Web browsing in Windows 8 Consumer Preview with IE10


In this post we want to talk about the new Internet Explorer 10 browsing experience.  We have considerably improved the underlying browsing engine with performance, standards, and features as we have previously blogged about.  IE10 designed for a Metro style experience is a new and improved way of browsing, where you can truly focus on the information you want to browse rather than the task of browsing – a fully immersive experience.  At the same time it provides all of the safety and controls you are used to – tabs, keyboard shortcuts, InPrivate browsing, and more.  Rob Mauceri, the group program manager for Internet Explorer, authored this post.
–Steven



To deliver the best browsing across all Windows 8 devices, we re-imagined the architecture and experience of the web browser with Internet Explorer 10.

We built a new browsing experience in lockstep with Windows 8 to give you all the advantages that Metro style applications offer. We built that experience by extending IE’s underlying architecture to provide a fast, fully hardware accelerated browsing engine with strong security and support for HTML5 and other web standards.

The result in Windows 8 Consumer Preview is a Metro style web experience. IE10 is designed to make website interaction fast and fluid for touch as well as for heavy mouse and keyboard use. With IE10, websites participate in the Metro style experience in Windows 8, including the Start screen, charms, snap, and more. IE10 also provides the best protection from malicious software on the web while providing real control over your online privacy.

While building and tuning the Metro style browsing experience for the Consumer Preview, we realized it is a better way to browse – whether on a desktop computer with a big screen, mouse and keyboard, or on a touch-enabled mobile device. As people browse more “chromelessly” on their phones, they’ve become accustomed to a more immersive and less manual browsing experience compared with the desktop. Metro style browsing offers you a full-screen, immersive site experience. With IE and Windows 8 you can always use the charms to accomplish what you want to do next with a website (e.g. share, print, search…). We’ve found that many people – even those with the most enthusiastic and intense browsing patterns – prefer Metro style browsing because it’s less manual and more focused on what you browse than on how you browse.


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With IE10 in Windows 8 Consumer Preview, browsing the web is fast and fluid

You can read more about the technical details and architectural improvements to the underlying HTML5 “Trident” browser engine and Chakra JavaScript engine on the IE Blog.

The Metro style web browser

We built IE10’s user experience exclusively around all the Metro style design patterns to be fast and fluid for even the most intense everyday browsing.

We designed the interface and controls to be there when you need them and out of view when you don’t. We also designed in the comprehensive functionality that people need for everyday heavy-duty web browsing: great touch keyboard support for forms, integrated spell checking with AutoCorrect, finding text on the page, etc. The user experience follows Metro style patterns and conventions for personality, animations, and command activation and support for Windows 8 charms, snap, and more.


Jetsetter website shown full screenIE10 puts the focus on your sites, providing a full screen edge-to-edge experience that uses
every pixel for the web.

8 tabs at top of screen, address bar and other commands at bottomTabs are available but stay out of your way until you need them.

IE10 is fast and fluid for the real web, not just the mobile versions of sites. We made IE super responsive to touch, mouse, and keyboard. The Metro style browser delivers on touch browsing, not just browsing on a touch device. You can feel it in the stick-to-your-finger responsiveness of the touch support for panning and zooming, swiping back and forward for page navigation, and double tapping to zoom in and out of content. Context menus and form controls are optimized for touch, and the browser responds fluidly to device orientation (scaling smoothly to landscape and portrait screen layouts) and “snapping” Windows 8 applications next to it. IE10 also improves on the experience of browsing the Web with mouse and keyboard with support for the keyboard shortcuts you expect, and convenient mouse activations for back and forward navigation.

Metro style IE10 takes a different, more modern approach to browsing. It puts the focus squarely on the websites you browse rather than all the tab and window management activity that has defined browsing to date. On our hallways, we’ve been using it as our primary browser on laptops and desktop workstations, with touch screens as well as with keyboards and mice. From tiles on the Start screen for websites to the immersive full screen web experience, we designed IE in Windows 8 to be your daily browser for the real web.

Navigation tiles are designed to help you find and navigate to sites immediately using the site’s icon and color while minimizing your typing. IE shows you frequently visited sites as well as sites that you’ve pinned to the Start screen.

Frequent and Pinned sites shown as tiles in IE

Get to your most important sites quickly with navigation tiles

As you type in the address bar, the navigation tiles filter to show you sites from your history, favorites and even popular URLs. With Windows 8 roaming and connected accounts, your browsing history and favorites roam with you so that you can easily access recent webpages across all of your PCs.

Tabs: Browsing multiple web pages is core to any good web experience. The Metro style tab switcher appears when you swipe in from the bottom or top of the screen with touch, right-click with the mouse, or press Windows key+Z on the keyboard:

7 tabs shown, with buttons to add a tab, create a new InPrivate tab, and clean up tabs.

Active tabs are shown as page thumbnails with page titles in text overlays. Tabs have a touch-friendly button for closing, and button for creating a new tab, or a new InPrivate tab. IE10 shows the last 10 tabs you’ve used, reducing the need to actively manage your tabs. You can even clean up tabs quickly and easily with one command.

The Navigation bar in IE10 appears when you need it, again keeping the focus on websites. The navigation bar includes easy-to-use controls (touch or keyboard/mouse) for common operations like back, forward, stop/refresh, and pinning sites to the Start screen. The address bar shows badges and coloring for secure sites, SmartScreen, and InPrivate browsing. It also supports auto-complete as well as web search, matching the behavior of IE on the desktop. The address box shows a progress indicator when a page is loading, and includes indicators for site compatibility and tracking protection. The navigation bar includes commands for Find on Page, and Open in IE on the desktop, for compatibility with sites that require older plug-in technologies, or for when you are using desktop tools and wish to continue using them in your existing workflows.

Includes Back button, favicon, address bar, refresh, pin, tools, and forward button

Touch keyboard: IE10 works great with physical keyboards as well as the Windows 8 touch keyboard, which it automatically adjusts to make your experience easier. For example, when you set focus in the address bar, the “/” and “.com” keys become available to quickly enter URLs:

In address box: nytimes.com/. Special keys on keyboard include emoticon, .com, and /

IE automatically adjusts the touch keyboard based on where you’re typing. For example,
email form fields show the “@” and “.com” keys

IE10 takes a clean, “low nag” approach to notifications. All alerts and user prompts come through a notification bar at the bottom of the screen. IE uses Windows 8 Metro style “fly-outs” when more interaction is needed. Notification bars automatically dismiss as appropriate. Downloads in the Metro style browser protect you from malicious software via SmartScreen’s Application Reputation, as in IE on the desktop.

Connecting websites and apps in the Metro style

With IE10, websites are part of the Metro style experience in Windows 8. Through snap, charms, and integration with the Store and the Start screen, Metro style browsing blurs the boundaries between the web and apps.

Snap makes it easy to use Windows 8 for more than one thing at a time. You can browse in IE10 and have side-by-side access to your mail, music, or any other application. The browser adapts to the narrow “snap” size and automatically undocks when necessary for user interaction. All of the core browsing capabilities are available when snapped – panning, pinch and double-tap zooming, and following links.


Messaging app snapped to side of IEMultitasking with Windows 8 “snap” lets you put your site side-by-side with other applications like the Messaging app

Charms provide a consistent way to perform common actions like searching and sharing in Windows 8. IE10 supports the Search, Share, Devices, and Settings charms:

Search, Share, Start, Devices and Settings charms along right edge of screen, Time and date shown in lower left corner over a travel website in IE10

The charms appear when you swipe in from the right edge, press Windows key+C,
or move your mouse to the bottom or top-right corner of the screen.

For the Search charm, IE10 uses the default search engine, which you can set to your preference. After initiating a search in the charm fly-out, search results are shown as you type, including the same picture and instant results you see in IE on the desktop, if your search engine supports them.

With the Share charm, you can access any application that supports sharing (like Mail). This allows you to send a rich link preview with image, description, and hyperlink so it’s easy to share more than just a link.

Mail pane overlays part of screen with an email being composed to send a link to a travel website, including picture and website description text

IE10 and Mail support sending rich link previews with image, description, and hyperlink,
you can share more than just a link with very little work.

The Devices charm makes printing, projecting, and playing to external devices easy and consistent. For example, you can print from any webpage from IE – handy for things like airline boarding passes –by tapping or clicking the Devices charm and selecting a printer.

The Settings charm provides quick access to the most frequently used configuration settings for IE10. You can quickly clear browsing history, control location access, and more. Consumers get a simplified interaction with IE settings, while enthusiasts still have an easy way to access fine-grained controls through settings in IE on the desktop.

With site pinning, you can personalize your Windows Start screen with the sites you use all the time. You can pin any website to the Start screen from IE10, so you have one place to access all the things you care about or need.

The tiles for pinned sites reflect the site’s color and icon. With IE10, sites can provide background notifications for new messages and other account activity on the website. The site can also program additional commands that appear in IE’s navigation bar in a touch-friendly way, the same way that sites can program jumplists for IE on the desktop.

Pinned sites include Bing, Facebook, and ESPN.com

Site tiles let you go directly to your sites from the Windows 8 Start screen

Days to Spring tile shows number 8 as a notificationPinned site tile notifications keep you up-to-date at a glance, without opening the site


Jumplist for Jetsetter website: Jetsetter, a Member of the Gift Groupe, Tasks, Your Account, All Flash Sales, Passport, Gift, Gift City, Pin to StartJumplists make it fast to get to site sections and information tailored for you

Integration with the Store makes it easy to discover and launch Metro style apps for the sites you visit in IE. The navigation bar shows if the site has an application available. One tap (or click) takes you to the app in the Store. Once an app is installed, you can launch it directly from the site. For example, here’s cuttherope.ie in IE10:

Favicon on navigation bar shows tooltip: Get the app

Site favicon button lets you download and launch the app with a single tap or click

Protecting you from malicious web

IE10 offers the same industry leading security, privacy, and reliability features, building on IE9’s SmartScreen, XSS filtering, Application Reputation, InPrivate browsing, Tracking Protection, and hang detection and recovery. In addition, IE10 takes advantage of Windows 8 to provide “Enhanced Protected mode” for better isolation of website content in each tab. InPrivate browsing is also extended to run per-tab, so you can run some pages InPrivate, leaving no history, cookies, or cached data.

Summary of changes from the Developer Preview

IE10 in the Windows 8 Consumer Preview brings a more full-featured Metro style experience to your browsing. Here are just some of the improvements to IE10 for fast and fluid browsing:

  • Full, independent composition enables responsive, fast and fluid behavior on real websites (including pages with fixed elements, nested scrolling regions, animations, and video)
  • Back and forward swipe navigation with preview
  • Double-tap to zoom in on content
  • Fast back and forward navigation controls for mouse
  • Mouse (CTRL+scroll wheel) and keyboard methods for quickly zooming in and out to mirror touch interactions
  • Automatic domain suggestions for faster navigation and less typing
  • Share charm support for URLs, snippets, images and selection with Mail and other apps
  • Search charm with visual search suggestions
  • Devices charm for printing, projecting, and playing video to external devices like TVs
  • Plug-in free support: notifications for sites requiring activeX
  • Background notifications for pinned sites and other tile improvements
  • Jumplists for pinned sites
  • InPrivate tabs that are easier to open
  • Clean up tabs command, which quickly closes all but current tab

Metro style and no-compromise browsing

You used to have to make a choice between browsing the mobile web on small screens with good touch support, and browsing the full web with good mouse and keyboard support on big screens. The Metro style web experience in IE10 in the Windows 8 Consumer Preview means no compromises. You can browse and touch and multitask and print and share with all the power of Windows 8 and your PC. The web with IE10 is more fast and fluid, better connected to your applications, and more secure and private.

–Rob Mauceri

Comments (376)

  1. Robert says:

    "Snap makes it easy to use Windows 8 for more than one thing at a time"

    Has that actually been hard in the last two decades?

  2. LegoLast says:

    Why the pinned site icon is so tiny when several favicon now days are in 64×64 pixels?

  3. troko says:

    At least we have now a good IE version. But what a pity for the desktop IE!!!

  4. B8Blog says:

    @Robert — lots of excitement with snap in Windows 7 blogs.msdn.com/…/designing-aero-snap.aspx.  In practice many people run full screen already and having a structured way to snap is valuable and useful.

  5. john mitas says:

    nice BUT I'm a chrome guy! I like my plugins and if u don't support that , sry ill stick to my chrome!!!

  6. Dan says:

    @John IE10 supports plugins but not in Metro mode.

  7. fr says:

    Not seeing any reason why I'd want to use Metro IE on anything other than a small tablet.  On small screen devices it is necessary to hide the UI as much as possible to make room for the content, but on my laptop I prefer to have always available tabs and other controls.

  8. Nixarn says:

    How would I have three windows up at the same time on my large high res display?

  9. coder543 says:

    I thought there were laws against false advertising. IE10 is not "industry leading" in security. Chrome is. Anybody in the technology community can tell that much for a fact.

  10. SteveOZ says:

    Why does METRO IE have the address bar at the bottom whereas Desktop IE is in its 'normal' place?

    Same goes for the IE9 and above warning messages ..before IE9 they used to be top of screen, now they're at the bottom.

    Annoying lack of design conformity across userscapes!

  11. dokteriq says:

    whats up with the horrible noise in the background? dont have a good recording mic? 🙂

  12. LeoStorm85 says:

    Hi guys…you have done a great work on IE. My only hope is to see a more consistent interaction between desktop applications and metro style apps. I think a good starting point would be reduce limitations in terms of resolution. Even if the vast majority of laptops nowadays support a 1366 horizontal resolution, there is a lot of monitor (I admit I have one) whose resolution is still 1280 and they cannot do any snap or research into desktop. I think on the other side also owners of very high resolution monitors are unhappy because they simply cannot get any advantage from metro interface as it is at the moment. I hope the way from CP to RC will bring a lot of news from this point of view. Bye and…well done :-).

  13. SC says:

    I'm not sure I'll be able to use it without Favorites – I have far too many to pin to the start page. At very least, could we have some sort of "remember for later" or "interesting" functionality? Sometimes I find an interesting site, article, or other information that I want to "save for later" but wouldn't apply to either the "visit frequently" or "pinned to start menu" UI behaviors.

  14. jamiet says:

    Hi,

    Please could you, later this year, publish a list of sites that are supporting IE10 pinned tiles?

    Thanks

    JT

  15. jcopenha says:

    I couldn't seem to figure out how to search the contents of the current page.  Using the search charm searched on Bing…

  16. jader3rd says:

    I have an issue with the fact that there's no navigation history in the metro browser. Lots of times I want to go back multiple pages in one jump, and that requires a navigation back/forward history.

    Lots of websites also use css to restrict the width of their content by the pixel. On a big monitor most of the website is blank background. It feels wrong. Perhaps there could be an easy way to "columnize" the content, or surface a way to do a "zoom to content".

  17. Alex Porter says:

    Is there documentation on how the background notifications work for pinned sites?   I don't see anything here in the IE Dev Center:  http://bit.ly/zgeIGu

  18. Walter says:

    Hey!

    Will the IE10 on metro and the phone version share settings (pinned sites and history as an example)?

    it would be a cool feature to have!!

  19. job says:

    Why is tab browsing NOT present. Safari has tab browing in iOS. Why should I have to apply two gesture just to navigate to another tab. The less gesture or taps, the better. This makes no sense at all.

  20. TS says:

    I have a suggestion. With the same tile to be able to open the Metro version and Desktop version. One mouse click-> Metro IE. Double click -> Desktop version. The same with touch. Tap and double tap.

  21. Jonathan says:

    Awesome, another article from Microsoft Lalaland answering questions nobody asked, and failing to address the growing concerns about Windows 8.

  22. Ganzu says:

    yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda

    WE DONT WANT METRO!.

  23. Metro-style IE10 is good for touch users, but why would I want a plugin-free, Metro-style IE10 when I can have the full capabilities of a desktop browser and a chromeless browsing experience simply by pressing F11 in the desktop browser?

    Also, the Metro-style IE10 seems to emphasize previously visited websites too much, and I believe that basic actions such as closing a tab should not require an extra right-click.

  24. JGodo says:

    "We’ve found that many people – even those with the most enthusiastic and intense browsing patterns – prefer Metro style browsing because it’s less manual and more focused on what you browse than on how you browse."

    May I ask where have you found that? I never browse in my desktop in full screen (and I even don´t know anybody that browse that way). I almost always browse while performing other tasks. Also with mouse is a lot faster to use chrome browser tabs than full screen charms. Are you serious when you say that people will preffer that full screen stuff in big screens? You are going to face reality I think because that is a complete non sense. You can try to sell us the wondefull all screen metro stuff, but that is not going to work for a lot of people.

  25. Ganzu says:

    Btw wy do I need to have Websites pinned in my Start "screen"

    And Sinofsky why dont you answer the real questions, the real complains, why you have to come with more yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda?

    Is simple Sinofsky Give us answer? Why do I need to use my DESKTOP as a Big Useless Mobile Device?

  26. jims says:

    IE10 Metro has potential, but I still don't understand why they disabled plugin such as Silverlight + Flash.

    it should available for an option.

    By the way, STFU ganzu…

    Speak for yourself.

    I wish this blog has moderator to delete useless comment like ganzu's.

  27. @jims

    HTML5 can do it all 😉

  28. Pal says:

    People don't like Metro UI thats simple.

  29. NO TAB BROWSING?????? This absolutely makes NO sense. Why should a user have to swipe down first to reveal the tabs before click or tapping on a tab. Tabs should always be visible. If I have two tabs open, both tabs should be visible so that I can easily toggle between each tab by clicking or tapping instead of having to SWIPE down first. This is so backward and very unproductive. Why is MS pushing this full screen mode with everything they do? Even iOS have tab browsing, and Apple is doing it right. Is Microsoft agree of windows management or don't have the capcacity to design a true multitasking touch OS that they forcing the full screen mode on users in the name of some silly study tyhat they did?

  30. Ryan says:

    Thanks, Windows 8 is the awesome.  Can't wait to get a tablet with it.

  31. Ganzu says:

    The Telemetry Data Monster Metro Madness With the Metroidist having Metrorgasm in fullscreen mode.

  32. I can appreciate where you're trying to go, but the lack of favourites/bookmarks is a step too far and pining them to the Start Screen isn't a workable alternative. Like many people I sometimes store things in "favourites" as a way of keeping track of something useful that I might well want to refer back to at a later point. That doesn't mean these pages are something I want sitting in my primary workspace (i.e the Start Screen), nor is it something I'm likely to be returning to often enough to count as Frequent.

    As it stands that makes Metro IE pretty difficult to work with reliably on a day-to-day basis, which is a shame because otherwise it'd make for a great browsing experience on a tablet device.

  33. Ganzu says:

    The MEEEETRROOOO MADNESSSSS… forget about Desktops Examples guys, Ms is just focused on Tablets for Retarded people. Just wait until they fail.

  34. Pal says:

    @Sinofsky

    Make Metro UI optional for Desktop users. PLEASE LISTEN TO THEM.

  35. MotorMouth says:

    I just installed the Consumer Preview and I don't have IE on the Metro side. I cannot even find it in the Store. What's that about? Is it an x64 thing? Because it is a big limitation. I am also having problems with page drawing in the desktop version of IE (and with Firefox). I get scrambled images and text and pages are sometimes reluctant to refresh.

    As for Metro – I think it is great and it works perfectly well with a mouse and keyboard. I find myself spending more and more time on the Metro side of things, even though Win8 automagically takes me through to the desktop when I start my laptop. If you don't want to deal with Metro, you don't have to but you'll be cutting yourself off from some pretty cool stuff.

  36. de@iru.ch says:

    The new logo still sucks. Missed opportunity to use the pretty WP7.5 logo.

    Also although I think it's the right direction I'm still not convinced of the current Metro implementation. I run Win8 (Beta and CP now) for several months now but I'm still working mainly on the desktop. Despite trying to like and use the new metro apps. They're not using screen real estate efficiently and operating them with mouse and keyboard still feels weird at best and annoying at worst.

    But I guess that with the proper hardware most people will like it, even though I'm not too big a fan. Even bought MSFT stock for that reason…

  37. sean e says:

    Metro IE10 won't load pages served by machines on my local network.  Fails to load router admin page.  Fails to load my modem admin page.  Fails to load my Logitech Media Server (aka Squeezebox, aka SlimServer).

    Metro IE10 is nice on my slate but many pages don't render nicely when I remote in from a system with a substantial display.

