Welcome to Windows 8 – The Consumer Preview


Today is a big day for the Windows team. At Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Spain a few moments ago, we unveiled the Windows 8 Consumer Preview to our partners and press. Based on a broad range of feedback, we have made over 100,000 code changes and the Consumer Preview represents a refined product ready for broad and daily usage by those of you willing to test a pre-release OS. You can download the Consumer Preview starting now at http://preview.windows.com. If you tried the Windows 8 Developer Preview, then you are going to be delighted to see a broad range of product changes and improvements based on a feedback from many sources.

Windows 8 reimagines Windows, from the chipset to the experience. With the Developer Preview we focused on presenting the new APIs and amazing new tools for developers. Today’s Consumer Preview is focused on a broader audience, and along with improvements to the WinRT APIs based on developer feedback, we are introducing the full user experience, the Windows Store for apps, and early previews of some first- and third-party apps.

With so much to dive into, let’s talk about what is different in the Consumer Preview at a high level:

  • Broad range of product changes and improvements: Since the Developer Preview in September, designed to preview the programming platform, Windows 8 has progressed across every dimension. From completing the user experience for touch, keyboard, and mouse, to refining the development platform, to improving performance, quality, and reliability across all subsystems as well as new features, the Consumer Preview represents a complete view of the capabilities of Windows 8.
  • Windows Store with an “App Preview” of new apps: The Windows 8 Consumer Preview marks the opening of the Windows Store for testing. You’ll see a variety of new Metro style apps from both third-party developers and Microsoft. During the Consumer Preview, these apps are available to try and experience at no cost to users. Please note, these apps and the set of preinstalled apps are at an early stage of development and are available as an early App Preview, and will be updated via the Windows Store. In addition, the Store will offer personalized recommendations, and Windows 8 gives users the ability to take their apps and settings with them across multiple PCs, making it easy to discover and try new apps while offering developers the greatest opportunity of any platform
  • Connecting to the cloud across Windows PCs and Windows Phones: You’ll experience seamless integration with the content across your web services. Optionally signing in with a Microsoft account provides access to features including the ability to roam all settings, use cloud storage, communicate with email, calendar, and contacts, and connect to a broad range of services. Your connection to the cloud works across your Windows PCs and your Windows Phones. You’ll also experience early previews of the Metro style apps for Mail, Calendar, People, Messaging, Photos, and SkyDrive.
  • Internet Explorer 10 Platform Preview 5: With IE10, we reimagined the browser to create a new experience designed specifically for Windows 8 devices. It provides an edge to edge interface that is all about less browser, and more web. Fast and fluid, IE is hardware-accelerated to enable web performance. The same rendering engine and high-performance script engine is available on the Windows desktop as well.

We’ve detailed many features in this blog across all the subsystems of Windows 8. From the kernel, networking, file system, graphics, and the user interface across all of those. There’s no easy way to enumerate the depth and breadth of Windows 8 in a post. The best thing to do is experience it yourself. We encourage everyone to check out our demo video, and all the videos and information on http://preview.windows.com. From there you can also download the Consumer Preview for x86/64. For developers, there is also a beta of Visual Studio 11.

We’ll publish a quick look at system requirements for this release, but the short version is that your Windows 7 logo PC is the perfect place to start as the system requirements have not changed. You can upgrade from the Developer Preview or from Windows 7, or install cleanly (we strongly recommend a hardware installation and not a VM install if you are looking to experience the release as the vast majority will experience it, and please keep in mind the minimum screen resolution required is 1024×768). We will be updating the release with various quality updates and drivers over the coming weeks/months just to exercise our overall update and telemetry mechanisms. Please keep in mind that this is a test release of a product still under development.

We’ve got a lot more blogging to do. So stay tuned for details of the changes we made and the features we haven’t had a chance to talk about yet. This blog continues to be a big part of the development process. Now that we have this shared experience, we expect folks commenting on posts to be running the Consumer Preview so we’re all sharing the same context. We know there will be a lot of feedback—that comes from reimagining a product used by a billion people!

Happy downloading and testing!

–Steven on behalf of the Windows 8 team

Comments (665)

  1. Edward says:

    Finalmente! Via al download!

  2. abdo says:

    thats really great i will the first one who will try it today….i like this new one

    i post here on my blog

    http://www.full-windows8.com/…/windows-8-consumer-preview-iso-file.html

  3. Awesome says:

    Can't wait to try it !!!

  4. Thierry says:

    I would like to scroll up metro for sandbox and old style custom-sized aero windows (or new metro-styled tiles with _ [ ] X), that would do it over the annoying double interface to remove in Windows 9…

  5. Jimmy says:

    Great, have been waiting all day,,, :-)

  6. andy says:

    you are very good :)

  7. Clark Alesna says:

    I love it Steve! Keep it up!

  8. Bob says:

    Where is Server8 preview ??

  9. poiu says:

    o/ Thanks MS!

  10. Wow, this is going to be an experience of a lifetime !

  11. sreesiv says:

    Congrats to the great Windows team.

  12. Secret Admirer says:

    I love you! This is soooo coool.

  13. Kevin Menzel says:

    I'm still really concerned that, as I use primarily desktop based application that seem unlikely to change to metro style apps EVER, that Windows 8 will be a step backwards in usability for me. I know I can't be alone in this – so what improvements have been made in the Customer Preview over the Developer Preview for handling the workflow in use cases where Metro Apps are infrequently or never used? I don't expect for example, any of my core recording studio applications to become Metro Apps, nor do I expect my third party media manager to become a Metro App – both are things I use every day – AND I use multiple monitors EVERY DAY on EVERY APP that I use… even when web browsing I'll have 4 tabs side by side on 2 monitors, so I don't have to switch tabs to see that stuff. I feel as though Windows 8 handles situations like this really badly – the non-touch multiple-monitor primarily heavy duty app user on a desktop.

  14. Faiyaz says:

    Great. Congrats!!! I am following the MWC announcement live on CNET and what I see (actually read) is simply fantastic. Excited.

  15. Nitz Walsh says:

    Engadget's out the box with the first review:

    "We really liked Windows 7 when it launched. It felt like a big step forward in the short time that had passed since Vista. Now, as we creep closer to a likely release near the end of this year, we can't shake a sense of doubt. Windows 8 still feels like two very different operating systems trying to be one. The potential is hugely alluring — a single OS to rule both the tablet and the desktop — and with each subsequent version we keep hoping this will be the one that ties it all together. Sadly, as of the Consumer Preview, we're still seeing a lot of loose threads.

    As it stands, Windows 8 is a considerably better tablet operating system than any previous version has managed to be. However, it's still a clumsier desktop OS than Windows 7. That's a problem Microsoft must fix before release."

    In other words, very little that needed to be changed from the DP has been changed.

    I predict the reaction to the CP is going to be very, very harsh.

  16. Noel Arlante says:

    Is there an offline installer for windows 8 cp?

  17. Balwinder Singh says:

    Congratulations, Windows team, good luck for the main version that is to come out soon.  I have been waiting for this day just like everyone else!!!  I also told others about this release as well!

  18. Faiyaz says:

    @Noel Arlante – .iso download is available

  19. Thanks.

    Looking forward to all the features described in the Blog.

  20. jaskis says:

    GO MSFT GO

  21. mvadu says:

    Congratulations to Steven and team for reaching one more milestone. Please keep up the good work you guys are doing.

  22. Waseem says:

    Congrats to Windows Team who work great to make this Possible!!!! Hats off to You ALL!!!!!

  23. David Haymond says:

    Congratulations Windows 8 Team! I have been looking forward to this. Downloading now… :)

  24. Carolyn says:

    Awesome!

  25. Where is the ISO ? says:

    Don't need this "Let's see what's compatible" nonsense since it ain't goin' in here in the first place.  Think, man, think!

  26. Mike Banigan says:

    Yay!  I have been looking forward to this day.

  27. Nitz Walsh says:

    You've download the setup then – the separate ISO download is a link just below that.

    THINK man, THINK.

  28. Pranav says:

    Alright! Go MS!

  29. Where is the new preview for Windows Server ?

  30. TGZ says:

    The Metro UI is really **y, you MUST let us the choice to use it or not during installation process ! I don't want this retarded starting screen ! It looks like a computer for 5 years old children … I wanted to disable the Metro UI and have a win7 like view but i didn't find how to do that. I'm really disapointed about this choice, i will never use win8 until i can fully disable it….

  31. Yassine says:

    Is there a better way to disable this useless metro ui except with the registry ?

    Sorry bu Metro UI for developper or adminstrator better go fishing

  32. Windows 8 Enthusiast says:

    @STEVEN     WHEN XBOX CAN COME TO WINDOWS, THEN WHY NOT KINECT FOR METRO UI?? PLEASE BRING KINECT TO USE METRO UI THROUGH GESTURES !!! I WANNA USE MY HANDS TO SELECT OR PULL APPS ON START SCREEN !!!

    PS: YOU WOULD BE INSANELY DUMB IF YOU DON'T TO INTRODUCE  IT. USING KINECT ON METRO UI IS LIKE MINORITY REPORT SCI-FI STUFF. PLEASE BRING KINECT GESTURES TO METRO UI !!!!! KINECT  IS A GOLDMINE !!! BRING IT TO WINDOWS 8 !!!!

  33. Downloading the ISO and getting ready for testing.

  34. Nitz Walsh says:

    So the Windows7 Games folder has now been replaced by ….Xbox LIVE?

    Why do I see ads and options to "Play" Plants vs. Zombies on Xbox?  There's a PC version of this.  Why in the heck is it directing me to the poorly-controlled Xbox version?

    If you need more evidence that MS truly wants to kill of PC gaming once and for all, then you're blind.  Sweet jesus MS, you basically just gave the ball to Steam, once again.  MS's incompetence in the PC gaming space continues as usual.

  35. Michael says:

    Is there an iso available fore Visual Studio 11 Express Beta for Web?

  36. JGodo says:

    Sorry, I tryed. No way metro in my desktop. And really, I think metro style apps are ugly… and you know what… we all are not blind! and for the sake of god… all these horizontal scrolling are contra natura. I hope devs could override it an start to scrolling apps up and down.  It is a pain even look for a contact in that horizontal interminable over big iconize list. I´m gonna stay a long time with win7 I think.

  37. JGodo says:

    Sorry, I tryed. No way metro in my desktop. And really, I think metro style apps are ugly… and you know what… we all are not blind! and for the sake of god… all these horizontal scrolling are contra natura. I hope devs could override it an start to scrolling apps up and down.  It is a pain even look for a contact in that horizontal interminable over big iconize list. I´m gonna stay a long time with win7 I think.

  38. JGodo says:

    Also, just curiosity… what happens to metro IE ?

  39. Nazmus Shakib Khandaker says:

    Oh great! I am going to download it right now!

  40. Peter says:

    In case it doesn't get answered in the other post:

    Will Storage Spaces created with the CP be compatible with the Win 8 final or is this not yet certain?

  41. Marloo says:

    Casual users may think that metro ui is "cool" because it's coloured and dynamic. But let's be serious and realistic : all "geeks", advanced users and professionals will hate that.

    So the better thing to do is to ask during installation if we want metro ui or normal ui. With this option everyone will be satisfied.

    PS : The new window when we copy files is really great.

  42. It is true – the "geeks" and "power users" are shocked by Metro. So much so that they can't even look past it to peek inside to the improvements on the Desktop front. Personally, I love Metro, but I can understand where some users are coming from.

    In the spirit of Microsoft's new "no compromise" philosophy, I suggest the addition of a simple opiton "Disable Start screen". Something that will disable Metro and bring back the old Start menu. I realize this is counter productive to progress, but alas, some people are just heavily resistant to change. It would be unfair not to cater to them.

  43. Frenz says:

    IE 10 Metro tab-support is not working! Atleast not if you access it through ctrl+t (don't know how else to access tabs) – it keeps popping up "Frequent and pinned" sites on top when you try to select a tab in the list (using the mouse).

    Also ocasinally Metro IE goes in complete full-screen mode (without even the url-bar visible) and there seems to be no way of getting the url-bar back (Although F5 seems to work, but that's an ugly work-around).

  44. TheGame says:

    A quick summary of my thoughts after using the CP a little while. First, I can't believe you actually didn't do anything to the aero theme other than reducing the shadow intensity of the windows. Where the inner window borders? Why are some elements still rounded? Right now, just like in the DP, Windows 8 feels like two operating systems thrown together. I'm doubtful you will change the desktop "look" to match the metro start screen. If you decided to change the start screen, and more recently the Windows logo why keep the desktop mostly the same as in Windows 7?

    Good improvements to the start screen and customization though. I just wish the OS felt more unified. Metro icons, aero icons, metro apps, aero apps, different scrollbars for metro and the desktop, etc. What a mess. Hopefully not everything is final…

  45. Nitz Walsh says:

    @subhadips

    WHAT "improvements on the desktop front" are you referring to, exactly?

  46. Malaysian says:

    tried the consumer preview… stil can't accept metro, maybe microsoft should try another big leap in the style thou… separate windows and metro UI? or totally abandon and redesign windows UI to fit with metro style? PLUS: SIMPLE-interface apps is not really necessary, i think i'll need more option to deal with a programs or apps… OVER-SIMPLE UI is just not convenient….

  47. My congratulations to the Windows 8 team. I was looking forward to this release. Thank you very much for your efforts.

  48. domenicoav says:

    180Kb sec. download!!!

    CONGRAT AGAIN PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!

  49. Doug says:

    I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why my 30" desktop screen has to look like a smartphone, that's what my smartphone is for. You guys had better cook in a way to disable this UI on the desktop. This will work great on tablets, but the desktop isn't the place for this.

  50. László says:

    I installed Windows 8. And I hate this metro startscreen, i hate the messaging system (the built-in windows live messenger). It was hard even for me to find how to shut down my computer. It took me at least 10 minutes to change the keyboard from English to Hungarian to be able to write.. You REALLY should make a version without this metro style and put back the old start button. It is good for tablets, but it's impossible to use with a PC. After these cons, here are the pros: I love the new task manager and the improvements in the folders, it helps and speeds up the use. And also the new betta is pretty nice.

    Unless you change or disable this metro style, I will reinstall the good old 7 and I won't buy the product. For the sake of God, please make a usable version for PCs! We can see many people complaining about this!

  51. Frenz says:

    Am I the only one getting frustrated that you cannot exit Metro applications by pressing the ESCAPE key ? It kinda feels intuitive when you have this full-screen experience – having to press ALT+F4 is a bit ackward.

    Also there seems to be a lot of things on the Desktop (settings in the classic Control Panel for instance) where you can click a link which bring you into a Metro dialog – which is OK I guess, but there seems to be no way of exiting this "dialog" and return to the Desktop afterwards – chances are you'll end up in the Metro "Start Menu" afterwards (ofcourse you can then click Desktop again to get back, but it's not a great Desktop experience).

    Eg. Classic Control Panel -> User Accounts -> Make changes to my account in PC settings –> Metro account settings –> Close (by either ALT+F4 or WIN key, again ESC would feel like the obvious choice here) –> Metro Start Menu (Not really where you expected to end up)

  52. Confused says:

    Ok, got it up and running, but ….

    You have an app open, say SkyDrive, when finished how do you close the window as there's i  no X or file/close option that I can see? It can be done with alt+F4,  but surely there should be an 'easy' way to close?

    Or do you just leave them all open?

    Thanks

  53. pmbAustin says:

    @Nitz Walsh asks:  WHAT "improvements on the desktop front" are you referring to, exactly?

    How about new desktop multi-monitor support (stretch task bar and desktop wallpaper across monitors, or replicate across monitors), new virtual and dynamically expandable Storage Spaces, built in Hyper-V, native USB 3.0 support, vastly improved file management, improved Task manager, native/built-in SkyDrive, syncing multiple devices (PCs, Laptops, Tablets) through the cloud, much faster boot times, new "connected standby" low-power mode for laptops, boot and run from USBKeys/FlashDrives, and that's in addition to all the new Metro features.

    @Doug posts: "I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why my 30" desktop screen has to look like a smartphone"

    That's just the start screen (takes up one monitor on multi-monitor setups).  Dismiss it, and work in desktop.  Looks much like Win7, only with lots of improvements.  Taskbar is still there.  Pin all the apps you want to it.  Throw short-cuts on the desktop.  use your Desktop apps as always before.

  54. pmbAustin says:

    @Frenz asks: "Am I the only one getting frustrated that you cannot exit Metro applications by pressing the ESCAPE key ?"

    Just tap the Windows key instead?  Admittedly its' a bit of muscle-memory retraining…

    @Confused asks: "Or do you just leave them all open?"

    For Metro Apps, Win8 manages their lifetime.  You don't HAVE to worry about closing them.  If you're not using them, they dont' use any resources.  it's a bit of a different way to think about things, but think of it this way: it frees you from having to micromanage your running apps.

  55. Is there a way to save app installs between Win8 beta installs? I'm not too concerned about having to reinstall windows or bugs, but I don't want to have to reinstall my apps.

  56. Per says:

    Does anyone have a link to a video from the entire press event (Windows 8 Consumer Preview)?

  57. Toni says:

    @pmbAustin,

    I dont think that throwing shortcuts is acceptable option. So you could have a mess of icons?

