Back from the PDC…next up, WinHEC

This has been an amazingly special week for the Windows 7 team.  We’re all incredibly appreciative of the reception of Windows 7 this week at the PDC.  Thank you!

All of us on the team have been closely watching the news reports and blogs of those who have been “kicking the tires” of the Windows 7 pre-beta.  The reception has been fantastic and we’re humbled by the excitement and enthusiasm for the release.  We know we have a ton of work ahead of us to get to beta and then the path to RTM, and the reception has definitely given us an extra special motivation (though we were already pretty motivated).

Next week is our conference dedicated to the hardware partners in the ecosystem we have talked about.  Called WinHEC (Windows Hardware Engineering Conference), we’ll have another series of sessions and keynotes.  Jon DeVaan will be taking the lead as we dive into the details of “fundamentals” and the work we are doing with some of the many partners involved in Windows 7.  WinHEC also has a strong focus on Windows Server 2008 R2 (the server built off the Windows 7 kernel).  These sessions will all be available online as well.

So with all the shows we’re taking a short break from the blog as the folks that do the presenting are also the writers (myself included).

Below is a list of all the sessions on Windows 7 from the PDC.  Please take some time to have a look as the information is very detailed for sure.  How about using the comments on this post to ask questions of the sessions that you’d like to see more details on down the road?  That would be really helpful for us to target our posts.

Many of you have written asking about the beta and how to sign up or download it.  The best source for information on that will be the site which our product marketing team owns and will keep up to date as the beta information is available.  Also note that the Windows Vista blog which is where you will see announcements / news has been updated to reflect the inclusion of Windows 7.  This blog is now known as the Windows Blog.

One of the very fun moments for me at the PDC was an “Open Space” session on the floor of the “Big Room” which was an open-microphone discussion.  Channel9 captured this and might be a fun watch.  See

For those of you interested in the Windows 7 APIs and what’s new for developers there is an overview document that you might find valuable.  See Windows 7 Developer Guide on MSDN.

Thank you very much for all the emails you have sent.  I always share them with the team and really appreciate it.

Presentation URL
KYN02 Day Two #1 - Ray Ozzie, Steven Sinofsky, Scott Guthrie and David Treadwell (Windows 7 starts +17:00 minutes)
PC01 Windows 7: Web Services in Native Code
PC02 Windows 7: Extending Battery Life with Energy Efficient Applications
PC03 Windows 7: Developing Multi-touch Applications
PC04 Windows 7: Writing Your Application to Shine on Modern Graphics Hardware
PC13 Windows 7: Building Great Audio Communications Applications
PC14 Windows 7 Scenic Ribbon: The next generation user experience for presenting commands in Win32 applications.
PC15 Windows 7: Benefiting from Documents and Printing Convergence
PC16 Windows 7: Empower users to find, visualize and organize their data with Libraries and the Explorer
PC18 Windows 7: Introducing Direct2D and DirectWrite
PC19 Windows 7: Designing Efficient Background Processes
PC22 Windows 7: Design Principles for Windows 7
PC23 Windows 7: Integrate with the Windows 7 Desktop
PC24 Windows 7: Welcome to the Windows 7 Desktop
PC25 Windows 7: The Sensor and Location Platform: Building Context-Aware Applications
PC42 Windows 7: Deploying Your Application with Windows Installer (MSI) and ClickOnce
PC43 Deep Dive: What's New with user32 and comctl32 in Win32
PC44 Windows 7: Programming Sync Providers That Work Great with Windows
PC50 Windows 7: Using Instrumentation and Diagnostics to Develop High Quality Software
PC51 Windows 7: Best Practices for Developing for Windows Standard User
PC52 Windows 7: Writing World-Ready Applications
ES20 Developing Applications for More Than 64 Logical Processors in Windows Server 2008 R2

See you on this blog soon enough!


Comments (108)
  1. M.Hassaan says:

    I’ve watched windows seven in the keynote, and you’ve done some pretty good work there, i specially like the new "taskbar"… anyway, i havent checked those presentations (the links you provided) yet but i will and get back to you…

    Thanks Steven!

  2. Daniel Smith says:

    I also enjoyed the Windows 7 presentation.  Very exciting!!  I’d also like to use this space to make a couple UI recommendations for W7.  Transparencies, you already use it but you should use it a little more.  For example the jump start list or the wireless network list that pops up from the taskbar.  Those would look better if there was a little transparency in them not a lot just a little maybe 20-25%.  Also I’m not much of a fan of the glass border around windows, it’s fine on bigger windows but on small ones it looks funky.  Again the jump start list and the wireless network list would look better to me if it didn’t have that glass border or if you made the glass border less prominent.  I just think it’s too thick for such a small window.  

  3. domenico says:


    Congratulation TEAM Congratulation Microsoft 😀

    thanks for all your work

  4. RotoSequence says:

    It does seem to be a bit of a trend that a lot of space is wasted with the newer UIs in the form of glassy effects, which is something I’ve noticed in the Windows Live beta. It looks nice, but too much space is wasted in the form of graphical niceties and, well, spacing. Windows 7 looks like it will be awesome, I just hope the engineers realize when they should concede aesthetics for functionality.

  5. har0ld says:

    Thanks for the links!

    And congratulations, that’s what I call CHANGE 🙂 Can’t wait to play with the new UI!

    Idea for the dockable thing: please make it so that you can choose how much of width you want your docked app to be; for example I like to have an explorer windows on my right with 1/4 or 1/3 of the screen width (half is too much). An option menu with a slider could make it easily.

    Keep up the good work.

  6. pmenadue says:

    Hi Steven and Windows 7 Team,

    Congratulations on the initial discussion and presentations at PDC – Windows 7 looks impressive, and more – the code, the team, the development process all feels "tighter" than before.

    You haven’t discussed any virtualisation technologies such as App-V and whether Windows 7 brings any additional benefits here – might be a good one for a future blog entry?

  7. Windows 7 Forums says:

    Thanks for the update on where to find more info on becoming a beta tester – I’ve bookmarked the page and will keep an eye on it for updates 😉

    The presentations highlight some very positive changes, so I’m looking forward to trying it out once you’re at the public beta stage.

    As with the above commenter, I’d also be interested to see more info on visualisation in W7 if there’s a chance to cover it in a future blog post.

  8. snaven says:

    Finally! Windows Media Player has DivX built-in. That`s great Microsoft! But still i miss some codecs in WMP. You should add a codec support for OGG, FLAC, MKV and all the other common codecs. That would be super!

    Also I miss some functions in WMP. Both VLC and Media Player Classic can add subtitles to movies and stuff like that. QuickTime Pro can download streaming QuickTime videos.

    WMP should have all these functions. Then WMP will become the new hardcore media player!

  9. Laith says:

    I would really like to know more about the system requirements of Windows 7 and the different versions that will be on offer. I sure hope it will not be as complicated as the Vista offerings.

  10. domenico says:

    @Mr. Steven

    in this video  " Windows 7: Introducing Direct2D and DirectWrite "

    effect CD Cover is COOL

    In video 62 Min.

    this is WMP 12 ?

  11. rlopez says:

    Good work! I watched the W7 keynote…I’m looking forward to the beta.

    Any chance of multi-monitor support for the taskbar? I know that you had a blog post which mentioned it so I’m assuming it’ll be included in some release.

    What about something like ‘Spaces’ which OSX and Linux have?

  12. domenico says:


    i remember power toys of XP Virtual Desktop Manager , and Desktops 1.0 for Vista

  13. lyesmith says:

    One thing that maybe won’t change by default but would be nice to have it customizable. The window frames are too thick. 7 px frame width is too much on 3 side. Much worse 62px on top!

    Max 2 px on side and and lets say 30 on top would be enough.

    In general Windows 7 should be very careful with resources   whether it is memory or desktop space.

  14. Windows 7 looking real good, even in pre-beta state:^).  Hopefully the performance is there when the final RTM is released.  I’m really interested in the Direct2D and DirectWrite interfaces.  Is there any place I can get more info on these additions to DirectX?

    Tbanks, Matt.

  15. RonV says:

    The new features in Windows 7 are very exciting.

    What is most impressive to me is that just about ALL of the features, components, and tools, that were the source of all the complaints in Windows Vista appear to have been addressed in Windows 7.

    This proves that Microsoft DOES listen to all of the feedback from it’s customers.