    My biggest beef with Win8: full screen is a waste at large resolutions and actually makes the user experience WORSE in some cases (websites in Metro IE10).

  38. Azul Wizard says:

    Why there is no UIElement.Effect in WinRT???????????

  39. JF says:

    @job3

    I have an iPad and I can assure you that with those small tabs and touch targets, it takes more than 2 gestures to get to what I want. I like this approach.

  40. Azul Wizard says:

    Why there is no UIElement.Effect in WinRT???????????

  41. JF says:

    The most frustrating thing about Metro IE (which will likely be incomprehensible to most users) is how even on a desktop, Flash and Silverlight plug-in aren't supported. They may be "old plug-ins" but a lot of the web still runs on those. Isn't there a way to render the pages with the desktop engine without leaving Metro?

  42. Daniel says:

    Mr. Sinofsky I appreciate the big effort on IE10, the way it looks its clean, modern, but some customers just want to turn off the Metro UI, is that possible? It will be possible on future versions? That’s one of the biggest questions here. I appreciate all the changes, I like some of them, but others not, it feels wrong to have a Tablet interface merged with another. Its feel awkward.

  43. Andrew Rockefeller says:

    I currently use IE9 and I'm suitably impressed. I unfortunately have several gripes about IE10.

    Whilst I remain impressed by the performance once loaded, I'm not content with current IE10 page load times (relative to IE9 on the same system which already takes a minor but acceptable hit compared to the competition).

    The bookmark management is insuficient. Poor. I'd prefer a foldered structure to start screen pinning. My start screen will very quickly become an unmanagable continent sized wasteland of squares elsewise. Even your own screenshot blogs.msdn.com/…/2021.10_2D002D002D00_pinned_5F00_70583ECE.png demonstrates the potential for exessive screen area capitalisation. Sorry, but whilst I'm generally very supportive of your new design language, this is an example where it will not work for me. It IS a clear compromise.

    IE10 doesn't remember zoom states for pages — or even global zoom size/scale between sessions.

    Currently IE10 appears to be missing the ability to display HTML5 transparency. e.g. http://www.theverge.com/ (compare with IE9)

    The fwd/back arrows look janky. Why not use the same arrow in a circle as elsewhere in your interface?

    Now that both Mozilla and Google have let it be known that they'll be developing Merto Style browsers, you will need to up your game to be my default. It would be a shame if something as simple as bookmarks were my reason to revert back to the competition's product.

    Oh.. and to the people bitching about tabbed browsing, is it really so hard to right-click to see your current tabs?

  44. OK, here comes another 600 comments along the following line of reasoning;

    The Metro IE10 looks pretty good on a nine inch tablet but who wants to look at that mess of rectangles on a desktop display?

    That causes me to ask one additional question.  Why do you think a Windows 8 tablet with be than iPad x?

  45. garyk says:

    sorry, but the metro ie10 app doesn't cut it on my system. I use at least 2 27" monitors and sometimes 3. don't need full screen ie as it's a waste of screen real estate. I never used full screen ie in any previous versions of windows / ie for the same reason.

    I can see it on a tablet, where you have 7-10 inch screens, it needs to take up the entire screen to be able to read anything.

    also. how do I display my 120+ rss feeds? more waste of space with eh size of the metro icons. and what about the 480+ favorites I have? no metro ie for me.

    in fact, I've disabled uac so none of the metro apps work, anyway. don't need them on my desktop. system boots, start screen on one monitor, desktop on the other, click the desktop and I never see metro on my desktop system.

    have a windows phone, too, with zero apps, don't need any, screen is too small.

    but, for a tablet, I agree, metro and metro style apps are fine. i'll be buying one, I just can't use metro on my system. but most apps on my tablet will be desktop apps, not metro.

  46. Cryo says:

    This Metro thingy you got going will byte you in the ass Microsoft !!!

  47. Stefan says:

    Windows 8 is useless.  Can't wait to see Microsoft die.

  48. Some thoughts and feelings. says:

    Stick with the most useful Os, like Windows 7.

    Respect all the novelties on Windows 8.

    Try not to hate, Try not to love.

    Read, and go away to a lonely place.

    Respect the Windows Team.

    Just wait until the noise is gone.

    Things like this will be just a trend.

    And trendy thing get wasted.

    So, ignore what you consider an absurd, and keep walking.

  49. Some thoughts and feelings. says:

    I do not hate Microsoft; I do not love everything they do.

    But be constructive, I don’t like Metro either, I wish there will be an option to disable it.

    There’s a huge business behind the Tablets, but I don’t think that’s the future.

    They have to learn sooner or later what to do with their OS.

    In the meantime, I will be more productive with Windows 7 and wait to see what happens, and wait maybe Windows 9.

  50. Martin says:

    @sean e is correct. I had such issue with my local network's sites. They can't be opened with IE for Metro.

  51. Lucian Wischik says:

    "Full screen edge-to-edge experience" is wrong. Ask any UX expert what the optimum number of words per line is. They'll tell you 10-15. That's why novels and newspapers are readable. But most websites don't respect this and just fill columns as wide as your browser. Heck, even this website itself hardcodes a width that's too wide. At least with resizable browser windows we can make them narrower to compensate for most websites. But not with Metro/IE10.

  52. blu-ray says:

    the most modern OS does not use Blu-ray, what are you thinking Microsoft!!! are you guys this stupid!!!

  53. Jamal says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

    When I see videos like this I start asking myself what kind of company Microsoft is, that they are afraid of the competitors, they are so desperate, god… really seeking for attention, and Windows 8 is to do that, to seek attention, people cannot expect respect when they offend others. Yes I use Gmail, Yes I like Google Chrome, NO I’m not going to change to IE10, why Microsoft have to do all those stupid videos? Retarded that’s the word for you and your products Microsoft.

  54. Please consider:

    – Implementing IE with an auto-fill that doesn’t require us to click or type.

    – Adding to the pinning functionality a list of unpinned bookmarks for those numerous web pages we don’t want to see on the start screen (maybe a scroll box on the navigation bar).

    – Integrating a button, maybe somewhere near the tabs, showing a scrollable navigation history list.

    – Enabling multiple instances of Metro IE, for a side-by-side consultation of two web pages.

    – Syncing the arrangement of pinned sites to make them appear in the same order on both Windows start screen and IE home page.

    – Implementing Metro IE navigation bar with a “save” button to save web pages on the computer.

    – Creating a shortcut to get directly to the IE home page.

    – Making the zoom scale visible (one never knows what the scale really is).

    – Correcting this problem: when I switch to a new tab that is already opened but still blank, the IE home page doesn’t show by itself.

    Other remarks:

    – The Share charm will considerably improve the sharing experience, but what about when I simply want to like or +1 a web page?

    – @Steven Sinofsky answering Robert. You surprisingly liken the Windows 8 snap feature to the Windows 7 snap feature. But there are big differences. Seriously, has someone tried taking notes on a text app while looking at a snapped web page (or a snapped dictionary, or a snapped ebook reader, or…)? The snap ratio is regrettably flawed. Please consider at least implementing it with a 50-50 snap feature.

    Thanks for your attention.

  55. Quppa says:

    I don't think I'm in the target audience for Metro IE, but I guess I can see the benefits for some users.

    When will the theming of scrollbars/buttons/comboboxes/etc. be fixed in desktop IE10? In both the Developer Preview and Consumer Preview everything is drawn in the Metro style.

  56. Thierry says:

    Please fix the file copying / create new folder lag issue.

  57. Why in Consumer Preview does 64-bit IE open tabs as 32-bit processes? After switching to Enhanced Protected Mode, it switches to 64-bit processes but all addons get disabled. This is not optimal, but a compromise in your no compromise approach – meaning you can either get 64-bit browsing or you can use addons, but not both.

    Where does IE10 store the "Save as" download location? For IE9, it used to be in HKCUSoftwareMicrosoftInternet Explorer : Download Directory string value. Note, I am not asking about the "Save" location which is configurable from IE9 GUI View Downloads (Ctrl+J) and stored at HKCUSoftwareMicrosoftInternet ExplorerMain: Default Download Directory string value. I am asking about the "Save as" location (or the last saved location) which IE10 is definitely storing somewhere in the registry but differently from IE9. Where is it and is it encoded in some form? I tried using Process Monitor to find out the key but it didn't list it, meaning it's stored in encoded form somewhere or not stored in the registry at all.

    Why is there still no way to NOT disable BHOs and addons in Pinned Site mode? That reduces the usefulness of pinned sites.

    Completed MB is needed for downloads, % complete is not enough, because if you are downloading a large file such as an ISO, the % complete progresses after a long time due to the file being of a large size, you don't know if the download is still going on or stuck.

    All feedback for separate search box was wasted it seems. Advantages of separate search box:

    * You don't discover new OpenSearch search providers any more with a sound or visual indication.

    * You only see icons now for search providers, no quick way to view their textual name, many search providers don't supply favicons and hovering over each search provider icon is time consuming and confusing with many providers showing the magnifying glass icon. Textual search provider names meant no time wasted determining which search provider is which.

    * You can't quickly switch between 2 search engines using the keyboard using the same search terms. e.g. Ctrl+E, then Down arrow key. Ctrl-E takes focus to one box but selecting another search provider using keyboard isn't easy after that as it was with Ctrl+E, then Up/Down arrow key, Enter.

    * You have to remember the keywords for searches. i.e. 'gi' for Google images, 'gm' for Google Maps which I don't want to. With the separate search box, I didn't have to.

    Where is the option to turn off reputation-based downloading for power users without turning off SmartScreen?

    Why is there an "Add site to Start Menu" command in IE Tools menu if there is no Start menu??

    The Ctrl+Shift+Enter setting is broken in Consumer Preview (IE Options: General tab: Languages button: Suffix)

  58. Speedster says:

    In using Windows 8 on laptop with no touch, I find metro experience difficult:

    – Navigation back and forth is not easy and intuitive

    – If I want to go back 8 pages, I need to click 8 times, even worse, after each click, you have to move cursor away and get arraow again to click second time

    – It appears that right-click menu shows address bar and tab bar but if web site supports right-click menu, you see menu instead, no way to see address bar!

    So, I am using desktop IE instead, All the time.

  59. Joseph Gubbels says:

    Nice, informative video but, oh man, your mic is sooooo bad. So much background noise!

  60. Yev says:

    You haven't improved anything! You took the PC and reduced it to all the limitations of a tablet!

  61. B8Blog says:

    Thanks to the folks who are keeping the comments focused on the topic at hand.

    @garyk  I think we would all agree that if you have multiple 27" monitors than full screen browsing is not for you.  That's why the desktop is there and improved.  

    Over 80% of people using Windows 7 (and thus IE) are using the browser with screens less than (or equal to) 1366 pixels wide in landscape mode (and obviously far more if you include portrait mode).  By most all accounts, browsing the web at that resolution full screen is usually fairly optimal.  It fits almost all sites that are coded to a fixed width and also allows for some level of magnification which depending on the diagonal of the screen is relevant to about 40% of the population.  Even sites that expand horizontally most often do so with columns of content that flow reasonably well, not just straight wide lines.

    This would be consistent with the fact that over 75% of PCs sold to consumers in the US are laptops and that number relative to desktops is increasing.  If you include tablets (of all types) then the numbers shift dramatically to screens of this size.  In business this number is about 60%, but includes large numbers of PCs that are dedicated to operational capacities rather than people.  All trends would indicate that the desire for mobility will continue to drive the trends in this direction relative to screen size and number.

    That said, we were deliberate in our design choices to not only "support" multiple large monitors, but to improve the desktop and design and experience and app model that scale across these.  The browser and web sites is an interesting case since nothing precludes designing a site layout for larger monitors.  We have been active in making sure app developers for the Windows Store are informed and have the tools to design unique and powerful layouts for larger resolutions.  You can see that in apps today in the Store that show (properly for reading) larger amounts of information on larger screens.

  62. What happens when you have 40 or more tabs open? I don't see a facility in the screen for dealing with that. Or what about those of us that like to group our tabs (I usually do so by opening another browser window), I don't see a functionality for that? What is more, it doesn't even seem like I can snap a browser next to a browser for comparison browsing (think a dictionary (perhaps foreign language) site next to the one your reading…there are many more).

    Overall though I think the things you've done with IE 10 are amazing (though I'm still a little surprised that you haven't included Silverlight support as a built-in 'plug-in'. I'm very glad there is still a desktop version so that I can browse with tons of windows and dozens of tabs all taking a fraction of my screen size and all tiled the way I like for my major browsing sessions, which, knowledgeably, are all done with a mouse and keyboard and will probably continue to be done that way.

  63. teoman says:

    this can be worst experience of using a browser.

    chrome is way better than IE..

    only use of my IE was downloading chrome and that's it.

    How the hack you think it will be a good experience a putting tablet UI on a PC?

    people will not leave win 7 and get this toy.

  64. B8Blog says:

    @c_barth — you are exactly right about when to use a desktop browser and 40 open tabs and the usage pattern you describe is right for the model of the desktop browsers (which is why we have it).  previously, we talked about the distribution of number of open tabs on an IEBlog post here – blogs.msdn.com/…/user-experiences-sites-in-the-spotlight.aspx

    "When looking at our usage data on how many tabs people use, we realized that an overwhelming majority of IE sessions (time between a window open and close) only have a few tabs – over 97% of IE sessions have 5 or fewer tabs, and more than 90% of users have never had more than 8 tabs open simultaneously. These numbers are consistent even when we filter out short sessions and sessions without navigations."

  65. LD says:

    Metro still blows…. the funny thing is the dev preview works on my machine the consumer release won't boot up after install…. go figure.

  66. JRey says:

    Donde estan las Jump list, deberian de crear una caracteristica parecida en la Start screen de Windows 8!!!!

  67. Fredy Vega says:

    This looks really nice, but….

    Make possible the snap feature for metro apps for resolution of 1280×800 or even less. There is a lot of laptops that use that resolution and this is a bad new for the users. The difference between 1280 and 1366 is MINIMAL!! and you can rescale with the pixels from top to bottom. If it possible to run a full screen metro app in that dimension, is possible to create a good look snap feature. Don't let that a lot of users lose this feature. Like always, make the things right! 😉

  68. SteveOZ says:

    I want my 40 tabs! Well just open IE on the DESKTOP. Sheesh. It's pretty simple.

  69. JGodo says:

    @Steven Sinofsky , I´m really curious about two design aspects you have choosen for win8. I hope you can talk a bit about this:

    1.

    It appears to be obvious that 50/50 configuration would be the most useful if we are talking about app multitasking. Also the actual small snap app is so tiny that a lot of times it renders the small app not useful at all. So,

    Why do you not allow 50/50 snap in metro apps?

    2.

    We have to admit metro apps in large screens with mouse and keyboard do not work well, or at least not as well as desktop native windowed apps, from a usability point of view. People runnig that kind os systems are likely not going to run full screened apps, and side snaped apps are far to be a good solution while working on desktop. So I think if you don´t allow winrt apps to run in desktop ( even at a fixed size window ) you may loose a lot of potential clients/users for metro apps, and even may happen you will have far less developers working for a only metro solution. So,

    Why do you not allow metro apps run in desktop windows as a possibility?

  70. Haggard says:

    Also, please add a gesture (or allow hovering for a right-click) to open a link in a new tab.

  71. Haggard says:

    "also" this post was eaten the first time through.

    What do I do for favorites I want to remember, but do not want clogging up my Start menu? I need lots of sites occasionally, and can't always remember what they are, so I keep them in Favorites.

    The Start menu is where I go for frequently used programs and links. That's fine. But IE should have its own Favorites area as well, for these types of sites – the type you need to remember but don't want in your face all the time.

    90% this. 68% that. Build a product I can use in the way I want to, without compromise. "No compromise" seems to be "for anyone in a random 95th percentile across any feature we choose" right now.

  72. Haggard says:

    And what on earth happened to font rendering?

  73. ben says:

    Where are the bookmarks/favorites? What about opening more than 1 window? Wow, we have come back to Windows 95 and have to wait another 5 years before we are able to open 2 windows at the same time and to discover more than 256 colors. Will Microsoft and Apple celebrate the day  as new discovery when iPad/Windows 8 allow to open more than 1 window side by side?

    Seems you have forgotten your own development and begin to start again where you have already been before. Obviously your brain had a system crash and you had to reinstall it.

  74. In the Windows 8 Developer Preview, there was an option in the security settings to enable 64 bit mode, which allowed the running of 64 bit browser plugins.

    Java, Flash, MS Office, and most recently Silverlight all have 64 bit plugin versions.

    In the Consumer Preview, the 64 bit mode appears to have been integrated into the "Enhanced Protected mode" option.

    I'd be happy running Enhanced Protected mode, except that it turns off browser plugins, and when one is required, it turns off 64 bit mode and loads the 32 bit plugin.

    As xpclient said above, there's no way to run the 64 bit plugins.

    I was enjoying the ability to use 64 bit plugins in my default browser for once with IE10 DP.

    Please consider reimplementing the 64 bit mode option, decoupling it from Enhanced Protected mode, or allowing 64 bit browser plugins to run in Enhanced Protected mode.

  75. alvatrus says:

    Why can't I have audio in a metro-IE session that runs in the background?

    For example: I want to listen to a youtube song while processing my e-mail. The audio stops as soon as the page leaves full-screen.

  76. @alvatrus when an app is not visible it will go in a sleep mode.  thats the reason.

    @Windows Team Could please make the shortcut Ctrl + 0 in the MetroIE in the next milestone working. It only works on the desktop.

  77. also why can i only pin webpages on the startscreen, when i use MetroIE? I want there a bookmarkmanager too.

  78. jader3rd says:

    I never did like the concepts of Favorites in IE. If it was a "favorite" I can remember it. I like the frequent list. I currently use IE favorites as bookmarks; websites I know will be hard to find again, and I suspect that I will want to periodically view it again, even if it's only once every year pro so.

    My wife has been using Win 8 CP since the day it came out, and I asked her about Metro IE and she had no idea what I was talking about. She has yet to stumble into using it. I personally use it all of the time, but that's primarily so you can get my usage data and hopefully change some things before shipping.

  79. sreesiv says:

    Looks cool. With the refinements that are yet to come in RC and subsequently in RTM, I think it's going to be a super hit, no doubt.

    Most browser fanboys 🙂 I have seen, switch to IE when doing online shopping OR banking. So with all this new fast and fluidic cinematic experience on IE10 :-), those guys will have more reasons for using IE.

  80. Aragon says:

    "We’ve found that many people – even those with the most enthusiastic and intense browsing patterns – prefer Metro style browsing because it’s less manual and more focused on what you browse than on how you browse."

    Why is it then that opening a new window through a link still cannot be set to a default maximum size but remembers the last windows size instead. This is highly annoying.

    For a good browing experience I would have expected that you find ways to stop the hicjacking of backward button by googlads and facebook plugins which becomes highly annoying as backwards simply dows not work anymore.

    The metro browser might be nice. But useless if you have to use flash. HTML5 is not a substitution for flash games sites. All your consumers on WOA tablet without a desktop will not be able to play flashgames.

    Why do you stress the multitasking option so much. It sounds like it is an improvement. But in fact it is not. First of all it cannot be used with resolution lower than 1366 and second there is only a way to snap apps right and left. There is no way to tile the display, no way to resize the display. Comapred to the state of the art desktop it is not a step forward it is a huge step  backwards.

    And when you are saying you have optimized it for touch I can only shake my head. Why the hell do I want an os optimized for touch when it is running on a non touch device? How dumb is this? Why can you not build an input aware advice which offers me an optimized experience for mouse when I am using it with mouse and keyboard and and optimized experience for touch when in fact I am using it on a touch based device.

    Instead of such a smart system which would have been revolutionary you have build another dumb os that tries to be home in both worlds at the same time. And in fact offering less than it should.

    What I like are the live tile notifications for websites. But live tiles are only of limited use as you constantly have to switch to the start screen and check if there are any notifications. A better or additional choice would have been a notification center that can be snapped. For the desktop, live tiles are of no use at all, which questions the whole concept of big ugly tiles on the start screen.

    The user experience is extremly inconsistant and broken when using desktop IE and Metro IE. One has the adress bar at the top, the other at the bottom. At least when switching between them everything inclduding the current browsing session should be synchronized.

    And why can I not swipe through open tabs by simply swiping the browser window from right to right or right to left.