    I also dont think that dont worrying about the resources is a thing we normally do on windows 7 or XP when managing apps. People dont have windows/apps open or closed thinking on resources. They think:

    - do i need the app again soon, or can i close it? Should i close so it can be more organized?

    The maximum they could feel about resources is if the computer is slowing down they might close an app.

    If you have to many apps open, how will it be to swipe between apps that you dont need it anymore, you just use it once? Or having several windows too choose from.

    Metro has a big learning curve to desktop users to be accepted for people who are not power users at all. It will not gain acceptance on Desktop for the casual users with mouse and keyboard. There are too many shortcuts, 4 corners on the mouse, instead of the simple point button experience… Microsoft is playing with fire on the desktop… Let's see what's going to happen.

  58. Frenz says:

    @pmbAustin: It's fine that the Windows key works, I would just like ESC to work as well – it's the most intuitive button, in most historic UI's it has always been the "panick" button when you wanted to exit something. Besides the Windows key seems to be doing other things, you can also use it to switch between "Start Menu" and Metro applications or the Desktop – I would really like ESC to just mean BACK!

  59. alterSchw3de says:

    Hi,

    at first i want to say that i'm really a big fan of metro but i really can't understand how i should use Windows 8 with a mouse?

    The button to access the charm bar is way to small…. You have a screen with a bunch of big tiles but this important button has to be so small? I mean using it with the mouse feels like using windows mobile 6.0 with finger touch… :(

    Additionaly the use of a scrollbar to get to the left and right is a catastrophe… it's really unintuitive to move the mouse down to the bottom to access basic information (like in the music application my own music)

    And just to be clear… i don't try to talk win 8 down, but i really don't get how this should work as efficient as any windows version before…

  60. Confused says:

    Have since found the answer to my earlier question re closing of apps.

    "You can close Metro apps without restoring to the task manager. Drag down from the top of the screen until the app you're looking at shrinks down to a thumbnail and keep dragging that off screen to close it (it's a longer swipe that when you use a quick finger swipe down from the top or up from the bottom of the screen to get the menu bar inside an app).

    That works with a mouse as well. Or you can use Alt-F4, just like with a desktop app."

  61. i love MS, i am gonna use w8 any ways. its best OS yet. but i have few comments.

    as far as i can see people complaint about navigating back and forth from desktop to metro ui and using keyboard and mouse. I am assuming (!) MS has 60000 engineers out of 90000 employees.  Ask all the engineers to use any new product in their day to day life. If they love new changes then there are high chances end user will love. MS just imaging you have got 60000 smart people who can play end user role. That gives you broader way to test your product apart from automated test. This was my general idea. But lets come to w8, ask all the engineers how many of them gonna use w8 on their desktop. You will find result within.

    but for tablets, w8 is gonna beat the hell out of iCrap…..

  62. Toni says:

    @Frenz i Agree with you. Escape is the most intuitive key. Having to make shortcuts doesn't make too much sense. Microsoft just wanted to be too innovative. I mean they were excessively minimalist with the UI and complicated with too many shortcuts and mouse approach…

    I think someone at microsoft are having a good time with their ego changing things, just because they have the power to do it, and changing people habits and desires.

    Besides there is good Metro and bad Metro. The initial start screen is mess. Lots of tiles. Too many. It might scare users.

  63. Chris says:

    I think that you have done a really great job on this, and that there has been a lot of progress made since I used the developer preview.  Overall, things seem smooth (even running in a VM), and apps that I have seen are impressive. I have a few issues with navigation though, and some recommendations on ways that they could be fixed:

    1) Dragging to scroll was my first intuition. Is it possible to implement this?

    2) On the start screen and in many apps created by Microsoft, you can use the scroll wheel to scroll left/right, which I really like. However, in some of the news apps that are in the store, this does not work. You have have to either drag the scroll bar or have a mouse with a left/right scroll. Is it possible to translate?

    3) I have a back button on my mouse. This button doesn't seem to do anything in a lot of apps with back buttons. Instead, I have to locate the button and click it. Is it possible to add back button functionality?

    4) Hovering in corners and then moving up to the charms or windows is a lot of mouse movement. Perhaps it would be easier to implement these menus as radial menus around the hot corners? Or maybe the hotspots could be in the middle of the screen?

    Overall, I am very impressed. Great work Windows team!

  64. Congratulations to Steve S. And to all the Windows 8 Team …I LOVE IT

  65. kinect_dev says:

    I've heard of people switching to the Desktop mode and then not knowing where to click to get back to the start menu. For a newly installed system, what if there was a little floating arrow that popped up and instructed the user where to click to get back to the start menu.

  66. Saurabh says:

    @Steven,

    Can I upgrade my machine from Windows Vista to Consumer Preview? Also, will I be able to upgrade from Consumer Preview version to the final version (as and when available) without formatting/reinstalling windows?

  67. Anyone tried with 7950 AMD card and 12.3 pre drivers? Will it work normally?

  68. Ketse says:

    This Windows 8 consumer preview is just HORRIBLE! I really liked the Windows 7 with it's style of windows and start menu. Sure this Metro is good for tablet-pc's, but for desktop use it's basically most horrifying thing i have ever seen! If Microsoft doesn't include option to choose between this new style and "old" Windows 7 style in final release, then I (among many others) will skip this Windows and wait for Win9.

  69. WhyAllThe8About8 says:

    @Chris

    Middle (actually edge pixels that are not corners) of the screen on left and right is for what they call "Push scrolling" (or something like that) that's why there is no other hot spot there.

    Push scrolling consist to bring the cursor to the left/right edge and "push" to reveal more stuff.

    see winsupersite.com for lots of additionnal info on the CP

  70. WhyAllThe8About8 says:

    @Ketse

    Just think about it for a second… making Windows 8 was/is an insane amount of work, I guess we can all agree on that.

    So I also guess they would not make all of these changes it there weren't any advantages, don't you think?

  71. JasonX says:

    The audio driver Microsoft is someway better than the one realtek has since it has seperate volume control on headphone and speaker, HOWEVER, it does not have Dolby / SRC support, Microsoft really needs to work on it to make hardware more compatible with the system.

  72. Please Microsoft!!!! You have to consider a new UI design for Desktop. The Consumer Preview UI looks really bad and old.

    To ALL of you, please take a look at this: http://www.theverge.com/…/windows-desktop-ui-concept

    You won't believe it!

    This designer could change the future of Windows for good; to have a real great & consistent Windows UI!

    Please hire this guy!

  73. JasonX says:

    The audio driver  Microsoft made in WINdows 7 someway better than the one realtek has since it has seperate volume control on headphone and speaker, HOWEVER, it does not have Dolby / SRC support, Microsoft really needs to work on it to make hardware more compatible with the system for windows 8. Now the separate volume settings is missing in windows 8, really bad.

  74. searching guy says:

    when searching for device manager, I have to click on settings to search for settings? that's annoying. It should give all search results in the order of search preference, or at least list all search results in different categories automatically. Even windows 7 and vista can do that and now it is missing in windows 8?

  75. ReMark says:

    The mockup of the verge is an abomination.

    A good restyle is the Zetro Theme on DevianArt.

    I'm downloading the Consumer Preview…

  76. ReMark says:

    PS: Zetro Theme only considering the theme of the windows… not docks, bars and other bad things.

  77. Downloading…. cant wait to get hands on it!!!

  78. Masoud says:

    Is this the client side version?

    Do we have any server side beta release?

    Thanks

  79. Masoud says:

    Is is the client side beta? Do we have any win 8 server beta?

  80. WhyAllThe8About8 says:

    @Masoud

    CP is client, Windows Server 8 Beta is well… the server beta, get it there => http://www.microsoft.com/…/v8-trial.aspx

  81. OK, so when will we be allowed to change the billing country for our windows live accounts?

  82. de@iru.ch says:

    Uhm… Still no "Never combine, hide labels" taskbar-option, that's annoying. IE10 already froze on two pages (adobe.com and twitter.com). Can't access Music, Videos, Games because they're not available in Switzerland. Weather only shows Seattle weather instead of the local weather. Camera app doesn't work (gray screen). Can't dock apps (1280×800 resolution, not quite enough). UserContacts folder makes Explorer to switch to the old Win7 interface. Mail app says that my Exchange server is unavailable, which is not true, so I don't get any new mails after the initial sync. Can't rename tiles. Search for "SendTo" in C: yields no results.

    Looks like you guys still have some work left to do :).

  83. dr.lacus says:

    Why can't I log in to xbox live games with my account? It says my region isn't supported, but Xbox live is available in Hungary!

  84. msn@k-kp.de says:

    No, sorry. That's not my thing. Never in the history of microsofts systems my impression was so bad like windows 8. The start screen is absolute awful. Else I don't see a reason to upgrade to Windows 8. For Desktop PC users no interesting things, no interesting technology, nothing what you can not have for windows 7. A very big disappointment.

  85. @Steven Sinofsky

    The "Windows Developer Preview – General OS questions" forum has been locked – will the http://win8.ms/forums URL be updated to link to the Consumer Preview forum?

  86. the apps are just jokes says:

    the apps are just jokes, even multi-touch capable touchpad can't do horizontal/vertical scrolling and pinch zoom… can't even drag it…. have to use the sliders at the bottoms for an app? are you kidding me microsoft?

  87. JJBowles says:

    Windows 8 in a corp environment is a regression from Win7….

    You've got to FIX THE DESKTOP EXERIENCE!!  The Metro touch stuff is cool, a little quirky, but forward thinking. #congrats.  However, as the manager of 7000 desktops in a corp environment I am freaking out about the direction the desktop with keyboard and mouse is going.  It is a complete regression since Win8 developer preview. If you don't get this cleaned up and fixed then Win8 will be another Vista flop in the corporate world. Let me say that again… WIN8 WILL BE ANOTHER VISTA  I could write a small book on the issues here.  

    My users range from tech savy to plant workers and truck drivers.  Like all of us, the start button is baked into our DNA. Heck, it evens makes sense to us to click start in order to shutdown.   If you don't know where to go, click on "START" and all your problems are solved.  What once took one click, now takes some mouse gymnatsics to hover in that weird 1/4 inch area next to the clock that used to be show desktop.  (try hovering there with multiple monitors — talk about extreme dexterity). Once you hover, then the magical charms appear on the right side of the primary screen.  Now you see a familiar looking start button, but SURPRISE!!!  It doesn't take you to "all programs" — it takes you to the touch optimized Metro start screen.  Talk about poor decision making.  

    Trying shutting your computer down with a mouse.  

    Try launching a CMD prompt.

    How can I make the desktop the default UI?  I'm not going to deploy metro desktop to my users as the default screen. I would rather deploy a slew of ipads and I'm no ipad fan that is for sure.

    How do you pin a program to your task bar now?

    ..and WHY isn't the trashcan on the start bar?  Having it as a desktop icon has never  made sense because you have to move windows around just to get to it.

  88. Mitch says:

    Is Windows To Go available in the consumer preview?

  89. discover a bug says:

    discover a bug when opening the contacts folder, the windows explorer address bar and search bar turns black, but gets color back when maximizing it…. such an awful bug..

  90. Well, what do you know… there IS a quasi-Start Menu interface hidden there.

    If you choose to see all apps and zoom out (Ctrl+Scroll wheel, would be interested in what the keyboard-only shortcut is), you will see the program groups as tiles, very similarly to the old Start Menu. I wonder if we could somehow set THAT as the default interface for the Windows key…

    Otherwise, though, Windows' split personality disorder has only gotten worse, I'm afraid. Now we have TWO Taskbars, one for Metro apps and one for Desktop apps. Really? (By the way, the "Metro Taskbar" cannot hold more than 7 open applications, including the Desktop, at once. The rest is apparently closed.)

    And, okay, so the Desktop is basically just something like another Metro app, right? Except… how do you change the display resolution from Metro? Oh, you can't! My, it seems the Desktop is still more than an application then.

    It's very hard for me to understand just what kind of concept is behind this poor, jumbled chimera of an interface. The most fundamental issues weren't addressed; who knows about tablets, but I just can't see this succeeding on the desktop at all.

  91. pmbAustin says:

    @JJBowles… how is pressing the "Windows" Key on the keyboard "mouse gymnatics"?  How is simply slamming your mouse cursor into the lower-LEFT corner (you know, where the Start orb used to be?) "Mouse gymnastics"?  Or in either of the right hand corners, to bring up charms, and click start?  You already have a bunch of ways to go there.  No dexterity is required.  And multiple-monitors doesn't change hitting the lower left corner at all.  It's still a hard corner… the easiest spot on the screen to target with a mouse.

    And the Start Screen *is* "All Programs".  And it's mouse friendly too.

    Launching a CMD prompt?  Hit the Windows key and type "cmd" and hit enter.  Exactly the same as Win7.

  92. jjbowles says:

    @pip25, it ain't pretty that is for sure.  The dev preview was somewhat usable, but this is bordering on STUPID>  Does Microsoft listen to users in these forums?

  93. JJBowles says:

    My 7000 users (like most non technical users) don't know mouse shortcuts.  I showed someone Win-L to lock their screen the other day and he thought I was magic.  To expect average users to re-learn how they have used Windows for years is not rational thinking.  If they  have to re-learn an OS, why not have them re-learn on OSX or iOS?

  94. Stephen Kellett says:

    What a disaster. Nothing for desktop users has been improved.

    No start menu.

    Search is super clunky and inefficient to use. I don't care if the actual search (once configured) is effective if I have to completely break my "flow" to fight your dumb search interface. Search in Windows XP (in terms of configuring what would happen) is so much more efficient and effective. And in WIndows XP it wouldn't start searching until I had configured the search parameters completely.

    This is a serious downgrade in functionality compared to Windows 7 or Windows XP.

    I know there is lots of good stuff under the hood (its been great reading about it), but if you hide it behind as useless user interface just what is the point?

    We'll use this in a VM for testing. We'll never install this for real work.

    This is the new Vista.

  95. Stephen Kellett says:

    What a disaster. Nothing for desktop users has been improved.

    No start menu.

    Search is super clunky and inefficient to use. I don't care if the actual search (once configured) is effective if I have to completely break my "flow" to fight your dumb search interface. Search in Windows XP (in terms of configuring what would happen) is so much more efficient and effective. And in WIndows XP it wouldn't start searching until I had configured the search parameters completely.

    This is a serious downgrade in functionality compared to Windows 7 or Windows XP.

    I know there is lots of good stuff under the hood (its been great reading about it), but if you hide it behind as useless user interface just what is the point?

    We'll use this in a VM for testing. We'll never install this for real work.

    This is the new Vista.

  96. David says:

    As a network manager myself, I have to agree with mostly what JJBowles has said. The removal of the start button is a stupid decision, and the top left corner popup is an annoyance when you are using desktop programs. I work with small children and can see potential problems with them trying to click on the file menu in programs and instead clicking on the corner popup by mistake.

    Please add a shutdown button next to the user tile on the start screen. It should not be in the settings button.

    Also will there be a group policy to disable the use of the metro IE and to force Windows to use the desktop IE?

  97. BASS says:

    those of u who are having problems upgrade your hardware on you systems and ul be fine

  98. Stephen Kellett says:

    @pmbAustin

    Launchign a command prompt. I do that from the Start menu. Which doesn't exist anymore.

    In 17 years of using Windows I have never used the Windows key. Interestingly I've never seen any user of a computer use the Windows key. I don't want to learn and remember key combinations to do things that I can currently do trivially using the start menu.

  99. Stephen Kellett says:

    @pmbAustin

    Launchign a command prompt. I do that from the Start menu. Which doesn't exist anymore.

    In 17 years of using Windows I have never used the Windows key. Interestingly I've never seen any user of a computer use the Windows key. I don't want to learn and remember key combinations to do things that I can currently do trivially using the start menu.

  100. JGodo says:

    "No dexterity is required." Well, I don´t use a mouse, but a wacom tablet. What now? I have to point the stylus just in the same tablet corners… you just cant know what that feels without trying it… ufff

  101. mstify says:

    I'm a professional developer on the Microsoft platform for 17 years and I will try to keep this short.. (Sorry, I failed)

    Let me tell you something, I always have a gazillion webbrowser instances and tabs open (rarely less than 50 browser tabs and as much as 100) – I often run 5-10 Visual Studio instances simultaneously (and I know your usage statistics says average is 1, so you won't make it easier to distinguish between them, but this is a different matter..) – usually have 10+ explorer windows – and I absolutely love working this way, I am productive this way and that's what counts for me. I run 2 big screens with 2560×1440 resolutions to give me as much working space as possible, so I can easily switch between a lot of my open applications, browser tabs and explorer windows. Even if I had a use for some Metro UI application, I would be looking for a desktop alternative, so I could have it running side-by-side with my other applications – let's be honest, one application at a time might be great for the average joe, but it's a horrible solution for professional users. Honestly, I have a hard time seeing myself use anything but the desktop – and now you're cripling this experience.

    But I probably don't fit your usage statistics and it seems to be all you care about these days.

    Where is our choice ? Why are you copying Apple's "our way or the highway" philosophy ?

    Before you always gave us the choice, whether we wanted to keep the old Windows 2000 grey theme, start menu and so on – atleast for 1 Windows iteration. So we had time to adopt and the new solution had time to mature and adopt to our requirements. What happened to this strategy? And why are you standing your ground on this, despite all the pressure from the professional community?

    I've always had great faith in Microsoft, you have some of the brightest brains in the industry and people I admire working for you.