    Good job, Steven!

  16. boen_robot says:

    OK, my comment seems to have disappeared, so let me take it on portions, hopefully getting all of it delivered that way.

    Very exciting presentation (the first one)… I still haven’t watched the all, but if they are as half as exciting and jaw dropping as the first one, it’s a very interesting set of presentations surely.

    I want to make some notes I’ve seen in comments here before and in the presentation.

    1. Windows… it appeared they are gone and replaced by thumbnails in the appropriate quick launch item. I think this is too much of a risk to take with the task bar. Users (me included) are too used to having Windows in the task bar and click from there. Having them be over the respective quick launch item is then counter intuitive. In addition, I may not be completely sure what was the program, but know the window title (e.g. did I opened "Yahoo!" in IE or Firefox?). It will be nice if windows were also visible on the right of the quick launch as is now + are arrangeable as the quick launch buttons are and have been already. Doing that will also enable custom (user based) task grouping of windows. For example, I may arrange all of my entertainment apps on the right (WMP, ICQ, IE with "latest MP3s") and all of my development tools (VS, IE with "MSDN" opened, etc.). With the current model, I’m forced to think in terms of "application" not in terms of "task". There are cases when I do want to think in terms of apps though, so having both models around is the best option in my opinion.

  17. boen_robot says:

    ..continuing from part 1…

    2. OOBE. It was mentioned before "why don’t you make Aero the default theme?". Now, I know that the reason is Drivers – you can’t know if the hardware is capable enough because you can’t recognize everything, and it’s impossible to be compliant with future and thus unfamiliar hardware. I’d like to propose a solution that is also a panacea for another common theme – OEM crapware, and how it damages Windows’ reputation. Upon Windows installation, prompt the user to insert a "Driver installation FDD/USB-HDD/CD/DVD/HD-DVD/BR" and start the installation of drivers and utilities from there. Be sure to inform the user what was detected, provide a short description of each, and give them the option not to install it.

    – Benefit for hardware manufacturers – be able to ship drivers that work with a fresh Windows installation, letting the OS take full advantage of their hardware.

    – Benefit for OEMs – be able to ship utilities and common programs directly out of the box and being able to update them separately rather than updating a full "Recovery CD" image.

    – Benefit for end users – the ability to easily opt out from OEM crapware and use up the full potential of their new machine.

    To make this work though, OEMs will have to be persuaded to use a common installer, like MSI, to install both drivers and utilities, and use a common place for description (say, the MSI file itself?). You must make serious commitments into finding out if they are ready for that, and address their concerns if they’re not by providing new free utilities for MSI generation and edition that address those concerns. The more customizations you allow in MSI installers (and MSI creators respectively), the better.

  18. boen_robot says:

    …continuing from part 2 (last one)…

    3. Learning center. No matter what you do, there will always be people who can’t intuitively grasp your UI until they read about it and/or spend a whole day with it and/or get it presented by a live person. You can help this type of people by providing a place in the welcome center for them to go to and read about the new stuff. No, not just the major features, but the "minor" UI improvements and what are the new equivalents of old things.

    An example – for my tech savvy father, having to first go to the "Network and Sharing Center" is counter intuitive. He’s used to just right click on "Status" and see/edit the settings from there. We’re (both) managing a small network, so we have to look and alter these settings often. For me, going to the center is fine, as it also shows some additional information which we previously had to reverse engineer by performing various pings, namely, whether we’re connected to the internet or just the local network, and also what networking features are enabled (sharing, discovery, etc.). It appears I’m one of the few though, as other colleagues (from other firms that is) also say the same thing as my father. Yet, when I show them the equivalent (after going to the center, click "status", or if the network is not connected, right click on that second last item, and you’ll get to the control panel place) they seem "relieved" and start to appreciate the new model more. If you can give these sort of instructions up front, you’ll certainly save savvy users a lot of time to learn Windows 7, and thus show it to the less savvy users (who don’t ever bother reading anything anyway).

    Hope you can comment on one or more of those in a future blog post. Thanks.

  19. d_e says:

    I watched keynotes and sessions all weekend long. On a notebook running Windows 7 (Build 6801). The quality of the build is stunnig!

    And I liked what I saw in the videos very much. You’re doing a great job – everything is better than I was expecting. Forget all comments, just keep doing what you’re doing. Even the usually boring keynotes were really interesting. Thanks, Steven and all the others.

    But I could really use a Windows 7 activation key… I "lost" mine 🙂

  20. boen_robot says:

    I’d like to "cancel" my first comment (almost). I watched another presentation in which I saw the real quick launch in more detail. So what I thought is quick lanch were really the Window groups.

    Still, are the window reordering and thumbnails available even with window grouping off? Hope they are. I never really liked this application grouping, exactly because I group my Windows based on tasks most of the time.

  21. domenico says:

    Winhec go in streaming like PDC?

  22. UserOfManyOperatingSystems says:

    The new show desktop feature is nice, but has an important problem.  As implemented, it shows your windows as outlines, but leaves your gadgets visible.

    1) Why do you show the window outlines?  Is that useful?  If you have lots of windows open, that could make it difficult to see what is below.

    2) Leaving the gadgets there makes it very difficult to see the icons below.  (Can you click on icons through the window outlines?)  You’ll have to place your icons (or gadgets) in such a way that they never overlap.

    3) Autoresizing windows when the mouse hits the side of the screen is likely to cause lots of problems for people who didn’t want their windows to stay on the screen and be resized.  What if you just want to move your window part way offscreen and not dodge the sides of the screen?  That takes a lot more work!

    4) Remove the word Windows or Windows Live from the front of every program.  It makes it hard to find programs when every program begins with the same one or two words, and it provides no useful information.  We know we’re running Windows.  Really.

    5) Power options: balanced vs power saver: It’s clear that power saver will save me power, but what is balanced,exactly?  Does that mean that it saves me some power?  That it saves me no power?  What if I want to run my system as fast as possible right now even if it drains my battery faster?

    6) Previews: You have a split pane between a preview and the files being displayed.  Consider that this may not be the best layout for displaying previews.  You’ll notice that there is lots of vertical space above and below the thing being previewed that isn’t being used.  If you rearrange things a bit, you could show a much larger preview with the same number of folders (or more folders) visible at the same time.  For example, perhaps the preview could be in the bottom right corner.  That would leave almost the entire window space available to see files too.

    7) Not so fond of the seafoam icon color for the notification area icons.  Perhaps we could choose the colors of those icons?  As they are, I’d be tempted to hide them so that I didn’t see the seafoam all the time.

    8) On notifications – there are a few programs (Outlook and the power warning come to mind) that display an icon that does…nothing.  There’s no indication of why the icon has appeared.  Sometimes, there is even a pop noise, but no indication as to why.

    9) Turning off individual icon notifications – awesome!  Some programs (HP’s Radia client comes to mind) change the name of their icon all the time so you can’t do this.  (Under XP, there are icons that I simply can’t even hide!)  You should be able to turn off all icons for programs, not just specific icons.

    10) It would be great to be able to magnify individual programs, rather than the entire screen.  I’m not talking about magnifier type magnification.  But maybe just scaling of certain programs.

    11) I like that the cheesy corporate curvy mesmerize your mind lines have disappeared.  This looks much nicer.

    12) Display: You should remember screen resolutions, icon positions, window arrangements, etc. so that when you change the displays you are connected to, you automatically restore the settings that you had before.  When using multiple monitors, I’m always fighting with Windows to keep things arranged as I want.

    13) Icons: Please let me keep the trash where I want.  Arrange icons shouldn’t move the trash unless I want it to.  ie. Separate arranging of special folder icons from files so that I can keep things where I want.

    14) Device stage seems like a way for companies to market to me, from what I’ve read about it.  I hope this isn’t the case…

    15) Ribbons: I love the ribbon, but please be sure to place icons near text that actually relates to their action.  Example) Outlook 2007’s encrypt mail icon is so close to text for another function that I have a hard time finding it, because it looks like the icon is related to something else.

    16) Can you add blocking of per program outgoing connections too?  Some programs should never be allowed to access anything!

    17) Homegroup: It looks like I’m either sharing all pictures/documents/videos/etc, or nothing at all.  Better sharing granularity is really important here.

    18) Credential manager: how are credentials protected?  Are they AES encrypted?  Are they stored as plaintext?