  81. Aragon says:

    "We’ve found that many people – even those with the most enthusiastic and intense browsing patterns – prefer Metro style browsing because it’s less manual and more focused on what you browse than on how you browse."

    Why is it then that opening a new window through a link still cannot be set to a default maximum size but remembers the last windows size instead. This is highly annoying.

    For a good browing experience I would have expected that you find ways to stop the hicjacking of backward button by googlads and facebook plugins which becomes highly annoying as backwards simply dows not work anymore.

    The metro browser might be nice. But useless if you have to use flash. HTML5 is not a substitution for flash games sites. All your consumers on WOA tablet without a desktop will not be able to play flashgames.

    Why do you stress the multitasking option so much. It sounds like it is an improvement. But in fact it is not. First of all it cannot be used with resolution lower than 1366 and second there is only a way to snap apps right and left. There is no way to tile the display, no way to resize the display. Comapred to the state of the art desktop it is not a step forward it is a huge step  backwards.

    And when you are saying you have optimized it for touch I can only shake my head. Why the hell do I want an os optimized for touch when it is running on a non touch device? How dumb is this? Why can you not build an input aware advice which offers me an optimized experience for mouse when I am using it with mouse and keyboard and and optimized experience for touch when in fact I am using it on a touch based device.

    Instead of such a smart system which would have been revolutionary you have build another dumb os that tries to be home in both worlds at the same time. And in fact offering less than it should.

    What I like are the live tile notifications for websites. But live tiles are only of limited use as you constantly have to switch to the start screen and check if there are any notifications. A better or additional choice would have been a notification center that can be snapped. For the desktop, live tiles are of no use at all, which questions the whole concept of big ugly tiles on the start screen.

    The user experience is extremly inconsistant and broken when using desktop IE and Metro IE. One has the adress bar at the top, the other at the bottom. At least when switching between them everything inclduding the current browsing session should be synchronized.

    And why can I not swipe through open tabs by simply swiping the browser window from left to right or right to left.

  82. Metro Fan says:

    Thank you for providing this detailed post on the Metro IE10 browser. I love the speed and simplicity of the Metro IE10 browser.

    But one thing is holding me back from using it full time on my laptop with a mouse and keyboard — you have to "right-click" to show the tabs and switch between them. It's really annoying.

    Here's a solution which I don't think will be too difficult to implement: When a user hovers the mouse towards the top edge of the screen automatically make the tabs bar visible. That will save users from having to right-click every time they want to switch to a tab. Please give this some thought. Thank you.

  83. @Sinofsky

    There needs to be a lot more integration between the desktop version and the metro version.

    They need to share favorites, open tabs, etc.

    When I'm browsing on the desktop, I should be able to go to the metro version with only ONE click or tap AND the website(s) I was browsing should show up in that metro browser…

    The thing is… Mozilla and Google are going to make sure that THEIR browsers work this way.  That will result in IE10 being smoked.  I guess you wouldn't like that, would you?  But you know it's true.  Firefox and Chrome will support such things.  And IE10 – no matter how good it is (which it is) – is going to look bad next to them.

    I don't think the windows 8 brand can take that.  Consider buffing IE10 so that it at LEAST has the same capabilities as Firefox will have.

  84. I use IE9 as my RSS Reader. I assume that function is no longer in IE10? Pity. I've not yet found a Metro App that I would prefer to use over a traditional Desktop app…

  85. Martin says:

    Just a humble question, what are planned UI and usability changes for classic desktop IE10? Although IE10 Metro looks great for tablets, still more than 99% Windows users don't use touch screen on any kind. (Hard fact is that Windows 8 is currently much better for touch-enabled PCs, but worse for those 99% classic mouse-and-keyboard PCs, imho)

  86. AlexV says:

    Why IE10 uses only 25% of a quad-core CPU?

  87. SanC says:

    @Martin – using win8 on a fullhd 42inch tv and would have to disagree with you comment imho. 🙂 Once everyone has remembered that the corners are important everything become pretty easy (though I am concerned by how many things require the desktop.

  88. SanC says:

    @AlexV : Guessing it's because most websites are written using a predominantly single-threaded programming language. (Javascript)

  89. AlexV says:

    I mean testing at the max capacity it uses only 25%, if the browser would use all 100% the IE10 users with multi core CPU will get a lot of improvement.

  90. SanC says:

    @Steven Sinofsky

    (Disclaimer : I work in general user tech support.)

    REF favourites: I use the metro IE10 exclusively (unless it's for a flash-required site) and I appreciate the enhanced sandboxing in both metro and desktop msie10 – but I agree with the need for favourites. (Especially for those people who have hundreds.) I hope that in the future there will be some way to add a favourite through the metro msie10, rather than just the current "pin to start menu" option – navigating to the desktop msie10 just to add a favourite that can be searched seems a bit long-winded. I would also request a way to pin a group of tabs to the start menu, or at least to add them to favourites as can be done on the desktop version, but I'm _guessing_ this is a little used feature.

    REF automatic session reload: I know that some of my customers have chosen Chrome specifically for this reason – it saves them having to remember and relaunch a bunch of tabs – but I would ask that the opposite should be an option. (IE Please don't restore my last session when I click on the msie10 icon.)

    REF website loading progress indicators: as part of my job I often support people with vision impairments, and both the "ease of access > making things larger on screen" and "ease of access > high contrast" options dovery, very little to make those moving dots any easier to see. (Whilst I'm short-sighted so find them hard to see, my clear-sighted friend still didn't notice them on a 42inch full-hd tv @ 1.5m viewing distance until I pointed them out.) (I use the enlarge option where it's compatible with the running app. (IE it's not compat with the pinball game.)

    Anyway, sorry for the long(ish) post and looking forward to both arm and x86/64 win8. 🙂

  91. SanC says:

    @AlexV :

    If you want to see MSIE use all of your CPU, load multiple tabs each pointed to : ie.microsoft.com/…/Default.html

    (DISCLAIMER: This might make MSIE very unresponsive – I suggest adding tabs slowly.)

    Though it's a graphics test, each tab can use up to one core / thread. My quad core reached ~70% utilization with 5 or 6 tabs open. (My graphics card is very slow.)

  92. Daniel says:

    @Steven

    You seem to care a lot about usage statistics, did you realize that by always catering for the masses you'll eventually end up with an average joe OS – and that is exactly what Windows 8 is becoming.

  93. Wolf says:

    HTML5 Standard also describes the use of plugins.

    That means that IE10 in Metro breaks the standard?

    The main disadvantage is that I need to move to desktop browser if I have an site with flash or silverlight or something else.

    And the best at all web sites show the alternating content of the plugin such as install guide with link to flash or silverlight installer… Wouldn't help because the browser can't use them… for the end user this isn't practical…

    Most end users don't care about flash, silverlight, html5, javascript or plugin free… they simple want to browse the internet with full features.

    For me the way is simple… Stay on Windows 7 and use Windows 8 only to test my software before release.

    Sorry but I don't need metro and I don't need any stupid apps that do not more than a website can do…

    The onscreen keyboard also has 2 versions. The desktop version is like normal keyboard and the metro keyboard has this "&123" button which I never liked on my windows phone… I don't like it to search for characters if I need them…

  94. Hamakaze says:

    @IE team

    Previously also gave me written you ask again for you just in case.

    Would like a mechanism to block ads IE. Adblock Plus in Firefox and Chrome that is saying here, is Zehi want to thank you for considering. Recent ads-many too, feel the stand very often.

    And can be developed in-house or outsource even, so deployment of such add-on is please. To think you are better than others has been same thoughts and gave a comment.

    In addition to IE10, thank IE9 earlier versions.

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    IE10's pin is the best!!

  96. I tried to use IE Metro. It seemed a clear choice to learn the Metro UI.

    I found the IE Metro too limiting and hard to use.

    I am a Firefox user mainly and have roughly 140 bookmarks (I visit regularly 30 or so sites, have another 30 which I visit once or twice a month and the rest are pages with information I dont want to lose track), my usual browsing sessions are made in two Firefoxes windows, they average ~45 open tabs between the two (I know that for a fact, installed an addon to control that).

    The current IE Metro is just not capable of handling my browsing habits.

    As for the UI, its horrible.

    Having to right-click to show tabs feels wrong, when in similar pages there is no indication of what page we are in (a tab name), very few tabs are shown, … the entire feel is wrong.

    You are right on that usually I browse in fullscreen but I have a lot of help from the tabs bar, address and button bar, having a fullscreen IE Metro session is too limiting.

    The author of this blog post wrote:

    """ The result in Windows 8 Consumer Preview is a Metro style web experience. IE10 is designed to make website interaction fast and fluid for touch as well as for heavy mouse and keyboard use. """

    From my own experience the above quote is false. It is not fast or fluid.

    Transitions between tabs are too slow and not fluid at all with KB+M.

    It might be usable in small screens using touch, but for large screens and KB+M it is only decent for very light browsing.

  97. ReMark says:

    Uhm…  I don't remember… there is the "pixel scrolling / smooth scrolling" in Windows8 and in IE10?

    Scrolling with mouse wheel 1 or plus rows in a "jump mode" is very, very UGLY.

  98. JSM says:

    This looks good.  Browsing in full screen has been possible for a long time in IE,  but has never been optimal.  This time it really finally looks great.  I hope that  IE10  for Windows 7  will have the same qualities in full screen too.

    Also,  it's great to be able to surf without having to bother about plug-ins and activeX.

  99. @c_barth  "What happens when you have 40 or more tabs open"

    Why in the world would someone do such a thing.  Do you have a site opened more than once? How much RAM do you have on your system?

    @Mircea

    I expect you won't be using Metro. Don't you get it Metro is mostly for touch. For the rest use the desktop. How come it's so difficult for people to understand this.

  100. Robertf1 wrote:

    """ Why in the world would someone do such a thing.  Do you have a site opened more than once? How much RAM do you have on your system? """

    I do it daily (~45 tabs open tabs on average). Only have 8GB RAM.

  101. Liam Crozier says:

    Off-Topic: I've found some bugs in Windows 8, where and how do i report them?

  102. @Steven Sinofsky

    "you are exactly right about when to use a desktop browser and 40 open tabs and the usage pattern you describe is right for the model of the desktop browsers (which is why we have it)."

    This again brings up criticism of the fundamental ideas of the Metro UI. Metro is clearly less flexible than the desktop in typical usage scenarios, as your post illustrates. For those of us who want the full flexibility of the desktop all of the time, without any interruptions from Metro, why are we not allowed to turn off the Metro UI?

  103. Ciprian says:

    Interesting post. I made also a few tests of my own to see how well Internet Explorer 10 does in terms of support for web standards and browsing speed and performance. I also wanted to see if there is a noticeable performance difference between the Metro style IE and the Desktop one. My tests has some surprisingly good results. It turns out IE10 is a good step forward and the Metro style offers pretty good performance.

    Check them out if you are interested: http://www.7tutorials.com/browser-wars-internet-explorer-10-relevant-browser

  104. Please implement Metro IE with an easy way of detecting feeds and sending them to some feed reader.

  105. Compared to other posts on this blog, this one reads more like an advert than anything. Seriously, if I come across the phrase "fast and fluid" one more time, I'm going to scream.

    As for IE10, the lack of integration between the desktop and Metro versions is (again) disastrous. Why don't you share cookies at least between the two?

  106. Judith says:

    @Steven Sinofsky

    Suggestion for Metro Internet Explorer 10.

    In the Settings charm of Metro IE, please add an option "More Internet Explorer Settings". Thus, it will open The desktop Internet Options.

  107. Use Mozilla says:

    The web with Firefox is more fast and fluid, better connected to your applications, and more secure and private.

  108. neko says:

    I just hate Metro. This is all I can say. I really hope that Microsoft will offer options to disable it completely in Windows 8 RTM. Otherwise I'll bypass Windows 8.

  109. I've been using Developer Preview and now Consumer Preview on my laptop, replacing my Windows 7 installation, since they were released. I use the laptop both for work (software development) and personal use (mostly browsing the web and watching videos).

    While I still prefer to avoid Metro whenever possible, overall I will say that the Consumer Preview metro and desktop experience is much better than the Developer Preview.

    That being said, I still feel that Metro is a very backward way to interact to a non-touch desktop/laptop computer. That applies for all form factors, small screens, large screens, multiple displays, etc.

    The most annoying thing is the Charms bar. For example, every time I visit the marketplace, I would like to have a search field somewhere, for example at the top of the page. I know I can use the search charm, but always forget about that. Most people will probably never discover that an app supports search, or share, because there is not visual hint in the App. Like "click here to search".

    But discoverability aside, let's talk about the functionality of the Charms bar. I had this very annoying issue two days ago.

    I was browsing a car manufacturer site using IE 10 desktop, I downloaded a PDF with car details, Windows opened it using the Reader app. Then I wanted to share the PDF with a friend, so I opened the charms bar, selected share by email, and the compose email overlay window appeared, with the PDF attached.

    I typed a subject for the email, I composed a paragraph of text for the email content, then I needed some information from the desktop browser to finish composing my email. So I pressed the Win Key, clicked on the Desktop tile, looked for the information in the desktop browser.

    When I returned to the Reader app to finish composing my email, the compose email overlay window opened by the share charm was gone, and my partially composed email was lost. I opened the mail app, the compose window was not there either.

    OK, so then, I tried to share the PDF by email 5 times, and each time I lost the partially composed email.

    Finally, I composed the email in Notepad on the desktop to avoid losing it again, opened the reader app, shared the PDF to mail using the search charm, pasted the composed text from Notepad, filled the subject, and sent it.

    This is horrible. Once you open a share overlay, it should be persistent, to avoid losing the email content. Or even better, the share charm should open the full email app, not that overlay, like the send by email option available in many desktop applications.

    As it is now, If I want to share something from an app, I am not allowed to leave the app until I finish sharing. Any partially composed share content is lost as soon as the app is no longer in the foreground, for example if I visit the start screen. Unacceptable.

    You may ask what does this have to do with web browsing and IE 10. The answer is that the same thing happens when you try to share a page from Metro IE. The share window/overlay is lost as soon as you switch to another app or to the start screen. One of the many reasons I use Desktop IE and Windows Live Mail instead of the Metro equivalents. BTW, why are the "send by email" and "send link by email" file menu options from Desktop IE disabled?

    I feel like MS-DOS is happening all over again. Only there using another program meant you have to close the current program and lose any unsaved data.

    Also, if you have two apps side by side, you can only use the charms for the main app, not for apps snapped left or right. And I agree with others asking for 50/50 split for Metro apps, and also being able to run different Metro apps on different displays.

    Oh, and the old Start Menu was much better. For example the search didn't split the apps and settings in different categories, so I could easily select a found "setting".

    And talking about full screen, when will full screen HTML 5 video playback be implemented in IE? I really miss that feature of Flash video players.

  110. Well, one of the problems of Internet Explorer 10 to me, is that the logo of accellerator is gone.

  111. I've been using IE10 Metro on my Samsung Developer Preview tablet, and I like it a lot–it is my first choice for browsing on the tablet, until I (inevitably) hit a problem with a website and have to switch to desktop (where I use Firefox, not IE).  My observations so far:

    -I'm not sold on the totally chromeless experience; certain things like the back button are hit so regularly that hiding them is a real annoyance.  It would be really nice if IE10 (and other Microsoft metro apps) were at least a little configurable, so I could make the buttons *I* use regularly like Back on the screen all the time.

    -IE10 is noticeably smoother scrolling and faster than Firefox 10 on my tablet in both Metro and Desktop.  I have not used Chrome in a long time, so I can't compare there.

    -Some sites that layout fine in IE desktop do not in IE metro.  I've noticed this a lot on ESPN's site in particular, IE Metro doesn't always let me scroll vertically on the page.

    -The more touch friendly UI in IE Metro is very very nice on a tablet, but when I do have to switch to desktop I have to get out the stylus. Since 50% of the sites I go to have flash or Silverlight plugins, that really hurts the experience of the tablet in general.

    -Once more, I beg: support plugins and extensions!  I would rather make the choice myself whether the battery life and security are important.  I wouldn't mind if they were blocked by default–I use FlashBlock on Firefox to do that normally anyway.  Also, plugins like AdBlock Plus are absolutely critical to me–especially as sites start abusing HTML5 more and more for annoying animated ads

  112. @Steven Sinofsky

    Please the IE10 on metro and aero acts seperately and does not share cookies and

    Why does METRO IE have the address bar at the bottom whereas Desktop IE is in its 'normal' place?

    please make the browser act as one at least there should be link between the browser….

  113. Technogranny says:

    I just wish that there was a feedback for IE10 its the only one that has no means of giving feedback when problems are encountered using it. I am trying to use the METRO version at all times and would love to be able to give feedback in the same way as with the other apps.

  114. Stefan says:

    Lucky me, i have upgraded to Linux ! 🙂

  115. Good luck Stefan .                

  116. Metrorgasm says:

    @Sinofsky

    "Thanks to the folks who are keeping the comments focused on the topic at hand."

    "Thanks for being Microsoft Suckers"

  117. Ter says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

    BTW Sinofsky, 99% of the people use IE just to download Google Chrome. Mamaguevo

  118. I-DotNET says:

    @Stephen: Did you watch this video yet?

    A “real” user proves Windows 8 fails on the desktop

    http://www.geek.com/…/a-real-user-proves-windows-8-fails-on-the-desktop-20120312

    Are you going to start addressing all the huge usability issues we brought to your attention back in September?  Are you waiting for a Vista-sized debacle to get you to listen to your customers?

  119. I am about to give up.

    "Snap makes it easy to use Windows 8 for more than one thing at a time."

    Really!?  That sounds like a line from 1994.  As if today, we can't have multiple browser tabs along with mail apps, Word, Media Player, etc already.

    "Charms provide a consistent way to perform common actions like searching and sharing in Windows 8. IE10 supports the Search, Share, Devices, and Settings charms:"

    Whatever.

    "Site tiles let you go directly to your sites from the Windows 8 Start screen"

    Oh, like desktop shortcuts that we have used for the last decade.

    "Metro style and no-compromise browsing"

    Yep.  Because with almost every site that has a Silverlight or Flash plugin, I have to "compromise" by using the desktop version (which I prefer anyway).

    And you cannot be serious with the screenshot at the below URL.  This looks like something that someone in their 1st year of CompSci produced–oh, that is right.  Most of the developers you now have are straight out of school–as proven by your last post.

    blogs.msdn.com/…/4152.2_2D002D002D00_tabs_2D00_and_2D00_navbar_5F00_37518799.png

    If this keeps up, I am going to have to turn in my MSFT card.  The Apple fans that I worked with are laughing their butts off whenever I have the Metro screen up.

    This post is by far the worse and most self-serving.  As others have complained, it seems that there is no desire to answer some of the real concerns.  Usage Metrics may drive your goal, but the metric don't reflect satisfaction.  

  120. Roberto says:

    "And I promise you'll have finger prints all over your monitor, if it doesn't support touch"

    Eso es una buena idea eh Sinofsky? Eres un retardado mental o que.

  121. Roberto says:

    Remember this Sinofsky, really I know that Im "nothing" to you, but remember Apple will kick your ass, and Windows 8 will be a disaster.

  122. Sod IE10, how about some fixes for IE9? The names of top-level week nodes in the history list don't change if you leave the browser open for weeks (you end up with three entries saying "last week"); the history can sometimes stop working altogether (sites you know you've visited simply stop being added to the list – some days there's hardly anything in the "today" node); tabs sometimes totally fail to load any content and enter a "dead" state; RSS feeds simply stop updating after the machines's brought back from sleep, regardless of their update frequency setting. These things still affect my daily usage of IE9, and since they've remained unfixed for so long I don't hold out much hope that the IE10 experience will be bug-free.

  123. First time i saw IE10 on Metro i was like wtf someone zoomed in my Phone Screen to 27"LCD. After saying wtf i removed the crap soon i removed whole OS from virtual machine. Seriously MS! Guys just go back to Desktop and run web sites propertly in normal UI. This must be another MS Joke.

    And again…

    Dear Microsoft PC is not a giant Phone.

  124. pmbAustin says:

    The "Pinned Sites" terminology is just very confusing.  To me that says "Sites that I've pinned to the Desktop Taskbar or to the Start Screen"… which is not what I want.  Can we get that changed back to "Favorites"?  That is a term everyone knows and uses, and is what is wanted there.  I can't imagine why I'd ever want to see  a list of my 'pinned' sites at that point.