    I wasn't too worried about the developer preview, thinking you would be listening to the community eventually and fix this – I really believed you had been so quiet about Metro on this blog lately, because you wanted to present us the solution with this beta-release. As that didn't happen, I'm starting to get worried, really worried, that you are gonna go through with this.

    Why so stubborn ? Why are you not listening to the community on this one ?

    And it's not just the Metro UI.

    Visual Studio 11 has gone all black and white (you probably looked at your usage statistics, noting that no one used colored icons *sarcasm*).

    It's great that you are trying new things and ideas you think might work better – but seriously, I use colors a lot to distinguish between different item types in Solution Explorer, I don't think I'm the only one. The theme engine seems to be powerful enough that you created a "light" and "dark" colorless theme, but why on earth leave out the theme all your customers are used to ? Are you really so sure of your ideas that you belive it's better to just force us all into submission ? It's not like more options is a big deal in an application like Visual Studio and the intended audience and please provide some way of disabling the Metro interface for professional users – it doesn't matter if it requires a registry hack (but you seem to have disabled even this option in the new consumer preview).

    Why not give us the choice ?

  102. Ardeshir says:

    Mr.Sinofsky please listen to the community!!

    I am agree with mstify.

  103. pmbAustin says:

    @Stephen Kellett , almost every thing you said is demonstratably false.

    "Nothing for desktop users has been improved" … really?  Faster boot times, improved Windows Explorer, improved file copies and file management, support for *.iso mounting and burning, radically improved Task Manager, new dynamic virtual Storage Spaces, syncing across laptops and desktops (settings, personalization, data), better multi-monitor support (stretching taskbar across multiple monitors, ditto wallpaper, or replicating them on each monitor), and dozens of other tweaks and improvements?  That's "nothing"?

    "Search is super clunky and inefficient to use."  … really?  Hit the windows key and start typing.  Boom.  Done.

    "This is a serious downgrade in functionality compared to Windows 7 or Windows XP"  How so?  I see tons of ADDITIONAL functionality.  There are a few rough edges I hope Microsoft works on, but over-all, there are more options, better options, better support, faster and more efficient operation, etc.

    And no start menu?  What do you think the Start Screen is?  And it's one key tap away?  Or one mouse-click?  Fully customizable too.

  104. Xero says:

    @Stephen Kellett and others being finicky about the Metro/change-in-looks..

    Normally people go this way to cmd or other applications in win7:

    -press windKey

    - type cmd

    - press enter

    OR

    -click start

    -type cmd

    -press enter

    In WindOS8 you can do both!! start typing cmd when on start and it will bring it up and press enter… just the diff way of displaying stuff ! its different, may be a little unfamiliar but I won't mind getting used to it since it's a new fluid layout.. trying to be moderate here as opposed to be a fanboy or a troll !

    other than the shortcuts, you can arrange the programs whatever the way you want.. group the most cardinal ones at the beginning .. a leeway from the boundaries of Start Menu!

    Summary:

    - Start acts as a Start Menu in several ways

    - Start offsets Start Menu and introduces more diversified concepts (live tiles/metro)

    - BUT there MUST be an option for a user to turn on/off the Start or switch to a compact Start or Embedded Start (as a desktop background)

  105. pmbAustin says:

    @Stephen Kellett: "Launchign a command prompt. I do that from the Start menu. Which doesn't exist anymore."

    The Start Screen can have the command prompt pinned to it, because IT IS THE NEW START MENU.  If you want something there, PUT it there.  Or you can do what I said (btw, the same keystrokes work in Win7 too:  Windows key, cmd, enter).  Or you can pin it to your taskbar.  Or you can put a short-cut to it on your desktop.  You have PLENTY of options.  NOTHING has been taken away from you.  The look and feel of exactly ONE of the options has changed a bit.  That is all.

    "In 17 years of using Windows I have never used the Windows key."

    That doesn't mean you can't start now.  The Windows Key started becoming seriously useful in Windows 7.  All those short-cuts remain, and more are being added in Windows 8.  The Windows key *IS* your "start orb/button" now.  New Windows 8 hardware will have dedicated start buttons (just like the iPad, iPhone, and WP7 phones), making the orb redundant there as well.

    You can put whatever you want on the Start Screen, grouped however you want, in whatever order you want.  I'm still not sure what you're complaining about.

  106. @discover a bug says:

    Sir that bug must have come out of your orifice! I don't see that bug neither did my friend. So please kill the bug before it start off-springing..  ( 8->

  107. pmbAustin says:

    @mstify … I totally agree with you about the look and feel of VS11.  Color needs to go back into those toolbar icons stat.

    But I'm not sure what you're complaining about otherwise.  Win8 won't "cripple" your ability to use IE and VS as you are now.  I operate with dozens and dozens of windows (and IE tabs) open all the time.  And you still can in Win8.  And Win8 brings a lot of new and very welcome enhancements, ESPECIALLY to developers (task manager alone… ).

  108. Joao M Correia says:

    Metro on a desktop is an abomination and should be thrown into the same dark pit where you stored Clippy, Vista, Me and that crazy contraption that resembled a house UI you did for 95.

    And fire whoever dared suggest you should try to force this to your customers.

  109. Karl says:

    Why doesn't my "back"-button on my mouse work in Metro-apps and other instances where it would make sense? Why do I have to now click three or four times to reach the shutdown-options and move the mouse much further? I know, small potatoes but especially the part with the back-button hampers my enjoyment and effective use of the Preview significantly. Please work on these small details!

  110. Waseem says:

    Awesome work!!

    looks like a lot of things people asked for are included in this version!

    One thing tho,

    a notification center!!

    what if the app tile is all the way at the end of the start screen, u have to go there to see the notification on the tile!! not good enough!

    also wt if the app has no tile and a user missed a notification?

  111. Muaddib says:

    Congrats Steven and all your team(s)!

  112. pmbAustin says:

    Handy Cheat-Sheet for all the new "Windows+Key" combos and short-cuts:

    http://www.winsupersite.com/…/windows-8-consumer-preview-windows-key-keyboard-shortcuts-142358

  113. I see millions jumping ship says:

    The learning curve of all this new crap trying to be different from everyone else is going to hurt you.  It may help you in the long term but I hate the metro interface for non-touch screens it should default back to regular desktop with a Start Button.  seriously try this on non-touch desktops.

    I will not be recommending this OS in its current form. Hope you dedicated feedback givers really tell Microsoft this isn't the way to go, I see a lot of people moving on. If, you change to much and try to be like Apple well if they have to relearn all new stuff again, believe you me they will choose do they want to relearn a Microsoft product OS or try something different as they will most likely feel that the same learning curve will be for both. I think all this is going to do is, make a lot of home users jump ship. I see it in my town and with my clients this isn't doing any good for you. Except for dedicated touch screen interfaces.

  114. pmbAustin says:

    @Karl:

    "Why doesn't my "back"-button on my mouse work in Metro-apps and other instances where it would make sense?"

    I agree that it should.  Please be sure to provide this feedback (not just here).

    "Why do I have to now click three or four times to reach the shutdown-options and move the mouse much further?"

    I agree it should be a lot simpler.  MS has the concept that on tablets, you'd just hit the hard-ware button to put it to sleep (or "connected standby" mode), but for people not using new Win8 hardware, it would really be nice of sleep/hybernate/shutdown were a LOT easier to get to.  Like, right-click while on the start-screen, and have the option in the app bar that pops up (like how you get to the "All Apps" feature now).

    Great feedback, Karl… keep it coming!

  115. PhiliO says:

    Last night, i had a dream : a dream in which Metro is just an awful nighmare that never existed and that i will wake up with a real desktop experience and not a stupid thing for kids …

  116. trold says:

    IE10 sucks, no new features, no improved bookmark manager!!

    Where is the PDF metro application ? I don't want to install adobe reader just to scroll a pdf :(

  117. BrianV says:

    Am I missing something, or is it really not possible to search for apps in the app store?

    I can't imagine they wouldn't add this functionality at some point. They'd better.

  118. Satheesh.net says:

    I've made a step-by-step guide for people using Apple Mac OS and VMware Fusion. Head over to my blog for the article -> http://www.satheesh.net/…/how-to-install-windows-8-on-vmware-fusion

    Good luck! :)

  119. KnightHawk says:

    Sorry gentlemen but you apparently didn't listen at all, epic fail ahead in the enterprise.  

  120. Setup says:

    Windows 8 Consumer Preview 02/29/2012

    Compatibility Report

    Totally useless in my case, the "Need your attention" section had 2 ununderstandable or irrelevant messages: "Remove authorized computer" for iTunes, which is such a critical application these days that surely Windows ought to accomodate it, and "Get updates from Windows Update" for my wireless NIC when I am already up to date according to my Windows 7 installation in both Windows Update and "Update Driver" in Device Manager.

    There are also no links for additional information or automated action, like running Windows Update if an update is really missing, or a link to the web site of the editor or manufacturer.

    But that's really nothing compared to the next step, obtaining a product key. Setup just returned a "Sorry your order didn't go through – Unable to get a product key" message. So I'm stuck at the very beginning. I tried several times.

    Again, no explanation why I couldn't get a product key, no enabled "Back" button, and the only enabled "Next" button produces strictly no action, I had to close and quit Setup.

  121. JS says:

    :P to the separation between Apps, Settings, and Files when you search.  Win7 is so much easier to use–hit the win key, type a few letters, pick the right result with the arrow keys, and you're done.  In Win8, that only searches Apps!  If you want to search files, you have to click "Files", or hit down a couple times, then shift+tab over to the left pane.  What a pain.

    And I really, really dislike the full-screen everything with 50-point text.  It's a waste of my 24" monitor.  I like to multitask.  Win8 makes it significantly harder.  What I really want to see is this:

    1. Bring back Windows 7's Start Menu and search capability

    2. Let me run Metro apps *in Windows*

    3. Put those Windows on the Taskbar

    Seriously, isn't it odd that an operating system named Windows is phasing out…. windows?

  122. Thiago Hickmann says:

    Hi folks,

    I'm downloading now the Windows 8 Server ISO, but I can't find anywhere the hash of the ISO file (8250.0.WINMAIN_WIN8BETA.120217-1520_X64FRE_SERVER_EN-US-HB1_SSS_X64FRE_EN-US_DV5.iso).

    This information is available for the Consumer Preview ISOs, but unfortunately the page for the download of Server version just start the download, without any additional information.

    Do you know where I can find it?

    I'm anxious to get my hands on the Win8 Server. The Hyper-V 3.0 looks very exciting =]

  123. Martín says:

    I really love Desktop, and I got angry when I saw Windows 8 for first time, but now is time to see Windows through Metro eyes. It is the future. You can deny it today, but you will embrace it tomorrow. Cheers.

  124. The new remote desktop application is a joy to use, The video player looks very promising for large collections but..

    Please ensure its got proper file and codec support at the very least tagged mp4 with subtitle support its been standard since 2003 after all.

  125. acidcode says:

    I think they've gone a little bit too far with the betta wallpaper… it looks terrible, rather like it's a toy than a computer I'm using.

  126. Brandon Mills says:

    What would be beautiful is if they kept Metro, kept the Desktop, let you boot to whichever you felt like, and made it so apps had 'Desktop' modes.  

    I gotta say, it's disheartening to see the same comments made over and over again, and Microsoft just keeping on trucking forward, as if somehow when this launches for real, everyone will change their mind and decide they really don't need the Desktop.

    MS, we need the desktop, and we prefer it for desktop computers. The option of running the tablet experience on my PC is amazing. I love it. I think your vision of tablet apps on my 30 inch monitor is misguided. I don't need a 30 inch monitor to view a weather app, or a stock app.

    Stop it before it goes wrong. There has to be *someone* at Microsoft with the foresight to see that this could all end very badly by not listening to user feedback on this one. I happen to be multiply MCITP certified and I've invested a lot into Microsoft technologies. So I of all people want this to be an astounding success.

    Desktop apps aren't disappearing this way. WINDOWS are still desired on the desktop. Fullscreen apps only is a massive step backwards. You have so much potential here, but if you keep insisting that fullscreen metro apps are the only thing to be used on Desktop PCs, you're going to blow it.

  127. Roland says:

    I'd like to see my desktop background picture as the background for the Start screen.

    Please include this as an option. Thanks!

  128. Joop says:

    I really like Metro and the Consumer Preview in general. There are definitely some issues that still need to be fixed to make it better for mouse/keyboard users, but the general approach is a good one I think.

    Also keep I mind that the people not liking the change (even though they've barely given it a prober chance in just a few hours) are probably way more vocal than the people liking the changes, or the people thinking they should improve a bit and be ok.

  129. Fordp says:

    It would be nice if the powers that be (Sinofsky etc) at least took the time to address the near universal hatred of Metro being forced on the desktop and dumbing down of Windows. Instead, every demo is made with touch devices, there has been zero usability testing with normal pc's, they just keep repeating 'made for all devices' like a magic mantra.

    'Ignore the problem and it'll go away' seems to be the motto. Where exactly are the '100,000 changes' since DP?

    Metro apps are a joke. Take forever to launch, limited functionality and a dumbed down UI, don't even support back, and you can't close them. It's like every single release highlights more problems instead of trying to fix them.

  130. Quincy says:

    I love Metro on my Windows Phone, and I imagine I'll like it on a Windows tablet. However, I hate it on my 24" desktop. Most controls are way too large on the latter.

    In addition, controls had great affordance in the "old world". In the new Metro apps, you often don't know if an item is clickable (a control) or just descriptive text. I understand that removing affordance reduces clutter, but it makes grasping the UI (which commands are available, where can I go, etc.) more complicated.

  131. chenwxy@hotmail.com says:

    why make two editions for windows8?????one for pad,one for desktop,

    you know,habit is most difficult to charge。。。。。。。。。。

  132. Brandon Mills says:

    To add to me previous comment -

    My current plans are Windows 8 desktops, Windows 8 tablets, Windows 8 laptops, Windows 8 phones, all commanded by System Center products. I'm super excited about the synergy between all of these. I just think there is a "Steve jobs INSISTS that two buttons on a mice is a bad thing!" error being made, and we're just going to see how long it'll go until it gets addressed.

    I mean, if fullscreen apps on the desktop are so desirable, then I guess everyone must browse the web in fullscreen mode. That's been around for ages, so everyone must be using it right now, right? …right???

  133. Fordp says:

    So I'm in a metro app (not just any app, but the Store), there's a big 'back' icon, and backspace key does nothing. Yes, that's extremely intuitive and friendly!

    Did they bother to do any usability testing with a kb+mouse on this at all? Whose idea was it to have single pixel hotspots with no tooltips, hints or clue.

  134. Windows Fan says:

    Like many, I hate it that I have to switch to the Start screen to launch a program in Windows 8 on a traditional PC. The Start screen feels like having to leave your desk and go to another room each time you want to start using another tool (program). In fact, the Start screen constantly breaks flow for desktop users.

    Please give us a chance to use the start menu again in Windows 8 for launching programs and list all Metro apps in an "Apps" submenu in the start menu to start them.

    Of course, the Start screen is just more than a program launcher as it also displays live tiles and therefore useful information and updates. Therefore, make a prominent link to the Start screen in the reintroduced start menu so that users can easily go there – but don't force it on us! Otherwise, I'm afraid, this single issue might drive millions to the Mac where they find a desktop they don't have to leave over and over again.

  135. bitblt says:

    Did anyone watch the Consumer Preview video on the official Windows 8 site? I think they made pretty clear now that they are primary building a Tablet OS here. You think I'm not right? Well, then just look carefully at it: do you see a mouse pointer anytime during the presentation…? Well, I didn't. All I see are highlighted touch gestures. And the text that is typed is not representative, you never see a cursor so it's just a video animation. Interestingly, there is no hint of the touch keyboard. Maybe not to confuse Desktop users who didn't recognize the absence of the mouse cursor.

    To all power users: What are you complaining about? I mean, what do you expect, this is called a "Consumer" Preview. Windows 8 is not designated to IT professionals.

  136. I must say, I'm impressed with what I've seen after testing the Consumer Preview. While there are still a few interface quirks that need to be fixed and the dual nature of the operating system still isn't as good as Windows Vista/7, you've actually managed to turn Windows 8 into a decent operating system.

    Speaking of interface quirks, why is there still no MFU list in Windows 8?

  137. Michel says:

    "I mean, what do you expect, this is called a "Consumer" Preview. Windows 8 is not designated to IT professionals."

    So, it is crap !

  138. Nate says:

    I installed it on a VM, and on my wife's laptop early this morning. We both used it for our normal stuff all day long. It should also be noted we both have (and absolutley love) Windows Phone 7.

    Reverted the laptop to a Windows Home Server backup from last night, so it's back to normal.

    The biggest issues for her were:

    1) No ability to print in Mail

    2) No Favorites in Immersive IE

    3) No Search from Address Bar in Immersive IE

    4) Not great for multi-tasking. She usually has multiple brower windows open, Windows Live Messenger and Windows Live Mail. While the multiple browsers can be addressed on the regular desktop, in that view there is no way to know if you have new instant messages or emails.

    Overall it was not a great experience.

    From my point of view (as a .NET developer) I was also disappointed. Doing simple things (like printing) seemed impossible. Switching back and forth between the start screen and the desktop (again, in Visual Studio all day long) seemed unnatural. I instant message with my wife all day long (even though we're in the same house, I'm in my office upstairs, so it's just easier) and switching between Visual Studio, to the start screen to get a new IM was a mess. I couldn't stand it.

