US will take a vote on “yes with comments”


Doug Mahugh has another update on what’s going on with the US review of the Open XML standard. They’ve finalized the ballot, and are will have a couple weeks to vote on whether or not to approve the ballot: http://blogs.msdn.com/dmahugh/archive/2007/07/19/incits-executive-board-to-vote-on-approval-with-comments.aspx


Tom Robertson, who is the GM of the standards group here at Microsoft had this to say:


“The decision by the INCITS Executive Board to issue a ballot of “yes” with comments shows positive momentum behind ISO/IEC ratification of Open XML. It reflects the importance of allowing users to choose the format that best meets their needs, and the fact that innovation and evolution will take place over time. We respect the INCITS process and look forward to working within it over the coming weeks.”


Also, Jason Matusow who works for Tom over in the standards group has a blog post on this, as well as an update on how the process is going in South Africa.


Wouter van Vugt talks about this decision, and gives a good update on how things are going over in the Netherlands http://blogs.infosupport.com/wouterv/archive/2007/07/20/Working-to-a-_2700_Approve-with-Comments_2700_.aspx:



Similar to the INCITS board there are a few types of members in the Dutch committee:



  • Some members felt that “Approval with comments” was the position to take, because it sends a message that Open XML should become an ISO standard, but there are some things that need to be corrected or modified in the spec. Many of these members didn’t support “Disapprove with comments” because they believed it would allow anti-Open XML lobbyists on V1 to obstruct the process in the future. (Personally, I fall into this camp.)
  • Some members felt that “Disapprove with comments” was the position to take, because it would force the resolution of certain comments. Many of these members didn’t support “Approve with comments” because they believed it would allow critical corrections to slip through the process without being handled.
  • The IBM rep states that ‘he will just say no’, and also stated that he will not provide any technical comment because that would allow the comment to be fixed, hence opening the door to making Open XML an ISO standard. Can you believe that?

-Brian

Comments (9)

  1. jim says:

    mmmm…

    this doesn’t smell good

  2. Open XML is there to keep the monopoly going.  I’m sad that one company has so much clout.  I wish you would stop the word play and drop the "Open" from the name.  It is MS XML after all.

  3. Francis says:

    Good news, though I hope Microsoft genuinely does take the comments seriously.

    I suspect that the next version of Office will address some of the technical objections raised, as many of the latter are transitional issues (such as the lingering presence of VML, bitmasks, numeric settings.) To the extent that Office 14 does that, you might want to consider accelerating work on the relevant bits and backporting the resultant code to an SP1 for Office 2007.

  4. jones206@hotmail.com says:

    We’re already working really hard in Ecma reviewing the comments that have been made public so far.

    -Brian

  5. hAl says:

    Ecma could make it a lot easier to get support for approval votes (with comments) if they were to give some insight into likely changes (other then fixing a lot of small editorial items)

  6. jones206@hotmail.com says:

    We’ve discussed that. I don’t know if it would happen before the voting is done though. Most likely it would happen afterwards, as we start to prepare for the ballot resolution meeting (the comments aren’t really official until then).  We’ll see though, as I agree it would help give the NBs more confidence that their comments will be dealt with.

    -Brian

  7. Justin says:

    "The decision by the INCITS Executive Board to issue a ballot of "yes" with comments shows positive momentum behind ISO/IEC ratification of Open XML. It reflects the importance of allowing users to choose the format that best meets their needs, and the fact that innovation and evolution will take place over time."

    LIAR.

    The only thing it reflects is that there are Microsoft Business Partners voting now.  There is NO thought for what is important to a user.

    Please read this link which shows the voting trend, and the comments, which have a link to the Microsoft Business partners who are now fluffing the votes.

    http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/07/ooxml-fails-to-gain-approval-in-us.html

    Have you no ethics?

  8. Andrew Hilton says:

    Brian Jones allows comments like yours in his blog, yet Rob Wier does not.  Where’s the ethics there?

  9. Fernando says:

    I think only possible liar in this case would be the one that posted that "OOXML Fails to Gain Approval in US" when in fact none of this happened.

    But still "liar" is a too strong word for the IBM spinmasters. "Desperate" would be more appropriate. After fueling a multimillion campaign trying to block OOXML to become a standard, failure will probably mean that heads will roll within IBM.