    Also, can the teams work together to create TWO default browsers?  One for Metro and one for Desktop?  Because if I click a link anywhere on Desktop, I want Desktop IE to open.  If I do a similar thing in Metro, I want Metro IE to open.  And if I set a default browser on the desktop to something other than IE, I still want Metro IE to open if I'm browsing in Metro.

    At the same time, I really want the two browsers (Metro and Desktop) to be better integrated.  If I add favorites to one, it should auto-appear in the other.  Same with history/recent-sites, pre-filled fields (like passwords), etc.  I don't want to be so aware that I'm using two physically different browsers… I want one browser with two UIs.

    And speaking of Desktop IE, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us more UI customization options!  I really, really want the IE8 "Search Box" back, as an OPTION, so I can park it right next to the address bar (with tabs underneath).  I use search intensively, and I HATE using the address bar for searching (it pollutes the drop-down list with searches instead of sites, among other things, and makes it very difficult to quickly do the same search in multiple search providers with just a click).  Right now, I have to put Google and Bing on my favorites bar, and I click those and use the actual search home pages… to me searching in the address bar is pointless and useless.  I want my dedicated search box back!  And it would be really nice to be able to move the HOME button over to the left, where it belongs, so that it's consistent with pinned-to-taskbar sites if nothing else.  

    Also, it should be EASY to find each version of IE (Metro and Desktop) so that they can be pinned anywhere you want.  If you remove the pinning, and change defaults, one or the other shouldn't "disappear" and be hard (or impossible) to find, and restore.

  125. Not too bad guys – not my favorite part of Win8 (from a usability perspective), but it's definitely fast…

    Two main questions:

    1) How does the metro app handle pop-ups?  Even intended pop-ups that are used for authentication..

    2) How can I "snap" two websites together to browse simultaneously?  Will I need to go to the "desktop" version of IE10?  If so, is there an easy way for me to transition to the "desktop" app?

  126. jader3rd says:

    @Andrew McDonal,

    I have the same experience of frequently visited sites getting dropped out of the history, if the broswer has been open for multiple days, in IE 10. I think it really breaks the IE frequent feature.

  127. Kevin says:

    Please separate out "pinned" sites that appear on the Start Screen and "favorites" that should be internal to IE 10. I bookmark a lot of links that I find interesting, but I have no intention of keeping them long. I don't want to litter my Start Screen with 100+ tiles. It'll be hideous. The intention and execution are poorly done compared to what the Windows Phone 7 team did. Heck, even with a smaller screen and lower resolution, they got the idea correct.

    I think someone ego here is so HUGE that s/he refuse to think what's logical and common sense: pinned and favorites are two different ideas. On WP7, they don't even have a pinned location inside IE10. All pinned sites exist in the homescreen where they belong. So, replace the IE 10 pinned sites with favorites and we'll be happy. You can still pin to the Start Screen, which is how it SHOULD work.

  128. JGodo says:

    People, a few words for you:

    Metro is intended for tablet and touch devices.

    Please, don´t compare it to desktop. In workstations and a lot of laptops desktop is clearly a better choice for almost ( if not all ) tasks. If you want to compare metro then compare it with iPad or Android OS because that is the FAIR comparision.

    If you analize from this pont them metro multitasking, while a bad joke compared with desktop, is a lot betther than iPad and android multitasking. We need to have clear that Win8 is a tablet/hybrid OS. If you analize from this perspective is clearly the best tablet/hybrid/convertible OS out there even in its first iteration. In fact this is the only real hybrid/convertible OS right now opening a whole new line of fully productivity/consumer devices.

    Of course if you are not interested in tablet or touch devices then you are not interested in win8. I had no interest whatsoever in tablet devices, but this could change with win8 as a fully convertible device can be a very nice option to replace my labtop.

    I think Microsoft is heavily failing to make this distinction because microsoft is transmiting that they are trying to beat desktop ( win7 ) with metro, where metro fails miserably, instead of comparing to its real competence where metro shines.

    I´m not a fan of metro in desktop. In fact my start screen has only one tile ( desktop one ) and I don´t see how this can change in my workstation. But we need to be fair with microsoft and win8 and criticize what really needs to be criticize and ask for improvements where really are needed not loosing the perspective of an tablet/hybrid/convertible device. If you have a workstation then keep the wonderful win7 and wait to a betther desktop integration in win9.

  129. sean e says:

    pmbAustiin makes a good point re: default browsers.  The standard refrain from MS is use desktop IE if you have a large monitor, don't use Metro IE.

    I remote in to my tablet/slate and use it with a large display and keyboard.  When I go mobile, smaller display and no keyboard.  MS doesn't seem to want to support this usage.  It seems to be either use desktop or use metro.  Change your default browser when you change usage scenario?

  130. Aragon says:

    @DarienHawk67

    I believe you are wasting your time. While you are 100% right, I believe Mr. Steven Sinfosky really believes what he is putting into his postings.

    Microsoft is acting like a child. They close their eyes from the upcoming Metro disaster hoping they can get away with it. But once this sh*t gets RTM and released publically they will get blown away by an everlasting sh*t storm. The Feedback already is desastrous for the decisisions that have been made during development.

  131. This post brings up some of my biggest concerns in Windows 8. IE looks great in Metro, but for some things, you will still have to use the desktop version. In the recent past, I viewed Metro as an eventual replacement for the Desktop and that we were in a transitory phase, so some interop issues were to be expected. This seems to not be the case, however, especially considering issues such as the simple interface requirements and restrictions on apps.

    I’m actually okay with two interface styles, but I am very disappointed by the fact that Metro’s other enhancements won’t be coming to new traditional style apps. Basically, I was hoping that all future apps (metro and desktop style) would be: Installed via modern app packages, always cleanly uninstalled, configurations saved and synced, able to take advantage of new features such as contracts, easily be reinstalled post rebuilds, and run fully isolated from the OS. Of course older desktop apps would still run, but they would eventually be phased out. All this could be done and still retain the existing interface for complex apps, but that appears not to be the case at least at this point as Metro apps do not appear capable of replacing apps with come advanced interface requirements.

    Also disappointing is the seemingly half completed metro integration (why do so many settings require a trip to the desktop?) It should be possible to configure everything in Metro for consistency. Part of me wants to believe this will change by release, but a greater part of me now expects an Office 2007 half/half new interface style release. This will be particularly bothersome on a tablet where a user should never have to see the desktop.

    I still think that the new direction is a good one to modernize Windows, while retaining compatibility, but I am concerned about where things will be going from here.

  132. dreame says:

    Why can´t I pin several different desktops to the start screen? That way start screen would become much more useful.

    So I could have several Desktop configurations / workspaces.

    But of course this would be against Microsofts 1 window policy where multitasking, several monitors are evil.

  133. Anon says:

    Totally unimpressive! No rearchitecting to make it run in a sandboxed environment like Chrome. No improvements in speed like downloading and rendering a page while you are typing its address like Chrome. No innovation like Chrome. Nothing to surprise me like Chrome. Nothing sophisticated. Only metro. And this is bad because in metro you have the advantage compared to other browser vendors who no nothing about metro yet. The documentation is not available for developing a metro-style browser. So, you will get ahead the competition not through innovation like Chrome but because you know the internal details of your OS. This is cheating.

  134. Frenz says:

    Sinofsky:

    You ask us to stay on topic, however you refrain from answering the essential issue here – which a great many people have tried to point out in the previous 4 blog posts.

    Until you answer for those decisions, anything you post on this blog is considered irrelevant by a large percentage of the professional community I'm pretty sure – start listening and we might start to pay attention to all the great things Windows 8 has under the hood. But if the car comes without a wheel, I don't really care how great the engine is.

    And btw. I think you trust your usage statistics just a little too much – who are those people who have that enabled? I know I never did, because I really don't like my OS to "phone home" – I guess a lot of advanced users feel the same way. <sarkasm>What is the percentage of users having usage statistics disabled according to your surveys?</sarkasm>

    I guess if usage statistics is the only thing that counts, then I should stop worrying about my privacy if I want influence on the next version of Windows…

    One thing I know for sure – I seem to always be in those last 1-2% who happen to be using my OS in ways which everyone else must find very excotic .. I guess we (the 1-2%) just happen to be very loud on this blog. I guess I happen to belong to that shitty category called professional users, who you seem to have kind of forgotten about and I hate to tell you this, but I think our opinion is a lot more influential than most of your other users.

    Oh and btw. this is probably the most buggy blog I've ever used…. I would feel a little ashamed if I were trying to promote Microsoft technologies.

  135. (Full disclosure; I prefer Firefox as my browser on both Windows and Mac.  Speed Dial and the available add-ons are excellent)

    Before I removed Windows 8 from both my laptop and desktop last week I spent some time with IE10.

    Even on a 15in laptop IE10 looks like it was designed for retarded people.  I don't mean that as an insult.  IE10 really looks like a Web browser designed for learning disabled people.  Metro IE10 is bright, colorful, very simple to operate and really basic.  It might also be of use with those who are the least computer savvy around world.

    As a browser for folks who know how to use computers and who often do several things at once in a browser IE10 is a very poor choice.  I can envision that on an eight or nine inch tablet it might be OK.  Maybe.

    As with most of Metro "dumbed down" is way too flattering a term to use.

  136. Anon says:

    Yeah, such a shame that it's totally useless for actual browsing because it doesn't support flash.

  137. Kevin says:

    I want to reiterate what I wrote earlier: It's okay to have pinned sites within IE 10 and on the Start Screen, but it MUST NOT be the replacement for favorites. Please, we do not want 50+ "favorites" cluttering the Start Screen. The screenshot that you showed with Frequent and Pinned, well, it also need Favorites. That's ALL that I ask from the IE 10 app team.

  138. alvatrus says:

    What I mean is:

    In very broad terms, the Metro interface is for content consumption, and the Desktop is for content creation.

    Why can't I, in the metro interface, consume audio (in a youtube page) while browsing my e-mail?

  139. Mark says:

    I hope Microsoft employees have a thick skin after all the comments in these last few posts….lol, Part of it is that Microsoft is blogging to the wrong audience – the OS is clearly optimized for casual tablet users but it seems to me the primary readership of this blog is desktop power-users, which naturally causes some unhappiness.

    I played with Metro IE10 for a while but it is so different and doesn't seem to offer any advantages (and a large number of disadvantages) for a desktop user that I quickly switched to Desktop IE10 as the default. I am glad that desktop IE10 is still there and seems to work in a familiar fashion. I hope it continues to be enhanced and not left behind.

  140. Suave says:

    All of this.  So why did you not include the most important thing of being able to save an image to your harddrive.

  141. Mike says:

    When you click a link you can't tell if it navigated to a new page or opened a popup in a new tab.

    Better yet when you click a "Close" link in a popup it closes the entire browser.

    That's a pretty big problem for everybody. Tabs must be visible at all times.

  142. Paul says:

    Why have a desktop in the first place, why not remove it all together and launch non-metro apps from the start screen in its own Window.

  143. Random says:

    Sinofsky the Steve Jobs Wannabe…. haha Sure… hey Mr Sinofsky just wait.. until Windows 8 becomes a big disaster.

  144. Pol says:

    When this retard leaves Microsoft  http://www.youtube.com/watch

    Then I will take seriously Microsoft products.

  145. METRORGASM says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

    METROOOOO METROOOOO METROOOOO METROOOOO METROOOOO

    Repeat after me kids!

    METROOOOO METROOOOO METROOOOO METROOOOO

  146. LD says:

    Here's the issue, "if you have multiple 27" monitors than full screen browsing is not for you."  

    If you care enough to pour hardware at the machine windows 8 isn't for you.  The desktop improvements are trivial aside from the "rebuild windows" functionality, which to be honest shouldn't NEED to be there generally.

    Metro offers nothing for power users and severely degrades the current user experience.  Windows Customer Preview can't even install on my laptop.  The Dev preview works properly (assuming Metro is intended).  

    Can someone from MS confirm that we will be able to turn off Meto as it's not for me, my wife, my son, my customers, or anyone I've talked to about Metro?

  147. I-DotNET says:

    The mantra when creating a modern UX should be "simple, easy, obvious".  When you design a UX so bad that it requires a tutorial to use it, then you've failed.  This isn't the 1990's anymore, Stephen.  

  148. IE10 cannot do auto login to any web site despite setting Windows credentials in Win8 CP!

    Web Credentials button also doesn't do or enable anything in Win8 CP !

  149. Someone says:

    Sugestions:

    Mouse movement more sensitive in Metro (bigger targets, fewer misses), and less sensitive on desktop (icons and menu texts are small).

    A single Metro tile that have shutdown, restart, logoff and control panel. Another Metro tile for viewing, switching to and closing opened apps.

  150. Creative Fisher says:

    No flash?  That was one chance to one up Apple.  Alas!

    creativefisher.blogspot.com

  151. Duh says:

    I don't have dual quad cores, 12 gig of ram and dual 24 inch monitors to single task. My rig is not a tablet and I should not be forced to make it act like one.

  152. I am out says:

    I had Windows 8 in a VM and it fatally crashed. Now I cannot be bothered to install this sh*it again. So I am out.

    Reading or commenting here even does not have an impact. Steve Sinofsky is acting like former communist leaders: "The party, the party, the party is always right."

    Screw you!!!

  153. Jack says:

    I think we all should leave the Metro Madness here and move on to Apple.

  154. Kevin says:

    @I am out: You are using a beta software on a VM that probably doesn't support Windows 8 yet. I'm not surprised you're having problems. Give it another try.

  155. Devon says:

    It would be nice to see Google buying Ubuntu and making a new Os that would beat Microsoft Ass.

  156. Fredrik says:

    I don't like metro on my desktop. Its simply sucks. And I don't like the switching between desktop and metro whole time. Metro? No thanks.

  157. KramayP says:

    I really don't get why people hate on Windows 8. I've been using it for a WHILE (since dev preview) and i really like what MSFT is doing with it. People have to stop comparing windows 8 with windows 7 because they're just not the same thing. MSFT is moving in the right direction by focusing on touch friendly devices which is boudn to be the future of computing, not only mobile computing. And that is exactly what apple is doing with OS X and with iOS. I hate how things work in this world. When apple adds two more pixels to the darn iPad, people go crazy and say that its the greatest innovation in the history of mankind but when microsoft (or any other company for that matter) decides to truly innovate and redesign an entire operating system, people start hating (dont' even bother saying that its a bad change blah blah blah)

    Here's what i have to say, if u like Windows 8, buy it, if you don't then DON'T buy it. Stop Hating.

  158. Finn says:

    " People have to stop comparing windows 8 with windows 7 because they're just not the same thing."

    This line…. priceless.. exactly they're not the same one is for TABLETS and another is a nice DESKTOP OS….

    Go and give yourself a Metrorgasm.

  159. pmbAustin says:

    Features that are absolutely necessary, but are either missing or so hidden I can't find them:

    Fast and easy way to jump to the top of the page.  iOS has this (touch the top status bar).  IE10 needs this (both desktop and metro)

    Fast and easy way to jump to the bottom of the page.  Nobody seems to have this, but I want/need it almost daily.

    Fast and easy way to save/share an image on a page (phones do a "touch and hold" sometimes to bring up a menu).  Not sure how this could integrate with Share charm, or if it even should.

    Fast and easy way to copy/paste text in Metro touch world.  Select->Accerator is also missed.

    Seriously, nine times out of ten, an embedded youtube video wouldn't play in IE10.  Unacceptable.

    "Find on page" isn't very intuitively located.  Neither is "zoom level".  Dunno how to best fix that, but while I found them, I spent way too much time searching for them… even AFTER the first use.  "Find again" shouldn't be difficult the next day after finding it the first time.  This tells me the location is just not intuitive.

    Agree with everyone that we need FAVORITES (including the ability to go into folders of favorites, ability to add current page to favorites or any favorites folder, and optimally, to organize favorites).  I can't see ANY purpose to listing "pinned" sides.  Why woudl I want that?  They're already pinned, and thus easily accessible!

  160. Fernando says:

    I have a large monitor and on Desktop mode I found some things more difficult:

    A- Address bar at the bottom, it might make sense on tablets but it's against muscle memory with desktop/mouse

    B – Back bottom not visible – Again, it takes me a right click to see it and I find myself going to the upper left corner and realizing the arrow is no there

    I understand the design logic, but I feel that going against muscle memory on the Desktop might not be the best solution. Is it possible to detect either the screen resolution or mouse use and change some of the default behaviors? This way you can still get the best for tablets and work for Desktop, making it a truly "no compromise" experience.

    Thanks for letting me discuss with the team, very excited about the product.

  161. Netscape says:

    Who use Internet Explorer anyway… That's so 1998

  162. Fast and fluid..

    ..no compromise

  163. Sarcasm says:

    Sinofsky loves fast & fluid…. things….   🙂

  164. METRORGAMS says:

    You know what time it is?

    TIIIIIIMEEEEEE FOR A MEEEEEEETROOORGASMMM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

    METROOO METROOO METROOOOO

  165. Braden says:

    For desktop users, either stick with Internet Explorer desktop, or only use metro version for light browsing.

    Which is rather nice, to keep you focused on long pages, with lots of reading. But I still use desktop IE for 90% or more of my browsing (on a desktop system).

    Advertising is going to play a pivotal role with Windows 8

    The one was a gem, in it's time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

  166. BRAAADEN says:

    OH Braaaaaaaaaaaadeenn here comes BRAAAAAAAAAAADEEEEN  

  167. W8User says:

    After actively using the consumer preview for a couple weeks as my main laptop, I can't help but feel that windows 8 is converting my laptop into a dull iMachine, and making me an iUser.

    Please, please, please, provide a 'power user' mode where I can still use all the improvements in the base OS and switch to the metro UI only when I want to browse the web, watch a video, or play a simple game in the metro UI.

  168. SalukiJim says:

    Nobody wants this.  Not one person I have talked to has ANY desire to "go metro".  Go away with this or risk irrelevance

  169. BRAAADEN says:

    So Braden, how are you, we all know about your fanaticism on windows fingerprints 8.

  170. BRAAADEN says:

    Braden how many Metrorgasm are you having per day.

  171. Stefan says:

    It feels great to have have stopped trying out this garbage named Windows 8. After installing LuninuxOS i get more stuff than Microsoft ever will provide their users with. All hardware are recognized and work. I am amazed how great Linux works today. And i can also run Windows software in it. What do i need Windows for ? It was Mr. Sinofsky's stubborness and dis-respect for us who don't like Metro on a desktop that made me decide to try Linux instead. No more Windows for me. I have also had it with being treated like a criminal by Microsoft: OGA, WGA, CEIP and so on….. Thanks Windows 8 dev team, it was YOU who made me leave Windows after all this years with it (since NT4). Hope You find a new job…

  172. Kikiriki says:

    I will wait… It will be fun to see Windows 8 fail, in the meantime I'll stick to Windows 7, and just wait Windows 9.

  173. hamakaze japan says:

    Is irrelevant and this article, summarizes requests and criticism coming out in the trenches again. Please do reflect even a little.

    -How to shut down the confusing, unintuitive

    Longer mouse distance to shut down

    -Want to add, such as shutting down the power button in the context menu displayed by right-clicking the start screen thumbnail on mouse over the bottom left to get out.

    -Should provide power management tile to access shutdown or restart of the start screen (start screen to shut down visually much different if the descriptive)

    -Shut down running is completely shut down, or you do not know whether the new Hibernate

    And has repeatedly pause and return to bug some occasionally unstable freeze, but instead became a killing so choose a also completely shut down any easier, so I want to

    And without a shutdown from the GUI and do not pause the Session # 0 does not become a return during boot and will compromise the dual boot

    Traditional Hibernate State GUI, missing

    -Metro screen color blocked I'm promotes bad feelings (wants increased freedom in color design based on user)

    -Made the Metro backgrounds like images, a background color for Slydouble want to tweak the colours, patterns of users any additional available

    Better personalization of the Metro UI was required (such as show / hide items / join / folder hierarchy, etc.)