  139. Dray says:

    Thanks Microsoft lets see if this can kick android ass…

    If anyone wants and alternative link, I've just uploaded it…. (32/64 English)

    back2sq1.net/…/windows-8-32bit

  140. Kiyori says:

    I loathe this, I LOATHE IT.

    on a desktop:

    *the learning curve is ridiculous

    *many people don't like to Alt-Tab, Alt-Tab is inferior to the taskbar

    *why are apps full screen

    *how am I supposed to multitask like this

    *the new start button is horrible

    *the colors of the metro UI are ridiculous, I thought I was having an epilepsy attack

    *it's the exacty opposite of a unified experience

    You people need to LISTEN to your consumer instead of trying to think you know what you're doing, you don't.

  141. Windows 7 user says:

    Sinofsky you should take a look at this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

  142. Rand says:

    There seem to be a LOT of areas in the traditional desktop where clicking a link brings up a Metro styled dialog… that's irritating as I'm operating in the desktop but alright, however when I approve whatever I'm changing it kicks me back to Metro. Why does changing desktop options on the desktop push me into Metro when done?

  143. Daniel says:

    I have an explorer mouse and when I hit the back button on it it doesn't take me back in a metro app but alt+ left arrow does.  This needs to be fixed.

  144. ap21 says:

    You want us to build apps but Windows Store developer registration site is awful, it needs registration code but does not state how to get one.

  145. akelkar says:

    Upgrade installed 32 bit ISO on 6 year old HP Compaq Laptop dv5207TU and logged with my Windows Live ID, now called Microsoft Account. Awesome installation experience. Planning to use only the desktop. Metro seems just a waste of time without touch.

  146. Joanne says:

    Hello Microsoft.  You do realise that nobody with a laptop, desktop or business is ever going to buy this abomination don't you?  

  147. Rand says:

    Why is customization of the desktop almost entirely removed now?

    Aside from changing the transparency and colourization it looks like you're not allowed to alter much anymore.

    There is no way to adjust fonts, border padding, title bar color, etc.

  148. Steve says:

    I'm a developer, so I'll have to use Windows 8, but until I can elect to boot into desktop mode, with a Start MENU, and make a conscious decision to go to the start screen and metro apps, then there is no way that windows 8 will be my primary O/S. Until this is the case, my plan is to stay on Windows 7 as long as I possibly can, and run Windows 8 in a VM when I need to. What a shame!

  149. akelkar says:

    Alt-F4 closes a Metro App. What a relief. . …..

  150. Rich says:

    I have 1000 computers desktops not touch based stuff.   If non touch screens come with no easy start menu button.   I'm going Apple tired of this inconsistent crap.   You change things that have no reason to be changed.  You better start figuring out stuff real fast.   If I have to change this stuff is GPO I'm done.

  151. WINDOWS 8 IS THE NEW VISTA says:

    OSX 10.8 Mountain Lion is superior, it leaves the OSX desktop alone while integrating all the features from iOS, not breaking your workflow. With Metro Start Screen, good luck trying to adapt.

    Ballmer, Sinofsky and the entire Windows team should be fired for Metro Start Screen and Windows 8. MOST UNINTUITIVE CRAP YET SINCE VISTA FAILURE.

    Time to switch to a Mac.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

  152. pmbAustin says:

    This constant harping on the missing "start orb" on the task bar is just continually ridiculous.  You can get to the start screen three different ways:  Windows key on the keyboard (or "Home" button on new Win8 devices), low-left corner, or either corner on the right.  And this is consistent across both Desktop AND Metro apps.  It just works the same.  Seriously, did you even WATCH the videos?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

    The second half is all about the desktop, and it shows how you can do "Search" without covering your desktop with the start screen, among many other things.

  153. Mbu says:

    Great, after running setup and upgrade for ages I am now stuck atna flashing screen that alternates between showing nothing and "please be patient" in German.

    I can't even get to safe mode or restore as pressing F8 does nothing. Smehow the OS is running as I can press Win+p and see the screen selector. But no debugging options is lousy. MS I mnow this is beta, but I have come to expect moremof you.

  154. Gunjan Bansal says:

    Unfortunately switching from Local Account to Microsoft Account gives me error : 0XD000005E (Access Denied ?), I am running from Admin Account locally on VMware with 2 GB ram and 2 Cores. Also i am running windows 8 behind institute proxy server (set entries in netsh/winhttp also. ) Any hints why this might happen ?

  155. Joshua LaForge says:

    Been using it for a few hours tonight with a keyboard and mouse and so far so good. When more Metro apps are released this will be fantastic. Some of the preview apps need better support for keyboard navigation, to mimic common commands like close-window, but I suspect that will come before the final release.

  156. Haters gonna hate.

    But windows 8 is, by far, the most advanced OS out there.  By…. Far….

    FINALLY a tablet that I want to buy!

    I was skeptical as well over 'mixing' metro with desktop.  And to be honest, I still think it's kind strange at some points when on a desktop with non-touch monitors.  BUT…  It was way worse in the DP.  This tells me that you are very dedicated to making the experience as pleasantly as possible.  And you still have another 5-6 months to go.  I'm positive that it'll only improve and that you'll nail it eventually.

    I'm seeing important changes that take away much of my concerns:

    - much better way of navigating between opened metro apps (bar to the left)

    - a way to close them (using a NUI way instead of a button – kinda like that)

    - much better oversight of installed apps due to grouping on the app screen

    and many more.

    It's painfully obvious that we are in the middle of a major paradigm shift of how we use computers and that windows 8 will win that race.  In my eyes: it allready has won.

    My next pc will most definatly be a quad core x86 win8 tablet with a docking holding multiple monitor outputs (and hopefully other fun stuff as well!)

    I don't even care if that tablet with docking runs at 1400 euro's.  Why would I?  It'll be the only device I need!!!

    I won't have to buy a desktop AND/OR a laptop AND a tablet if I want all form factors.  I could just get a tablet with a docking and/or attachable keyboard.  A quality desktop AND a tablet these days will easily run over 2000 euro.  I'll be very happy to get both at 1400! Even 1500!  

    It's….bloody…..amazing.

    It still needs some tweaking here and there, but I'm very excited about the future.  This is gonna work.

  157. Joanne says:

    But that's exactly the point of the 'haters' Aroush.  It's fine for a tablet, but it's useless for people using desktops and laptops for work – e.g. Microsoft's customer base.  

  158. Michel says:

    Sins the developer preview and this new Consumer Preview, when i go to the left border with the mouse Windows 8 freezes up for a minute. Very frustrating, also i was pretty was lost without the start menu, i miss it :(

  159. Another IT Pro says:

    I have to agree with JJBowles, and the other 'haters'. If you can't disable the Metro this will be a non-starter for us. I only manage 100 desktops, but most of my users are in the non-techie, definitely non-keyboard shortcut camp. It's starting to look like Apple might be the way forward for us.

  160. @Joanne: you're missing the point entirely.  It's not useless on a desktop or laptop.  It's just as viable on all systems.  Your desktop is still there.  Everything you can do on win7, you can do on win8.  

    @Another IT Pro: Win8 is actually far easier to use then Win7.  The learning curve of your users will be MUCH MUCH MUCH higher when moving to apple.  Not to mention the cost that comes with it.  Apple computers by themselves allready run at double the price.  You'll also have to buy (or develop) ALL new applications.    Frankly, that would be a very, very stupid move which will only cost you money.

    Here's an idea for you: throw out all your desktops and laptops and get them all tablets with a docking.  Not only will that be cheaper then buying apple machines, you'll have access to ALL the power of windows (active directory, to name a big one) and off course… you'll just be using your current software, so no reinvestment needed there…

    You'll come around, I have no doubt about that.  None whatsoever.

    Download it, install it and use it.  REALLY use it.  And think about the hardware of tomorrow while you do so.

  161. Gordon says:

    I don't want to see any Metroisms at all while working on the desktop. If you don't give us a (simple) way to keep the desktop and iPad/Metro worlds separated, I'm not touching this thing.

  162. I see that "Microsoft Account" is simply the lipstick on the pig of the old billing account – and we still can't change our country of residence, nor (without also deleting our Windows Live ID) get the account deleted to start afresh.

    This would seem to be a contravention of European Directive 95/46/EC, Article 12(b), which states:

    “Member States shall guarantee every data subject (that’s the EU consumer) the right to obtain from the controller (that’s Microsoft): as appropriate the rectification, erasure or blocking of data the processing of which does not comply with the provisions of this Directive, in particular because of the incomplete or inaccurate nature of the data“

    So long as the billing account exists, it will contain inaccurate data – the country of residence – and therefore it does not comply with the provisions of the Directive.

  163. Frenz says:

    I totally love how you can create Metro apps using C#/VB, C++ or even Javascript! Amazing, this has a huge potential!

    But why insist that they should be tablet-only ?

    Yes, I know they'll work on my desktop as well, sort of – but there's no way I bought a 30" monitor to run fullscreen applications – I did it because I need as much room for applications as possible in my Desktop environment.

    Why not allow them to run in windowed mode on the Desktop ? This way, we could actually build productive applications using this fantastic new cross-language/platform API and use them side-by-side with our current native applications!

    I'm afraid that if you insist on the current approach, Metro Apps will be nothing but games and entertainment and tools for Tablets.

    Such a shame.

  164. Mazhar says:

    Overall, Windows 8 has been good so far. Microsoft has worked hard in getting Windows 8 to work in almost all the devices out there whether touch or traditional hardware. But there is one thing…

    I know that Microsoft has a point-of-view of "No compromise" regarding Windows 8 and thus users still have the traditional desktop experience along with the new Tiles Start Screen. It is good, it is fine but the problem is that these two interfaces are actually dividing Windows 8, I mean we are not getting just ONE interface, but TWO. This is the "confusion" in windows 8 that we are getting TWO experiences, one modern (Metro interface) and one old style (Desktop) and because of this, now every product is divided into two. I mean will it not be hard for a company say Mozilla, to develop Firefox browser for the TWO interfaces?

    I hope I have made my point, there is still time for Microsoft to think in which direction they are going. As a Windows user I love Windows 8 and will upgrade when it comes but I am also forced to use the two interfaces even though I only want one, the Metro one (or it may be vice versa). The number of apps that I use in my daily life will also make me in trouble as now I know these apps will also available in metro version in the future, so I am kind of divided as which app environment I want to work in!

    Thanks!

  165. @Steven Sinofsky and Windows UX team, I have a hundred things to say about the Consumer Preview and will do that in the forums later with detailed list of issues. But after this: http://www.social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsdeveloperpreviewgeneral/thread/27314d0a-9c70-4b79-93e7-23fe60e7e374 I would have been very happy if you had made auto sort optional in Explorer :(  I am very disappointed at the Windows team. You obviously don't care about your customers having issues with file management.

  166. Kurt Bugeja says:

    Remove the Metro UI for desktops and bring back the Start button. Metro might be great for tablets but looks odd and feature-less on the desktop.

  167. Its funny how the CP still has such divide between the usable Desktop and the gimmick Metro.

    I was expecting MS would have listened.

    Basically the crucial decision on this OS was made many months ago when a person, or group of persons, decided it would be better to have Desktop as an app of Metro, not Metro as part of the Desktop.

    It was the worst possible decison and one that am expecting will go into history as a failure.

    This would have been so much better that its not even funny:

    http://www.winsupersite.com/…/doesnt-windows-8-141886

    As it is, its a phonetablettouch OS, not a get-some-work-donedesktop OS.

    The backlash from the entreprise customers will be massive.

  168. @Mazhar: use the best tool for the job.  You're not gonna want to do heavy lifting in apps like Visual Studio, Photoshop, etc in a metro application.    

  169. Johannes says:

    I agree with most people here. Metro should be optional for PC and laptop users. I have a huge display and I hate the "full screen start menu".

    But anyway, I don't really think that Microsoft is listening to customer feedback at all. Over at the SkyDrive blog post (blogs.msdn.com/…/connecting-your-apps_2C00_-files_2C00_-pcs-and-devices-to-the-cloud-with-skydrive-and-windows-8.aspx) people have shown a strong demand for keeping Live Mesh's direct p2p device sync. But Microsoft keeps ignoring it and even turned off the comment functionality. I guess it won't take long until the same happens over here….

  170. oddmk79 says:

    I'm testing the CP of Windows 8 and have a problem with the language in some of the Metro apps, for some reason they are displayed in german. I've the location set to Norway and language is set to English and I can not find where to switch language used in Metro apps.

    See here for an example in the Mail app where Language is German, how can I change this to English? sccmguru.files.wordpress.com/…/8cplanguage.png

  171. Neydamn.eu says:

    That is great ! I've installed on my Pc and soon I will write a harsh review on my blog about Windows 8 Consumer Preview : neydamn.eu/…/download-windows-8-consumer-preview

  172. It seems like a step backward from the 'multitasking OS' paradigm for me… Tried it last night on my 24" screen and I just can't shake the feeling that I'm forced into a single task OS…

    Full screens apps don't go well with PCs and laptops.

    I really hope things will work out in the end (my career depends on it), maybe the average users will love it, but as a developer I find it unusable on a desktop PC.

    Cheers!

  173. PeterT. says:

    I am a pro user, my workflow depends on an OS keeps clutter out of my way, that's why I use Windows 7.

    If METRO really happens to Windows 8 on a Desktop Workstation(!) than I have to switch to Apple/OSX… never thougt I would say this!

  174. @PeterT:  It's funny, because on a mac, the clutter is always there (as seen in the screenshots of mountain lion), whereas with windows, you'll only see it when you go to the tile screen.

    Yes, it's gonna take some getting used to.  But it doesn't take long.  Used it for about an hour yesterday and allready found myself being just as efficient as on win7 – MORE efficient in some cases even.

  175. Transis says:

    Please make the metro style works with mouse like windows phone emulator.

    WITHOUT SCROOL

  176. I have installed at home and still not very usable with Mouse + Keyboard. At beginning i thought was just a matter to adapt myself but no, the interface is counter intuitive to use with mouse and keyboard. Lots of work is still needed in this area!

    Other thing, try to install some application that creates a lot of shotcurts on Start Menu on Windows 8…. The start screen become a MESS!

  177. PeterT. says:

    @Aroush: I have used it already for a few hours yesterday to simulate my workflow with a few Desktop-Applications (Adobe, Coding IDE, Mail, Browser etc.) on a DellU2711 Monitor (2.560 x 1.440).

    - Metro apps in fullscreen in such a big resolution just look stupid and ugly (fonts, images).

    - Also the new fullscreen startmenu just looks not right in this resolution, its another world.

    - If I open a PDF in Desktop mode it jumps into the MetroPDF Reader in fullscreen, terrible! But hey…. finally a native PDFReader :-/

    - IE10 Metro and IE10 Desktop doesn't share history, bookmarks, etc., annoying!

    - If I want to cycle just through my Desktop Applications with Alt+Tab, I also HAVE to cycle through all open Metro apps, very bad!

    - And so on…

    For me as an productive environment on an big Screen with Mouse and Keyboard it is just a disaster.

    Maybe a company for professional tools (Adobe, Autodesk, Maxon, etc.) will show us a great benefit for a production workflow with their new generation of applications and a proper Metro implementation of them. But this is doubtable.

  178. tjaldid says:

    WE WANT, WE WANT BLU-RAY,

    SINGING WE WANT, WE WANT BLU-RAY…

  179. TIM says:

    UI:

    Metro, Metro, Metro…

    There is good Metro and bad Metro.

    There are good things with a minimalistic approach and bad things. Like everything.

    Zune for Desktop, is for me an amazing looking app. It's clean, minimalist, smooth. You name it.

    windows phone apps are great. The hubs are really great. IMDB, people hub, pictures hub. Amazing. Even windows 8 apps are good, well some of them. Office 15 great UI. Look at this, staggering stunning:

    http://www.theverge.com/…/windows-desktop-ui-concept

    Its truly a piece of art. I like the current Desktop, but just to show you what's Metro on his best. Its shines. It make OSx look like DOS.

    On the other end… Then there is the start screen of windows 8. Over-minimalist on forms (squares, white ugly over-simple icons inside tiles) and non at all minimalistic and mesh of plain colors…

    When you open an app like Mail, the splash screen with the big white envelope and the green full background, that's a terrible, terrible vision with extreme poorly minimalist execution. That's what giving Metro bad repution with the mesh of colored home screen tiles. Childish and horrible, people say. They right. On the other hand some apps like Bing Weather are a nice implementation of Metro and minimalism. windows phone hubs another example. Minimalism with subtly and taste. Professional and modern they say. They're right.

    Windows Phone homescreen its way better. The home of wp7 its if not particulary stunning its consistent. The same color. Some tiles are nice to look at, some +/-. There is a mix between minimalism and other richer tiles like pictures and other apps.

    MS are you aware that screenshots of the start screen arent appealing AT ALL? I had the same feeling with wp. The screenshots with the big squares are not appealing ugly. After trying i loved. It seemed great. More then look it feels great. On other side windows 8 screenshots are even more 'i dont wanna try THAT!!!'. And the mouse experience wont give then awarded feeling.