  23. pantera9 says:

    Part 2:

    – Notepad: I would like to be able to change the notepad tab width. It should be 4 by

    default and not 8. Code coloring also. And support for more encodings (and to save with

    other encodings). Possibility to see what line separators are used (and be able to change


    – Telnet installed by default.

    – Built in FTP graphical client (and a better http://ftp.exe)

    – Multiple desktops, or an "endless" desktop that could be dragged with zoom some cool zoom


    – "su/sudo"/user elevation in powershell (I haven’t tested 2.0 yet).

    – Calendar gadget should be integrated with windows calendar.

    – No more ugly gadgets like the cpu-meter.

    – More optional desktop effects like compiz (but no ugly or tacky effects like the burning

    or wobbly windows. Keep it professional).

    – Windows resource kit tools ship with windows 7.

    – RAR format file support.

    – Exposé-ish feature, or some alternative in addition to flip 3d.

    – Built in webcam utils.

    – More ‘longhorn concept’-animations as people have previously written here somewhere.

    – Ways to manage symbolic links graphically

    – Backup feature should allow restoring to other disks in case of disk failure. When a disk

    fails, people normally buy a bigger disk of a different brand. I had to use the old norton

    ghost (which is better than the new one by the way) to backup my disk.

    – Some way to move app windows that resides on a secondary display back to the primary

    display when the secondary disp in not on (or not working).

    – SVG for IE.

    – XML notepad should be included, but enhanced first.

    – mklink.exe must be supported in powershell

    – Rework most of the screensaves, including starfield which should look something like

    – A stopwatch app (gadget maybe?)

    – Native SSH connectivity support (in powershell maybe?)

    – Probably alot more… Good luck!

  24. pantera9 says:

    Part 3:

    – File content search (in vista pre-sp1) doesn’t work. Does it in sp1/2? Anyway, make it

    more like XPs file content search, or just better than XPs.

    – The ‘add font’ dialog should be upgraded. I’m sure you’ve heard this before.

    – cmd.exe should be replaced by powershell.

    – Some way to show how much space each folder in the current view uses. I had to develop my

    own quick’n’dirty implementation:

    – Include donkey.bas, nibbles.bas and gorrilas.bas in windows 7 ported to .net in their

    original form (and maybe new versions as well if time is on your side). Yes, I’m serious. Do

    it, today. Some people would love windows 7 JUST because of that.

    – A new sound recorder. The vista one in vista doesn’t really cut it. I want to be able do

    to what I could in sndrec32.exe. Speed up stuff and save in whatever format I like.

  25. pantera9 says:

    Part 1:

    – RDP screen as an extended desktop!

    – Some way to better manage "nested" RDP sessions. Like when computer 1 is connected to

    computer 2 that in turn is connected to computer 3.

    – Text difference tools, like som random diff app I found: Altova DiffDog.

    – Get some sort of Quick View back.

    – Ncurses, ansi.sys stuff in .net for cool retro console apps

    – File copy queueing and pausing. Just add an advanded-button to the copy-gui.

  26. WindowsFanboy says:

    I don’t understand why people are saying that Aero isn’t the default theme. I have installed Vista on many different PCs and as long as they have hardware that can run Aero, it is the default.

  27. jd2066 says:

    @UserOfManyOperatingSystems: Device Stage is not about marketing messages. Check out the Device Stage description and screen shot at (It’s near the end of the page).

    From what I read there, it sounds like it will be a useful feature.

  28. boen_robot says:


    Normally, that would be right. However, Windows can’t know if the video card is capable enough up front. It needs drivers for that (or the video card must be exactly one that is recognized). So, until you install drivers and refresh your systems’ grade, you get the "Vista Basic" theme, which is essentially Aero without transparancy and animations (and Flip 3D, and thumbnails, etc.). Users that don’t bother installing drivers unless they’re asked to are the same users that won’t bother changing the default theme and/or refresh their grade.

  29. magicalclick says:

    The new taskbar looks good. I still prefer the old way, but the task group is no longer as bad as XP, so I will give it a try.

    One thing comes to my mind. Language bar. What about language bar? It is one of the most annoying thing I have to deal with in my task bar. The width changes based on different language and its feature settings. It is far from consistent. Would you be replacing language bar with Jump List and or even buttons in the thumbnail window?

    And could there be an app icon I can hovor and show all my opened windows? The icon will show how many windows I have opened too. You know. Like traditional taskbar feature turned into one app icon and use thumbnail for traditional global task switching. At least this will help me adapt the new taskbar. Also I think such app is kinda cool.

    The new taskbar is in the right direction. Good job guys.

  30. yeehaamcgee says:

    boen robot, you are mistaken. I have installed Vista on several machines with geforce 8-series GPUs, and the only one that came up on vista basic initially, was one running a geforce 8600GT (which didn’t exist when vista shipped). However, on the first reboot of the machine, aero was automagically enabled. Windows sucked the correct driver via windows update, and installed it silently.

  31. LostLogic says:

    Watched the presentation and everything looked awesome! You are definatly heading in the right direction!

    On a side note though:

    You’ve made loads of great changes to the taskbar / startmenu, but I’ve yet to hear anything regarding the start menu being able to span across monitors. Will you guys work this feature into W7?

  32. boen_robot says:


    Yes – it didn’t worked initially because it was created after Vista was shipped. My point exactly. And until you connect your PC to the internet and wait enough for the update to be installed (assuming there IS an update available from Microsoft Update), you get the Vista Basic theme.

    If users were promted with driver installation upon Windows installation, their first experience with the OS will be better at the end of the installation (though you are indeed disturbing the flow a little by actually having this dialog). And if OEMs’ crapware can be manipulated at that same point – all the better.

  33. mvadu says:

    Hi Steven,

    In WinHEC can you urge the hardware partners responsible for shipping OEM Windows 7 to mass, to include a windows installation media? It really a pain to be in a situation where you have some part of OS corrupt and you do not have any way of restoring only OS (i mean upgrade installation if I have the media). Currently their restore disks restores the whole hard disk not just OS. No one can afford to loose 200+GB of data for the heck of correcting an OS file. Ultimately they would say "Windows Sucks.."

    Or ask your Windows marketing group to offer only Windows media (with out a license, which we can use with our OEM license) for a small price.

    I had an issue with Vista SP1 and MS Support suggested me to reinstall Windows, but I could not get a Windows Media. MS expected me to buy another license for 130$. I was not sure whom to blame because my laptop manufacturer said MS does allow them to ship media for OEM licenses, and MS said they can not provide a media for OEM licenses.

    Finally I solved my issue by searching for a legitimate copy of windows media in file sharing networks. I could find one and was able to install it with my OEM license.

  34. anonymuos says:

    I am shocked to see no classic Start menu in Windows 7. MS should not be so overconfident about Windows 7 and keep the classic Start menu and taskbar around. What other than Vista can best be a testimony to what happens when things change without giving users choice?

  35. says:

    I love the new Taskbar, but i see a little problem with her: Szenario: A Desktop with a Web Browser 3 Explorer Window and the Windows Media Player open, and i need to put a file from the Desktop to the Explorer.

    1. What to do in Vista: Press Crtl + WindowsKey. Drag the file from the desktop and go with the Mouse to the App in the Taskbar, the Windows come up and you can drop the file into one of the Explorer windows.

    But im dont now how you do that with the Superbar. Its now very god if every of the 3 Eplorer windows come up if you move your Mouse with the file on the Explorer Window.

    I think that will be a good way:

    1. Show Desktop. Drag the File, move the Mouse on the Explorer window. The Previews will show up like you havent a file. Now you move your mouse on one of the Preview, the preview with mouse over will show up like it will do without a file, i will say, on the mouse. But now you dont klick on the Preview, you move your mouse on the window thats in the front. Now you can drop the file into the explorer window. now you have just open the one Explorer window and the file is inside of that.

    I hope you understand my idea…i dont know how to tell that to Microsoft on a other way…

  36. snaven says:

    I couldn`t see any updates with the "Windows Transfer/Copy Tool" and the "Windows Delete Tool". You know that all of us would be happy if we could "pause a file transfer, and resume it an hour later. Sometimes you have to use the PC while you are transfering files, and everything goes damn slow. Then we would love to take it on "pause".

