IE7, but not every change that you’ve made is for the better. I realize that you can’t please everybody with every change, but here goes …

    Until the moment I installed IE7 Beta 2, the usage of Ctrl+Mousewheel < used > to have the effect of changing the text size through the five available values (Smallest, Smaller, Medium, Larger, Largest).  I first discovered this behaviour three or four years ago from a tip on the Microsoft web site. I have come to rely on it heavily,  It’s far easier to do this than use the mouse, hunt for the Text Size menu option, open the list and finally select the desired text size.

    With IE7 the Ctrl+Mousewheel has been unilaterally changed to perform zooming. This has violated the "Do No Harm Principle" — see http://notestoneunturned.blogspot.com/2005/07/do-no-harm-principle.html — and therefore is BADNESS.

    I visit dozens and dozens of web pages every day, quite a few of which have poor readability by using very tiny text sizes. Users like me with high-resolution monitors and/or poor eyesight need to be able to readily adjust text.

    I would only resort to zooming on sites using fixed-sized fonts which cannot be resized via the Text Size menu pathway.  Zooming can be quite useful, but the problem with it is that it causes EVERYTHING on a Web page is zoomed, not just the text. This leads to text overflow (rather than wraparound) on the right hand side of the window. something to be avoided since you don’t want then to be forced to scroll horizontally. In contrast, using the Text Size menu normally readjusts the text via wraparound  and rarely if ever causes text overflow on the right border.

    So please reinstitute Ctrl+Mousewheel to its previous behaviour (adjust text size) and use some other key combination for  zooming — be consistent  and "do no harm" …

  252. Anonymous says:

    I’ve been a long time user of Firefox and am a web developer, for the sake of joining the sheep I might just start using IE7 again… it means i’ll be developing on what most people see which makes sense.

    There are a few things with your new toolbars that I think Firefox still has over ya:

    1. It is far nicer to have a single close box (like FF) for all tabs so you can quickly get rid of them rather than having to click each individual one across the top of the browser

    2. Is there going to be an icon on the "new tab" tab or only on roll over, my grandma would have troubles knowing how to use it (gotta please grandma) :p

    3. Refresh and Stop being where they are is taking me far longer to get used to than normal… its bugging me… but… change is ok I suppose πŸ™‚

    Thats about it πŸ™‚ Keep up the good work πŸ™‚

  253. Anonymous says:

    For a couple of years I have been using and depending on Avant Browser to improve my productivity. (It’s an extender for IE, see the home page http://www.avantbrowser.com/ — there are other extenders that do similar: Maxthon, Enigma, etc. Then there’s Opera browser, and Firefox browser with plenty of community-provided extensions.)

    Most of these allow you to have  your tabs displayed elsewhere than at the top of the screen. This is VERY useful, to avoid "clutter" near the top of the screen. I find that with more than a few tabs open at once, IE7 starts becoming too "busy" at the top of the screen.

    Also, extenders like Avant Browser allow tabs to wrap around, and usually you can specify the maximum number of wraparound lines displayed. If you’re a power user and have (say) 15 or 20 tabs open at once, you can easily take up two or three lines of tabs. Because of this, I prefer to display the tabs at the BOTTOM of the screen, to reduce clutter at the top. This works well.

    Another extremely handy option of Avant Browser (and others) is to be able to rearrange relative tab positions via drag-and-drop, so putting related tabs close together and enabling the switching to and fro between tabs more rapidly. This is a really < neat > capability.

    IE7 Beta 2 had added an X on each tab so that you can close the tab. The others have this too, but also they enable some form of clicking on the tabs — usually double clicking, often configurable — to close the tab. For power users who look at hundreds of Web pages daily, this is far more efficient than having to click < precisely > on the X to close the tab.

    It’s rather surprising that Microsoft, with its vast resources —  while doing some very nice things with IE7 (like the elegant Quick Tabs capability for thumbnail previewing of tab page contents) — has implemented an extremely limited set of tabbing features. For everybody’s benefit, you really should implement a much richer set of tabbing features in the final IE7 release.. In comparison, the features already in such small-team products as Avant Browser should make you feel a little ashamed!

  254. Anonymous says:

    It makes sense to remove the "Go" button from the normal address bar, but why is there a "Go" button for the search bar if there isn’t one for the address bar?