    Metro homescreen its more of an stunning smooth, fluid experience then a visual one. And on wp or w8 tablet you could feel and enjoy it. On a Desktop its not at all an pleasent experience, because there is no touching feeling of fluidity. You just stick with the visual one… Again on wp it can be an interesting one if you choose the right tiles. Not so much on w8. You'll have to get more subtle on more elegant on W9. I am talking only on homescreen. The Metro apps UI are nice.

    I think that if you think windows8 might help wp sales, well it can bury it also for good. You have to be carefull. Windows 8 homescreen is not giving Metro a good name. At least on the desktop. And especially the screenshots you guys are putting with a mesh of colors.

    Usability:

    You have to learn 2 different languages. Its like when you are living in a different country but in your house you speak your native one. You use it both on a day basis. Sometimes you just mix words between them. You use words of one language when you are speaking the other. That's how i feel when i am on Desktop apps and then go to Metro apps. Its like my brain gets confused lots of time…

    But in reality its more like 4 languages… Because you have 2 different approaches for 2 different types.

    You have mouse and keyboard working diferently for Metro and Desktop and touch the same way. So 4 languages… Well they are 2 languages but they are crossed… languages in the brain should be associated with the input type. You can't say Desktop is an app like other on Metro, then the user interface its totally diferent.

    It should be more consistely inside the input type. For instance, for closing Metro apps with the mouse and keyboard. You could close it with Alt+F4, nice. That's good for keyboard. Consistency. And for mouse? People almost always use the mouse to close apps. People use the X. They can drag down the app now. Too much of mouse movement, and a different way (2 different languages).

    The terrible experience of how the hell i get out of here, now. Both for minimize or get out of here? you just press every key and everything until are safe again.

    Why not go to the upper right corner of the app and the X button would appear and also the minimize button. They would appear only when you are on mouse, ONLY. Like the charms appear, the X(close) and _(minimize) would appear. They may not be there by default, but would appear. They WONT appear with touch. On the other hand on Desktops apps you should be able to close apps for instance photoshop dragging the app down with touch. That would make consistent. You could do that with the Desktop, but you should also do that with Desktop apps. Because they are apps right?  Desktop is an app to you. But how you consider Desktop apps? Sub-apps? Spooky… Or if just another app just like Desktop because they can be pinned to start screen they should also be dragged down on touch… On that way you could have an interface that is consistent across the OS even if apps are not exactly of the same kind.

    I also think its too much of a learning curve. Too much complexity. Too many movements for people to learn with mouse and keyboard. People are lazy by nature and dont like change. Windows 8 is a huge change. People complain before trying, how would you expect they learn a new interface for days? Patience? I mean power users can do that. The ones who use the computer a lot. But not casual users…

    I believe in the end MS will understand maybe on Windows 9 if not before and in a good or bad way that they cant force Metro on Desktop users. They have to give users control. If they want they use it. If not they dont. I am 100% certain of it.

  180. gordon says:

    "Other thing, try to install some application that creates a lot of shotcurts on Start Menu on Windows 8…. The start screen become a MESS! "

    Yep: i44.tinypic.com/aer0qa.png

    Do they really expect us to use this thing?

  181. Stephen Kellett says:

    Start screen. "cmd". Opens a command prompt. Good.

    Start screen. "cmd". Does not open a command prompt – just takes me back to the first command prompt.

    So now Windows 8 knows better than I what I want to do. I wanted a second command prompt. Gah! This is such rubbish.

    Stop trying to tell us how to use the computer. Give us the start menu back and let us control the desktop experience like we want to.

  182. Stephen Kellett says:

    Start screen. "cmd". Opens a command prompt. Good.

    Start screen. "cmd". Does not open a command prompt – just takes me back to the first command prompt.

    So now Windows 8 knows better than I what I want to do. I wanted a second command prompt. Gah! This is such rubbish.

    Stop trying to tell us how to use the computer. Give us the start menu back and let us control the desktop experience like we want to.

  183. Anders Eggers-Krag says:

    I love Metro it's brilliant, i'm getting a tablet to replace my iPad2 as soon as they hit the shelves, i love it on my windows phone, and i have used both iOS and Android extensively. I love the developer experience for Metro, its way better than any other i have ever tried (i have developed a lot for both iOS and Android).

    While Microsoft would probably benefit from shipping a copy of "Who Moved My Cheese?" with each windows 8 license, i'm not one of those change averse persons. I used windows 98 from the early betas, i used windows 2000 betas when they were still called NT 5, i switched to Vista when it first came out and unlike most people i loved it, it was a great improvement over XP, sure there were issues but overall it was better, and when windows 7 came out i switched again from day one, and i was rather hoping i might be able to start using this preview as my main OS now.

    And after a little thinking i'm even starting to like Metro for windows server – it might actually make it way easier to remote control severs from tablets and such, and what i usually do on servers fits pretty well into the metro experience.

    But – and i'm sure you saw this but coming a mile away – for my everyday professional use, i cannot live with using one application at a time, at this moment i'm on my Mac where i have 8 open windows (i think… OSX really isn't very good at this) and one of those windows is a remote desktop with my windows workstation in it, running 3 instances of visual studio and 7 other windows. (iOS app with Azure + Sql Azure backend).

    If i had to do this work one app at a time (or two side by side) my TTM would be abysmal (right now i can see relevant content from 6 different windows).

    Now you may say just use the desktop part of windows 8 and thats all well and good but if someone makes a nifty metro app i can't use that without going fullscreen on that app leaving all my work behind, and i'm going to miss the start menu that let me find rarely used apps and start them as needed without being too intrusive. If i'm working on something and i need the calculator having to hit the windows key getting a massive full screen app typing in calc or scrolling five screens over to find it and then being sent back to my desktop with the calculator, assuming that i managed to choose the one that actually does that and not one that gives me a fullscreen calculator with buttons so big i could press them with the palm of my hand (yeah, there is no metro calculator yet but you get my point).

    Thing is the solution to all this agony is simple:

    1) let me run metro apps in a window

    2) give me some way to access my apps that doesn't hijack my entire screen, could be a start menu or some new fancy invention its not really important.

    Oh and it would be nice if i could choose to make the desktop mode my primary mode on my workstation – i promise to use the metro interface on my tablet and my phone and maybe even my touch enabled ultrabook.

  184. The graphical design looks great, but the gestures aren't natural and intuitive – they are too complex and too hard to remember. Therefore Win 8 has a bad usability. (with improvements in this sector the usability would be great.)

    One example for the usage with mouse / trackpad:

    Placing the pointer in the lower left corner let this thumb of the homescreen appear. In the upper left corner the thumb of the last app. If you want a switcher with all recently used apps you have to place the pointer in the upper left corner and then go down at the left edge. Far too complex!

    Better:

    make the whole left edge (incl. both left corners) open the switcher. With the thumb of homescreen at bottom and thumb of last app on top. Then you get the switcher with one simple mouse-gesture and who wants to be in the right position for last app when the switcher appears can still go in the corner, because that thumb is still there.

    Same with the charms-bar at the right edge…

    And there are more inconsistent, complex and hard to use gestures in both – touch-use and mouse- / trackpad-use.

  185. stevember says:

    Back to Windows 7 and I love it more today than I did yesterday morning.

    I hated XP users that complained about Vista and Windows 7.

    Unfortunately, with this Win 8 CP I am now one of those people I hated.

    Unless they bring back the start menu, allow us to disable Metro or come up with some miraculous way they work together which I cannot see possible and I don't think they can either otherwise they would have done it I will be sticking with Windows 7.

    I have an idea.

    Make Windows 8 for touch devices.

    Give us a 2nd edition Windows 7 with the new task manager, increase speeds, copying dialogues and explorer.

    I would be happy to pay a reasonable upgrade fee.

  186. Fandorin says:

    Dear Microsoft

    I do not want to make a rumour, but the first initial battery test results of Windows 8  preview versus Windows 7 preview version performed on the latest mobile Intel Sandy Bridge Core i7-2820QM platform are terrrible:

    http://www.anandtech.com/…/windows-8-consumer-preview-a-quick-look-at-battery-life

    I hope that the problem lies somewhere else than OS and further AnandTech tests will confirm it.

  187. PeterT. says:

    Anders Eggers-Krag said:  "If i'm working on something and i need the calculator having to hit the windows key getting a massive full screen app typing in calc or scrolling five screens over to find it and then being sent back to my desktop with the calculator, assuming that i managed to choose the one that actually does that and not one that gives me a fullscreen calculator with buttons so big i could press them with the palm of my hand (yeah, there is no metro calculator yet but you get my point)."

    I know exactly ehat you mean! It just doesn't work!

  188. Stephen Kellett says:

    Why have you disabled third part start menus? The fact that some of us are using them should tell you something.

    What do you lose by preventing us from using the computer the way we want to use the computer? Satisfied users that can live with a working 3rd party start menu.

    What do you gain by pissing us off (sorry, but that is how I feel about this)? Nothing.

    No start menu -> not going to purchase, not going to recommend. I'm willing to work around you if I can.

    But I'm not going to be forced into a way of working that I have no interest in.

  189. Stephen Kellett says:

    Why have you disabled third part start menus? The fact that some of us are using them should tell you something.

    What do you lose by preventing us from using the computer the way we want to use the computer? Satisfied users that can live with a working 3rd party start menu.

    What do you gain by pissing us off (sorry, but that is how I feel about this)? Nothing.

    No start menu -> not going to purchase, not going to recommend. I'm willing to work around you if I can.

    But I'm not going to be forced into a way of working that I have no interest in.

  190. A detail, but an important one:

    Windows always was annoying when the user wants to type an en-dash or em-dash instead of normal dash / hyphen. Word has this auto-correction, but 1. this doesn't work systemwide and 2. this doesn't work when inserting or changing such a hyphen between existing words.

    Why not make a shortcut, that is standard in other OSs for directly typing an en-dash or an em-dash. The most common and easy to remember is Ctrl+"normal dash" for en-dash and Ctrl+Shift+"normal dash" for em-dash.

    There is something similar in Windows with the minus on the separate number-block. But 1. en-dash and em-dash are derived from the hyphen-dash not from the mathematical minus. 2. It is annoying to switch to the separate number-block while writing a text. And 3. not every keyboard has a separate number-block, e.g. on laptops.

    Easy shortcuts for en-dash and em-dash (Ctrl+hyphen / Ctrl+shift+hyphen – not (!) the minus on the number-keypad) would be a big advantage and improvement. It seems a detail, but a very important one for many users.

  191. Guilherme says:

    I would like to be able to see two metro apps at the same time when working on multiple monitors, there could be a way to drag an Metro app to the next monitor (like holding the mouse on the top to close it, or touching the top) and keep another metro app in the first monitor. Same thing with the snap app feature, you should be able to snap at least one Metro app in each monitor.

    Maybe include a mode where you could have only "snaped" apps in a monitor, maybe three or four, would be very usefull to replace the common behavior of having more than on classic window open.

  192. Stephen Kellett says:

    @pmbAustin

    >Nothing for desktop users has been improved" … really?  

    Yes, really. I'm talking about the Desktop user experience.

    >"Search is super clunky and inefficient to use."  … really?  Hit the windows key and start typing.  Boom.  Done.

    Wrong. I'm talking about wanting to search for a particular file with particular content and possible specific date range.

    That was trivial and easy with XP. Now with Deskotp search I have to open an explorer library. Start a search that I know will fail (because that is the only way to get to customize it) Then customize it using the clunky ribbon bar. This stuff takes seconds to do on XP. And probably a minute or more on Windows 8.

    "This is a serious downgrade in functionality compared to Windows 7 or Windows XP"  How so?  

    I've already explained. The user experience for desktop users is not even as good as for Windows 7.

    >And no start menu?  What do you think the Start Screen is?  

    A start screen, not a start menu. It doesn't behave the same. It takes up too much space. Its a context switch. Its visually incomptabile with the desktop.

    I'm not interested in the Windows key being important on new Windows 8 devices. I'll learn how to use a new device if I choose to purchase on. I'm almost certain to get a Windows 8 tablet.

    I'm interested in my PC being useful now. I'm completely uninterested in being forced to work in an inefficient way just because some people think they know what is best for me. Hint. They do not. I'm interested in working efficiently and effectively (as I do now). Want Windows Key shortcuts? Yes I don't know them because I don't need to. YOu think filling you head with this stuff is clever and geeky whereas I stopped filling my head with needless stuff years ago. I don't know them. I don't want to know them. I'm more than happy using the start menu. I'm seriously effective at my job at the moment. On Windows 8 I'm dead in the water. Doing everything has gone from being easy (XP), OK on Windows 7 (due to the downgraded search experience on 7) to very slow an ineffective on Windows 8.

    You don't know what I'm complaining about because you think change for changes sake is a good idea. Has it occurred to you that there are many ways to get a job done and that perhaps they way you get things done is not the most effective for other people? I'm not asking you to work the way I do, but you are telling me to work the way you do. No thanks.

  193. TIM says:

    @Anders Eggers-Krag Google Desktop. Deskbar Mode. Perfect replacement of start-button. Google delivers.

  194. Lynn says:

    Just would be nice if the Switcher thumbnail behaved like the thumbnails in the taskbar. I think when people see the thumbnail popup they are going to move the cursor over to the right to click on it. When they move the cursor the thumbnail will go away. Just seems weird to me.

    I love everything else about Windows 8 so far. Running smooth here.

  195. TIM says:

    @Stephen Kellett What do you mean with disable 3rd party start menu? Can you give me an example?

    Apps wont install?

  196. A small suggestion: the search results categorisation could be improved by altering the default from "apps" in all cases. If a search returns 0 apps results, but has results in another category such as settings, can that category of results be shown rather than a blank screen i.e. type "control", currently control panel is not found. If the reason this is not done is a choice because it could confuse the user ;) then as soon as any search results are found in "apps", simply show these again as ranked more highly.

    And please improve MS forums and blog software… posting/signing in doesn't refresh correctly and just try viewing MSDN magazine articles on a mobile browser!

    Enjoying the CP so far on my laptop but seriously want a magic touchpad now!

  197. hgirma says:

    You have to get the Start button back.. Otherwise it's a compromise.. Classic users compromise to Metro users. You have to think of the following situation. How can one stay withing Classic if they want to? There has to be some sort of launcher when in the desktop to launch other desktop apps.. A much better version of this http://www.pcmag.com/…/0,2817,2399854,00.asp

    One should be able to launch Metro or Desktop apps from this start button.. that way users can do as they please.. right now, it's somewhat imposed on them..

  198. Stephen Kellett says:

    @TIM

    Classic StartMenu and others like it. These all worked in the Developer Preview. They were great because you could actually get some work done. But they don't work for Consumer Preview. This install but don't work. Looks like the Windows team went out of their way to force their way of working on those of us that want to use the Desktop efficiently and effectively.

  199. Stephen Kellett says:

    @TIM

    Classic StartMenu and others like it. These all worked in the Developer Preview. They were great because you could actually get some work done. But they don't work for Consumer Preview. This install but don't work. Looks like the Windows team went out of their way to force their way of working on those of us that want to use the Desktop efficiently and effectively.

  200. Stephen Kellett says:

    @pmbAustin

    >Nothing for desktop users has been improved" … really?  

    Yes, really. I'm talking about the Desktop user experience.

    I started on a Vic-20, C-64, Atari-ST, 80486 (running Windows and Linux) and have used every version of Windows since 2.0 (utter crap). I've also used MSDOS/Windows PCs and Unix Workstations since the 1988. I'm not averse to change. I jumped from X Windows to Microsoft Windows about 1996. But this change? This change doesn't work. It is a complete failure.

    >"Search is super clunky and inefficient to use."  … really?  Hit the windows key and start typing.  Boom.  Done.

    Wrong. I'm talking about wanting to search for a particular file with particular content and possible specific date range.

    That was trivial and easy with XP. Now with Deskotp search I have to open an explorer library. Start a search that I know will fail (because that is the only way to get to customize it) Then customize it using the clunky ribbon bar. This stuff takes seconds to do on XP. And probably a minute or more on Windows 8. It completely breaks your "flow". If you don't know what "flow" is then you don't know how important it is not to break it. Google it.

    "This is a serious downgrade in functionality compared to Windows 7 or Windows XP"  How so?  

    I've already explained. The user experience for desktop users is not even as good as for Windows 7.

    I am not talking about the huge list of reasons you gave which are the great improvements to the internals of Windows 8.

    >And no start menu?  What do you think the Start Screen is?  

    A start screen, not a start menu. It doesn't behave the same. It takes up too much space. Its a context switch. Its visually incomptabile with the desktop and too slow. I don't give a monkeys about the nice graphic animations. Gimmicks. I was looking for a program I'd installed only a few minutes earlier. Took me ages to find it. Start menu I'd have found it easily (all the many items would have been in a submenu with parent having an obvious name). Sorry, does not work. Windows XP menu better than Windows 7 menu for this as well (also agreed by the Windows 8 team in a blog comment).

    The other problem with the start screen is that because its Metro anything I do here I expect to do in Metro land. Just as anything I do on the desktop I expect to do in desktop land. So going to the start screen, typing cmd I don't expect to end up back on the desktop with a command prompt. I expected a Metro command prompt. Imagine my disappointment when I tried launching a second command prompt. Failed. It just took me to the first command prompt. Thats woefully bad. This is the computer knowing better than I what I want to do. Sorry, but no, I know what I want to do. Get out of my way and let me do it.