    Also… The most irretating thing is when I cant delete a file. I just HATE it! "File is in use by another program"…. No, it isn`t! But still its giving me the same message and I just cannot delete the file. Then I have to go downloading Killbox to do the work for me, but it should be easier than that shouldn`t it???

    If you want be better than Apple and Linux. I suppose that you will integrate these functions. These functions me and my friends (and the rest of the world) have missed in some years now….

    So, Microsoft. Don`t screw it up! good luck! 😉

  37. snaven says:

    Finally! I love the new Windows Explorer. It is clean, easy to use and works perfect!! Windows Explorer in Vista is "messy". The new one, is just perfect. Go on Microsoft and god luck!

  38. snaven says:

    You know, I hate iTunes, but I have to use it. Windows Media Player doesn`t work with iPhone. The iTunes interface sucks, so I was hoping for some iPhone integration in the "Device Stage" and "Windows Media Player"

  39. domenico says:


    I have to say in favor of DELL, that when I bought my notebook I received the original Vista DVD

  40. Bjartr says:

    So I… acquired… the beta, and it turns out my old Vista Beta 2 key works! I’ve activated it and am dual booting it alongside Vista now. I have to say, VERY snappy and responsive. I’m gonna keep poking around more trying to break it now xD

  41. SpiderBR says:

    Very good work windows 7 team!!


    I waiting for beta program!!

  42. Asesh says:

    Why aren’t my comments being posted?

    Ok, Windows 7’s gonna look handsome 😛 and will be good in performance too.

    Aero is cool but not for business computers.

    What about 2D themes? Are you guys working on good looking 2D themes to replace that ugly Vista basic theme? We have Vista Business installed on your computers at work, and we have Aero turned off and Vista basic theme is so ugly and really feels unpleasant to our eyes and switching to class reminds us of the days of Windows 98.

    Why don’t you guys replace that ugly Vista basic theme with the Aero like user interface (dialog box, buttons which are bitmaps) that we see when installing Vista? It looks much better than that ugly Vista basic theme. And do make many 2D themes for Windows 7. Vista was under development for about 5 years but there was only one 2D theme which is so ugly. SO PLEASE REPLACE THAT VISTA BASIC 2D THEME WITH SOME GOOD LOOKING ONES!!

  43. Asesh says:

    What about good looking common controls (buttons, progress bar, tabs etc)? will Microsoft ever make a better looking common controls than OS X? Didn’t see that happen in Vista and nor in Windows 7 build 6933 @PDC. Common guys if you wanna make windows look much prettier then you gotta make more sleek looking common controls.

    I was expecting ribbon UI explorer, but I was wrong. Why not integrate ribbon into explorer and give more options of the explorer via that ribbon? And please expose shadow copy and other cool features of Windows to start menu. I know so Vista Ultimate users and many don’t know whether it exists or not. Even I didn’t knew about this features until some one told me.

    And what about security enhancements in Windows 7 besides UAC improvements? Windows should check the non-installed applications’ digital signature and if they are not digitally signed or if the digital signature is invalid, it should warn the user before executing that application. When will it do that? It can easily be done by using Cryptography APIs.


  44. Asesh says:

    Sorry I had to break and post my comments since they were not being posted probably because of so many characters…

  45. Asesh says:

    *switching to classic*


  46. Saad says:

    can we change default encoding in notepad of windows 7 ?

  47. locolorenzo says:

    I had hoped that the OS was going to work on older machines with out the non-sense of Vista,

    Great OS but it will flop unless you get rid of performance ratings totally and allow user rating of the performance level to what the user wants, I can not even use the sidebar gadgets that I have written over the past several years, feels like I wasted a trip to LA. I had a lot more hopes for the operating system.

  48. Vistaline says:

    >>I love the new Windows Explorer.

    I’m curious to see how it performs in it’s final state. Vista’s Explorer is brought to it’s knees grouping ~3,000 MP3s by Album Artist, ~1,000 JPGs by tag, or ~100 WMVs by tag on a modest (E2200 @ 2.5GHz) processor.


    1. Select Explorer Window

    2. Shake

    As for PDC, it was quite the show, Steven. I’ll admit I was quite impressed with some of the things I saw. Some of the new features (shake and peek) seem particular un-Microsoft-like, which, in this area is a good thing. Running on a low power netbook intrigued me as well but I’m curious is Windows 7 RTM will match that memory footprint in an unconstrained environment. Either way, you need better clickers next PDC.

    "Let’s see if the clicker works…" 😛

  49. CRMMario says:


    1).- Quick Launch Icons Grouping in taskbar.

    2).- Some way to hide Gadgets easylly on desktop.

    I wait to see Spaces, UAC tweaks like "I trust this programs..", better preview for explorer, webcams utils…

  50. snaven says:

    I just read about this topic on an Norwegian news site ( In the comment bar (on the site) people is VERY happy about this. A guy said this: "Microsoft are beginning to understand the users." I totally agree! Built-in codecs in WMP is great news, but there are many complains about no Matroska Support. It is really important that you will integrate it. many people have use for it. Listen to us Microsoft! Doing this will make Windows 7 even more better! Good luck guys and nice work so far!

  51. Asesh says:

    locolorenzo: Windows 7 = Desktop Gadgets, forget sidebar gadgets

  52. mvadu says:


    Yes, even Microsoft Support mentioned that only Dell and Gateway laptops ship with a Windows Media. Unfortunately I got a Toshiba laptop.

    So Steven should push for Ecosystem providing a common assistance. (Steven, you are Microsoft, you can change the World!!).

    However MS should also provide a way to purchase the media if a customer already got a license. I was ready to pay up to 50$ if MS was ready to provide me an option.

  53. CRMMario says:

    Another Suggestion:

    3).- Better Logon Screen please, like longhorn concept video, vista logon is so ugly and has no improvement since XP.

  54. says:

    @Vistaline: No…i mean something else…how can i move a file from a open explorer window to a minimized window?

  55. Magumi says:

    From what I have seen so far, Windows 7 looks like an excellent release. I am very happy with my existing Vista x64 PC, but if you fulfill your promises with Win 7, I will be happy to upgrade right away. I have one wish, though – please make sure that an upgrade install of Win 7 works effortlessly and flawlessly. I know that it is always better to go for a full installation, but I would certainly welcome an easy upgrade path.

  56. CRMMario says:

    Another suggestion:

    4).- Unify Mesh, Skydrive, Office workspaces (i m user of all of them and is confuse) and make more integrated with windows 7 and windows live suite (mail, gallery,  movie maker)

  57. leriksen71 says:

    Great preview! Worth the wait!

  58. rbridgeman says:

    Hi, I haven’t been checking into these blogs until recently.  However, from what I have seen, it really looks like Windows 7 is progressing well and it’s exciting.

    One suggestion if it hasn’t been mentioned already –

    The new task bar could be like a "flip address book."  The foreground would have ‘set focus’ while the background would show numerous "cards" spanning the width of the window as if you’re flipping the address book. The cards that aren’t in focus but shown in the background would be more opaque the further the distance. The address book effect would only appear if more than the amount of available space is used up by opened applications.  This could also be used in conjunction with a spannable taskbar over several monitors but would be limited to scrolling within the monitor showing the mouse pointer.

    It could be used by using the mouse wheel forward or background to change direction while being cursored over the taskbar. Users without a mouse wheel could position their mouse over the taskbar and hold down a key to toggle through the cards.

    As one who doesn’t like using more than row for the scrollbar realestate, this would be a great feature to integrate.  The height of the opaque background cards could max out a user’s choice of 30-50 pixels per se.

  59. locolorenzo says:

    @Asesh …You should look before you think, and there is a sidebar in Program Files/Sidebar/sidebar.exe!!!!The sidebar runs in explorer, and they are still the same, I have never written a sidbar gadget, all my workings are and have been desktop gadgets. I hated the look of the sidebar since it’s inception.

    Now back to reality.

    The Operation is very good through out, but MS has to start listening to people who do not buy new computers because they do not work for the job applications that a lot of the real world uses.

    The security issue with IE8 is a pain in the kester.

    I have not entered Product Code yet, because I am sure that I will have to format a couple of time before I even start to test software compatability.

    Visual Studio 2008 does not like this environment, do I have to throw my rather expensive set of microsoft products out and wait untill 2010 before programming again, it worked well in 2 other builds of Windows 7…

    Please get back on track again and stop doing this unified Taskbar thing, It is just to complex and the system has a lot of bugs to iron out…good Attempt, the OS is beautiful to look at, nice graphics but look at simplifying rather than glossing over, I am applying programs that do not work well, start looking at AutoCad compatability before you go further.