    -To position tiles on the user a free sorting tiles you want to (provide only the placement of the tiles framework an image)

    -Allow fine-tuned Metro Tile display size also can change desktop icon size in Slydouble and in the same way I want to

    Less choice of Metro tile size (also cannot change the size of a small tile-or the big square want even small tiles by maybe one in landscape / 2 VH in three next)

    -Desired tail color of the Metro free (instead of a solid color, gradient etc. required)

    -Want to replace desktop apps the Pushpin to start tile favorite images

    -To be able to also change the display size and small desktop applications to start the Pushpin tile I want to

    -Want to tile the Pushpin Web site automatically gets page the latest thumbnail and viewing them

    -Can't use style desktop shortcut "file > application launch" a conventional opening in the direction of "apps start → file" can be in the start screen, same

    -Able to Pushpin shortcuts for frequent references to files or link to start screen I want to

    -Cannot create a shortcut to desktop from the Metro (Pushpin taskbar instead)

    -Hard to use Metro in the current file references for the Reader, filer

    -To make the Explorer played Viewer with thumbnails, including photo and video integration, optimize and manage files in the Tablet Metro screen

    -When you store lists of installed apps I want mark as you can tell

    -Put the MicrosoftID can't use most of the Metro Desk application ( Music or Video until )

    -Metro app preview version very much though the minimum not even function often, failing in the promotion

    -Metro Music apps such as playing on the tile, stop song about should be able

    -Metro applications end way intuitive and not for further action on the big screen (drag from the top down)

    -Exit button right click on get the apps screen easy and intuitive

    -Want to remain empty space after closing any snap during the Metro-enabled applications so automatically other apps make the whole screen

    Desktop screen as a window display Metro-enabled application to, I want a gadget available can be

    -Hot deals in the four corners of the desktop per decision is too narrow

    -Charm bar I want save option to display at all times

    -I want save option at least bar displayed in the left without swaying vertical mouse emerged from the beginning to the bar, running full screen thumbnail to view

    -To change UI font for status quo can't change (partial)

    Improvement of font rendering

    -Beautiful fonts, compared to the iPad, and (hiragino kakugo fonts that are displayed in the Mac if Yu gothic ideal beauty or the Windows Phone yet or Ali)

    -Look bad in the current font Japan to at least Metro UI, to be established for Metro screen for alphabetic style Japan for even better yet (metrosexuals and good writing and "start")

    -Aero Glass enabled screen on desktop apps and window frame border are missing at any time just like Basic to Win7 flimsy miku, cheesy ← Aero Lite?

    -Console app fix Vista and 7 glass felt the circuit 8 console is feeling floating in a (bad way)

    -Store ready white margins to the left and right of the console application

    -Want to Aero transparency settings range widely 7 humilis (weak transparency)

    And rather than dragging on from the under mouse operations on the lock screen, double-click the start type in the password automatically enter password migration so I want

    -New address bar with a higher compatibility for original without any disturbing want the option to hide the button to "on"

    -Want tab feature to Windows Explorer (manage multiple folders in one window, the Internet Explorer)

    -Folder to organize an inconvenient user any sort order I want revived

    And wants incorporate virtual desktop (features increase the desktop Linux systems page)

    -Maintenance of GUI access to the storage facilities now is remain English and translation

  174. Azul Wizard says:

    I'm sure Windows 8 will be huge success in the consumer world…

    But as a developer, and a WPF early adopter, I can only say…

    BRING BACK UIElement.Effect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

    and XNA…

    Actually not only bring back XNA, make all DirectX available from .NET! not only D3D.

  175. SPACE METRORGASM says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

    Sinofsky please listen to the customers… We Don't like METROOOOOOOO

  176. Pol says:

    @GTFO

    Use your real name, pussycat… 🙂

  177. Pol says:

    @GTFO

    Are you having a deep fast & fluid Metrorgasm?

  178. @MSFT says:

    Can you please ban Pol's IP???

    Thank you…

    Or even better, make this forum only for MSDN users…

  179. Pol says:

    @MSFT

    Have you ever read about….      IP Changer? Thank you.

  180. @Pol says:

    I'm sure you are some angry forever alone jobless basement duelling neckbeard  that spends way too much time doing nothing on the internet…

    Every time I come I see you $hit-posting…

    Get a Job you punk.

  181. METROOOOO says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

    Too much noise here, we want Mooore noise… how about METRO METRO METRO..

  182. Pol says:

    @@Pol

    No, Im an handsome man, 1,83 caucasian, I just laugh at Metroidism and Windowers fanatics.

  183. Pol says:

    People don't like this garbage, sooner or later they will understand that, in the meantime Sinofsky is avoiding all the real complains.

  184. @Pol says:

    And I laugh at Apple fans, Linnux Freetards and people who thinks they speak perfect English.

    It's 'a' not 'an' you dummy.

  185. Pol says:

    I didn’t notice that mistake, Tal vez me equivoque por escribir muy rápido, soy Español idiota, a ver si te atreves a escribir algo en español con fluidez, y sin errores ortográficos, no soy fanático de Apple ni mucho menos de Linux, usa tu nombre verdadero.

  186. Windows 8 Jeopardy says:

    Select the appropriate name for Windows 8

    A. Fingerprints 8

    B. Fast & Fluid 8

    C. Metrorgasm 8

    D. Tiles 8

  187. I am out says:

    @Kevin

    Why should I keep spending time testing a beta os that I will never buy?

    If Microsoft forces me to re-learn how to do things with Windows 8, I can as well switch to Apple or to Linux.

  188. SteveOZ says:

    Hey "I am out", Linux and Apple are doing the same thing …Microsoft is merely catching up – so get used to it! Billions upon billions of potential dollars await Microsoft if they get it right. Besides, if you don't have a tablet, you can always use IE for the desktop.

  189. Yikes says:

    Nice looking toy browser.  Fits in well with the rest of what has already been appropriately characterized as the Fisher-Price OS.  I guess there's still hope that Chrome or Firefox will deliver something suitable for grownups.

  190. @Yikes says:

    >Nice looking toy browser.

    I use ie since 9 U MAD?

  191. lol says:

    bunch of so called "power users" sprouting stupidity in here.

    Metro is not a replacement for desktop. Desktop is there and will be there for a long time.

    Metro is for touch *BUT* it kinda works with mouse/kb anyways.

    I have been using win8 as my primary OS since dev preview. As a developer/power user, I rarely even go to metro (except weather and XE.com apps). I know metro is not useful for my production work but I don't see why I need to hate metro. It is there but I will only use it if I specifically need it (like docking-enabled tablets).

    Windows 8 provides a lot of benefits for a desktop/power user over windows 7. That is enough.

    Stop being a retard and get this fact in to your brain.

  192. Power User 01 says:

    I'm a power user like most of the people here.

    But I'm much to dumb to realize I don't have to use Metro apps.

    Please remove everything metro, and keep Windows as similar as possible for the next one hundred years (or until I personally die), then it's okay to change Windows after this – because I'm more important than any other user.

  193. AhhhDerrr says:

    This whole thing is just a big joke, right?  I am a software developer for an international franchise company, and we have ZERO interest in Metro (or Windows phones or tablets for that matter).  It is all so uninspiring and limiting.  Don't mess stuff up!

  194. Productive Person says:

    I can't be productive in Windows 8!   Help!

    I know I don't have to use metro apps, but I can't help myself.

    I have an addictive personality, and since gaining access to apps, that's all I do all day!

    Microsoft should help my addiction, and let me do work, by removing that whole metro thing.

    Windows is what it is, and should never change!

    Even if lots of stupid people seem to like using tablets for some tasks these day.

  195. My humble opinion says:

    Windows for retards.That's the new windows version.

  196. Or says:

    Or

    Windows for retards, that like touch. There is a market for this.

    + Excellent desktop operating system. Everything Windows 7 was and more.

    Where Start Screen differs, no productivity is lost.

  197. lololol says:

    @lol

    "I know metro is not useful for my production work but I don't see why I need to hate metro."

    Even if it was useful for your production work. There is one simple fact: People don´t like it.

    I mean look at what a great success Windows Phone is. It has even less market share than the terrible Windows Mobile. And there are many many users out there who will never buy it because they simply don´t like it. What a wonderful idea to force this controversial UI onto their users.

    If people don´t like it they don´t buy it. It is this simple. No matter how great it is. Does Apple have the better products? No. But they build them in a way people want them.

    Microsoft is doing the opposite. They force users. Basically this new OS is like dog vomit and they tell us to lick it up and get used to it.

  198. Apple Fan says:

    Windows Phone actually gets mostly really great reviews. Who knows what the future holds?

    WP8 and greater spec devices, +overall vision/integration across platforms, may eventually allow it to succeed in gaining a sizeable audience.

  199. I am out says:

    @SteveOZ

    Right. Thats Microsofts problem. They are so busy doing everything the Apple way, that they forget that they are not Apple.

    Well then maybe I better buy the original product.

    Sinofsky prolly is already daydreaming about the value of his stock options once Microsoft has been turned into Applesoft.

    Again: Maybe I should buy the original then.

    I don´t think they get it right at the moment. They are going the Vistaway.

  200. lololol says:

    @Apple Fan

    Good reviews are worthless as well as telemetry data when users don´t buy it. I have never met a real person who has a Windows Phone. Only Iphones and Androids where I look.

    Biggest mistake on Windows Phone: Missing customization. Microsoft don´t get it that a smartphone is a lifestyle product. And users want options to customize it to some extent to become a unique item. A lot of users are missing customization options.

    And the first release did not even have an option to use own ring tones.

    A company like Microsoft who does not even have a clue what their customers want is prone to fail.

    Look at Vista: Great OS from a technical aspect. A lot of protection for users. But so f*ucking annoying that users simply hated it.

    Again: Microsoft did not even have a clue what their customers want.

    It would be even ok not to know their users. But if they obviously don´t know their users, they should go out there and ask them. I am sure the last thing users have been demanding is a removal of the start button, a start screen or other useless crap. Why is there no site like windowsphone.uservoice.com/…/101801-feature-suggestions for Windows 8? Because Microsoft thinks they know. Actually they don´t know. They are looking stubbornly at their telemetry data and are so busy doing things a different way for changes sake and counting daydreaming money that they forget about the people using this.

    That´s why Windows Phone is a fail. And that´s why Windows 8 will be a fail.

  201. @lololol says:

    "Even if it was useful for your production work. There is one simple fact: People don´t like it."

    lol? What makes you think people don't like it? Some bitching on blogs? There are TONS of positive reviews (AND positive comments) about Metro (W8, WP7, Xbox etc)…and there *ARE* some negative reviews/comments too.

    You can't please everybody with design. Some will hate it, some will love it. Some just wont care. At the end of the day, if you like desktop, use desktop. No need to go metro IE/apps.

    Some people are acting like windows 8 is all about metro. But it is NOT. You can think of windows 8 as Windows 7 with performance boost + lots of new features (including storage space, new taskmgr, multimon taskbar etc) + a revamped "start menu". Don't like metro, don't use it. I don't like windows classic theme. I don't *** about it neither do I use it.

    This leaves us with only one issue: start screen.

    Now the start screen is leaps and bounds ahead of start menu. Yes, it has metro theme…but even if it had Aero theme (bug with live tiles), it'd still be superior to startmenu. Anyways, startscreen does not reduce productivity…in fact, it increases productivity by saving time (one look at start screen to check new mails/msgs/twitter/rss etc and back to work).

    Some people will NEVER like change. That's why people still deliberately use firefox3 or stayed put on windows98 during XP era. People like those can stay behind in windows7 (which is a rock solid OS).

    People who need Win8's new features (like storage space) but want to *** about metro (even though they can just stay in desktop), can install win8 and disable metro using registry hack or 100s of 3rd party customization apps that are to come.

  202. Azul Wizard says:

    I love Windows 8 Preview, I have in installed on my i5 tablet…

    It is awesome…

    BUT I STILL CAN'T FIND UIElement.Effect ANYWHERE!!!!

    Seriously.. Without the 'elegant touch' Metro looks monotone…

    We need more gradients, blurs, glows, reflections and shadows…

    For example, Instead of a grey background behind the tabs in metro ie, why not have a nice-looking transparent gradient (like the one in WMP 11)… Andy why not have shadows in the tiles)?

    Really MSFT… Get better designers… Coders are usually very bad at that….

  203. beta 2 says:

    @ sinofsky

    you must release new beta version for desktop redesigning.

    i think windows 8 is not intelligent to detection and difference between touch screen monitors and common display monitors.

    windows 8 must can be config for tow environments.desktop user do't need for major metro features and vice versa.

    and windows in desktop mode is not mac os or andriod .

  204. Vanilla Magilla says:

    Start button has been there for 17 years, you can't change a long time habit.

    Windows 8 will be a fiasco.

    Or you listen to customers or it will be a total fiasco.

    You didn't listen to customers for the Ribbon in Office 2007 and 2010, no possibility to use the classic menus as well, that was a very bad and stupid and nonsense and wrong move.

    Put back the classic menus in Office, put them back!

    Same will happen with Windows 8.

    I'm disgusted by the Microsoft way of doing things.

  205. Win8 Beta says:

    One thing that irritate me is that the I close the last tab (or sometimes another) it goes to the start screen, then I have to go back it. It gets really annoying after a couple of times.

    (Also, it would be great if I can have change between English and Norwegian spellcheck and not the whole language. Right now I need to change language for special characters, but that is easy with Win + Spacebar)

  206. LM says:

    Do not change much, This consumer preview, It's Almost a wonder, customizing, This start menu is better than Windows 7, you just Have to fix bugs and Implement some small stuff in the whole system, I feel equally comfortable Windows 7, and I Have a desktop PC.

  207. lololol says:

    @lololol

    "You can't please everybody with design."

    Really? You even can  people drive away with design. Microsoft obviously is heading that way.

    "What makes you think people don't like it?"

    Well you said WP is a great OS. But it sells miserably. So obviously people don´t like it.

    "You can think of windows 8 as Windows 7 with performance boost + lots of new features (including storage space, new taskmgr, multimon taskbar etc)"

    This would make Windows 8 a service pack at best. Are you kidding to claim it is not about Metro? Did you realize that they made all this sh*t so it can run on Arm? Windows 8 is about tablets. Microsoft has tried for years to bring Windows to Tablets and the failed. That´s why Metro is in the game. Windows 8 is ONLY about Metro. Do you really believe a ne taskmanager justifies a new version.

    Laughable.

    "startscreen does not reduce productivity…in fact, it increases productivity by saving time (one look at start screen to check new mails/msgs/twitter/rss etc and back to work)."

    Lol. Ever heard of push mail? You believe checking the start screen every 60 seconds benefits productivity? The live tiles are a waste on desktop. The entire start screen is a waste of space for desktop.

    Windows 8 does not improve productivity. In fact it reduces productivity. It has different settings for tablets and desktops sprawled over different places. Metro users get thrown onto desktop and desktop users find themselves in the Metro world suddenly without any warning. People will open Metro Internet Explorer and wonder where their favorites are.

    It is the inconsisty of Metro and desktop tied together that causes complexity and complexity never increases productivity. Ironically the simplification Microsoft forces on their users with Metro reduces productivity additionally to that.

    Mouse traveling has increased due to full screen apps with low information density and useless charms getting in the way all the time.

    The old start menu was much more efficient than the Windows 8 all apps screen.

    Compare for yourself:

    – All apps lists every application in alphabetical order. No nesting, no hierarchical structure. The old start menu had a hierarchial structure.

    – The old start menu was intuitive as you could find an application simply by position in the list, then by reading and finally by its icon. All apps eliminates the muscle memorey as scrolling goes page by page. The position of the application you are looking for can be vertically and horizontally anywhere. So the most efficient way to find an app has been removed. Instead you can either look for the icon or the name of an application. By this you have to know the name or you have to read through any app available. This is substantially slower than making a mouse gesture to hover the mouse near to the target icon. Even typing is no substution to that when you need to switch input devices constantly. I doubt typing is faster for the average user anyway.

    So the productivity gain from this hybrid os is a hoax. When people need to google on how to turn their machine off or to manually create shortcuts to pin them to the taskbar then something is wrong.

  208. lololol says:

    @ @lololol

    "You can't please everybody with design."

    Really? You even can  people drive away with design. Microsoft obviously is heading that way.

    "What makes you think people don't like it?"

    Well you said WP is a great OS. But it sells miserably. So obviously people don´t like it.

    "You can think of windows 8 as Windows 7 with performance boost + lots of new features (including storage space, new taskmgr, multimon taskbar etc)"

    This would make Windows 8 a service pack at best. Are you kidding to claim it is not about Metro? Did you realize that they made all this sh*t so it can run on Arm? Windows 8 is about tablets. Microsoft has tried for years to bring Windows to Tablets and the failed. That´s why Metro is in the game. Windows 8 is ONLY about Metro. Do you really believe a ne taskmanager justifies a new version.

    Laughable.

    "startscreen does not reduce productivity…in fact, it increases productivity by saving time (one look at start screen to check new mails/msgs/twitter/rss etc and back to work)."

    Lol. Ever heard of push mail? You believe checking the start screen every 60 seconds benefits productivity? The live tiles are a waste on desktop. The entire start screen is a waste of space for desktop.

    Windows 8 does not improve productivity. In fact it reduces productivity. It has different settings for tablets and desktops sprawled over different places. Metro users get thrown onto desktop and desktop users find themselves in the Metro world suddenly without any warning. People will open Metro Internet Explorer and wonder where their favorites are.

    It is the inconsisty of Metro and desktop tied together that causes complexity and complexity never increases productivity. Ironically the simplification Microsoft forces on their users with Metro reduces productivity additionally to that.

    Mouse traveling has increased due to full screen apps with low information density and useless charms getting in the way all the time.

    The old start menu was much more efficient than the Windows 8 all apps screen.

    Compare for yourself:

    – All apps lists every application in alphabetical order. No nesting, no hierarchical structure. The old start menu had a hierarchial structure.

    – The old start menu was intuitive as you could find an application simply by position in the list, then by reading and finally by its icon. All apps eliminates the muscle memorey as scrolling goes page by page. The position of the application you are looking for can be vertically and horizontally anywhere. So the most efficient way to find an app has been removed. Instead you can either look for the icon or the name of an application. By this you have to know the name or you have to read through any app available. This is substantially slower than making a mouse gesture to hover the mouse near to the target icon. Even typing is no substution to that when you need to switch input devices constantly. I doubt typing is faster for the average user anyway.

    So the productivity gain from this hybrid os is a hoax. When people need to google on how to turn their machine off or to manually create shortcuts to pin them to the taskbar then something is wrong.

  209. LM says:

    I forgot:

    Now yes, the new "logo" is a joke. Should be replaced, for many reasons.

  210. Correction says:

    @lololol  "Well you said WP is a great OS. But it sells miserably. So obviously people don´t like it."

    Or it's because:

    – They are entering a mature market

    – Consumer word of mouth is already strongly set on iOS and Android

    – Microsoft haven't offered perks, or had much training with store staff yet

    – They have yet to wow, with the highest end devices

    – They haven't really had any unique, well made devices, until the Lumia line, which are only starting to roll out in various countries

    So you can't just assume it's because people don't like it, it's more likely many people don't even know about it.

    The new logo looks fine in context of the metro interface. However I would be interested to see how they could use it elsewhere. So far WIndows 8 videos, website, have not shown it.

  211. Windows7 says:

    For the best web experience, use Windows 7 and Firefox – simples 🙂

  212. Corrector says:

    @lololol "All apps lists every application in alphabetical order. No nesting, no hierarchical structure. The old start menu had a hierarchial structure."

    The All Apps screen actually does show the upper folder, containing the inner shortcuts. So is hierarchical in nature. You must be thinking of the Start Screen instead, which is only for pinning, and organizing manually. They are different things.

    @lololol "Metro users get thrown onto desktop and desktop users find themselves in the Metro world suddenly without any warning."

    Start screen is metro, desktop is desktop, Takes a minute to learn and understand. Maybe some file extensions are set to open in metro. You would know how to set them to always open in desktop applications, right? As a desktop user you can stick with your old control panel and Internet Explorer. Stop being a whiner

  213. lololol says:

    @Correction

    You mean they made the decision to force users to the Metro start screen because they are confident that it is superior to the former start menu? Right. It is the other way around. Metro is a big failure. This is why the force it on all customers. This is the Microsoft way. Where they lack succesful innovation they user their market power.

    If they would be confident, they would let the user choose. And if it is the better, easier and faster, users would use it. But even Microsoft realises that the way it is now it is a step backwards.

    It is ridicolous how Sinofsky stresses the multitasking ability so much while it is simply snapping an app next to the browser. What a revolutionary step for Windows………

  214. lololol says:

    @Corrector

    "The All Apps screen actually does show the upper folder, containing the inner shortcuts. So is hierarchical in nature."