    Consistent:

    – Conforming to the same principles or course of action.

    – Conforming to one standard or rule.

  255. Anonymous says:

    There are times when one window already has many tabs open and (even assuming multiline tabs as per a posting of mine a short while ago) opening yet another tab in the same window would be just too much!

    So opening a link in a completely new window makes sense, if not overdone — your point about not having too many separate browser windows being quite valid.

    I have also found from bitter experience that performing a large file download (or opening a larege PDF document, or an intensive webcast) in a tab in a single window can cause browsing performance in the other tabs to suffer  badly. Doing the download in a separate window can ameliorate this significantly.

    So having this option is well worthwhile. IN fact, it would be nice to move a resource-hogging tab to a new window on the fly, since you often don’t realize that it’s a resource-hogger until after it has commenced!

    And in the same vein, it would be able to right-click on a tab and open it in a new window, and maybe also to be able to duplicate it in the same window. … The other tabbed browsers (Avant, Opera, Firefox) already have  features like this, so why are they so obviously lacking from IE7?

  256. Anonymous says:

    Re: posting Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:45 PM by DeepFreeze3 … "External links opening in seperate windows … Clicking any link that causes another seperate window to open defeats the purpose of having tabbed browsing. External links should be forced to be opened in a new tab. Again, the more windows you have, the less system resources your computer has, and then everything slows down, crashes, or both."

    ———————

    Your point has some validity, but there are some good reasons for (at imes) wanting to operate in separate external windows.

    For example, if you’re doing an operation like opening a large PDF document or a resource-hogging webcast, you might prefer it to run in a separate (external) window so that it doesn’t have as much effect on what you’re doing in the other tabs in the current window.

    Or if you already have too may tabls open in the current window, it can be less cluttered to open the link in a completely new window.

    Or if you want to save a group of tabs but not all of the tabs you have in the current window, then perform this tab group saving in a different window.

    It all depends on how you want/like to operate.

    In fact, "it all depends" would be the key thing with respect to many other feeback itmes in this blog. There a many different "communities of interest" (those that worry about CSS conformance, those that worry about user interaface and don’t do development and so couldn’t care less about CSS, etc) — and unlike, say, Firefox with its non-propietary nature and its extensions that can be provided by all and sundry — Microsoft Microsoft will have to balance the needs of all and come up with a quality final result that, undoubteldy, will never be able to satisfy us all. It’s showing lots of promise at this IE7B2 stage, but like others I reckon that a lot more needs to be done to it before it goes gold.

  257. Anonymous says:

    I apologize for the typos and doubled-up words in my several posts earlier today.

    This is 2006. Why cannot comments windows like this (and everywhere else) have a proper interface? Wider, deeper, resizable? Why no built-in spellchecker? Etc. Enough said!

  258. Anonymous says:

    Tony, that’s true, and that’s why there should be a right-click command to open a link in a seperate window, all other windows would open in separate tabs by default, or by option.

    It is possible to accomodate everyone’s needs in this respect, all you need is the option and then everyone can customise to their hearts content. For example Firefox has these options and it can fit everyone’s needs.

  259. Anonymous says:

    Strange, but as compared to IE6 and Firefox, I find that the button (iconic buttons) are clustered and there is NO means that can make them together. The buttons that are clustered and scattered are

    Left Side (Fav, +, Quicktabs) and on Right Side are (Tools etc etc….)

    It would be highly appreciated if you could make these buttons together.

    also the Address bar is NOT movable to…. any other location (such as below the File-edit-view menu) … it contradicts to having a standard user interface… even firefox does this better!… why not microsoft’s own software?

    i would love to have file-edit-view menu on top and below the buttons (iconic buttons) and then below the adddress bad… (a standard feature in ALL browsers) including those on Macintosh.

  260. dhs13 says:

    Don’t you think that Micrsosoft can get it right at least once.

    I downloaded Beta 2 of IE 7.

    I noticed the following:

    1. Since I had Beta 1 installed, I had to remove it by logging on to that machine with the user name that installed. I guess that being the administrator doesn’t cut it anymore.