    MSSQL does this weird thing to the desktop where it looses the path to anything, you have to uninstall MSSQL and reinstall with Advanced SQL to get OS environment correct again, and get the gadget/widget thing ironed out, things might be  a little more user usefull.


  60. Asesh says:

    @locolorenzo: yes man I know. I said that because Windows 7 will kill siderbar and introduce desktop gadgets instead!

  61. nesher says:

    Will there be videos of sessions from WinHEC 2008 like PDC?

  62. steven_sinofsky says:

    Howdy folks—so many comments.  If I can speak for the team, we’re just having a blast reading all the kind words and the enthusiasm.  THANK YOU!  

    Off to WinHEC — stay tuned on — the videos are available.  

    (Note — still working on the spam detection.  I know it is annoying if comments are not accepted.  This one was rejected a few times too).

    @RonV – we loved your comment 🙂  We have tried to address many common suggestions and it is great that it is getting noticed by folks.

    It seemed like a good idea to tackle a few of the questions raised in the comment threads so here it goes…

    Just fyi, we are of course aware of the excitement/enthusiasm around “unlocking” the beta features that happen to be in the beta.  Ed Bott’s blog explained in some detail the difference.  Please keep in mind that the code isn’t done and is neither the final design nor fully implemented.  So running the pre-beta is a configuration where your mileage may vary, so to speak.  See

    @pmenadue and @ Windows 7 Forums– We showed the native support for the VHD format (both in diskmgmt.msc and diskpart.exe work).  We talked about how you can also natively boot a Win7 VHD via configuring the boot configuration data store editor (bcdedit.exe).  It is a bit tricky to use these in the pre-beta but for the beta we will definitely be sure to do a post that outlines the steps to use these.  We’re using the bootable VHD quite extensively right now for testing and deploying server builds daily.  It is pretty cool!

    @Laith – we won’t announce the system requirements until later in the development cycle.  As you’ve’ seen, we have a strong focus on “fundamentals” so we expect any machine that is running Vista to be a good candidate for a Windows 7 machine 🙂

    @Domenico and @MattJC  – We are using the 2D animation within Windows 7 in a few places.  Stay tuned for more information.  We covered DirectWrite and Direct2D in

    @rlopez – Several (ok quote a few) have been clear in suggesting that we implement “virtual desktops” in Windows 7.  This is something we decided not to include this time.  There are just too many challenges / seams in how this works across third party software that we felt it would not be complete.  The right way to address this is to create and evangelize a deeper set of window location/memory APIs that can work across all applications (and be implemented there).  The challenge is just in arranging Windows in one space and then accidently having another copy of the program in another space—then you get into the “last one open decides the space and window location”.  So it is not unlike the challenges with multiple monitors, but sort of adds to the complexity.  That’s just one complexity.  We are definitely aware of the level of requests for this.  Please do check out Mark’s Desktops on sysinternals (

    @boen_robot and others – there were a few specific comments on precise window management or taskbar behavior.  I’d encourage folks to check out the sessions on these and to stay tuned for the beta.  When we read the comments we think we are understanding what the potential questions might be and think that we should be ok in terms of the concerns.  Check out for “design principles” and for “welcome to the desktop”.

    @boen_robot kicked off a good discussion about AERO – I think folks arrived at the right spot.  Nearly all PCs from the past 2 years are capable of running Aero.  Generally speaking if you run across a machine where a clean install does not produce an AERO desktop that is likely because the driver is not available on Windows Update.  You might need to go to the *PC Manufacturer* to obtain the driver, especially if the PC is a laptop as many laptop graphics chipsets are customized by the PC maker.  This is the standard practice, especially for discrete graphics.  As folks know, there are cases where DWM has crashed or been turned off due to a graphics intensive/full screen app—in those cases a reboot helps.  Also, a quick test I do is to run the “WEI” (Windows Experience Index) scoring (properties on Computer) to see if AERO kicks in.  The “default” video driver is designed to work all the time and does not support any graphics specific functionality.

    @boen_robot – A great point on learning.  One thing we want to do is continue to improve the connection to online assistance.  We’re not pre-beta testing the Windows web site, but we do expect to continue to have more and more “content” for folks there.  That’s for sure the best way we see at delivering this type of help.

    @LostLogic – the task bar is going to remain anchored to the primary monitor.  We built in a bunch of options to allow it to have “high capacity” and hopefully that will meet the primary needs.  The challenges of spanning monitors or different resolutions, orientations, and visualizing across the monitor boundaries were going to yield too many edge cases we felt.  One thing to check out with multiple monitors is how the windowing behavior really streamlines things.  Have a look at how when you drag to a second monitor you can easily maximize or dock with one motion.  Super cool!

    @mvadu – The desire for recovery media that is Windows only is certainly good feedback for OEMs.  We do encourage all OEMs to make the recovery process super easy and OEMs definitely agree and want to do that.  Do keep in mind that from an OEM perspective, recovery is “return to the original state”.  More and more OEMs are shipping partitioned hard drives in an effort to encourage customers to keep documents on the other partition.  

    @anonymous – A number of blogs have gone through all the options in the new taskbar.  As you will see in the beta, while we don’t switch to “XP” mode we do support the notion of text labels, grouped/ungrouped windows, etc.  So I think if you want to look “comfy” you certainly can.  FWIW, I am definitely at the point where switching “back” now hurts 🙂

    @bluefisch200 – we will have a number of new keyboard shortcuts.  Also, we have specifically worked on grouping 1000’s of files in explorer.  Stay tuned!

    @snaven – send those cards and letters to Apple!  Device Stage is open to all hardware manufacturers.



  63. Fredledingue says:

    Steven wrote

    "@Laith – we won’t announce the system requirements until later in the development cycle.  As you’ve’ seen, we have a strong focus on “fundamentals” so we expect any machine that is running Vista to be a good candidate for a Windows 7 machine :-)"

    Hahaaaa! THAT is funny!

    (if it was not for the little smiley…)

  64. anebg says:

    It would be awesome if you guys fix the problem of (in multiple displays) screens disappearing and staying in other screens (which have been disconnected or disabled) Maybe it would be a nice addition to the new dock a right click option and a Send-To Display1 or something like that.

  65. jalaj007 says:

    The aero interface is awesomely smooth when moving the windows around…

    But when scrolling in "images rich" window (for eg: WMP album arts, Live photo gallery, pictures in Win7 library, music album art in win7 library..) the experience is very choppy……It would be great if auto smooth scrolling is possible for such applications (like its in Picasa photo editor)……It will just make me fall in love with windows7 and ur team 🙂

  66. digitx says:

    I am very disappointed that Windows 7 will not have a new interface moves away from what we have seen so far.

    You are a large corporation and why you not able to create a better interface for Windows 7? All the time you playing with the same GUI instead to create something revolutionary.

    In addition to the interface in my opinion a revolution should touch the Windows Explorer.

    It would be useful to add the ribbon interface and tabbed browsing that it can finally compete with the legendary Windows Commander and his successors.

    It will be nice to add something like Mac OS X Leopard dock…

  67. boen_robot says:


    Well, I’m a PC assembler (the network thing mentioned above is a "side" service, so to speak), so I do to users exactly what you say. After I install Windows, I install the drivers that come with the motherboard and other components, install additional software I know to be useful (like Adobe Reader, K-Lite Mega Codec Pack, etc.), and update Windows manually. Sometimes I’d also install the latest drivers as given on the hardware manufacturer’s site. MY users come out of my store running Windows for a long time and without complains… but that’s only after I touch their PC. Before that however, even "advanced" users (read – ones that were able to run their PC and follow the on screen instructions) tend to ask me why is their PC slow, and how to get their internet running*.

    So looking at this from a consumer perspective – users expect to run their PC, optionally follow some instructions to a certain point and use their PC. You can NEVER, EVER, count on a user to do additional tasks like install drivers, programs, etc. and even if you could (i.e. if the person knows what a "driver" is), expect them to use the default settings, which in 8/10 of the cases means additional crapware being installed.

    If driver installation was prompted during installation, such "Advanced" users will easily figure out they actually need to put a CD (or something) in, and enable everything on their PC right away. No need to go for me about such simple things… and no need for YOU (Microsoft and the Windows team in particular) to scavenge drivers and ship them with Windows… at least not as strong need as otherwise.