    >This constant harping on the missing "start orb" on the task bar is just continually ridiculous.  You can get to the start screen >three different ways:

    The thing that is ridiculous is you not understanding the complaint. Its blatantly obvious. People don't want the start screen. They want the start menu. They are different things. Its like me giving you a pear when asked for an apple. Seriously did you even understand the words people wrote complaining about this? Stop being a fan boy and start paying attention to the people that have very real concerns about the direction this is going.

    I don't want to enter Metro land to start programs, to search, to do anything. It should all be done from the desktop. Then I can work in desktop land. And if I'm in Metro I can work in Metro land. And one specific command in each environment would allow me to switch between them. Of course for the desktop, you do all these things from the Start Menu. Which no longer exists. Which is why there is so much push back on this.

    Apparently the corners are the most easily found things with the mouse. Except when you're multiscreen. #fail.

    I'm not interested in the Windows key being important on new Windows 8 devices. I'll learn how to use a new device if I choose to purchase one. I'm almost certain to get a Windows 8 tablet. And I'll use it as a tablet and use Metro.

    I'm using my PC to do desktop work. I don't want to use Metro. At all. For anything. It is not required. I just want a workable desktop environment. Metro is irrelevant to anything I do.

    I'm interested in my PC being useful now. I'm completely uninterested in being forced to work in an inefficient way just because some people think they know what is best for me. Hint. They do not. I'm interested in working efficiently and effectively (as I do now). Want Windows Key shortcuts? Yes I don't know them because I don't need to. YOu think filling you head with this stuff is clever and geeky whereas I stopped filling my head with needless stuff years ago. I don't know them. I don't want to know them. I'm more than happy using the start menu. I'm seriously effective at my job at the moment. On Windows 8 I'm dead in the water. Doing everything has gone from being easy (XP), OK on Windows 7 (due to the downgraded search experience on 7) to very slow an ineffective on Windows 8.

    You don't know what I'm complaining about because you think change for changes sake is a good idea. Has it occurred to you that there are many ways to get a job done and that perhaps they way you get things done is not the most effective for other people? I'm not asking you to work the way I do, but you are telling me to work the way you do. No thanks.

    Have you noticed that I'm not attacking Metro? I'm not saying how (insert derogatory term) it is. That is because I care about one thing: Having an effective desktop environment to work in. A start menu, effective search (as described above). Basically Windows 7 user interface with Windows XP search user interface and all the good Windows 8 internals.

    @Brandon Mills

    The mistake Steven Sinofsky and his team are making is they view the people that want the desktop as detractors or Metro and have gone hardline on it. I'm not a Metro detractor and I double most people are. Most people just want a usable desktop. Out of the box. We haven't got one in Windows 8. Not even close. I could get more done out of the box with Slackware Linux from 1994 and that is saying something.

    Given that Steven Sinofsky is #3 inside Microsoft its safe to say that Microsoft is headed for a train wreck with this. I suspect the only way to fix this is to ensure that major shareholders and fund managers know just what the professional community think of these productivity "improvements". Perhaps then we can prevent the disaster that will happen if the Desktop ships as is. Its Vista 2.0 in the making (the irony being that Sinofsky recovered Vista 1.0 by creating Windows 7).

  201. Stephen Kellett says:

    @pmbAustin

    >Nothing for desktop users has been improved" … really?  

    Yes, really. I'm talking about the Desktop user experience.

    I started on a Vic-20, C-64, Atari-ST, 80486 (running Windows and Linux) and have used every version of Windows since 2.0 (utter crap). I've also used MSDOS/Windows PCs and Unix Workstations since the 1988. I'm not averse to change. I jumped from X Windows to Microsoft Windows about 1996. But this change? This change doesn't work. It is a complete failure.

    >"Search is super clunky and inefficient to use."  … really?  Hit the windows key and start typing.  Boom.  Done.

    Wrong. I'm talking about wanting to search for a particular file with particular content and possible specific date range.

    That was trivial and easy with XP. Now with Deskotp search I have to open an explorer library. Start a search that I know will fail (because that is the only way to get to customize it) Then customize it using the clunky ribbon bar. This stuff takes seconds to do on XP. And probably a minute or more on Windows 8. It completely breaks your "flow". If you don't know what "flow" is then you don't know how important it is not to break it. Google it.

    "This is a serious downgrade in functionality compared to Windows 7 or Windows XP"  How so?  

    I've already explained. The user experience for desktop users is not even as good as for Windows 7.

    I am not talking about the huge list of reasons you gave which are the great improvements to the internals of Windows 8.

    >And no start menu?  What do you think the Start Screen is?  

    A start screen, not a start menu. It doesn't behave the same. It takes up too much space. Its a context switch. Its visually incomptabile with the desktop and too slow. I don't give a monkeys about the nice graphic animations. Gimmicks. I was looking for a program I'd installed only a few minutes earlier. Took me ages to find it. Start menu I'd have found it easily (all the many items would have been in a submenu with parent having an obvious name). Sorry, does not work. Windows XP menu better than Windows 7 menu for this as well (also agreed by the Windows 8 team in a blog comment).

    The other problem with the start screen is that because its Metro anything I do here I expect to do in Metro land. Just as anything I do on the desktop I expect to do in desktop land. So going to the start screen, typing cmd I don't expect to end up back on the desktop with a command prompt. I expected a Metro command prompt. Imagine my disappointment when I tried launching a second command prompt. Failed. It just took me to the first command prompt. Thats woefully bad. This is the computer knowing better than I what I want to do. Sorry, but no, I know what I want to do. Get out of my way and let me do it.

    >This constant harping on the missing "start orb" on the task bar is just continually ridiculous.  You can get to the start screen >three different ways:

    The thing that is ridiculous is you not understanding the complaint. Its blatantly obvious. People don't want the start screen. They want the start menu. They are different things. Its like me giving you a pear when asked for an apple. Seriously did you even understand the words people wrote complaining about this? Stop being a fan boy and start paying attention to the people that have very real concerns about the direction this is going.

    I don't want to enter Metro land to start programs, to search, to do anything. It should all be done from the desktop. Then I can work in desktop land. And if I'm in Metro I can work in Metro land. And one specific command in each environment would allow me to switch between them. Of course for the desktop, you do all these things from the Start Menu. Which no longer exists. Which is why there is so much push back on this.

    Apparently the corners are the most easily found things with the mouse. Except when you're multiscreen. #fail.

    I'm not interested in the Windows key being important on new Windows 8 devices. I'll learn how to use a new device if I choose to purchase one. I'm almost certain to get a Windows 8 tablet. And I'll use it as a tablet and use Metro.

    I'm using my PC to do desktop work. I don't want to use Metro. At all. For anything. It is not required. I just want a workable desktop environment. Metro is irrelevant to anything I do.

    I'm interested in my PC being useful now. I'm completely uninterested in being forced to work in an inefficient way just because some people think they know what is best for me. Hint. They do not. I'm interested in working efficiently and effectively (as I do now). Want Windows Key shortcuts? Yes I don't know them because I don't need to. YOu think filling you head with this stuff is clever and geeky whereas I stopped filling my head with needless stuff years ago. I don't know them. I don't want to know them. I'm more than happy using the start menu. I'm seriously effective at my job at the moment. On Windows 8 I'm dead in the water. Doing everything has gone from being easy (XP), OK on Windows 7 (due to the downgraded search experience on 7) to very slow an ineffective on Windows 8.

    You don't know what I'm complaining about because you think change for changes sake is a good idea. Has it occurred to you that there are many ways to get a job done and that perhaps they way you get things done is not the most effective for other people? I'm not asking you to work the way I do, but you are telling me to work the way you do. No thanks.

    Have you noticed that I'm not attacking Metro? I'm not saying how (insert derogatory term) it is. That is because I care about one thing: Having an effective desktop environment to work in. A start menu, effective search (as described above). Basically Windows 7 user interface with Windows XP search user interface and all the good Windows 8 internals.

    @Brandon Mills

    The mistake Steven Sinofsky and his team are making is they view the people that want the desktop as detractors or Metro and have gone hardline on it. I'm not a Metro detractor and I double most people are. Most people just want a usable desktop. Out of the box. We haven't got one in Windows 8. Not even close. I could get more done out of the box with Slackware Linux from 1994 and that is saying something.

    Given that Steven Sinofsky is #3 inside Microsoft its safe to say that Microsoft is headed for a train wreck with this. I suspect the only way to fix this is to ensure that major shareholders and fund managers know just what the professional community think of these productivity "improvements". Perhaps then we can prevent the disaster that will happen if the Desktop ships as is. Its Vista 2.0 in the making (the irony being that Sinofsky recovered Vista 1.0 by creating Windows 7).

  202. mayhemm88 says:

    First of all, Wow… I must say that the OS has been improved drastically since the Developer Preview.  Metro support with mouse and keyboard is 100% better. However, I still have some constructive criticism.

    - There are many inconsistencies between the two interfaces… for example, in Desktop your "Task-Switcher" is the taskbar. It is located at the bottom of the screen.  In metro, the task switcher is on the left-hand side.  This should be moved to the bottom as well so that it is consistent.  Also,  there needs to be a way to get to the power settings directly from the charms bar. There are some unecessary clicks/swipes involved to shut the computer down, for example.

    - Close and Minimize buttons are needed in metro applications.  It is still tricky to close applications with a keyboard and mouse.

    - I know this has been said a thousand times, but let people who want a classic start menu have their Windows 7 style start button.  It is as simple as adding a GPO and a setting under taskbar "show classic start button" for example.  Now more than ever, this is a viable option because users are able to switch to the start screen/metro with the charms bar.

    - Get rid of the start-screen thumbnail preview, and make the charms bar the only way to get to the start screen.  It is incredibly annoying if you are trying to click the first icon on the taskbar, and instead you get the start screen because of the thumbnail.

    - Mousing over ANY part of the charms bar (not just the upper right hand corner) should bring up the charms bar.  Hot corners are over-rated.  This should be a timed event. For example, if you hover your mouse over the charms bar, it should come up after 2 seconds… This is more in line with web standards anyways so it would be less jarring to users to make this change.

    - In search show results from ALL categories by default. It is annoying to have to click "settings" if you are searching for say, control panel or Device Manager. Let the user filter the results themselves. (by clicking APPS, FILES or SETTINGS) before searching.

    That is all for now, I will continue to post suggestions as I dive farther into Windows 8.

  203. pramod says:

    windows 8 consumer preview is simply awesome… I have installed it and it seems way better than the developer preview….

    Congratulations to the windows team on a really creative piece of product called windows 8, kudos!!

  204. hgirma says:

    How about this…. each user can decide his experience..  some may want to log into desktop only, some on metro only.. others in mix mode (which you have now)

    this can be part of the user preference with the ability the user to change it during login. this is by far the most flexible option.. this gives users the power.. they choose how to use it.

    After a reboot, when I'm prompted to login, I can choose my experience.

    Metro

    Desktop

    Mix Mode

    Users can choose a default and not have to make that choice each time etc..

  205. GregH says:

    I found the only accessible way to personalize the start menu colours was to click on my picture and choose’ Change profile picture’ whilst the setting s are in there – it doesn’t make sense.

    Fairly disappointed that you expect me to wander my mouse cursor into the corner of screens like some game trying to uncover the lucky charms – makes me want to cry, it really makes me want to cry. What is wrong with you people – have you lost your mind! scrap your most identifiable brand symbol and then scrap the Start button – are you sure you’re not being sabotaged by competitors in house! I thought it was a hoax – I am shocked!

    Some of the worst things I could have ever imagined are happening to my favourite OS – you had better start doing something fast about this desktop issue – people are not happy- I repeat! people are not happy! this has to be obvious to you – you cannot expect your professional users to support such a terrible desktop upgrade, there is absolutely no improvement for desktop use.

    If you are going to create a ribbon, at least make the design favourable amongst other ribbons designs in your company like Office, honestly Steven you are not doing your job properly if you think this ribbon and desktop UI is ready for release, seriously have a good long think about it! Admit it you have failed your largest user base.

    You have no idea the damage in which you are causing – you really don’t – you can expect to see millions of people trying a new OS next year simply because you can’t be bothered to make desktop use a priority. Full and continues touch in a professional environment is years away and you expect us all to adopt it or suffer a bad experience.

    Shame on you for alienating the majority of your loyal fan base and providing them with a downgrade this year in favour of you beloved little tablet and app experiment.

  206. JS says:

    A bug in Remote Desktop:  the "could not connect" error message does not focus the OK button.  You have to tab before you can dismiss it with the keyboard.

  207. Peter223 says:

    Drives have to be formatted as NTFS to make them work with Storage Spaces.

    What means the error: "Separated, remove drive" ? There seems to be no option to remove a drive from the pool and rebuld it. You would have to delete the whole pool or reformat the drive on another PC?

    I don't know how stable to pools are, but I love the functionality up until now. This is a great addition to Windows!

  208. GregH says:

    Steve Ballmer – Idiot! 1. for changing brand and 2. for letting them destroy desktop usability.  You can put it right just in time and save your market share – remember it can happen! why would you risk it! Sort these problems out swiftly! Or this time next year we will be seeing OS X sales go through the roof, please God no…

  209. GregH says:

    A subtle modernisation of the brand would have suffice – please rollback!

  210. JS says:

    The hot corners are not working well.  I move to the lower-left corner and the "Start" square appears, but the instant I move the mouse, it disappears.  I can't click it.  Same thing happens in the top-left.  It's really annoying.

  211. I have to say that I have the same sad feelings about Windows 8 that many of the other posters have expressed here.  Typically a new OS gives me about a week or so of pain before I become familiar with it.  XP, Mac OS X, Windows 7 all abused me quite a bit at first.  Therefore after only and evening and morning I must temper my feelings about Windows 8.  I'm pretty familiar with Windows 7 and I used the W8 DP for a few weeks so the latest Consumer Preview came as less of a surprise.

    As a desktop OS W8 is hideous.  Sure there are many enhancements and improvements to W7 but the lack of a fully functional W7 desktop is a nonstarter. Metro might be fine for small screens but not for desktop computing.  Clicking a Metro tile results in my 24in display becoming a massively bright orange or green formless rectangle with an incredibly large and fugly (not just ugly) icon that looks like an amateur designed it.

    If I were in a sarcastic mood I'd say that the Microsoft decided to get all Apple-like and jet off to some new paradigm.  Instead of Lion's ugly, flat icons Metro uses uglier white ones.  Instead of iOS's rounded, colorful, artistic icons Metro uses god-awful boring, formless rectangles. Instead of adding iOS features to OS X Windows 8 separates itself into desktop and Metro sub OSs.

    I'm right on the fence trying to decide if my future chief OS is going to be Windows or Mac and which phone I'm going to replace my aging iPhone 3Gs with.  It looks to me like the Windows 8 team members have purchased way to much Apple stock. I really feel uneasy about the future of Windows with the average consumers in the face of Apple's explosion in the market.

  212. JS says:

    The left- and right-edge things are useless.  Why not make it possible to split 50/50?  Or tile four apps 2×2?

  213. Stanley says:

    The hot corners are nigh unusable when running the whole OS in a window (virtualized, or remoted in).  Perhaps not a common use case for the general public, but as a developer I use these features all the time, and they'll make Windows 8 extremely painful.

    How about an option to keep the taskbar visible at all times, and put running Metro apps on it?  This would improve desktop usability tremendously.

  214. JGodo says:

    Let´s talk a bit about desktop, other considerations not the metro start:

    Sometimes someone invents something really simple and usefull… let´s say the wheel as an example. The wheel as concept is so perfect that is not possible to do it better in any form. Poligonal wheels could work but not as well as round ones. Square wheels do not work at all. The only way to work better without wheels is if you are flying. Seriously… Windows as concept in a work environment are like wheels. The concept is so simple and so useful that can hardly be improved as concept. You can do better or worse windows, but let windows go without flying is a complete mistake. If you are in a desktop environment and lets say you want to see a video while performirming other tasks like reading a mail, surfing a web or working, microsoft gives us the option to split our screen between desktop and metro modes… Are someone really going to use that? Hardly I think. If I need to do that I will open a desktop windowed program that do that function for many reasons:

    I can place it where I want, the size I want, I can quickly hide or minimize it or maximize it, I can see only a small portionof it, and so on… all that almost instantly. Using metro app for that implies to go to the metro start screen, surfing to the app, performing extrange mouse moves for half of the screen ( again ) to split the screen and not being able after that to configure it in the position and size I want. That´s poligonal wheels. It can work, but not so well.

    My point is that if microsoft want us desktop users to discover and use metro apps, this is not the way. This is like them giving us poligonal wheels when we already have round ones. There is no way that happens. If they really want us to discover and use that apps in our desktops, then they should let us use that apps with wheels, let us open metro apps in windowed desktop mode and manage them with the desktop taskbar like any other program, and then we will discover and use them in our desktop and use them with touch devices with metro. Other than this I can see only very few people using metro apps in desktop environmet.

  215. GregH says:

    It’s no good – for some reason the self-destruct button has been pressed for Windows – for whatever reason they are getting out of the OS market they seem to think the future is predominantly tablets and consumer apps – this will significantly strengthen Apples position as an OS for professional applications and I doubt that Windows will thrive as they have done in the productivity area – it will start to even out quite quickly – even I am considering a Windows Tablet and then a desktop with another OS – maybe another company will surface that has a solution, not just Apple, fingers crossed.