    2. Microsoft never clicks on Empty Temporary files on exit.

    3. Microsoft has decided to "Enable Install on Demand by IE and Other as a default item. Why?

  261. Anonymous says:

    OH MY FREAKIN’ GOD DO I EVER HATE THE NEW INTERFACE!

    How about an option to allow us to use the classic toolbars.

    I don’t see the point of tabbed browsing, as Windows XP groups windows together anyway.

    There’s only one feature in IE7 that I think is great and that’s it’s ability to handle attribute selectors.  Otherwise it sucks… give me back my IE6.

  262. Anonymous says:

    My God, I’m glad that I use a Mac.

  263. Anonymous says:

    The overall look is good but the functionality needs some tweaking or "untweaking" in some cases. I agree that all of the movement buttons(stop,home,refresh, back, etc) should be together at top-left.

    The address bar could have much less width, allowing for a classic menu along the top row.

    I don’t like all of the menu items buried in the drop-downs.

    My favorite new item is the print/print preview area. Excellent work!

  264. Anonymous says:

    The look definitely looks fancier, and you’ve put some consideration into reducing clutter, but the end result still feels designed by committee.

  265. Anonymous says:

    The UI is horrible,you are overkilling with shiny  buttons. The Quicktabs compression is total crap, and oh god, don’t even get me started on ClearType.

  266. Anonymous says:

    I don’t see why the classic (file etc) menu is stuck in the midle row.

    The reason is because of feedback? I say it deviates from every Windows UI directive since Win3 and 99% of applications (100% of microsoft applications in standard windowed mode). It should be user configurable or back at the top of the window beneath the title bar. However, hiding it with alt is cool.

    Also, I would like the ability to shorten the address bar (really an address that long is hardly memorable so what’s the point?) so that I can then place the command bar up there too.

    Furthermore and related to the above, I would prefer my tabs to have an unoccupied row. At 1024×768, which would be standard resolution nowadays with a basic desktop system arriving with a 15" LCD, it takes only four tabs for their titles to become less than revealing eg, "IEBlog: A New…", thanks to the command bar.

    I would also like to mention the stop button and refresh button too. One set of navs are round (back/fw) the others are square and are miles apart. The stop button also looks like a close button (especially if the Silver XP theme is active).

    On the otherhand, tabbing and quick tabs are great as are any help with phishing etc.

  267. Anonymous says:

    IE 7 interface looks worse than IE 6, especially because you can see tabs, when only one tab is open.  I also hate that the address bar is located where the "standard buttons" used to be.  The whole interface looks more cramped, and uglier.

    IE 7 beta 2 still have a ton of bugs.  The favorites menu didn’t even work for me.

    All in all I dont think i will be switching from Firefox.  It is still a superior browswer, and comes out with new innovation faster.

  268. Anonymous says:

    I’d very much like to see mouse gestures. This should reduce lots of mouse movements in the same page.

  269. Anonymous says:

    After a couple more days testing IE7B2, Ido like much of it, and don’t have the vigorously negative reaction of some commentators. The feeds/favorites work quite well for me, I like the 100%-125%-150% three-valued zooming control at the right end of the status bar, etc.

    You certainly can’t please everybody, it’s all very dependent on personal preferences and what you spend most time doing with browsers. Some don’t like the long address bar — but then without it how can some of us who need sometimes to work with very long URLs get by? Some cannot see the productivity gains of tabbed browsing, others can’t live without tabs! Some claim things are broken, when they seem to work finve for others. They want this feature here, and that feature over there,  these buttons grouped together, and so on.

    With some justification, a lot of the griping seems to arise from IE7’s fixed placement of features that used to be customizable in previous IE releases. On this basis, I definitely concur with several commentators who recommend making a whole pile of things tailorable.

    Why not something like the "extensions" that Firefox offers?… Perhaps too scary for Microsoft in terms of the security implications (which we all know is a MAJOR consideration for Microsoft). And if the developers of extended browser products  (like Maxthon, Avant Browser, and the rest) can quickly and smoothly migrate their extensions to IE7, even at this beta stage, then a lot more people would be pretty happy.

    – – – – – – –

    And further on my previous posting, about the Ctrl+Mousewheel being commandeered by IE7 for zooming when it used to be used in IE5 and IE6 for setting the five font sizes "Smallest" through "Largest") … I now realize that it has a dramatic effect on some other apps that render their HTML content using IE. They do not have any mechanism for adjusting their font sizes, so I’m undergoing pain due to the tiny fonts in some of them that I can no longer adjust since Ctrl+Mousewheel doesn’t work the old way any more.