    On the bright side, if you don’t implement this, I’ll have stuff to do. Then again, I don’t charge enough for this kind of stuff (and I can’t, as there’s a strong competition here).

    I also want to note one more thing which I’m not sure was clearly understood: I’m asking for a PROMT, not DEMAND. Users should be able to skip the screen in question if it so happens that they don’t have drivers or don’t want to install them at installation time for whatever reason.

    *yeah, about that… where I live (Europe/Bulgaria/Plovdiv), Wireless internet is not that popular, and way too often, ISPs use static IPs. Having said that, internet (and thus Windows Update) doesn’t run out of the box. In addition, the (W)LAN is not always recognized by Windows (even Vista), thereby forcing manual installation of drivers.

  68. boen_robot says:


    Did you saw the first presentation in the post? There are a few very interesting changes which are different than what we’ve seen so far in Windows. In fact, the new window grouping concept reminds me a little of MAC OS X’s dock. Close enough for my (conservative) kind of taste. Ribbon is now a WPF API which means it can (and is) used by some Windows applications, and can be easily used by third parties as well. As far as "revolutionary" goes – anything you have in mind?

  69. domenico says:

    GBM InkShow: Windows 7 Running on a LS800 Tablet PC


    😀 Nice!!

  70. Asesh says:

    @digitx: Just look at the screen shots of Windows from PDC…That’s it

    @steven_sinofsky: You didn’t answer my questions or is it too early to answer my questions?

    I have one request: Microsoft shouldn’t let the OEMs install crap wares (pre-installed) in Windows. I have seen so many complain that Vista is too slow, it takes so long to start Vista etc. And they are all generally because of crap wares pre-installed. Recently my uncle was saying the same thing, it was a Sony Vaio laptop. It took about 2-3 minutes just to boot on his machine. When he purchased that laptop, there were so many third party software pre-installed besides drivers, many were trial versions of software which was the primary reason behind slowing down Windows. He was about to exchange it and get XP or a Mac but then I took his laptop and just reformatted and installed Vista again and now he just loves his computer!!

    So guys do something, don’t let OEMs install crap wares w/o their customers consent because it will hurt the end-users that means it will hurt Microsoft too 🙂

  71. Saad says:

    An important suggest:

    When "Hide extensions for known file types" in folder options is disable, then when we want create new file, or rename a file, windows will auto select just file’s name, not fileName+extensionName. This will speedup our works(and is good for moodlesses!) Do you know my purpose?

  72. boen_robot says:


    Oh, I forgot to mention one more thing. Having a promt at installation time will make users more cautious of their driver CDs. Right now, in almost all instances, when a person buys a PC from me and later comes for a reinstall (virus, etc.), I ask "And the installation CD?" and the answer is "I lost it" or "It’s at home" (says a person who’s from the other side of the town). When users know that I’ll need a CD to reinstall their OS (either they’ll know from experience, or from a savvy (online) friend), they’re far more likely to keep an eye on it and not forget it. Yeah, I know I can warn them (and I do), but having a first hand experience or a trusted party to tell it to you is a whole other thing.

  73. Prixsel says:

    Taskbar needs to be re-sizeable and be able to pick a color for theme , codecs need to update themselves trough media player , media player thumbnail preview needs no frames around or it looks ugly…

    Why is Vistas core so big when Winmin8 is 50mb? Why can’t people test more newer builds yet?

    Why java, adobe acrobat , open office and soem other company softwares create bootloaders when we already have superfetch for it?? Nero software seems do add more and more bloatware whats also bad kick for PC when you are beginner…

  74. boen_robot says:


    Taskbar IS resizable… right click on the start menu and uncheck "Lock the taskbar". Then grab the upper side of the start menu and drag it up to where you want it.

    It DOES pick the color theme of the OS (in Vista adjustable by right click and "Personalize").

    SOME codecs update themselves over WMP, but not all. I’m not sure if it’s WMP’s fault or the codecs’ themselves… or maybe the formats (AVI, MPEG) don’t offer comprehensive enough metadata abilities for WMP to locate the codec and get it… I don’t know.

    I’m not completely sure as to whether the WMP preview needs a frame. It appears like it could use it. It may look ugly, but it serves a purpose – it sets it apart from other apps you may have.

    The Windows core, AFAIK is really lite. That’s how Winmin and others are created after all – they take the core, and on top of it put only what’s a must from their developers’ point of view. The Windows we see is bloated because it is created for more scenarios than Winmin like builds.

    I’m not sure what you mean by "test more newer builds yet". What more do you want than the PDC release? Access to the internal Windows builds? What’s next? Windows going open source?

    For JAVA, Adobe Reader, Open Office and the rest, you’ll have to ask the respective companies why they do that, not Microsoft. If those companies say they are forced because of lack of good APIs from MS, THEN come again and say (on their behalf) what APIs must MS make so that those companies can abandon their ways.

  75. Condor says:

    What I missed in the PDC was how Windows 7 will cope with PCs of various ages. Surely it is possible to automatically define scenarios based on state-of-the-art PCs, PCs with Pentium 4 or similar, Pentium 3 with fast processors etc. Something like that should help a lot in making Windows run fast on anything….

  76. thecolonel says:

    from what i’ve seen Win7 looks about a gazillion times better than Vista, and i will actually be really looking forward to it’s release.

    Windows Explorer windows still contain far too much extraneous fluff, it must be said. I would highly advise getting a few interface designers to look at the general layout of explorer windows and optimise them further; far too much space is wasted at the top and sides, which i would much rather be used displaying files and folders. keep things simple and rational!

  77. Vistaline says:

    >>What’s next? Windows going open source?

    Prixsel might be this guy. 😀

    >>and i will actually be really looking forward to it’s release.

    I was a lot more jazzed about it before Steven slapped me with that large, wet trout named "reality." Still looks better than Vista though, a lot better. There are a number of subtle changes I like, hopefully they really nail down the UI at release. I’ve already stated how I feel about Vista’s Explorer so I won’t get into it again, but I have high expectations for 7’s.

    >>But when scrolling in "images rich" window the experience is very choppy…

    Don’t forget to group as well. 😛 My "Pictures" folder takes 20 seconds to load before it can even begin rendering thumbnails. I actually use Live Photo Gallery, Media Player 11, and WDS4.0 to avoid explorer these days. I’ve heard talk Windows 7’s Explorer is much improved over Vista’s though.

    >>I am very disappointed that Windows 7 will not have a new interface moves away from what we have seen so far.

    So, I was about to post the Longhorn concept from PDC03 but I watched it and noticed it wasn’t revolutionary at all. It’s just 10x as fast as Vista and has a senseless amount of 2D and 3D animation. Something I did notice, however, is the sidebar had some functionality in the video. I truly wonder at what point into development the Vista team decided to make the Sidebar useless…

    Steven, I know you’re not into divulging details but will the gadgets actually do anything in their final form on Windows 7?

    >>we will have a number of new keyboard shortcuts.

    >>Also, we have specifically worked on grouping 1000’s of files in explorer.

    Looks like Windows 7 might be a /usable/ version of Windows Vista with a sizable number of under-the-hood tweaks. Something like that deserves more than a major version number, we should give that three or more, and a "+" for good measure. <3

  78. locolorenzo says:

    First Things First, Steven and Team dispite my personal gripes this is your best effort out of the box since I beta tested NT5!

    I would like to ask one thing though, why are all the legitimate Product Keys being used up by the torrent downloaders…leaches, or what ever the term can be used.

    I am running the PDC on a 10 year old laptop and I have a CPU usage of between 5% and 19% at worse case.

    The OS is only using 57-75% of the physical memory.

    I have been wondering why the desktop experience is attached to Aero, please make it seperate from the Aero Experience…I hate transparency.

    I post this here because it seems that I am not able to submit bugs or cudos else where.

    Also I would like an answer to the over abundance of used keys, the clock ticks now down to 26 days to activate!

  79. Hino Musouka says:

    Hello there,

    I’m probably in a minority, but I’d like to tell you I’m a bit disappointed of what Windows 7 M3 is.