  216. #JGodo says:

    They have made such a detrimental mistake – I cannot believe they would gamble with their most important product – it’s irresponsible to say the least.

  217. pmbAustin says:

    This link contains two videos:  The 8 minute marketing video, and the 90 minute announcement event.

    All those ranting against Metro need to watch both of these.

    The second half of the first video shows a lot about the desktop/mouse/keyboard without touch.

    In the second video, from around 20-40 minutes (give or take) there are lots of demonstrations of using Win8 on laptops without any touch, including desktop.  And the final 10 or so minutes shows even more, with Win8 running on hardware like big gaming rigs and server boxes, as well as tiny little system and ultra-thin laptops.

    They're very educational, and might put some of your concerns to rest.  Please check this out… link goes to engadget.com:

    http://www.engadget.com/…/microsofts-windows-8-preview-event-videos-now-available

    It is NOT as dire as some of you seem to think.  The over-the-top trash-talking really needs to stop, in favor of some constructive feedback to help enable additional use cases and scenarios, and to polish up the remaining rough edges, enhance "discoverability" and consistency, and make sure that when Win8 is released, it's better for ALL of us, no matter how we use our PCs or what hardware we run it on.

  218. GregH says:

    I agree with @stevember – please give us a Windows product that is a sensible upgrade to Windows 7 – Windows 8 is currently not usable, I can't believe you have me pointing my mouse into the corners looking for things – listen to your users please!!!!!!  

  219. JGodo says:

    Now, about the cornes as a solution for non touch devices users:

    I really would like to Know what system configuration your usabily team works with, and if you let all that solutions to be tryed for other people than you that are not involved in the development before launching general public previews. The corners solution have some mayor problems:

    1- You think that it is easy to move the mouse to the last pixel screen corner because it will not move more than that, wich is not true in multiple screens enviroment. This in desktop is very common, have you tryed it? It´s a pain.

    2- You think that even with one monitor this works because all non touch devices are mouses or track pads, wich are not, some people uses tablets. Have you tryed it? It´s a pain.

    3- Even with one monitor and mouse there are people who has not steady hands ( old people as an example ) that simply can´t hold the pointer in one single pixel even if that pixels is in the corner. Have you let this people tryed it? It´s a pain for them.

    4- Microsoft stated time ago that gestures are not good for mouses, talking about metro start screen, but now you are forcing us to use mouse gestures in desktop mode for open the charms.

    And for a positive side:

    5- The good point is we are going to get fit ( at least our arms ) with all this mouse scrooling and move for all the screen again and again ( that was only a bad joke of course )

  220. alvatrus says:

    Just one question:

    When I run IE10 metro style, and watch the Consumer Preview keynote, why does the audio stop when I switch to another program (for example to play a game of chess online, and still wanting to listen to the keynote in the background?

  221. GregH says:

    I am a serious professional working with high end software and custom rigs – Windows 8 is confusing mostly – I am just trying to work comfortably within desktop, the charms and brand design are completely wrong  and difficult to uncover –there are lot s of bugs in this corner hover concept not to mention a very confusing and wrong concept for desktop use – almost to the point that I hate it.

  222. GregH says:

    I have to try and like it of course because it is forced!!!

  223. pmbAustin says:

    "Start screen. "cmd". Opens a command prompt. Good.

    Start screen. "cmd". Does not open a command prompt – just takes me back to the first command prompt.

    So now Windows 8 knows better than I what I want to do. I wanted a second command prompt. Gah! This is such rubbish."

    Once you have the first instance running, you can just middle-click (or right-clicking and selecting a new instance) from the task bar to get a second instance.

  224. hgirma says:

    seriously. listen. it's awesome for tablets.. good… we should not even have to wait for another major release.. this needs to be fixed pronto.. via system updates… or we messed up, please download this hotfix etc.. make something happen. and quick.

  225. GregH says:

    I think a new company should come through to start a new OS that builds upon the concepts of Windows 7 but with an awesome design, that’s what happens when there is a need not being satisfied – new companies are born, I am ready to accept the death of Windows for serious work and play with it as a tablet toy untill either a new OS comes through or Windos 9 if they fix it.

  226. Windows 8 Vista Second Edition says:

    Looks like Steven Sinofsky will be joining the previous Windows Chief, Jim Allchin(last worked on Vista) on the way OUT. What a disaster, does any retard on the Windows team actually used Metro Start Screen with a mouse? Obviously NOT.

  227. @pmbAustin:  

    (Sorry for my English)

    Do you work at Microsoft, or would you share? You must feel a little alone before the overwhelming majority of people who criticize this OS, not?

    For you, the other would be idiots who have nothing to this miraculous thing which we was delivered yesterday? People from all walks of life complain and say that the copy is very bad, and you do not ask? I am amused to a small survey, only among powered or very advanced users. 17 People, and only one was found 8 correct windows, but does not purchase… But no doubt we are of backward fools.

  228. GregH says:

    Exactly – this is the end now – changing the logo and removing the Start button is the last straw for me – they are obviously not working for the best interest of the product and have let themselves get a little carried away – looks like a Vista all over again, except this time there is no forgiving.

  229. pmbAustin says:

    I do not work for Microsoft.  I just find all this over-the-top wining about things to be a bit ridiculous, unconstructive, and closed-minded.

    Yes, it's different.  Yes, it takes getting used to.  Yes, there are still some rough edges which I hope Microsoft gets around to addressing.

    But no, the start button doesn't need to come back, and no the start screen is not the worst thing ever.  Even for desktop users.

    One thing I really want to see that I'm not seeing is track-pad gesture support… two-finger scrolling, pinch-to-zoom, and such.  That would help immensely on latops when you don't have a mouse OR touch-screen.  I also find grabbing the "scroll bar" on the Start Screen with the mouse to be a bit awkward, and am wondering why I can't just drag anywhere in the background to move around.  There might be a reason (like the very good reason why using the mouse against the edges doesn't bring up the charms or metro task list… think about scroll-bars on the right of windows in Desktop, and fighting the charms bar popping up when you don't want it just because you're trying to scroll!)… but I'm not seeing it yet.

    I don't know why I just "got" it when they said why the start button was removed from the taskbar in desktop.  But I did, it makes perfect sense, and I don't miss it in the least.  And I really cannot fathom the irrational vitriol to its removal from everyone else.  So yeah, I do feel a little bit alone here.

    And when you think of the desktop as just a full-screen Metro App, all the rest of the UI makes sense too.  The corners are very consistent, regardless of where you are (desktop or metro app), and the docking of other metro apps with the desktop makes perfect sense too.

  230. Alex says:

    "And when you think of the desktop as just a full-screen Metro App, all the rest of the UI makes sense too. "

    Sure. The problem is that treating the desktop as a second-class citizen does not make sense when creating a desktop operating system. Because Windows is still a desktop operating system, right? Otherwise I can only hope OEMs would keep preinstalling Windows 7 on desktops and laptops and target Windows 8 for tablets… but we all know such thing ain't gonna happen.

  231. ByronG says:

    well done this going to change the OS game no doubt. suggestion; please make sure you represent the desktop app as an work enviroment, Why? this gonna help simple users understand whats going on and how to use the OS (have turorial videos installed too), some basic users are asking questions like, will it run Photoshop, even some top managemnt people are saying this, so please make sure desktop is not app u can pin or unpin have on the charms menu or something make it obvious and right in your face. and have that too in you marketing campaigns too just make sure people know this the same good old windows.

    Pen input is still very very important please make sure you have this for every device sold, why? well for many obvious reasosns which include note taking, Art design, field engineering graphics, etc

    for the UI please have some shadows under the tiles and some menu bars, to avoid th flat feel, just subtle shadows will help visually.

    For some regions in the world some consumers dont have credit cards, e.g students. so have carrier billing options for paying for apps too or any other way including cash deposit.

    please have cool native apps like bing app and other apps just like the phone.

  232. pmbAustin says:

    "Wrong. I'm talking about wanting to search for a particular file with particular content and possible specific date range. That was trivial and easy with XP. Now with Deskotp search I have to open an explorer library. Start a search that I know will fail (because that is the only way to get to customize it) Then customize it using the clunky ribbon bar."

    Maybe I'm missing something, but at least when I want to find files, I already have a copy of Windows Explorer open (I *always* have one open).  I just select a root folder (doesn't have to be a library, sometimes it's my source tree root), and type int othe "search" box that's right there on the tool bar.

    And I can do date range searching directly there.  You're aware of the search syntax, right?

    Here's a syntax helper page… but you can basically type "modified:" and a calendar control will pop up and you can select a date range, and voila, you're done.  You can search by file size too, and dozens of other attributes (for pictures, you can specify datetaken: for example).

    So there really is no need to break your FLOW.

  233. Brandon Mills says:

    - PDFs need to open in the desktop if opened from the desktop

    - Windows Store has no desktop support, no desktop app support

    – Either Metro apps become windowed, or metro won't ever make it to the desktop.

    – Person at MS who thinks fullscreen weather apps on a 30 inch monitor are awesome needs their head examined.

    – The idea of "the desktop is going away" is ridiculous. It should be laughed off stage. This sounds like "push" back in the mid 90s.

    – The desktop is a workspace. People need workspaces. We tend to be very visual and visualize things.

    My message to people who think that these comments are just whining – It isn't just the interface. It's the fact that, at MS, there are seriously some people who think the desktop is going to go away.

    There better be a Plan B. Business users are going to be furious if the next version of Office is fullscreen metro-only.

  234. GregH says:

    I am already furious! I feel ill, how can these reasonably intelligent people consider this the right way to go – It’s like saying – “well we have decided to dilute our recognisable brand completely, take away our most iconic symbol and workspace and now we all expect you will start working on big touchscreens in your office this year, we don’t like desktop anymore and we think you should all just do two things at once or work on this app we have created called desktop which is totally now undermined and we don’t expect it to last much longer” while we are at it “we are going to make you search for things in little 3 pixel boxes in the corner of your screen” (ugly things at that) I hate watching them fail but I will brace myself and expect a pretty harsh fail for this one – trust me it has failed already for pros – the Apple and Google chiefs are rubbing their hands together.

  235. GregH says:

    They won't do anything now – it has failed, back to work and wait for Windows 9 when they will consider fixing it. I have better things to do than babysit these idiots.

  236. Ben Edwards says:

    Please rethink Windows 8 for multimonitor users! Really want to split Metro apps onto second or third monitors.

  237. Frenz says:

    pmbAustin: I don't really have a problem that they removed the old start menu – I'm not against change. The start menu is only something you use when you want to start some rarely used app (otherwise you will have it pinned or added to quicklaunch).

    But I have a problem with the Metro interface popping up fullscreen (covering all my relevant work) in all kinds of scenarios and having it be the 1. class citizen on my Workstation! There is _nothing_ in Metro that makes sense for professional usage – _nothing_ at all that optimizes my work flow – it's just a silly annoyance – a toy. (I love it on my Phone and Tablet! – but on my Workstation and 30" monitors I have absolutely no use for Metro and I want the Desktop to be the 1st class citizen – not the Desktop being a Metro app! It's just silly)

    And I don't want to run fullscreen metro applications on my Workstation, it makes absolutely no sense at all! And I don't want a small side-docked Metro app either – I want a windowed Metro application, which I can resize and place however I want relative to my other applications! Afterall, this is why I'm running "Windows"!

    How on earth did they think Metro applications would ever work on Workstations ? The obvious answer is: they didn't! They are so focused on delivering a fantastic Tablet experience (and it will be fantastic I'm sure – on my tablet!) that they didn't take the time to consider how this would work in a professional environment. Somehow they ditched "Developers, Developers, Developers" down the road and now Windows is all about fun, entertainment and mobile devices it seems. It's scary how that resembles another big IT company.

    And why should we as developers now develop for 2 different platforms to publish on Windows? To reach all end-users I will need to publish both a Metro App and a Desktop app – WHY ? WTF Microsoft ? If they made Metro apps run in a windowed mode, we would be back to 1 platform!

    If you are looking at the UI from a touch and tablet point of view I can see how they reached the "Desktop is just a Metro Application" conclusion – but for professional use the right conclusion would have been "Metro is just a Desktop Application". I'm sorry, they got it wrong and that's what all the fuss is about.

    I'm not resisting change, I've been first-mover on all previous versions of Windows (and even MS DOS!) – I love nearly everything else they did to Windows 8, but this decision overshadows everything. It needs to be addressed.

  238. Joao M Correia says:

    Why is this even called "Windows"? Metro has none. A much better name would be something along the lines of "Big blobs of kindergarden colors".

    Seriously, the users that do more than Angry Birds, Facebook, and Weather apps should have the choice of never looking at this again. Coincidentally, those same users are the ones that will never let this into the corporate environment. You know, the tech support and sysadmins.

  239. Stephen Kellett says:

    @pmbAustin

    Yes I am aware of the search syntax. I should not need to know it. No one should need to know it. You sound like you are technical, so am I. What about non-technical people? You are aware of the phrase "user experience" aren't you? Needing to know search syntax to perform a search is stepping back in time about 20 years.

    With Windows XP search I didn't need to know any of these things and could you search for stuff much more easily. Especially when it came to a search between dates or for content.

    Good for you that you have an explorer open all the time for searching. I don't.

    Stop trying to tell me how I should use Windows. I'm not telling you how you should use it.

    The only thing I'm saying is give me back what's been taken away.

  240. Stephen Kellett says:

    @pmbAustin

    Yes I am aware of the search syntax. I should not need to know it. No one should need to know it. You sound like you are technical, so am I. What about non-technical people? You are aware of the phrase "user experience" aren't you? Needing to know search syntax to perform a search is stepping back in time about 20 years.

    With Windows XP search I didn't need to know any of these things and could you search for stuff much more easily. Especially when it came to a search between dates or for content.

    Good for you that you have an explorer open all the time for searching. I don't.

    Stop trying to tell me how I should use Windows. I'm not telling you how you should use it.

    The only thing I'm saying is give me back what's been taken away.

  241. Laco says:

    Very dissapointed. New UI very ugly. I was expecting something like this:

    http://www.theverge.com/…/incredible-mockup-of-windows-desktop-gone-metro

  242. Kevin says:

    @JGodo: With just one monitor configuration, you're not supposed to "aim" for that "one" pixel. All you've to do is move your cursor to any corner hard (i.e. until you can't move anymore), and just click. For example, if you want to click the "Start" menu, then just move your mouse to the bottom left corner and just click.

  243. Well I've been interested to read about some of the improvements Microsoft has made to Windows 8. As usual with their upgrades, to get hold of some of the things they've fixed, you have to take on a new group of things that are broken, and will stay broken until the next version (Win Xp > Vista > 7, Office 2003 > 7 > 10).

    I saw things I liked about Win8 in the developer preview but a lot of things that mean it won't ever be an option for me. Win 7 is an obvious upgrade from Vista. Win 8… well, have they:

    Stopped writing over existing bootloaders, and started to recognise / allow booting of existing OS's (including XP)?

    Fixed the "WinSxS space being incorrectly calculated by Explorer and stealing your SSD space" thing?

    Fixed the "any application can Focus Steal any time it likes" thing?

    Given me control over the Right-Click menu?

    Accepted that "undocumented search syntax in a tiny bar that's too small to view natural language search queries in the window" is a bad idea for file operations?

    Accepted that Mice and Fingers are not interchangable use paradigms?

    If not, I'm not interested.

    As for comparisons to APPL, well… the new Win 8 logo is the most horrible piece of design I've seen in centuries. So that should put that comparison to bed. I had high hopes for this one, after the excellent clean-up job the Win 7 team did on Vista. As with Vista vs. Longhorn however, the "Ooooh shiny" brigade have overtrodden the "It's broken" engineers.

  244. JGodo says:

    @Kevin With a wacom tablet wich is what I use mainly that´s not so easy as it forces mee to point in a single pixel while floating my stylus in the air. Also, sure if you go left bottom corner you can´t go more left or bottom, but still can go up or right again and miss the target pixel. That´s the problem with tablets and with some old people using mouses.

  245. JGodo says:

    @Kevin With a wacom tablet wich is what I use mainly that´s not so easy as it forces mee to point in a single pixel while floating my stylus in the air. Also, sure if you go left bottom corner you can´t go more left or bottom, but still can go up or right again and miss the target pixel. That´s the problem with tablets and with some old people using mouses.

  246. Nitz Walsh says:

    @Laco

    You and me both brother.  Even without the horrible Metro elements intruding on the desktop, just by itself the desktop aesthetics have taken a major downgrade. I show people that mock-up and the usual response is WOW.

    Relative to its time, aside from Luna, this is the ugliest OS MS has ever produced.  It's staggering to think that professional designers made some of these decisions.  I think Metro as a concept has premise, but a concept isn't enough – you have to execute on the details, and boy-o does Win8 fail at that.  

  247. GregH says:

    Question – do the MS team use it for thier general work? how? they must be struggling? surely they can see what the issues are with desktop and the need for a reevaluation, I would say after palying with it for another hour that it is absolutely a Tablet OS – what we really need is a desktop version with that new interface that has been knocking around – built more for the pros.