    Also, I’ve noticed that Firefox uses Ctrl+Mousewheel motion for zooming exactly opposite to the way that IE7 does. No consistency across browsers, but then why should I dare to expect this! Not a criticism of IE7, but wouldn’t it be nice if there was more uniformity. In Australia we drive on the left of the road with the driver sitting on the right, and the turn indicators on the right — except for some cars designed overseas where they leave the turn indicator on the left of the wheel and sometimes I switch on the wipers instead of the the turn indicator. Oh well…

  270. Anonymous says:

    There are some features that I find aggravating. Some of these issues have been already brought up.

    1. I can’t move the "back" and "forward" buttons nor can I move the address bar. I can’t move the "home" button up to the first line.

    2. I can’t get rid of the search box. If I want to search, I will visit a search website.

    3. The top bar is forced to be huge, which I hate. I would like the menu and address bar and other buttons to be able to fit on one thin line at the very top.

    4. I can’t get rid of the tabs (I usually like them hidden unless I’m using them).

    5. The "back" and "forward" graphics look bad. For example, the outline is not sharp. It would be nice to have graphics with dark bold colors instead of washed out pixilated graphics.

    6. There is a HUGE privacy flaw! Follow these steps to find out why:

     A. Visit a website.

     B. "Delete Browsing History"

     C. Close the window.

     D. Open a new window.

     E. Right click beside the tabs, and then click "Restore Last Tab Group".

    Your privacy is gone! The last website you visited is exposed.

    Thank you. I will use Firefox until these issues are resolved.

  271. Anonymous says:

    Well i tried IE 7 beta 2. It looks good, but to me it still has lots of problems….

    The bad things:

    1. Most of the sites i have visited works incorrectly in it, including microsoft’s own – live mail, live.com, even yahoo mail looks strange most of the times in it.

    2. For most sites that it works for, it shows a strange character at the end of the line, i guess that’s the "newline" character ? I tried changing few settings but just can’t remove it!

    3. The resized popup windows are not displayed correctly, most of the content of resized popups is missing.

    4. When i tried setting multiple homepages, IE would crash everytime πŸ™

    5. It seems to have few memory leaks, when i left it open for a couple of days it was eating ~180MB of memory.

    The good things:

    1. It has a far better look then the traditional IE, the menu bar is gone, tabbed-browsing is there, RSS integration is there, session saver is there

    2. The best thing for me is that most used features have a 1-2 click access, including RSS feed subscription, add to favorites, change homepage n all.

    3. ClearType fonts.

    4. ZOOOOOOOM !! this is really good πŸ™‚

  272. Anonymous says:

    Yes, RSS feed integration, 1-2 click access for some features, Clear Type (and so on) are indeed nice, aren’t they!

    Incidentally, regarding Clear Type it’s not apparent from the mentions given above whether the Clear Type in IE7B2 makes any difference if you already have it switched on in Windows XP (which some or even many users do not know about, since it’s hidden away under Display Properties > Appearance > Effects).

    – – – – – – –

    Back to my issue about IE7B2’s dropping of IE6’s use of Ctrl+Mousewheel to quickly and conveniently alter text size by scrolling through the five sizes… I have just dug up a reference to this, see http://www.microsoft.com/Office/previous/2000/tips/office.asp From this it appears to be a feature of more recent versions of some Office products.

    But as for the golden rule of striving for user interface consistency: this doesn’t appear to have circulated too well around the development labs at Redmond! To illustrate, if you do a search of Microsoft.com for "increase text size" you find out that some other Microsoft products support (or used to support) changing text size by a range of different keyboard shortcuts. Thus one product uses (or used to use) CTRL+SHIFT+> while  another product uses CTRL+] and yet another uses a magnifying glass icon with a plus sign, and so on.

    So please stop chopping and changing! Why not stay with the ESTABLISHED IE6 PRACTICE of using Ctrl+Mousewheel to scroll text size, and maybe change zooming to Alt+Mousewheel or similar? Consistency, consistency, consistency!