    You are wrong. The start menu could display nested menu items. This is not possible on the All Apps screen. It shows them side by side. So it is NOT hierachical in nature. Also it shows the "upper folders" get displayed in alphabetical order only. The old start menu had the ability to show it the way you wanted it.

    "As a desktop user you can stick with your old control panel and Internet Explorer. "

    No, as Microsoft forces me out of the desktop onto the start screen. And they force the ridiculous charms ontoo the desktop. And the hide settings for desktop application somewhere in there Lala-Metroworld.

    I believe they have been drunk when they made the decision on how to tie Metro and desktop together. It is simply ridicolous. Seperate both worlds, add startup options and settings so a desktop user never needs to travel the Metro world and it would be fine.

    Still Metro as it is not a well thought concept for desktops.

    Stop defending this OS which is a dumb OS that cannot even adapt to the user input device to offer the best input concept. Stop defending this ridicolous start screen which makes obvious in every fact where Metro fails miserably. Stop defending Microsofts decisions to remove efficient and feature rich functions and substitute them with lousy crap with less functions selling it for a "modern" and "fast and fluid" user experience. It simply is not.

  215. lololol says:

    @Corrector

    "The All Apps screen actually does show the upper folder, containing the inner shortcuts. So is hierarchical in nature."

    You are wrong. The start menu could display nested menu items. This is not possible on the All Apps screen. It shows them side by side. So it is NOT hierachical in nature. Also it shows the "upper folders" get displayed in alphabetical order only. The old start menu had the ability to show it the way you wanted it.

    "As a desktop user you can stick with your old control panel and Internet Explorer. "

    No, as Microsoft forces me out of the desktop onto the start screen. And they force the ridiculous charms ontoo the desktop. And the hide settings for desktop application somewhere in there Lala-Metroworld.

    I believe they have been drunk when they made the decision on how to tie Metro and desktop together. It is simply ridicolous. Seperate both worlds, add startup options and settings so a desktop user never needs to travel the Metro world and it would be fine.

    Still Metro as it is not a well thought concept for desktops.

    Stop defending this OS which is a dumb OS that cannot even adapt to the user input device to offer the best input concept. Stop defending this ridicolous start screen which makes obvious in every fact where Metro fails miserably. Stop defending Microsofts decisions to remove efficient and feature rich functions and substitute them with lousy crap with less functions selling it for a "modern" and "fast and fluid" user experience. It simply is not.

  216. Apple Fan says:

    @lololol "If they would be confident, they would let the user choose"

    If they're confident they will stick to their ideas, knowing despite some customers complaints it is the right move for Windows in general.

    Trying to keep every legacy feature into the future is counter productive, confusing for customers, and shows lack of confidence.

    Some people will nitpick no matter what, and aren't open for changes, whether they slow them down or not. Microsoft can't afford to please everyone. nor should they, with a billon plus users it's impossible.

    I personally find as a desktop user it still works, and it's still fast. Yes they could probably do more, to make it even better. But that doesn't mean it's fundamentally wrong, like you think.

    Why tell me to stop defending Windows 8? Am I not allowed an opinion.

    If Microsoft had to annoy a small subset of difficult to please power users, to have a shot in the future of advancing devices, and form factors, So be it. Better now, than later, when MS install base plummets, from advancing devices. You must be an idiot to think something like this would never happen? You know the computer industry is changing, right?

  217. Apple Fan says:

    @fan "plz read:"

    Already have…

    Opinion still same as above

  218. Possible says:

    "Small" Ribbon in Windows Photo Viewer, PLEASE

  219. Possible Windows 8 User says:

    "Small" Ribbon in Windows Photo Viewer, PLEASE

  220. Kramayp says:

    @Apple Fan

    Completely agree with you!

  221. lololol says:

    "Microsoft can't afford to please everyone."

    Microsoft is not interested in pleasing anyone. That´s why they don´t hesitate to shove this sh*t down our throats. But THEY need to realise the world has changed. Apple pleases customer = success. Microsoft does not please customer = failure. It is really simple.

    Heck they weren´t even able to come with a right subset of features for their first Windows Phone OS.

    "Trying to keep every legacy feature into the future is counter productive, confusing for customers, and shows lack of confidence."

    You mean removing the start button and replacing it by a hidden thumbnail is less confusing?

    That´s ridicolous.

  222. I-DotNET says:

    @KramayP: The reason why people love Apple is because they make great products.  The iPhone is a great product.  The iPad is a great product.  Windows 8 is not a great product.  It has numerous usability issues which we brought to Microsoft's attention 6 months ago, and they still refuse to fix them or even acknowledge them.

    @Stephen: Burying your head in the sand is not going to magically make these problems go away.

  223. "Site tiles let you go directly to your sites from the Windows 8 Start screen"

    The World Wide Web is perhaps the greatest random access device yet devised. A web browser is the great application of and interface to that device. Contrast the web browser to Start, a *sequential access* based app! en.wikipedia.org/…/File:Random_vs_sequential_access.svg Lookout 1960s, here we come!

    In spite of all the talk about implementing jump lists in blogs.msdn.com/…/reflecting-on-your-comments-on-the-start-screen.aspx , Start remains a sequential access based app in the Consumer Preview – you cannot jump to one group from another group, via a linking tile. What is the point of groups if they can't be used as navigation targets? The equivalent for folders would be always having to access a folder by traversing from (the root), no matter where you where in the structure. Wouldn't that be fun? At the very least, Start should be able to scroll *both ways* – left or right – from its starting location, so that maximum scrolling distance is halved, as is the proximity of important tiles (as defined by the user, of course). The equivalent to a jump list, in Start, would be a group of tiles that each link to an alternate group. No more scrolling around looking for stuff. Wouldn't that be fun!? However, it's too late for Start bidirectional@home scrolling and jump lists to appear in Windows 8 – the Win7 3 year anniversary is too close, so look forward to these advanced feature in Windows 9, that is, assuming Start screen jumps aren't considered too much like folders, or "rocks to look under when you’re trying to browse to an app".

    "Navigation tiles are designed to help you find and navigate to sites immediately using the site’s icon and color while minimizing your typing. IE shows you frequently visited sites as well as sites that you’ve pinned to the Start screen."

    Given this is pre-IE Metro 1.0, in practical terms, not a bad effort here. Points:

    • Most sites have a white or close to white background. How will this contrast work with the black background you're using here?

    • In regards to background color and maximal battery life, "you can have any color you like, as long as it's black". A good choice in that sense. Now, what about doing the same for the Start screen?

    • Using the site's color for the tile is an interesting idea though, almost in the "why didn't i think of that" class, except that it results in either a high-contrast, white-on-black 'theme', or the colorful toy look of Start. The icon contains the site's color, why not just let the icon do its job and make it a little bigger too?

    • 0-10, what score would you give the Frequent/Pinned view for space efficiency? The tiles are mostly empty.

    • In spite of the poor space efficiency, website names are often truncated. At least not as badly as tabs in IE Desktop or the hideous square tiles in Start, but it still occurs too often. If the algerbraic dimension of square tiles were defined as 2x,2y, then i'd guess a generally adequate touch target size would be approximately 1x,1y. So any non-live tile anywhere in the Metro UI might be better sized using dimensions like 1x,3y, or 1x,4y, rather than 2x,2y or 2x,4y.

    • Calling this app 'Internet Explorer, Metro 1.0' might help with the expectation issues, and 'miscalibrated' application perceptions (not optimized for big screens). In hindsight, being more forthright about WinRT apps in general, being intially targeted towards slates, might have helped a lot too. 🙂

    • What happens if IE 11 or 12 is released in the supported lifetime of Windows 8, and the user decides to do a Refresh on a system with IE 11+ Metro and Desktop versions installed, but IE 10 Desktop is contained within the recovery image? Mismatched Metro/Desktop version! Now substitute any other app for which dual Metro and Desktop versions exist and are installed on a given system. Due to the Refresh task sequence only backing up Metro app install sources, mismatched Metro/Desktop versions are likely to be common. Not good. The underlying problem is not the fault of Refresh – it is due to Windows not caching Desktop app install sources, even though in theory it could. (There is one notable exception; Microsoft Office caches its install sources into MSOCache – Refresh unfortunately ignores this in its backup task).

    "As you type in the address bar, the navigation tiles filter to show you sites from your history, favorites and even popular URLs."

    Good, but there is something about this that adds to the inconsistencies within the Metro UI; why does typing into the IE Metro address bar return results in tiles view, whereas typing into the Metro search bar returns results in (large) list view? Why not tiles in both contexts, or both in list view, or the converse of the current situation? The same point for Start versus Search Apps/Setting/Files; why is Start in tiles view, but Search in list view? A good case could be made for displaying search results in tiles view, and having Start in list view (more like the Start Menu). In the first case, why should search-oriented users miss out on live data, just because they have an (understandable) preference for search over scrolling? In the second, location via scrolling would potentially be faster with the more compact list view, there are fewer distracting elements on the way, and interpreting many unsorted tiles gets harder when they are displaying data, rather than pure recognition elements. These design choices become even harder to understand when considering that apps, settings and files results are each displayed seperately – so there is no necessity in displaying files and settings results in an inappropriate format, simply to match apps results (in tiles view). To summarize:

    • How much importance has been placed on live tiles in Windows 8? Very much.

    • How much work and emphasis has been placed on search in Windows 8? Very much.

    • How many live tiles are displayed in Metro Search results? Zero.

    Kudos to the Metro IE team for not making this mistake.

  224. temo says:

    PLEASE improve the tracking protection engine in IE Metro and Desktop to support adblock plus filter

  225. temo says:

    that's all i'm asking. I didn't understand why you decide to write your own tpl format whereas there is a great community about adblock plus filter. Please support them. adblocking is good but you need also element hiding!

  226. Chris says:

    Please get a life you guys and stop making Windows look like my game boy.

  227. Chris says:

    I am an advanced pc user and i think there should be an option to revert back to Windows 7 start menu for people like me and give the metro interface to noobs.

  228. Sorry, i meant to say:

    "So any non-live tile anywhere in the Metro UI might be better sized using dimensions like 3x,1y, or 4x,1y, rather than 2x,2y or 4x,2y."

    That's what happens when posting after midnight with heavy eyelids 🙂

  229. Using the Metro based IE very often (since Developer Preview) on a tablet and touchscreen based computer made me realize that the hidden tabs approach used by the Metro IE may prove challenging even for long-time users.

    The opening of a new tab, when performed by IE because the HTML says so, is almost unoticeable. Even as an advanced user, I often discover that my browsing session has many opened tabs when I actually tought my session happened within the same one. The situation creates an unecessary pressure on the system memory and has a somewhat negative impact on further computing sessions since the Metro IE seems to keep a list of opened tabs between sessions.

    It appears to me that an improvement in this area would be desirable and that many options are available. For example:

    – A more evident visual indication could be used to signal the opening of a new tab.

    – A tab area could be displayed in order to let users visually identifiy the number and the opening of new tabs.

  230. METRORGASM says:

    Hey kids you what time it is?

    Time for MEEETROOOOO

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

  231. Space Art says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

    METROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO METROOOOOOOOOOO

  232. Pol says:

    Quienes se dispongan a discutir el absurdo terminaran construyendo argumentos absurdos, y terminaran con tesis absurdas que demostraran que lo absurdo es más absurdo aun.

    Just forget about the Metro Madness and laugh harder at the absurd.

  233. THE POOOWER USERS ARGUMENT says:

    Haha hey kids, what is a POOOOWER USER…? Do you have super powers? Super human skills? haha that's sad.

  234. Google user says:

    99% of the peopleuse IE just to download Google Chrome.

  235. A Scroller says:

    Why is there no drag to scroll with the mouse in Metro IE?  Users can already drag to scroll with the finger, why not the mouse too?

  236. NoThanks says:

    So because a lot of users use their applications maximized, Microsoft decided to make the new Windows paradigm running only maximized on the desktop, i.e. Metro, great thought process.

    Then Steven is coming out with statements that they improved the desktop along the way. If that was the case why you have hidden the start button and make every effort to force people using the brainless Metro UI on the desktop?

    Because you know that most of the people won’t move to the metro unless you destroy the desktop experience. Because you know that you have made a UI for simpletons and unless you force people to use it they will ignore it. Because you know that if people do not use it on the desktop you will get less apps developed for your app store.

    Because you are trying to leverage your desktop dominance to regain some of the tablet market you have lost long time ago and you do not mind destroying the desktop in the way. I personally do not want to have to put up with your cr_py UI just so you get back a piece of the mobile pie. Go Metro yourselves.

  237. TS says:

    So the question is, why not create a store to Desktop apps?

  238. Expert User says:

    When you Search a File from Metro Search Charm, for example *.jpg, you hover over the results with the mouse and a description appears, how can you see the enhanced description with touch? Hovering a finger over the results without tapping on them?

  239. Paul from Italy says:

    Did you all notice that Steven stopped answering since you started flaming and insulting each other like children?

    I like all the work they've been doing and even if I didn't, I wouldn't start a flame war but I'd express my opinions politely. Please do the same.

  240. Why a Windows like this? says:

    @Paul from Italy

    It's Microsoft's fault, they create a crappy operating system and don't listen to consumers, same thing they did with Office since version 2007…

    Steve Ballmer doesn't use Windows Calculator, he says 1+1 = 3. Or there's a big bug in Windows Calculator, or in his brain O_O

    Why a Windows like this? If Beta is similar to RTM, I foresee a big failure for Windows 8.

  241. Vincent says:

    In IE10 Metro, how do I switch tab with mouse on a site that has override right click, like dropbox.com? I can do with keyboard, but I usually browse with mouse only..

  242. Windows7 says:

    "How do you hover over with your finger, on a touch device".

    pmsl, that is just priceless. I think that just about sums up this whole debacle of so-called "Windows 8".

  243. Charms Charms Charms says:

    @Vincent

    "how do I switch tab with mouse on a site that has override right click, like dropbox.com?"

    Steve & Steve: "Who needs Dropbox? Go to our fast and fluid Skydrive."

  244. Mark says:

    In the FAQ it states "Internet Explorer 10 provides an “add-on free” experience. It supports HTML 5 for video content, but you can't install toolbars and add-ons in Internet Explorer 10." I am worried that protection add-ons such as my Browser Defender are no longer supported. Is Microsoft stating that their Metro browser is so secure that nothing more is needed?

  245. Fast Fast Fast & Fluid Fluid Fluid says:

    Nobody need this Metro crap, no charms, no apps, no IE10 fullscreen, nothing.

  246. Fast & Fluid says:

    Sinofsky love fast & fluid, inmersive comments. Oh Yeah….  

  247. temo says:

    @prettysure

    Microsoft is monitoring all answers but seriously they don't need to reply to stupid people always complaining the change instead of advising what needs to be improved.

    windows 8 is a good move, take some time to learn it! you won't be disappointed

    Then give your feedbacks

  248. Fast & Fluid says:

    Sinofsky love fast & fluid, inmersive comments. Oh Yeah….  

  249. pmbAustin says:

    I completely agree with @TheCyberKnight, re: Tabs and visual cues.

    In fact, a lot of visual cues are just missing form all over the OS.  But opening a new tab should have some obvious visual indication that this is happening (vs. opening a new page in the same tab).  Some sort of animation, which also lets you know about the other tabs you have open.  And navigating between tabs needs to be easier, especially with the mouse/keyboard.  

    IE10 Metro also desperately needs a way to view favorites (and just dump the 'pinned sites' display, that's utterly useless, while "favorites" is utterly critical!), as well as "add current site to favorites"…. which Desktop can see as well.  They need to share favorites completely.

    And another Win8 quirk that I'm finding very frustrating with the mouse.  When you have multiple Metro apps open, mousing to upper right corner gives you a thumbnail of the "previous" app, and dragging down will show the list of all previous apps plus the start screen thumbnail.  But if this is the first app you've launched, when you mouse up there, NOTHING HAPPENS.  It makes the OS seem inconsistent at best, and broken at worst.  If there *is* no other app to go back to, it should show the start screen thumbnail here, just so there's a consistent way of flipping back and forth.  I find it maddening when I start using Win8, and mouse up there, and nothing happens… no visual or any other indicator of what's going on, what's wrong, why nothing is happening, etc.  And that's true throughout the OS, to be honest… an utter lack of "discoverability", visual cues, visual indicators, etc.

  250. METROOOO says:

    @Temo

    "windows 8 is a good move, take some time to learn it! you won't be disappointed"

    Another METROOORGASM …. TIMEEE TO MEEETROOO

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

  251. Windows Windows Windows says:

    I wonder if Sinofsky & Ballmer have an fast & fluid, inmersive relationship.

  252. Windows 8 Dead or Alive? says:

    Come on Ballmer & Sinofsky DANCE DANCE DANCE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

  253. TS says:

    What's is this? Are you a child? Why are you ranting so much? I dont like lots of things Windows 8 have, but please dont destroy this blog with childish posts…

  254. Anon says:

    @TS

    I'm just having an Inmersive, fast & fluid Metrorgasm.

  255. I-DotNET says:

    @Microsoft:

    This is what the press are saying about the new iPad:

    New iPad Reviews: Critics are Raving

    "Reviews are in for Apple’s new iPad, and critics agree that a high-resolution display, a better camera, 4G LTE connectivity and bumped-up specs help the iPad maintain the title of the best tablet on the market."

    http://www.pcworld.com/…/new_ipad_reviews_critics_are_raving.html

    This is what the are saying about Windows 8:

    "The widget layer drastically interferes with the daily workflow of a user and his or her Windows applications. Familiar parts of Windows have been stripped out or hidden, replaced with non-functional equivalents, or not replaced at all. The replacement for the Start Menu (for example) ejects you into this immature and non-functional fullscreen widget layer. And then, because it can't do very much, in the next moment, you're back again. This goes on all day – until you turn the computer off.

    "It's a rather an elaborate kind of torture."

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/…/the_charge_of_the_metro_brigade

    It's time to deal with reality:  Windows 8 is broken.  It needs to be fixed, sooner than later.  You're losing to Apple in a big way, and pretending there's nothing wrong isn't going to help you.

  256. @ Sinofsky all posts in the last blogs are really clear that Windows 8 as it is(metro crap) is o big disaster and flop for you MS guys.

    Bring the touch experience on a non touch device???? are you drunk?

    Know what, old start menu, CP build 8250 without metro crap(:puke:) means the best OS ever:

    Hybrid boot

    Iso mounting

    Pdf reader

    ribbon explorer

    new data transfer interface(Same PC, same HD, fastest transfer speed :-)))))))) )

    new aero basic theme (i'm Aero Lover)

    New task manager

    Snap function for non metro apps(has to WORK on res 1280×800 WTF, the common resolution for major notebooks)

    This can be called Service Pack 2 for windows 7, GREAT SUCCESS!!!!!

    Windows 8 only for tablets and slates(small market place, big fight with good competitors(Android 4, Apple IOS),

    Maybe you get some good feedbacks there….

    Explorer 10 in metro???

    No comments with mouse and keyboard at all, non productive, ugly and your eyes are going to blow!!!

    Just a suggestion, but don't care, continue ignoring US, all web blogs are just laughing at 8, being disappointed and sadly think about new Vista era….

    Remember buying a new PC downgrading to XP?

    We are going to see new computers downgraded to 7, especially all business machine…..

    have a though, and please respond to us and stop posting blogs with no sense, when you have TONS of negative feedbacks!!!!!!!

  257. Commentator says:

    @"I-DotNET"

    Who is "Stephen," and are you really I-DotNET?

  258. I-DotNET says:

    @Anon:

    Steven Sinofsky, the President of the Windows Division at Microsoft.  Oh, I see that he spells his first name with a 'v'.  My apologies, Steven.

    I'm a software developer. I've been using .NET since 2001 and have used that name for years.

  259. Pol says:

    @_alex74

    He cannot see that, he’s just focused on the Windows 8 hedonism, that’s one of the biggest problem, why should I need to use my desktop Pc as a big mobile device.

  260. Bhairav Pardiwala says:

    @Steven Sinofsky

    just asking

    where do all these statistics come from?

    1)A Seperate random picked group of people (aka sampling)

    2)From everybody

    forgive me for asking but i have data mining as a subject and i was just kindoff blown off  thinking about how microsoft can sample all this data (mustve taken months).

    ps could you reveal what size the database has taken to store all this data

    thnking filesize is either in gb's or tb's

  261. Azul Wizard says:

    I just have another observation…

    Organize the tiles on the start screen is hard since they move around in an unpredictable way….