    Still, I have to praise you for all the changes that made using Windows faster (mainly because of fewer clicks to achieve sth and reduction of UAC impact on one’s mental health) and many UI changes that seem to confirm you started to pay attention to small incongruence of UI and correct them. Having adopt changes accordingly to user input should also be acknowledged. To make it short – the process of developing Windows 7, apart from being mysterious, is to the great extent experience for both you (as you state) and users, who finally can feel much interaction and gaining ability to tell their opinion and be heard.

    But let me get to the point. Everything that has changed is mostly a change towards how it long ago should have been. Claiming Windows 7 is a major release is an exaggeration for me. I see only Longhorn OS made how it should look like at the end of 2006. And I’ve already got used to Vista, and I like it. But Windows 7 gave me no new experience, it’s like between Windows 98 and 98 SE, so why is there a new name? People claim to be charmed by your newest, still growing child, but apart from excellent stability for pre-beta release, I have not seen no performance gains in comparison to my Vista SP1. Something happens 5% faster (I didn’t measure; it’s just my experience), but that might be a mistake of my perception and at most it may form a kind of SP rather than a major release.

    Therefore, should I be waiting for something more in Beta 1 when Windows will become feature complete? (I’d just like to notice that multi-touch, however innovative, is a feature that I have no interest for.)

  80. domenico says:

    @Hino Musouka

    Hey  M3 is not RTM or RC.

  81. Hino Musouka says:

    @Domenico et al.

    Well, I’m quite aware it’s just M3. My problem is the astonishment expressed by PC magazines’ editors/dev bloggers/so on, high praised given by readers of this blog, which I cannot understand.

    It’s been almost 2 years since Vista shipped (Jan 2007 as far as I remember?), and M3 is the product that just looks the same as the thing I bought 2 years ago minus some inconsistencies and problems. It surely is ‘Vista done right’ but where is that ‘major release’?

  82. marcinw says:

    What can I say ?

    There were first official presentations about Win7 (called by many people Vista SE or Vista SP3 now), we know about very possible terms of RTM release and I see, that we will not have probably many important features inside. And we can have second time Vista disaster. Why ?

    First: Interface. For many people Vista interface (icons and menus in Control Panel, Network Center, Explorer, etc.) is less functional – they learned some options in 15 years and now everything is moved into different places, additionally some options were removed. It looks worse graphical (different fonts, color scheme) and people connects it with problems in their mind. If you will have (almost) the same in Win7 (it looks so), people will not like it very much.

    …additionally new taskbar will be different and we will see many new problems (people will need to learn it).

    Second: Advertisements. We can see only comparing new product to Vista (we see this word again and again), info about new super hiper mega extra technologies (I speak about names) and we can see only, how fast it’s working without (too) many installed programs… This is more than annoying…

    Third: Internals. As we can see more and more, all world should change own behaviors to make Windows better… I will explain it:

    * people want forcing OEMs for allowing making own disk partitioning, because it’s much more flexible (when you have 2 or more partitions, it’s not good to remove everything to reinstall system) – Microsoft answers, that can’t do anything with it (IMHO adding something like "Computer manufacturer can’t block own disk partitioning during reinstalling system" in OEM license will be enough)

    * we will not see any big efforts for correct separating applications from each other (making separated Registry and other) and blocking leaving garbages after uninstalling them – Microsoft changes "designed for win7" rules and forces authors of some applications for making it (partially), although could implement very fast and easy sandboxing and resolve this big problem.

    Some other issues like displaying real size of files (including size of alternative streams in explorer, if alternative streams will have to stay in NTFS) or need of defragmenting filesystem will be still visible… Additionally we will not see in new system probably less applications for making the same thing (yes, in XP/Vista we have few tools for making the same tasks) and SysInternal tools…

    4th: Disk and memory footprint. When I read, that 16GB will be enough for using new system with comfort (Leon Braginski from Microsoft), I ask, where is this revolution ? My XP is using 3 GB….

    5th: Toys. After Windows XP we can see only thinking about giving users many incredible experiences. When Microsoft will understand, that we don’t want it ? We want environment for running applications…which will be known, small, easy, fast and secure. Nothing more. All old solutions like www browser in system directory (or System Files Protection instead of blocking system directory for applications) should be changed.

    Generally I would like to say, that it could be maybe good step to give free upgrade for (OEM/BOX) Vista users. But for me it still looks, that we will have 90% of marketing and 10% of real work. I will change maybe my opinion with Beta 1.

    But for now Microsoft will have still to discover few discovered wheels – for example adding real security (not half working UAC solutions), making real WWW browser (yes, Mr. Ballmer said something about changing Trident engine to some better), making real power management, etc. etc.

    Sorry Steven for writing these bitter words. But nice interface is not enough….

  83. mvadu says:

    @Steven: from an OEM perspective, recovery is “return to the original state”.  

    Thanks for the prompt response Steven, but my whole point with the windows media is, I paid 1000+$ for a laptop, which mentioned Windows Vista. OEM’s fixed a higher price for a laptop with Vista compared to one with Linux because of Windows License. So I am paying not for the hardware but for the software and Windows License as well. So I believe it’s my right to have Windows Installation media, because If I buy windows off the shelf I get media along with license. Windows EULA for an OEM version does not mention lack of media, not any EULA I accepted while buying the laptop.

    If OEM or Microsoft denies providing me the windows installation media just because I have an OEM license and not a retail license then they are blocking my right. And if Microsoft really wants to support its users (especially the ones who will be using the new version of Windows before people buy it in a retail shop, i.e. OEM buyers) then they should mention/mandate to provide windows media (not just restore to original, but regular installation media) along with the OEM license. I don’t want my laptop to return to original, but I want my operating system to return to original, or part of the operating system like a system file to return to original.

    Again, you are Microsoft, and you can really change the industry if you want. There are companies doing the right thing already like Dell who provides both Restoration disk/partition and windows installation disk. And you can force other folly players like Toshiba, HP and others to follow the right way. If not at least you can change your own marketing policies which says “We can not provide replacement media for OEM licenses” which is some thing you are forcing on users but not agreed upon in the beginning (I mean user never agreed for this condition while buying the PC or agreeing to Windows EULA). You can charge a small fee and provide the replacement disk for OEM users. I am not sure why you guys are forcing people like me who paid for windows license but still need to look in file sharing networks for windows media.

  84. marcinw says:


    I agree with you.

    From the other side it makes Windows XP more popular now: if you buy laptop with Vista Business for example, you can install Windows XP Pro instead of it (from any legal CD produced by Microsoft). And Windows XP allows you for making partitioning like you want in situation when Vista not 🙂

  85. domenico says:

    @Hino Musouka

    Major or no major this is SUPERB RELEASE!!!

    Talk after RTM.


    I understand OEM that they should respect the limitations of the  BOOT.

  86. mvadu says:


    "limitations of the  BOOT"

    What do you mean? I am not sure what you are referring to..

  87. mvadu says:


    XP allows you for making partitioning like you want in situation when Vista not

    Even Vista allows partitioning drives. In fact Vista gives much more options (like shrinking the system volume, extending volumes etc.). But the problem is whether you have a partition or not OEM restoration is for the whole hard disk (or for the whole partition, if PC/Laptop shipped with multiple partitions). We will have hundreds of applications installed in our machines, and hell lot of data. Whether it’s a partition or a hard disk, why they expect us to erase every thing and go back to original state of the PC. In my case Operating system file was corrupted, and only way to correct it as per MS support was to re-install Vista in Upgrade mode, so Vista will retain all my settings/programs and data and correct itself. We need this behavior, which is not in OEM restoration disk.

    We don’t need a time machine to go back to day one of the laptop, but a medicine to correct the sick Windows.  Windows installation already has a medicine in its media, and we need that to be shipped along with the laptop because you already paid to OEM and to Microsoft for the license.

  88. marcinw says:


    I understand, what you wanted to say and I know, how work XP and Vista installation CD/DVD.

    But currently you have many times situation, that Vista is in Restoration Disk form only (which like you notified removes all partitions from HDD) and you can install XP instead of it (I remind: XP from any CD).

    Old system is once again better than Vista. In other words "XP allows you for making partitioning like you want in situation when Vista not" (once again: Vista like provided by OEMs)

  89. domenico says:


    I mean, respect for time prescribed by Microsoft

    15 sec- 18 sec (not remember now)

  90. Fredledingue says:

    As I said earlier MS could provide an installation disc with EOM versions but it will cost you $200 more.