  273. anxiety1969 says:

    kinda awesome job but theres no go button even though i dont use it kinda feel naked with out it…and i was really hoping there would be new colors to add if wanted….good idea on choice of tabbed or not but no choice on colors of buttons….

  274. Anonymous says:

    I know it has been mentioned numerous times, but I would like a refresh all or an auto-refresh options for the RSS feeds.

  275. Anonymous says:

    It doesn’t seem intuitive to have to move the cursor to the opposite side of the screen to "Refresh" the page, and then back to the original side to press "Back".  

    The same goes with the buttons located on opposite sides of the tabs.  The UI team should know better than to send users to the farthest opposite corners of the screen to access similar-task buttons.  

    The stop button doesn’t visually tell us "Stop".  It seems to suggest "Close this window", as some other users have pointed out.  Hint: think of the international shapes of the ‘stop’ traffic sign.  

    And I know that it’s a beta version, but the icon set on the main toolbars look a bit unfinished.  Some of the icons seem to have insufficient drop shadowing.  The result of this is a set of icons that doesn’t look like a matching set.

  276. Anonymous says:

    Would be nice to see improved searching for the current webpage.  The ability to highlight the color of found search items and the ability to search selected text would be nice.

    I like the preview so far and agree that the ability to customize the UI should be something we see.

  277. Anonymous says:

    1) Put the refresh/stop next to back/forward where they are in every other browser. And allow the address field to be smaller (through customization). Why did you get rid of the ability to customize half of the toolbar, anyway, and to move the toolbars around horizontally. like the icon menus (star + home print, Page, etc.) next to the File Edit View menu at the top, then on the next line the browser buttons, address bar, then the Links menu. Why can’t I do that? Why make IE 7 less flexible than IE 6?

    2) The tab functionality is close, but no cigar. The way that people really want to use this is to have a bunch of predefined sets of tabs (say one set for News, one for Accounts, one for Sports). Then, you would like to have each of those sets open up in their own browser window when either you launch the browser, or you click on some alias. As well, it would be great to have a choice for the names in the tab to be locked to what a user chooses, rather than just be the name of the page (otherwise every tab has some stupid name such as Login, Signin, etc.) I would like them to say CNN, NYTimes, ABC, etc., and I’d like to be able to name ’em myself (if I use small names, I can have more tabs!!!!)

    It would be great for you to fix both of these, but of course #1 is a PRIORITY!!!

  278. dchan1936 says:

    This is like Firefox there is no difference,. the point of new program is that it is suppose to look different from other programs

  279. Anonymous says:

    Love it.  Love the tabs.  Would love it better if you made the work area customizable.  

  280. Anonymous says:

    I like the new UI, but have two suggestions about the tabs:

    1. Be able to move the tabs into a different order. FF1.5 got this, and I find it more useful than I thought I would to group open tabs.

    2. One click close on a tab that is not the current one. Right now you have to click the tab, then click the close. Suggestion: when you hover over a non-active tab show its close box and let the user click it.

    Thanks.

  281. Anonymous says:

    I love the new tabs.  The tabs are almost big enough to make 2 rows of text when the tabs get compressed.  Just a thought.

    One problem.  IE7 breaks Outlook Web Access on Exchange Server 2003.

    Thanks Jason

  282. Anonymous says:

    1.Throbbers and Toolbar back bitmaps please.

    2.Favicons on the URL tabs like the MSN tabbed interface.

    3.Moveable toolbars

    4.Location URL’s in Modal Windows displayed in the Status Bar like the XP-IE6 implementation. Drop-down history list serves no purpose as you cannot navigate.

    5.A better Buttons manager to allow changing button icons.

    6.A separate satellite dll or registry entries to allow customizations of interface button images.

    7. Customizable Links toolbar with right click menu options to add new folder or link

    OR

    An Add to Links Interface like Deepnet explorer.

  283. Anonymous says:

    Refresh/Stop: separate buttons, please. I hate the merged refresh stop because if there’s any delay in the user interface (say, caused by a slow-starting plugin) you can find yourself hitting refresh instead of stop (which is really annoying when you were trying to stop that slow-starting plugin… and now you’re loading it again). At least make it an option.