    I spent almost an hour and finally gave up.

    I hope you come out with a better way to do it for RTM.  

    But seriously, I almost punched a hole into my tablet out of frustration…

    Also, bring back UIElement.Effect

    social.msdn.microsoft.com/…/3748eea2-6fc1-4cdb-b4b6-3553572edf6b

  262. Commentator says:

    @I-DotNET

    Notice that here, the name is spelled correctly.

    social.msdn.microsoft.com/…/276fe784-c875-4f63-bc76-f7b7654fe4b8

    Is this a coincidence that you are using the same name as the person in the post I linked to?

  263. jjking says:

    @Steven Sinofsky

    the nagging notifications in windows 8 is still an issue. Both in metro and aero. For instance you get a notification and sound whenever you install or update an app (Why ca't it be like wp7 ? ).  I was notified to install flash more then 5x when I opened the desktop IE  even though I had no intention of playing flash videos.  Please do something about it.

  264. METROO METROO says:

    THE WINDOWS METRO UI MADNESS

    273 comments and Sinofsky still avoiding the complains.

  265. Question says:

    Why not make an Aero Windows phone instead of a Metro Windows???

  266. Win Madness says:

    i like the idea of windows internet explorer 10 but will be somewhat available to other windows platforms? and i do have windows 8 but the internet explorer 10 does not open….how can i fix that?

  267. Pol says:

    @Question

    That would be great, I think one of the mistakes here is the fact that they choose the "metro" pseudo-Swiss modern design, to move ahead, I know a lot about the Swiss Design movement, and trust me, Windows 8 have nothing about Swiss design.

    However, the Aero look was great and still being great, maybe if they choose to work with Aero it would be a better Windows. With all the Metro Madness they also destroy a great logo, and ironically by Paula Scher who doesn’t have ANYTHING about Swiss Design on her work.

    I prefer to see the classic logo again, and more attention to the Aero styles.

    People don’t need a huge start screen, people need simplicity and attention, not attention to Metro UI, but attention to the Aero look, the Windows, the buttons, the icons, etc.

    Common people just appreciate the “look” and trust me, Metro look is ugly. Just learn from some guys at Deviantart or Pixelf*ckers, they made nice & clean visual styles. My opinion is forget about the Metro Ui Madness and put more attention on what you had on Windows 7 and make it better.

  268. @Steven Sinofsky

    "Speaking of kludgy, focusing your attention on a single touch-based app, full-screen, works fine on tablets and while playing casual games like Cut the Rope, but it's annoying if you're trying to use the system as a desktop PC. The simple act of browsing several websites simultaneously and copying and pasting info among different screens takes more steps than necessary. To access the tabs toolbar, you need to drag down the top edge of the screen, which is frustratingly slow compared to clicking a horizontal row of tabs as on other browsers. Granted, you can put the system into desktop mode and use a regular browser like Google Chrome, but that's not optimal for touch."

  269. Azul Wizard says:

    @Pol

    For once, I agree with you.

    Metro looks kind of ugly… Too few colors…

    You could have done what Apple did: make iOS based on OSX for the iPhone and then port it to tablets.

    We would have windows phones and tablets that would resemble Windows, no PC's that resemble Windows Phone.

    Once OS to rule them all is a very risky move…

    Android = Phones + Tablets

    iOS = Phones + Tablets

    Linux = Server + PCs

    OSX = Servers + PCs

    Windows = ??????

    BRING BACK UIElemnt.Effect!

  270. Pol says:

    For instance, they choose to put a big screen that totally opaque the Desktop, that’s a visual insult, what is wrong with a simple menu? Their telemetry data suggest something vague, that people don’t use that much the start menu, and that’s wrong, I like to see the most used programs there, is easy to me to access so it’s not necessary to have a cluttered taskbar, I just left 2 programs pinned in my taskbar, Chrome & Zune Player. That’s it, I don’t need to put icons on my desk I mostly use my desk… well like a desk! When I need to work with something or to move things to different folders I use the desk to have a better visually reference on what I’m going to do.

    I put new folders there, new music etc, to reorder later, like a real desktop, I put the things, I work with those folders and archives, then I reorder everything.

    So one of the biggest problems about the Metro UI is the feeling of having another Os inside the PC almost feels like a Virus, visually I hate it, is not functional, I know about the search on Metro, the IE (that sucks), the apps, I just don’t get it, why do I need all that crap. Some features are nice but why doing all that separated from the desktop. Windows 8 is just Windows Vista 2 or worst.

  271. Guillaume Soucy says:

    Look like nobody working for Microsoft know if SkyDrive app can be installed on a machine running Windows Xp…

  272. Azul Wizard says:

    @Guillaume Soucy

    use the web interface or upgrade.

    remember that XP is in extended support which means no new features.

  273. JGodo says:

    @Pol,

    Déjame decirte que eres un pelín pesado. Creo que ya se ha enterado todo el mundo ( incluido Steven ) de tu postura. Habrá quienes la compartan, quienes no la compartan o quienes la compartan a medias. Pero de verdad, déjalo ya. Lo único que vas a lograr es que cierren los comentarios del blog y que la opinión de mucha más gente no sea tenida en cuenta. La tuya ya está más que clara.

    Saludos.

  274. JGodo says:

    @Pol,

    Déjame decirte que eres un pelín pesado. Creo que ya se ha enterado todo el mundo ( incluido Steven ) de tu postura. Habrá quienes la compartan, quienes no la compartan o quienes la compartan a medias. Pero de verdad, déjalo ya. Lo único que vas a lograr es que cierren los comentarios del blog y que la opinión de mucha más gente no sea tenida en cuenta. La tuya ya está más que clara.

    Saludos.

  275. Pol says:

    @Azul Wizard

    I mean look at this combinations of colors here at http://kuler.adobe.com/  Color combinations made by professionals that looks great, imagine the possibility to change between 10 colors combinations or 15, on the other hand you have Aero, what feels more sophisticated? Plain combinations of colors on a big screen? Or the feeling of the glass and imagine this, I saw this logo treatment fondos.portalgeek.org/…/blue-dark-metro-ui-windows-8_1280x1024.jpg and it looks great! Simple clean, imagine that as a secondary logo, with the original with colors, imagine the start button with that logo in blank and when you press the button or hover, it shows you the colors.

  276. Azul Wizard says:

    @Pol

    I agree… I just can hope this Consumer Preview is still work in progress and not the real deal…

    I don't see myself using a Mac..

  277. The more I attempt to use Window 8 the more I am realizing that it has very little relevance for the desktop user. I am still struggling to find anything to warrants me upgrading from windows 7 and certainly cant see the point in the corporate environment. If you spend the majority of your time working in the desktop environment then what is the point of upgrading especially if Microsoft charge normal upgrade prices. When heavy duty apps like office, visual studio, Photoshop etc have metro apps and metro itself matures beyond its full screen fixation then it maybe worth upgrading but this, if it does happen, isn't going to happen for at least 18 months and I am certainly not going to replace 2 perfectly good non touch 24" monitors. I don't buy new PC's I simply replace CPU/motherboard every 18 months so avoiding windows 8 wont be an issue.

  278. Pol says:

    @JGodo

    Y quien tomara en cuenta tu opinión?, yo quiero que la de todos sea tomada en cuenta, no creo que sea pesado, el único pesado aquí es Ballmer literalmente, si te fijas en su actitud y como maneja las cosas te darás cuenta de quién es el pesado, yo solo sirvo de demostración de la estupidez que todo el equipo de Windows está teniendo, no soy el único “pesado”, si te fijas hay muchos otros comentarios más nocivos. El mismo descaro de esta gente es lo que me asquea, en vez de responder tajantemente las preguntas solo siguen mostrando más de lo absurdo. No he visto ningún comentario que sea tomado en cuenta en cuanto a las quejas que la mayoría tiene. Me da igual lo que la gente o Sinofsky piensen de “mi” solo soy un anónimo.

    Tus opiniones son muy parecidas a las mías, y comparto mucha de las ideas que has expuesto, solo que tenemos diferente manera de decirlas, saludos.

  279. OP says:

    @Pol

    >solo soy un anónimo.

    >>>/g/

  280. Pol says:

    No temo a ser “baneado”, Windows 8 será mejor por eso? No lo creo.

  281. And why the metro crap start screen cover taskbar(where are all the info you need, programs opened time, battery asf at a glance)?

    The desktop experience is gone????

    7:

    you can have explorer in full screen mode, another app(excel for example resized) at the same time you can push orb and select new program…

    8:

    Wtf, you can snap(1280×800 not working????) two windows(one has to be metro crap app), but where the heck is start orb…. ups forgotten, Microsoft removed, yep with a 32" 1920×1080 is easy to find with the mouse choosing right position ?????? no problem, found but, how is productive a start screen, with full colored lego tiles that covers completely desktop and taskbar??? colored background not even blurred aero…..

    My eyes are flashing and my head blowing watching blue, green, orange, and even a few other colors….. a 3 years old dude knows better how to make colors elegant, not making you mad and killing your eyes….!!!

    This is metro experience????

    Aero msstyle it is far far far more better

    Thanks Microsoft, Win 3.11 it was better designed with colors……

    SUGGESTION: Start menu has to be fully customizable with the option to have aero for background and tiles(someone has already done, messing completely regedit), and absolutely has NOT TO COVER TASKBAR, are we talking about windows or what??

  282. TIM says:

    "IE10 designed for a Metro style experience is a new and improved way of browsing"

    yeah, yeah. Say harder. Maybe i believe it.

    "where you can truly focus on the information you want to browse rather than the task of browsing"

    This is talky talky talk. No one believes this, only MS people. Focus on the task of browsing? WTF does this mean? Does anyone ever need to focus on the task of browsing? I have to focus on a new way browser with IE Metro with mouse. To focus how many tabs i have, what url i am. right-click, etc…  

    "While building and tuning the Metro style browsing experience for the Consumer Preview, we realized it is a better way to browse – whether on a desktop computer with a big screen, mouse and keyboard, or on a touch-enabled mobile device. As people browse more “chromelessly” on their phones, they’ve become accustomed to a more immersive and less manual browsing experience compared with the desktop. Metro style browsing offers you a full-screen, immersive site experience. With IE and Windows 8 you can always use the charms to accomplish what you want to do next with a website (e.g. share, print, search…). We’ve found that many people – even those with the most enthusiastic and intense browsing patterns – prefer Metro style browsing because it’s less manual and more focused on what you browse than on how you browse."

    This is such, such, such a BS. I mean so big BS… Do you think we eat such crap? We digest it with pleasure?

    Look at this gems:

    "better way to browse"

    "whether on a desktop computer with a big screen"

    "As people browse more “chromelessly” on their phones, they’ve become accustomed to a more immersive and less manual browsing experience compared with the desktop."

    "We’ve found that many people – even those with the most enthusiastic and intense browsing patterns – prefer Metro style browsing because it’s less manual and more focused on what you browse than on how you browse."

    WOW. Amazing. How does it work? How can human rationale people write such crap? I mean really?

    "As people browse more “chromelessly” on their phones, they’ve become accustomed to a more immersive and less manual browsing experience compared with the desktop." – This is a gem… A golden one.

    Oh boy 🙁 Windows 8 will be such a disaster on Desktop. I dont understand what's happening inside MS. Does anyone has a sane mind?

    Is this a way to take down Ballmer? So the next CEO can step in?

  283. Is there a Plan B if Windows 8's Metro fails? says:

    http://www.zdnet.com/…/20104

  284. Is there a Plan B if Windows 8's Metro fails?

    It's either called Windows 7 or Mountain Lion depending on one's preferences.

    Based on 1) Windows 7 works great though it could use some service pack modernization, 2) Mountain Lion is reported to be an improvement over the not-as-good-as-Snow-Leopard Lion, and 3) the powers that be at Microsoft are totally clueless on the several reasons why people buy Apple products.

  285. Keith Hill says:

    It would be nice to have some more consistency when it comes to the Windows 8 Metro UI like we have on Windows Phone.  For instance the bar at the bottom is always an "app bar" on Windows Phone.  On Windows 8, most of the time it is an "app bar" but for some reason in this app it is "navigation bar" – why?  

    I also agree with the sentiment that I don't want to always pin to the start screen.  I can see doing that with certain popular sites (like this one) but I run across a **lot** of things that I just want to squirrel away to read at some later point in time.  I really don't want to litter my start screen with these links.

    Why does the IE specific settings UI look so different than the standard settings UI?  It doesn't look very nice and is jarring compared with the settings UI you see up to that point.

    BTW I *applaud* the team for supporting the back button on my mouse.  I wish all Metro apps that have back buttons would support the back button on the mouse.

    Finally, why doesn't metro IE have a feedback button like the other built-in metro apps?

  286. Suggestion off topic. I noticed that, when Windows 8 does a maintenance, the Maintenance center icon in the Notification area gets a black clock to show that maintenance is running. Could you please alterate the Maintenance center icon in some similar way to indicate when File History is running? Thanks.

  287. JGodo says:

    Problem:

    I unpined IE10 tile from start menu and installed desktop Chrome and set it as default browser. After reading this post I wanted to try to pin websites to start menu, but It seems there is no way to do it from desktop IE10, ( and it should be! ). So I went to "all apps" to pin again the IE10 tile. But now the IE10 tile always send me to desktop IE10 and I can´t open metro IE10 anymore, or I can´t find how to do it.

    I think desktop IE10 and metro IE10 should have differents tiles as they are different apps. The shared tile has no sense at all and is not working well. Desktop IE10 tile should be as any other desktop app tile ( ugly ).

    Anyway I think new coded win32 apps should have a way to set icon as well as nice tiles with notifications as any metro app. This kind of decisions ( ugly tiles for desktop ) are the ones that make us feel desktop is a second cityzen in win8 and create this bad mood about metro. I remember that you explain in other post that your decision about ugly tiles for desktop apps was to avoid confusion. I think that when you install an app, you know if that app is from the store (metro) or from any other source (desktop). There is no confusion here for power users, and basic consumer users are only to install apps from store. If you really want we desktop users accept metro to work as the new start menu you should work with desktop as a first cityzen as you do with metro.

    Also I have noted that win8 freezes completely when you press printscr. That´s not happen in win7 and it feels very badly.

  288. Testing says:

    It would be nice if when using mouse and keyboard, IE Metro supported peeking at page thumbnails, before clicking.

    So user doesn't have to instantly commit to a tab, and thus dismiss page switcher.

  289. Win32 says:

    Make a better Win32 API instead, no WinRT, or at least no inmersive apps, work with aero msstyles, and desktop apps.

  290. JGodo says:

    You should alow live to store a big resolution image for users. When you set your live accont to work with win8 the low resolution windows live user image looks very blur and ugly when displayed in the big size lock user image in win8.

  291. JGodo says:

    You should alow live to store a big resolution image for users. When you set your live accont to work with win8 the low resolution windows live user image looks very blur and ugly when displayed in the big size lock user image in win8.

    About desktop tiles, if you are not going to allow developers to build custom ones, at least please set the icon in the top of the tile and name below, like normal icons in desktop, and please, remove that extremely ugly gradient and make it totally flat like any other metro tile. this way desktop tiles will look and fit a lot betther.

  292. JGodo says:

    Also, Have you any plan to bring to webGL support to IE10, or at least build some other "standard" like webDX to support hardware accelerated 3D on the web?

  293. Win32 says:

    I think windows team should make a better work trying to make better Win Api's and to left intact the Metro UI for Tablets.

  294. DMack says:

    A security issue exists in the IE full screen mode browsing for metro in that a specially crafted website can emulate the look and feel of the windows 8 UI, the start screen, or any metro app.. This creates  the opportunity for a user to be tricked into entering personal/private information to the malicious website.

    The way i suggest you fix this security issue is to allow windowed metro apps. This way the user will clearly see that they are  on a website.

  295. Can someone from Microsoft please comment on why there is no Pixel Shader support for non-DirectX Metro Style Applications?

    Also what is XNA's fate?

    Thank you.

  296. hamakaze says:

    Is the article out of the previous comments….

    performance is to focus on >>

    I think it's a good effort. People expecting the OS as possible reduces memory consumption stable, light out, it will be surely a lot. It is from Microsoft to the other software manufacturers can say, of course, this is, I want good luck.

    Also firmly cooperate firmly and general users to PC makers and software & hardware developers, and I hope is ever good OS Windows 8. Are new I want to thank you for good luck is not succumb to it many still criticism likely,.

  297. Pax says:

    Not being able to see the addressbar is an open invitation to phishing attacks!!!

    This means, that the user must manually remember to right-click to see the addressbar before entering sensitive data in a form.

    How many Average Joe's are gonna do that? Or even experienced user for that matter…

  298. I cannot read the comments in Internet Explorer 10 (desktop) in Windows 8 Consumer Preview by default. I need to change to “Internet Explorer 8 Document Mode” to read the comments.

  299. av says:

    Well it seems that windows 8 will be really great for tablets but irrelevant for laptops/desktops or for the enterprise. After using the CP for a week the disconnection between the desktop world and the start menu / metro world is annoying to say the least.  And using the new start, charms etc without touch …. nightmare.

  300. dmitriy.shivtsov says:

    Your are awesome!

    Already on tenterhook! W8ting for 8!

  301. TS says:

    Suggestion for IE10 Metro.

    On IE10 Metro, when no focus on any Input Text, when you start typing on keyboard, it should start writing in URL. Similar to start screen when you start typing.

  302. Bull Gatez says:

    Same interface on: Windows Phones, XBox 360 and the next Xbox, Windows.

    1) Windows Phones will never spread like the iPhone. Windows phones maybe are the best for Metro style interface, just them but few people will have one of them, especially outside the USA.

    2) Xbox 360 interfaces suck, old or new, they both suck. PS3 interface is better.

    3) Windows 8 only on tablets, maybe, but iPads are strong.

    Idea is good in theory, but won't work in practice. I don't care having an Xbox or a Windows Phone, so this breaks the chain. Period. I prefer a PlayStation 3 or another phone, not necessarily an iPhone, anyway. I prefer Mac and probably if they won't cost much, a tablet with Windows 8 only for the advantage of the Ethernet connectivity, not for Windows 8 itself. Too bad iOS is designed for Wi-Fi and 3G or 4G connections only and is not a full OS X experience.

  303. Kramayp says:

    The only major complain I have right now is that there isn't a power menu on the start screen. This problem can be easily solved by adding a power menu (similar to the one you have in the settings menu) right beside the user tile on the start screen. That would fix my major complaint. All the other complains I have are within different apps but since they are also in preview, I'm not gonna comment on those.

    Otherwise, great job Microsoft team!

  304. Mark says:

    After using IE10 for awhile now (On the desktop) I have some comments. I believe I am being objective about this, neither a blinded fanboy nor luddite.

    Goods:

    I really like how fast the Metro IE10 is. It seems to respond so much better than previous browsers.

    The chromeless view has grown on me. I never used F11 on my old IE9 mostly because I feel that I need to tab around to other apps but in practice I rarely do and I might give it a try.

    Bads:

    The backup ability is dreadful. I am assuming that this is much better on a touch, but I don't understand why the mouse cannot emulate the touch and a sweep makes you back up a page. Swirling around on the left side of the screen and waiting for the little arrow area to appear seems really dumb. Then if you have to do it again, the arrow won't appear under your mouse, you have to move around again to make it appear. That really needs to be fixed.

    My larger critism would apply to touch screens as well, that is that the backup only handles one page at a time. I am assuming on a touch the back-sweep happens so fast that if you need to go back 10 pages it is not a problem, but I find I typically go several pages into a site and then want to back up all the way out. Hitting the back arrow one at a time is really cumbersome.

    Observations:

    I feel there needs to be better on-screen feedback when in a SSL encrypted page. Currently the only way to find out if the page is secure is to open the url bar and see if the lock icon is there. Something like a flashing icon or colored border or some indication that the page is secure that is *easily* visible really should be a priority.

    The "Pinned" versus "Favorites" thing is really confusing. When I want to save a link I only have one option: "Pin to Start Menu" which places it on both the "pinned sites" list and the start menu. I have yet to find a way to pin something that doesn't appear on the start menu. If its possible it needs to be much more easy to find.