    Even if you pay more for a Vista pre-installed laptop, you still didn’t pay enough to get the dvd.

    The goal of OEM distribution is to deny users the installation dvd’s, hence less piracy.

    And also to allow payware demos or vanitywares (yeah, I like this one) to be pre-installed at the same time, but this seems to works against MS’s new products as well as manufacturers themselves.

    The damage done by the crapwares to famous brands such as "Windows Vista" or "Toshiba" certainly offsets the fees crapware vendors are paying.

    Everything comes at a cost guys.

    With an EOM machine you better be twice careful because if you need to reinstall and can’t do a system restore… you are in deep doodoo.

  91. marcinw says:


    in many situations OEM sold with notebook costs the same to OEM sold from Microsoft (and you can’t buy configuration without this OEM software). You receive less for the same price.

    Microsoft sends to computer manufacturer and manufacturer to Microsoft in case of troubles. This is easy and doesn’t generate any costs (although you should receive full support).

    Speaking of eliminating piracy is excuse only here. We have this situation here, because (as you notified) companies want to force users for paying extra money (for installation DVD, support, etc. etc.)

    We should speak about this very loud.

  92. mariosalice says:

    Great Windows 7 presentation, and the feedback is way positive.

    Thank you.

    There is something that puzzles me though.

    We heard in the past that only WDDM 2.1 would fully support D3D10.x and so on.

    The downside would be no backwards compatibility with D3D9 video cards etc.

    Now you told us that Windows is not only games and that Windows 7 have WDDM 1.1.

    This way you did not brake backwards compatibility.

    So Windows 7 has direct 2D, Direct Write and the rest is almost the same like Vista.

    Though we cannot for ever blame AMD, Nvidia and the rest video card companies for slow 3D performance, bad drivers and video crashes you know.

    Could you please tell us what to expect in the future about WDDM, OpenGL, D3D, D2D, GDI, GDI+, Direct Draw, and WPF?

  93. Asesh says:

    Why hasn’t ribbon been integrated into Windows Explorer? It would look really cool and would me so convenient to use explorer. It would make Windows look really different from Linux and Mac OS X too. Def. ribbon has made using Office 2007 so easy and cool too. Guys please do that and expose the hidden features or features that aren’t easy to find of Windows like shadow copy and others via that ribbon!

  94. Mike43110 says:

    I have a suggestion involving these two products:

    The zune media player is great, now why don’t they mix the zune software and wmp and offer it as a service like windows live mail. etc?

    Then people would have the choice of either getting arguably the best media player around, or getting winamp or itunes.etc


    make it possible for the zune playeer to COMPLETELY replace WMP when installed. Give it better video playback awell.

    Hoping for a response from the team.


  95. mvadu says:


    We should speak about this very loud..

    Exactly.. we have to speak out loud, and force the OEM’s to follow a common good practice. When Dell can ship their laptops with Windows media, then others can surely do. We are asking them to give us our right.. not a favor. None of the agreements mentioned lack of installation media for the OEM license, and we paid for the license. We deserve a proper treatment from MS as well, if they can provide replacement disk for Retail license holders, they should give them same to OEM license holders as well. Since we might have paid less for OEM licenses, let them charge a fee for the disk but they should not deny the replacement.

  96. mvadu says:


    The goal of OEM distribution is to deny users the installation dvd’s, hence less piracy.

    If the goal of the OEM distribution is to reduce piracy by denying users the installation dvd’s then they failed in their goals. I as a OEM license holder, was forced to search for windows media from net and most of them were illegal.(I downloaded at least 5, 4 were illegal, while 5th one was genuine) So I was forced to help spread piracy because of lack of original windows media from OEM and lack of support from Microsoft.

  97. anonymuos says:

    @Steven, what about Quick Launch? Can we get it back just the way it was? I don’t wish to mix running and yet to be launched programs even if I can enable text labels.

  98. Vistaline says:

    Quicklaunch is still in the 6801 build but is to be removed (has been removed?) from 6933+.


    Has anyone here Visited Windows 7 Taskforce? Looks like Microsoft has a lot of work to do if they want to make it Windows look cohesive and, most importantly, understandable. I don’t envy Steven one bit right now. Especially not with all the crap I give Microsoft/Windows on a very consistent basis. 😛

    Still rootin’ for ya’.

  99. locolorenzo says:

    Every Program that I have installed works so far, better support than Vista

  100. tcpetrie says:

    Hi, I was hoping the session on ribbons might answer a question I’ve had ever since seeing this new UI on the recent Office release. Unfortunately it didn’t hence this post. With the growing prevalence of "wide screen" laptops, the vertical space has been reduced while the horizontal space has been increased. The new ribbon UI unfortunately (in my experience) consumes more of this now reduced resource (vertical space) causing me to see much less of my document. I thought for sure Microsoft would retract this feature as the complaints were received but clearly this has not been the case. So my question is this: did the usability studies performed on this feature explicitly consider the impact of decreased document visibility on the dominant laptop display format? And, if so, was it simply a case of, "Yes, this is the cost but all our other feedback confirmed the cost was justified by X"? Cheers.

  101. twentytwokhz says:

    Thumbs up for S7even Sinofsky and his team 😉

  102. Eghost says:

    After using Windows 7 for several days it is Vista improved, but it is still Vista.  Windows 7 still carries on the locking up of the UI, can’t move the menu, address bar, tool bar, this stance started with Vista/Longhorn ver 4074 and carries on to this day. Four years of the same complaints and still no end in sight…..  I’m not being negative here I’m just stating a simple fact. Microsoft still has not given back that aspect, IE 8 is the same.  I would just like to know why?  For the life of me I can’t figure out how it would undermine Microsoft or Windows or even IE 7 or 8 to give back that ability. Over in the IE 8 blog the state that only 20% of the users move the tool bars around.  Only 20%? If Microsoft stock dropped 20% they be having kittens, If they cut Steve Ballmer’s pay by 20% I think he be upset.  Just going by the 88 million copies of Vista has sold let see that would be only 17.6 million users would like…. never mind  Mr Ballmer, "tear down this wall!"

  103. If the Question is allowed…When will the Public Beta come?

  104. marcinw says:

    Another interesting issue: Instead of XP Pro you can install Win 2000, instead of Vista Business you can install XP Pro.

    What will be downgrade system for Win 7 ? If Vista, it will not add popularity into it (Win 7).

    Additionally: there are rumours, that Microsoft will offer upgrade for Vista users to Win 7. If it will be possible to pay small money, receive installation DVD even for OEM and install Win XP as downgrade system for it, it could be good move…

  105. locolorenzo says:

    @Steven & The Windows 7 Team

    I have not been this excited about an operating system since my first use my TR80 back in the 60’s, I am finding everything to be bullet proof the only flaw that I can see is the Sidebar will not initiate in a 16mb graphics card, but I am modifying to work on my Dinasaur.

    I have better softwar compatability here than I had with XP sp2, and a much more pleasant experience than Vista, This OS is just ominous.

    Thanks for the hard work, can not wait for further developments with Windows 7

    Lorne L. Reap

  106. magicalclick says:

    @Steven & The Windows 7 Team

    Hello Win7 team. I tried out the new Win7 taskbar hidden in the PDC version. The experience is good, but not quite fulfilling. When I have many tabs in IE8, about 12 tabs, I couldn’t get any preview anymore. The idea is that there are not enough space per row (if dock at top/bottom). The previews becomes text and I have to click IE8 to open up the group list instead of mouse hover. It is like XP nightmare all over again.

    My first expectation is that OS will expand the preview to multiple rows or columns when necessary. I think this is particularly important to IE8 because we opens a lot of tabs and you treat each tab as one task.

    Please make the experience more fulfilling. Thank you.

  107. anonymuos says:

    The decade old bugs from Notepad (word wrap and save bugs especially) haven’t been fixed. WordPad still needs a spell checker, justified formatting and more features (like the Works work processor) more than the Ribbon. How about adding some actual features to Paint rather than just UI decorations? Command prompt, Character Map and System Information haven’t been touched in decades. The sound recorder should let users specify the WMA encoding settings or let users use WMA Pro (which maintains quality much better than WMA).

    THIS!! !is the pre-beta!!!?

  108. Ian says:

    Mr. Sinofsky, why was the classic Start Menu removed?

    Is there a way Microsoft could bring it back via an update or something?

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