    Layout preference:

    Top of page: menu bar. I’m not a big fan of Microsoft but I think they got a lot of user interface details just right, and they’ve done a reasonably good job of keeping them all consistent. Any program that violates the UI bugs me.

    Top row: Back, forward, refresh, stop, address, search, progress indicator.

    Second row: User selectable frequently used command icons (with some reasonable defaults: add bookmark, print, zoom, add tab, …) and favorites.

    Third row: tabs, all the way across.

    And CONSISTENT STYLE.

  284. Anonymous says:

    There should be an option to have links invoked from other programs appear in a new tab of the current IE window, instead of creating a new IE window. This is one of the features I found very useful in Firefox. In Firefox, the option is:

    Open links from other applications in:

    o A new window

    o A new tab in the most recent window

    o The most recent tab/window

  285. Anonymous says:

    how come the "open in a new tab" disappear from the context menu after some time

  286. Anonymous says:

    I like the addition of tabs….but they could be more helpful if I could open them with all of my links at once. I generally use the links within each session. If you think of the home page as just a special link it makes sense.

    Saying it a different way, when I open IE7 it pre-configures more than just the home page, in my case adding about 6 tabs.

    What I don’t get is why lock the back/forward address search bar? And you have locked it as far away from navigating on the page as possible??? Why?

    On my 19" screen the address line is 11" long, I don’t need it….first I would never type anything that long and secondly I would cut it paste if I need it elsewhere. It is a waste of space. Since I an not going to remove the Google search bar, you should just give up and remove the redundant one you added, or make it optional….but I repeat that you have locked the top bar. I would much rather see the bac/forward, refresh, stop and Home page buttons much closer together.

  287. Anonymous says:

    IE 7 has some problems rendering Yahoo mail (http://mail.yahoo.com/?.intl=us) screens properly.

  288. Anonymous says:

    Here’s a thought. Why doesn’t the IE7 dev team just work on coming up with a slick Theme for Firefox? Then release it under the MS brand, and everyone will be happy. You guys get to design your own buttons (with colors!) and everyone else gets the benefit of a decent browser.

    Honesty, you spent so much time "rethinking" the UI that you put the GO and REFRESH buttons together, made the STOP button look like a CLOSE button, and then put the tab bar cramped in with 1,001 useless icons. Honestly, WTF?

    Everything about this screams "DANGER WILL ROBINSON"

  289. Anonymous says:

    DANGER, DANGER?

    Heh. Lost in The Web, with Billy Mumy as the young Bill Gates, and the Robot as Clippy…

    "Microsoft Researcher Dr. Zachary Smith has declined to comment on allegations that he deliberately sabotaged the Webship IE 7, sending it into uncharted URLs…"

  290. Anonymous says:

    Well I guess it’s my turn to pile on, especially after reading all the posts and people having the same complaints but since you’re still in the development stage now’s the time. πŸ™‚ It took me all but 10 minutes to figure out IE7 was a huge waste of bandwith downloading. I could have made better use of that by going to archive.com and getting a copy of some Popeye cartoon.

    There are too many flaws here to go over than I have time for, least of which includes the stripping of extremely useful even if minor features from previous versions such as autohide of toolbars when in full screen. But the most obvious and glaring mistake was the preventing of configurability with the toolbars. Maybe that’ll eventually be fixed in the final version, we can only hope.  

    Even so it’s quite apparent what you’re trying to do, and that is set a new standard that doesn not include the Classic Menu bar. Sure it’s in there but it’s not on by default and when one is lucky enough to find how to turn it on it’s in the middle spot instead of the traditional top. It almost looks like you’re trying to make it so unattractive that we give it up, similar to a mother trying to wean her baby off the bottle.

    All I got to say is good luck with that. It’ll be another failed attempt as was your stab at changing the standard for audio encoding. Mp3s still rule and will for the foreseeable future. Why? Not because it’s been around for 10+ years and people are used to it. No it’s because  it’s BETTER than WMA. Likewise with your new UI, quite frankly it’s lousy and so your hoped for new standard can be expected to fail. Other browsers like Firefox, Mozilla etc will always give consumers the ability to configure it the way they like for many years to come, even in Vista and future OSs.

    So to sum up, if you want us to go on using IE, and btw, I think IE6 is fantastic then you better listen to the complaints. People do not like to be spoonfed, especially when the food is garbage.