    The addons issue could use some serious thought. I understand the motive behind it, however right now I find browsing fairly useless as most of the sites I use require some kind of addon. iPads don't have builtin support for Flash but allow some kind of addon because of the four people I know who have iPads, they all say the first thing they did was to download the app that lets them watch Flash. perhaps a similar Metro app will appear, I don't know.

    I am guessing the official answer will be "if you need an addon then switch to the desktop mode" which is a legitimate response (though I doubt a small-screen touch tablet user would be happy with desktop IE10) but if that is the case I think that there needs to be a tighter integration between them, both in favorites and in switching. Some kind of popup that says "This page requires the use of an add-on, would you like to switch to desktop mode?" would help a lot.

    I hope this feedback is useful.

    Mark

  305. GamersMagFrance says:

    Very impressed, hope to try it one day but i should use to try it because it seems to be complex at the beginning

  306. GamersMagFrance says:

    Very impressed, hope to try it one day but i should use to try it because it seems to be complex at the beginning

  307. Ramesh says:

    Good work. Please continue adding support for other missout HTML 5 features, hence make IE 10 on par with Chrome and Firefox.  

  308. Stefan says:

    money.cnn.com/…/windows-8

    Payed by Microsoft…..

  309. Paul says:

    I like IE10 nice and fast! Good job Microsoft, however please bring back favourites to the Metro IE.

  310. Steven Sinofsky

    I wonder when will you address the fact that the vast majority of users dislike or plainly put hate the MetoUI on desktop. Are you building a great product here or you just thought "lets screw them all"

    The MetroUI was probably designed by a bunch of 5 year old. Please make a list of popular software that use brightly colored rectangles  as main design element. I bet you will have a very very short list. And there is a reason why is that. Its ugly, people dont like it.

  311. Martin2 says:

    Hi,

    I am reading this whole blog since it has been set up. And I haven been very enthusiastic about all the new features and improvements and the way of communication Microsoft/user. Until, well, until I installed the CP. Since then I have mixed feelings about the whole story.

    Anyway, this is IE Metro topic, so I try stay on topic.

    IE10 is fast, its very compliant to web standard and as far as I read more secure than the predecessors.

    well done IE Team!

    Ok, I understand that METRO IE is mainly for tablets and not supposed to be a replacement for desktop browser.

    But as a matter of fact it is there on my computer and it pops up every now and again. And I give it a try every now and again. and I switch back to desktop browser not now and again, but most of the time.

    With a little effort (in comparison to making it fast, secure and standard compliant) it could be more useful for

    mouse users and/or users with large screens.

    You treat touch based entry as an unique input method – that's great. And it is working obviously very well.

    But why don't you treat mouse as an unique input method as well?

    Things that should be avoided: 1. Long mouse moves,  2. unnecessary clicks, 3. tiny 1 pixel targets,  4. functionality that needs keyboard (when not necessary)

    Some suggestions (most of them are written down in this blog already I guess. Anyway…):

    1.) Please put the main navigation icons in the context popup (back, forward, refresh and close).

    so I don't have to travel to either edges of my screen. Maybe – customizable – some other buttons or functions.

    2.) Back and forward button on opposite sides of the screen? This is very much mouse movement.

    Please group them side by side. Or implement these buttons in the context menu (see 1.)

    3.) Tabs bar: I would prefer just moving to top of screen to show tabs instead of right clicking

    4.) optional: depending on the screen size always show the tabs.

    5.) For large screens the tabs are to big. on my 24" each tab has almost 5".

    A little larger an I don't even have to open the tab to read the content.  

    6.) Charms: I have a lot of hassle to open this all the time (ok that is not an IE10 issue).

    There should be a "pin" icon so it does not automatically hide while I am in METRO. If I click the "pin" again it will hide again.

    7.) In general I like the idea of semantic zoom. But I need keyboard AND mouse to do so. Alternatively: hold down right mouse button and use scroll wheel.

    If this is to complicate for some people they still could press Control key.

    8.) For most people neither approach would be useful because they don't use combinations at all. Therefore they will never use semantic zoom in Metro which is a pity.

    So there should be some sort of button or hint somewhere in the UI or any other obvious way.

    9.) Mouse gestures: You have gestures for touch but not for mouse. Opera has mouse gestures for years and this works really good (if you have enabled this).

    10.) pinning sites, favorites:

    I don't really want to pin all my favorites to the startpage. Maybe some.

    Pinning to start should be optional. Pinning to the "new tab" page should be the default.

    (It would be nice to change the tile image of the tiles in general – also in start)

    There is no way to organize the "new tab page". It slips away when clicking the (metro "intuitive") right mouse button. I would like to customize this page and group my favorites. Semantic zoom could be an elegant way.

    Otherwise I don't see a chance to store hundred or more bookmarks in any useful way.

    One last word to "the missing flash plugin":

    I would like to see a future of the web without flash or silverlight or sun's java engine (which does not get updated properly all the time on my windows). HTML 5 is capable of replacing this in many cases. In the other cases a real desktop application would be better anyway. Therefore for me it is OK to drop Flash support in Metro, otherwise web designers won't have a reason to switch to HTML5.

    Martin

  312. Peter says:

    @Mark

    "I am guessing the official answer will be "if you need an addon then switch to the desktop mode" which is a legitimate response "

    I don´t think this is a legitimate response since there will not be a desktop on Arm tablets. Telling these users to switch to the desktop is like telling them "F*CK YOU".

  313. Arturo says:

    METRO IS UGLY

    upload.wikimedia.org/…/Lego_Color_Bricks.jpg

    That is how Metro looks like.

    Aero was far more elegant…

    I understand the need of a new touch interface, but WHY WOULD YOU MAKE IT UGLY?????

  314. http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/23591038 says:

    boards.4chan.org/…/23591038

    this explains everything about the design

  315. Where is UIElement.Effect???

    Are you saying that we wont be able to use any kind of pixel shaders in a non-DirectX Application???

    That is a step backwards…

    Also, the start screen could use some shadows and whatnot… It looks monotone right now. Big ugly-colored squares with big white icons inside = fail. Only two of my tiles display information (Mail and weather).

  316. pmbAustin says:

    The more I think about it, the more I think the Windows team (and various app teams including IE10) need to truly embrace the "dual" nature of Win8:  There needs to be default application settings for both metro and desktop.

    If I'm on the desktop and double-click on a video or photo (or any other document), I want it to open up on the desktop, in a window.

    If I'm in Metro, and I click on any document, photo, video, etc., I want it to open up in metro, full-screen.

    Metro and Desktop versions of the same application need to be able to share all settings and preferences (as appropriate), as well as files, etc.

    This would dramatically improve the user experience for EVERYONE and help eliminate a lot of the complaints you're getting from Desktop users about being dumped back in metro unexpectedly and unwillingly.

  317. pmbAustin says:

    The worst part of the user experience on a non-touch laptop or desktop for me, so far, is the fact that controls FADE OUT on you… even if the mouse cursor is right on top of them.

    This is a serious usability issue.  Scrollbars, the IE10 "forward/back" arrows, etc., should NEVER disappear if the mouse is still hovering over them.  If I use my laptop's trackpad to park the mouse cursor over the scrollbar, so I can just click the trackpad button to "page down" a page, I should be able to do that, and not have to constantly move the mouse cursor to get the scrollbar back.  This is very annoying and needs to be fixed.

  318. Tim says:

    @pmbAustin

    You are starting to criticizing windows 8 also? You were always defending MS and Windows 8? What's happened? Have you also realised that Windows 8 is full of inconsistencies and is on the verge to a worst then Vista disaster?

  319. TIM says:

    The more i think of Windows8 and use it, in a way the more glad i am.

    After Win8 certain disaster, Ballmer&Sinofsky will be forced to leave MS. I think Windows 8 is a necessary prejudice for a brighter MS future.

  320. pmbAustin says:

    @Tim, I never stopped providing constructive criticism.

    I was defending it against STUPIDITY, and WHINING.  And I still do.  People WHINING that they should dump Metro (which isn't going to happen, for a million valid reasons) need to shut up.  People WHINING about the start button (not the lack of start menu, but the lack of start button) are whining too… and completely missing the point.  

    Yes, Win8 has some inconsistencies.  I also know it's not done, and am commenting to try and make it a better experience, suggesting things that at least have some possibility of being addressed in the next six months (or less, actually, since they have to go "Gold" months prior to release to give third parties and OEMs time to get things in order).

    I have all along agreed with and echoed many of the constructive criticisms.  But I'm sick and tired of the end-of-the-world same-note whining about things that anyone with a brain will realize aren't going to change.  It comes off as utterly childish, and you can rest assured that MS has completely tuned those people out.  Instead of helping, they're making sure their concerns are not heard at all.

    I am also basing my comments on actually using it, where as so many whiners are basing their complaints on either "what they've heard", "screen shots", or "The Developer Preview".

    Now please grow up and if you have something to offer, make it constructive, with valid real suggestions that might actually have a chance of being addressed, instead of just posting message after message of doom-saying.

    Thank you.

  321. the complaints surrounding XP and Vista were largely due to driver support, needing powerful enough hardware and poor performance, none of which apply to Windows 8.

  322. @Steven Sinofsky and @Rob Mauceri

    "We’ve found that many people – even those with the most enthusiastic and intense browsing patterns – prefer Metro style browsing because it’s less manual and more focused on what you browse than on how you browse."

    Why, then, do I prefer browsing the Internet using the desktop version of IE10? I will admit, there is something to be said for the idea of chromeless browsing, but I still prefer to have the chrome on the screen at all times. If I really want to view something without any chrome at all, I can just press F11 in the desktop version of Internet Explorer. This provides me with everything, and I do mean everything, that the Metro version of Internet Explorer has, and a lot more.

    Basically, I'm saying that the Metro-style browser in Windows 8 has no advantages at all over the desktop browser when running on a desktop PC.

  323. I-am-not-a-windows-8-fanboy says:

    @pmbAustin : It sounds like You have pms or something…..

  324. Half of the people who tried Windows 8 hated it says:

    Please listen to your customers and don't force a tablet UI on a desktop OS.

    http://www.pcworld.com/…/windows_8_survey_half_who_have_tried_the_os_wouldnt_recommend_it.html

    Tablet sales won't matter if half your existing customers hate it.

  325. JGodo says:

    @WindowsVista567

    Come on people, stop comparing metro apps vs desktop apps. Metro apps has enought things to complaint about even without that comparisions. Anyway I think real metro apps from third party are going o be far betther than default ones. I even think third party developers are going to send metro design guidelines where all we know.

    Desktop apps are for desktop users and Metro apps are for tablets or very noobs users. Period. I think right now is clear that metro apps are not going to replace desktop apps in any way and is not necesary to point that anymore. So I think when you complain about a metro apps do it thinking about using it in a touch device with small screen, and all will be fine.

    Win8 is not one OS but two completely separated OSs with a fast switch between them. That is clear since you can´t open desktop apps in metro and/or metro apps in desktop. Why can´t do a win32 developer a touch friendly interface that could run in desktop/metro? or a metro developer a mouse first interface if they want to do that? I really don´t like this artificial limitations. People knows what they download and install, so let people choice what they want to instal and how and where to run it. Only in that case the Os could be a fully an integrated Os with two interface modes.

    The only pourpose for this simbiotic relation between the two OSs as it is implementd now is the posibility to build hybrid/convertible systems, wich I think is very nice option. This is what is going to happen in the real world no matter what Sinofsky can think about it. May be win 9 can do a betther approach to join the two OSs, but win8 is what it is.

  326. @JGodo

    The problem is that Microsoft doesn't seem to agree with me. They believe that Metro should be present, in its current form, on all devices, regardless of the processor architecture or form factor. I disagree with this statement and have tried to support my view in many, many ways, but Microsoft clearly disagrees with me. It doesn't hurt to try to change their opinion, though.

  327. JGodo says:

    @WindowsVista567

    Microsoft do no have to agree with you, but you still have two options to be happy:

    1- Stay in win7 wich is almost win8 without metro stuff.

    2- Stay in win8 and avoid metro stuff:

    – Pin all your main programs to the taskbar.

    – Set a start action that load your desktop automatically before you can even see metro interface.

    – Uninstall all metro apps to avoid notifications.

    – Set all default programs to desktop apps.

    – Use desktop explorer search function to search files.

    If you do so is not difficult to pretend that metro does no exist.

    I think the next time I will let microsoft to get telemetry from my system. If many "power users" do it may be microsoft telemetry could be more realistic for win9.

    At a side note and after have been trying win8 for some weeks I need to say that it seems microsoft designers have read all books about usabillity and interface design and them do exactly the opposite. More or less the same they have done with win8 logo and logo design rules.

  328. Mr. Pin says:

    I am a bit disappointed that IE10 do not want to remember my password for jinni.com or geni.com

  329. fonts says:

    blog fonts are :

    up98.org/…/4zmoy40p4iv0je4h6hm.png

    without clarity ?

  330. pmbAustin says:

    Another issue with the scroll bars in IE10 on windows 8, aside from the fact they're always disappearing on me when I need them, is that the "thumb", showing the current location, is VERY difficult to see.  Especially on a page like this that is really long… it's small, and it's a slightly darker shade of gray than the gray background.  It's nearly impossible to see.  I had to page up and down and look for some 'motion' so that I could find it.

    The scroll-bars and controls, when using a mouse or trackpad on a laptop, need to be a lot more visible, and need to not fade out or disappear.

  331. JGodo says:

    Another problem with metro IE10 scrollbars is that they render over the website and no at the side, so in some cases scrollbar ocludes some button wich become unclikcable.

  332. Driver problem says:

    Windows 8 can't work with some graphic drivers.

    after installing win 8 , and install graphic driver , windows show only one black or green page.

    info :

    img4up.com/…/20454330631168412658.png

  333. WIN says:

    It's very very HARD for any things ?????? !!!!!!!!

    closing is hard…

    opening is hard…

    file and folder managing is hard…

    metro features do't good working in desktop…

    My computer is not …

    Where is WINDOWS XP ?

  334. Harshit says:

    windows 8 is not excellent like apple it is only good

  335. The Graphics in Metro UI SUCK!!!! says:

    Lets be frank!

    If the graphics of Metro UI don't improve, this OS will be effectively dead. Compared to Windows 7 or and Desktop app, the graphics within the Metro UI SUCKS! All the photos that I see within the apps have a very washed out look. They are not crisp and lack sharpness. If Win 8 metro cannot compete with Win 7 on graphics, how on earth you think it has a chance against RETINA from apple?

  336. th says:

    After windows complete installation , windows 8 must be ask of user for Metro configuration or Desktop configuration.

    i open one mp3 file but this file opening in metro UI , and also etc.

    this is not good for desktop users.

    windows 8 is like to secret games.

  337. Most tablet sales will be iPad sales which means says:

    Only a minority will actually have the same interface across devices. Most Windows 8 installs will be on the desktop which means the UI should be designed for mouse and keyboard.

  338. DEVman says:

    Strange the developer edition worked fine on my laptop…. the consumer version fails to work on bootup.  

  339. Rakesh says:

    Guys Great Work !!

    Can we also have data usage monitor built in windows ? We are already experiencing this "MS" as tablet style OS.

    It would be great if we can have that!

  340. Bring back the start menu says:

    Windows 8 is too focused on tablets and not offering enough to power users

    http://www.techbroil.com/…/window-power-users-not-liking-windows.html

  341. @Bring back the start menu says:

    The start menu is right there, click in the start charm and it takes you directly to the start screen.

  342. Fail says:

       After I saw how this OS look , is obviously a lot of guys at Microsoft will just lose their jobs after the incoming upgraded new Vista type fail.

       Including the interface designer, the lead project , and a lot of others.  

       And will be a well deserved sacking .

  343. w3fore says:

    for better integration between desktop and metro apps I like to see the desktop apps support some minimal sharing contract at least as a source. Like sharing a clipboard from desktop, If I'm working in a word doc/excel/pdf option to share it as a file.

  344. Steve Jobs says:

    @w3fore:

    Are you serious? You cannot copy and paste something from desktop to Metro and vice versa?

    Hahahahahahahahaha. Folks at Microsoft must be drunk? Thanks Microsoft. I love you!

  345. w3force says:

    @Steve Jobs share contract doesn't work when you are in desktop app but you can still do copy paste between metro and desktop environment.

  346. w3force says:

    @Steve Jobs btw if you are not sure what is share contract pls take a look at this video. It is one of the coolest features of Win8 along with other charm options..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

  347. alex says:

    In this situation , windows 8 in Desktop mode will be fail , unless with large changes.

    steven sinifsky bring new detriment for Microsoft.

    best opportunity for Apple or Google .

    news : integrate Linux kernel 3.3 whit Andriod.

    All developers working in Performance and practical os , but Microsoft straggle among desktop or metro .? ? ?

  348. Toy store says:

    Look at this laptop for kids. It is running Windows 8: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/…/17890979

  349. Toy store says:

    Look at this laptop for kids. It is running Windows 8: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/…/17890979

  350. Windows User says:

    Hey people! Watch my new Windows phone: trus.imageg.net/…/pTRU1-8650378dt.jpg

  351. Nice says:

    @Toy store: It does indeed look like the next iteration of Metro UI. Maybe we should buy one for Sinofsky to play with so he will stop slaughtering Windows.

  352. The Start Screen is not the Start Menu says:

    Stop pretending it is the same thing. The Start Menu doesn't dump all your icons onto a single screen that has a horizontal scroll.

    Why not let us choose? Why force us to reorganize everything?

  353. Raxtich says:

    No tabs, no sensible way to organize bookmarks, no plug-ins? You guys really need to stop drinking your own Kool-Aid. How can any sane person convince themselves that browsing this way is an "improvement"?

  354. w8user says:

    Yes – IE10 feels fast (most of the time), but please make the features comparable to what I get through Safari on iPad (multiple tabs indication, bookmark organization etc.).

  355. TIME TO METROOOOO says:

    Come on kids, is time for METROO METROOOOO METROOOOOO

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

    METROOOOOOORGASM

  356. hamakaze says:

    Apparently rumored to be launched in October this year, Windows 8 is true? Code that completes this summer even heard. It is RC version comes out around may? I like Office 15 and IE10 is put Windows 7 also!, so that can be released with Windows 8 and. Thank you.

    It is Zehi want recovery Bulletin Board, reputation is very good like that. Seriously are you want out.

  357. Arth says:

    love 8 and IE10 – just miss the ability to browse 2 IE pages simultaneously on my screen in metro style version of it. Plus, alt-tab and other tips to switch from one app to the other only presents one tab even though i may have several tabs opened. 🙁

    W8 rocks!

  358. Lost Tails says:

    My argument against Windows 8 revolves more around how much is hidden and not either clear or easily accessible to the average user.

    Simple things like cues to direct attention to the hot corners and to teach people how to zone metro apps (So we don’t have new Windows 8 users searching for things like the start button and taking ages to discover the multitaksing pane or the charms menu)

    Making the top top-left and bottom-right hot corners open fully on hover (rather than opening and requiring you to mouse the mouse up/down to open them fully)

    Adding a search bar on the start screen (Simple visual cue that search works the same way that it did in W7)

    Having the start screen automatically organize itself by most used apps (similar to the way the start menu did, if not I can assume the default dozen or so apps will remain pinned for a large portion of users)

    Adding a power button the the default charms

    Loading the start screen when you zone a metro app (Having half of the screen remain blank until you do something is rather pointless, especially when you’d be using the start screen to do anything anyway)

    Having an option to boot to desktop

    Simplifying the settings menus (Who thought 3 separate settings menus was a good idea?)

    They’re all little things, but they would all make the Windows 8 experience so much better for so many people. I’m hoping the final release incorporates at least some of these ideas.

  359. Steve says:

    Explaining how I feel and what I think of  Windows 8 in two little words~ It Sucks!

  360. Xero says:

    @c_barth, @Steven Sinofsky

    Have you tried the Quick-Tabs (Ctrl+Q) )feature of IE7,8,9&10(desktop)? Its an amazing feature but unfortunately its disabled by default! Good things in IE are deep down under the hood. Please enable it by default and it would be very wonderful if we have CPU/Memory usage and drag drop support to enhance the group management in IE 10 desktop! Drag drop in QuickTabs view can help placing the tab in other group. Also dragging the mouse while holding click can select multiple tabs (also pressing ctrl and click to select random tab) in that view so we can perform some actions like “assign group ”, “close tabs” and since so forth. This may improve the user experience.

    Mr. Steven, please consider this request may be this improvement make a lot of stakeholders happy!