  291. Anonymous says:

    Just another comment, but this fails the "I’d explain it to my parents" test for me. The buttons are all over the place, the favourites are hard to spot, the menubar move is not consistent with old conventions or new office styles. And that’s just the superficial confusions. This application has to be the #1 most usable thing on the PC because it’s critical to so many people these days. I find it hard to believe this is succeeding in mom-and-pop usability testing. Is it?

  292. Anonymous says:

    Opening Microsoft update in Win XP Pro opens up a IE6 look page (i.e. WINDOWS explorer) rather than a IE7 look page.  I know it will probably be OK in Vista, but in XP you then have to comeout of the old style face rather than carry on browsing in the new style.

  293. Anonymous says:

    The UI changes are unnecessary but fine, if you think they’re cool then whatever but why did you A) not allow the buttons to be manually moved back into the order millions of people are used to and B) not have a classic UI option to undo all of the UI changes?

    This is the kind of thing that kills great software.

    I personally think the new UI is horrible

  294. Anonymous says:

    I like the improvements, I want to switch beck from firefox, and IE is almost ready for that. There are two things firefox does that IE dosen’t that are extremely important and fairly important, respectively: the search needs to open up a bar that searches the page as you type in the search (like firefox), rather than the old IE6-style dialog box and there needs to be the firefox-style download window or something like that where all your downloads are visible in one window.

  295. Anonymous says:

    I love the new IE!

    But one thing:

    I would really appreciate the rebirth of the ctrl+wheel text size changing. Zooming is not always what I want (and scrolling gets slower when zoomed) and it is a bit annoying to have to go to the "view" menu. Please implement another shortcut (like shift+wheel or whatever), so we can change the text size again. If possible in more steps than before.

    thx.

    crimpel

  296. Anonymous says:

    Definitely useless for me without an email icon

  297. Anonymous says:

    I love 90%. Lots of compliments.

    The 10% – Please let me customize the toolbar without restriction.

    The new command bar is great, I like the consolidation, but why can’t I turn off the remaining text labels after I’ve learned them. If I forget, there is always a tool tip.

    The History, Favorites integration and additional features is really good work. I like the structured view I can get of the favorites folders. Personal nirvana is still out of reach for favorites. I need something, perhaps not in IE, to tame favorites. They have grown into a huge, important, and sporadically useful collection of sites. Despite 500 folders, consistent organization is definitely lacking. I prune dead sites, but my ability to effectively mine the data in my favorites appears to require an organizational effort for which I never seem to find the time.

    Like many others here, I keep a row of links with three letter abbreviations. Now I can have even more with distinctive icons. It would be nice if there an easy way to get the icons back that appeared initially and briefly when the link was created (and which disappear the first time you flush your temporary internet files)

    The classic menu’s are out. Since I’m still β€œin training”, I’ll pop them in with <ALT> sometimes, but for the most part it’s good riddance.

    I saved the worst for last. IMHO, you guys really missed on the first row.

    I need to customize the width and position of the address and search elements.

    Right now, my Google Search occupies an entire second line and I need only about 3/5 of a line for it. With IE6 I had a search slot on the left, Google choices in the middle, and the address bar on the right. I tend to need a wider search bar than an address bar since only the shortest addresses are typed in, the long ones I get from somewhere else.

    Thus, what I was doing in one line in IE6 takes 2 poorly used lines in IE7. The links bar take the third line, and the tabs and command bar occupy the fourth.

    If I must have four lines, I may move the command bar to the left side of the second line with my search slot and commands on the right–leaving a full fourth line for tabs, which, given how I work, I suspect I will need.

    Thanks again for your good work. With enough customization options, I won’t have to really work at all. 

  298. Anonymous says:

    My .CHM files (compiled help) don’t work anymore with IE7 installed.

  299. Anonymous says:

    Jeg har brugt Microsoft Windows siden de udgav Windows 95, og jeg har egentligt altid syntes det var grimt. S kom Windows NT 4, der havde bret dele af sin brugerflade med fra NT 3.51 (Der lignede Windows 3.11), s det var endnu grimmere.Derp kom Windo

  300. Anonymous says:

    Hi everybody, Max here. I posted before about &quot;A New Look for IE” back when we released the beta 2 preview,…