  248. GregH says:

    And by the way even if it were right in the eyes of MS – it is very far from being finished – needs another year really and real consideration for the community feedback, the logo is disgusting – I can’t believe the bosses signed that off- they still haven’t triggered on that the designers are Apple fan boys who purposefully gave them the wrong idea (good enough to fool them – bad enough to fail) or that the marketing department were persuaded to change for a reason that doesn’t make sense fundamentally – BTW I thought it was fake until a week ago – I thought they were hacked or hoaxed or something – it’s that bad! (I’m in marketing) they had such a identity  – that was looking Metro style already in the DP – I think they have really done it this time.

  249. ck says:

    Are you listening to your customers yet?

    Microsoft looks like it's on its way to doing something really dumb in Windows 8. It's not the new tablet interface, the new Metro apps and App Store, or even trying to integrate the desktop and tablet interfaces.

    No, it's mistake is the pure arrogance of forcing desktop users to use the tablet start menu, task switching, and other user interface elements, and not giving them an option to revert back without hacking registry files and disabling lots of new functionality.

    There's NO REASON, other than arrogance, that the Windows 7-style start menu couldn't launch the new "Metro" apps.

    There's NO REASON, other than arrogance, that the new "Metro" apps can't appear in the Windows 7-style task bar.

    There is, in fact, NO REASON, other than arrogance, to force desktop users to use the new tablet-style interface.

    Put the new Start Menu and Metro behaviour in there, yes. But make it OPTIONAL. And make sure that people that revert to the Windows 7 interface are still FIRST CLASS CITIZENS. Don't make it a hidden registry key that disables Metro entirely, make it as easy as switching between the Classic and new-style Start Menus in Windows XP. Don't forget, you refined that interface through 3 Windows versions before taking away the option in Windows 7.

    If people have the Metro interface turned on, they get the tablet interface with the desktop integration features. If they have it turned off, all the Metro style apps just act like full-screen or maximized normal apps.

    EVEN IF YOU THINK IT'S BETTER, make it optional. People will appreciate being treated with respect, instead of having something arrogant forced upon them. And you'll have an opportunity to innovate and improve until no one will mind when you disable the option in Windows 9 or 10.

    Otherwise, people will just want to avoid Windows 8, just like they wanted to avoid Vista – and, unlike when Vista came out, there's competition and alternatives. Alienate the desktop users, and it doesn't matter how good your tablet UI is, the product will have a negative reputation, and the next decade will be handed over to Apple and Google.

  250. Liam Crozier says:

    Please have an option to disable Metro and restore the normal Start Menu, this is not good for desktop users at all, at this rate i won't be buying Windows 8 and i certainly won't recommend it to anyone. At least, have it so that when you go to desktop mode, there is a start menu. Sorry, but if i update my parents computers to Windows 8 (when it's released) they wouldn't have a clue how to work it and i'll be getting phone calls 24/7 :(

  251. GregH says:

    PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU TO LISTEN – TO YOUR FOLLOWERS, WE CARE ABOUT WINDOWS.

  252. TelephasicSun says:

    Windows 8, instalado, probado, borrado para siempre, no hay manera que un típico usuario de Desktops asimile la interface Metro del nuevo Windows 8, simplemente no la hay, para aquellos que venimos desde los 90's incluso aquellos más viejos no entenderán esta nueva dirección que ha tomado Microsoft, es como dar dos pasos atrás.

    Qué hay de aquellos que siguen usando las Pc's como Pc's no como un objeto de Entretenimiento barato, no necesitamos aplicaciones (apps), necesitamos mejor cohesión con software de alto nivel, la interface simplemente es absurda, como se desenvolverá en los negocios?, simplemente no me imagino empresarios usando Windows 8, no le veo uso racional al OS, el enfoque de la interfaz es casi solo para el entretenimiento, ver fotos mientras trabajo, sonrisas falsas, maniobras de publicidad barata es lo único que veo en cada video oficial de Windows 8.

    Gran mayoría de los usuarios de Windows no usa si quiera la PC para jugar, sino para investigar, crear, organizar, pero no de una manera torpe e infantil como la presentan en este OS, queremos interfaces limpias con el menú de inicio como principal identidad de Windows, no queremos las cosas más grandes de la que son, ni el enfoque que últimamente están tomando en cuanto a integrar Facebook, Twitter y otras porquerías solo porque está de moda.

    En cuanto al diseño no veo ninguna innovación, el logo ha sido modificado y reemplazado por algo fútil era de esperarse viniendo de las manos o pobre mente de Paula Scher cuyos diseños son un insulto al Diseño Grafico profesional, de haber escogido una dirección grafica hubiese seguido los consejos de Dieter Rams, las cosas deberían estar diseñadas de una manera que el usuario sienta que no están allí, tomen el ejemplo de Apple. El logo debería ser simplificado si!, pero manteniendo la identidad original.

    Windows 8… simplemente un absurdo mas.

  253. Suad says:

    I am getting the following error message:

    "…critical driver missing or corrupt…"

    File: WINDOWSSystem32Driversacpiex.sys

    Error code: 0xc000000f

    What is this error? How can I fix this? Any help?

  254. Simon says:

    on dell latitude xt 2 single touch input using hand does not work!

    ntrig driver fail under Windows 8 consumer preview

    PLEASE FIX THIS BUG

    no error and every fine under Windows 8 developer preview

  255. @Steven Sinofsky

    Today, I tested the Windows 8 Consumer Preview in a more in-depth manner. Even though it looked good when I tried it last night, I felt disappointed when I tried the Consumer Preview again today. The operating system still has serious usability issues, and nothing is intuitive – when I said "No amount of extra scrollbars, corner menus, or right-click UI's will change the fact that Metro was designed for touch and converted for mice and keyboards," I meant it, and it is still true. It works better than the Developer Preview, but it's still clunky, and it didn't feel responsive on my test PC.

  256. Liam Crozier says:

    In metro when you click on your name on the top right it gives the option to sign off/lock can you please add the shutdown, restart, etc…. options to it as well.

    Thanks.

  257. Cer says:

    Dieter Rams

    Good design is innovative.

    Good design makes a product useful.

    Good design is aesthetic.

    Good design makes a product understandable.

    Good design is unobtrusive.

    Good design is honest.

    Good design is long-lasting.

    Good design is thorough down to the last detail.

    Good design is environmentally friendly.

    Good design is as little design as possible.

  258. temp says:

    I discovered a bug. When you go in the contacts folder, explorer bar goes black and the ribbon disappear.

  259. Mark says:

    hmmm, seems the blog ate my comment.

    I will be downloading it this weekend. Looking at the video shows it looks great for casual users but lacks functionality for power users. For example, the email app seems really primitive – no folders, no rules, etc. and basic functions such as the "attach picture" function are missing a lot of functionality. No options to search for a file name (perhaps a charm will show up if I scroll in from the right, it doesn't say), only 18 pictures per "page" with no options for small icons, or a list or anything. If I want to include a specific filename I have to find it by scrolling. Even if I can use a charm name search, now I have to type in the name, instead of a simple click for detailed-view and scrolling down to the right filename.

    Despite pmbAustins assurances, I'm worried about how easily I can navigate with the mouse. Hitting the lower-left corner brings up the Metro start menu/block of apps. But If I'm in the desktop and I go to the lower-left corner which start menu do I get? I switch between apps using a slide-in from the left, but when I am in IE10 sliding in from the left goes back a page. How will I prevent switching between apps accidentally? When scrolling left and right, the scroll-bar appears to be microscopic. Hopefully I don't have to have the mouse actually on the scroll bar and just holding the mouse down and scrolling anywhere in the region will work.

    I am willing to give it a chance though and see how it works. I have to admit that for my desktop the look is not what I would consider a step forward, instead of each version becoming more elegant and polished-looking, with transparency, and shadowing and glinting, the design choice of simple primary colors and no shadowing, 3D'ness, etc. might be great for a low-power tablet processor but visually it seems too much like a toy to me. We shall see.

    Mark

  260. Fran says:

    Soy otro usuario decepcionado más, para mí esto no es un Sistema Operativo serio, que trabajo costaba mejorar el actual Menú Inicio por ejemplo haciéndolo más grande, que adoptara la mitad de la pantalla del equipo que fuese sobremesa o portátil elementos más grandes; da asco de verdad, porque el escritorio tradicional se ha quedado como roto y desplazado a un segundo o tercer plano cuando en un Sobremesa y Portátil que no sea tableta Metro sobra, es absurdo, las mejoras internas que habéis hecho pasan desapercibidas por la sensación que da el SO, para que quiero 2 Internet Explorer repetidos, uno Metro para tabletas y el tradicional en un sobremesa ?; sin contar la perdida de identidad que Windows sufre ahora mismo con ese logo al que le faltan sus cuatro colores y encima en el escritorio no está presente, pero si yo voy a estar el 95% del tiempo en el escritorio; espero que metro se pueda desactivar o que hagáis algo para los sobremesas, No decíais que escuchábais a los usuarios ?, pues no lo habéis hecho, este sistema operativo no sirve para empresas ni para sobremesas del hogar en los cuales trabajan profesionales.

    Por cierto sed más originales para el nombre del siguiente Windows, con Windows 7 al utilizar un número y ser el primero destaca como propio, pero en Windows 8 ya no, ya es genérico, espero que el siguiente Windows no sea Windows 9, id pensando desde ya un buen nombre.

    Si la cosa no cambia mi boca a boca será que Windows 8 es el nuevo Windows Vista 2.0

    Españoles presentes en Redmond, transmitir esto, no os dais cuenta ? Y es un post corto, podría sacar 6 o 7 temas desventajosos de Vista 8.

    Tengo un Windows Phone y estoy contento, pero con Windows 8 la habéis cagado sinceramente.

    Un saludo.

  261. Rob D says:

    History of MS Operating Systems:

    CLI (Command Line Interface)

    GUI (Graphical User Interface)

    MMUI (You have to gues this one – but it involves a famous Disney Character!)

    :)

  262. Rob D says:

    If you want to give us a new improved product I'd say: "Thanks Microsoft, thats really nice of you".

    If you want to update the interface and make everything look nicer, I'd say: "wow, Microsoft, I really like this, very cool".

    If you want to improve memory usage, battery power-saving and general efficiency, I'd say: "Hey, Microsoft, I'm glad you're taking time to look at these things and to consider us users, your customers, and by the way thanks for making everything work together much better".

    But if you want to take away my freedom of choice as to how I organise my workspace and flit between tasks I'm working on; to force me to run things through a Mickey Mouse interface, to make me search for things when I already know where they are – if you'd only just let me at them………… then I'd say: "Oi, MICROSOFT, NOOOOOOOO; GET YOUR STUPID KIDDY INTERFACE OFF MY DESKTOP, STOP FORCING ANTI LOGIC USER EXPERIENCES ON ME AND SEND THE IDIOT DESIGN TEAM TO ANOTHER VILLAGE!"

    – with apologies to Harry Enfield :)

  263. Mike G says:

    OK, am very excited by Win8, you've done amazing work, hope these suggestions are helpful…

    Start screen…

    -Recent programs (like the unpinned section of old start menu) should be able to be added as a "fixed" group to the start screen, most recent at bottom. I even think that by default this should be there as the first group. Otherwise you're making it an effort to set up my PC and making me keep maintaining it. (I thought you said your data shows not many people "pin" to the start menu – Not many do customising… yet the start screen it very reliant on customising in order to get my frequent programs "nearby")

    -Also pinned taskbar apps should be available as a "fixed" group from the start screen. That's the stuff I use all day everyday, so why shouldn't it be the stuff in prime position on my start screen?

    (Keeping the start screen and task bar in-step and feeling like 1 single coherent OS rather than 2 separate places)

    -I would like an "all apps" tile please. I think it's needed for discoverability.

    Desktop and mouse better but still work to be done…

    -Corners don't work well (understatement!) with multiple screens.

    -I was OK about lack of Start menu (I like "new" and "different") … until I started using it for real, so far I've clicked the IE icon about 5 times! Thinking it to be start! It's fighting against my muscle memory.

    -Invisible Corners and invisible start menu button (like the round office 2003 button) are undiscoverable. I would have thought having some kind of graphical indication in the corners would be good.

    -When in desktop, bottom right corner shows my desktop AND shows the charms at the same time! (i.e. It's not really working!)

    -Right hand corners are hard to use, lots of different mouse movement to get the charms fully "up", quite a few missed attempts. Why not simply make right clicking over the charms area bring up the charms?

    -Metro apps could easily grow a nice big red X close button when you move the mouse near the top Right corner… its more discoverable and familiar for previous windows users than the drag down.

    -Scrolling with mouse still not that good, it seemed OK for first few minutes on start screen but when I got dual monitors working it stopped being any use. Why can't we use the mouse left-click to scroll (Click and drag as if you'd touched it with a finger)? It seems ridiculous (to me) that such an rare activity as moving your tiles around is done with a mouse left-click!!! Mouse and touch are closer (therefore better), in how they work now, from how they were in the developer preview but they could be close (and better) still. I would have thought moving tiles should be done holding ctl or after right click or something like that. It's far to easy to mess up your tiles by accident and not even know you've done it! (Like dragging and dropping files into the wrong folder and never knowing where they went all over again!) Other possibility (if you don't like the idea of left click to scroll) is to use the middle mouse button that has long been known to do "Scrolling")

    -Also scrolling with mouse could be better in the apps themselves, why have one way to scroll on the start screen but then in all the metro apps you still have to navigate down to a scrollbar and use that.

    -Why can't I multi-select tiles with the mouse and then drag?

    -Why can't I multi-select tiles and name a

    Snapping…

    -When have a window snapped and drag it from the top, it would be nice for the snap regions to be more obvious (Whole area to light up not just snap lines.

    -When have a metro window snapped (docked) to one side and drag it from the top, why can't I "snap" it into the middle of the screen? I now know I can drag the splitter to maximise it again but it took me a while to figure out.

    -Shame I can't have metro apps across my many screens. I would love to have email and notes app always running on a secondary screen.

    Browser…

    -I still think you should be able to have plug-ins in metro browser. If you can have them in desktop browser anyway then you've not saved any CPU and you've not made it more secure.. all you've done is confuse some users who won't understand that they have to switch to desktop to browse on some sites. I can see you might want to totally block all plugins in the browser(s) on your machine but that choice should be consistent, i would prefer plug-ins off by default in both flavours of IE but option to turn back on (again in both flavours of IE) – Some organisations might just have to remove shortcuts to IE metro to avoid confusing their users and avoid the ensuing support calls.

    Have some screen re-draw issues, may be my driver but same one works fine on Win 7 (NVIDIA Quadro FX 2700M, 8.16.11.8992)

    Thanks,

    Mike G

  264. Matt says:

    I want to disable metro UI and return back to full Windows 7 experience!

  265. Ben Perrin says:

    Ok, so I downloaded the preview last night and wanted to comment on some things. So I'll get to the bad stuff first and the good stuff second.

    - Removing the start orb is a HUGE mistake. Mainly for a few reasons. I click it once and then I can type anything in to start a search instantly. In win8 I need to go all the way to the top right (really difficult on multiple screens and not intuitive) then the charms are in the middle of the screen. This is much slower. Also hiding the power off/sleep modes under settings is a huge mistake. With the start orb I click it once and the sleep button is a few centimetres away. This makes much more sense. The other major reason is jump lists. Because I was running the preview under a test environment I wasn't sure whether or not the metro interface had jump list like functionality but it would be a huge shame to lose it. I can't stress these points enough. Also giving the people the option of how they want it is a much better idea. Forcing people to start using a different method is an apple philosophy and not a welcome concept.

    - The charms bar and the metro interface buttons are not obvious at all and just downright inconvenient on a desktop set up let alone a multi-monitor one. This can not be stressed enough; don't piss off the desktop power users.

    - I didn't play around with it much but it wasn't easy to determine what metro apps were open. This is the same bs apple does. I had to go into the task manager to close down certain apps. I much prefer the desktop experience where I always know what is open because it is shown on the bar below.

    - I want to start in desktop mode not metro mode. This may be possible already so if it is kudos.

    - The design feels really inconsistent. I like that you have moved to a better font (segoe is it?) but explorer etc looks out of place in this new environment. I really like martins suggestions on the other thread about using this interface or similar http://www.theverge.com/…/windows-desktop-ui-concept. Honestly compare that to osx. It looks a million times better than anything apple have come up with.

    Now if you fix all the above I think most users will be happy. Really I am asking you not to remove existing functionality so this should be really easy. Maybe just a install in desktop mode question would be great.

    The things I do like.

    - Using the windows key to switch to metro mode. Nice! I feel that I will prefer to launch my applications this way.

    - Snapping feature seems great.

    - Font changes look good.

    - Store is a good idea.

    - All the little (huge) things added behind the scenes like faster startup, better power management, disk handling etc.

    Understand that I write these things because I care. I don't want to move away from windows and I'll never use an apple machine as long as I can help it. A few little enhancements and you will have a winner. Without this and you'll have a disaster like vista (reputation wise that is. I still like vista as an os).

    Cheers,

    Ben

  266. Ben Perrin says:

    I forgot to add that I like the idea of skydrive and using a hotmail account to get a similar experience across multiple computers.

  267. Miro says:

    Wow, I loved Windows Phone but the new start screen is the ugliest dog sh*&t MS could design. It looks like someone color blind stuck in 1985 threw up a bunch of color boxes.

    The option to disable metro completely and put the start menu/orb needs to be brought back. You aren't Apple and you can't command how we'll use windows because you can you use your telemetry data to twist it to make your point.

    Unless of course you're trying hard to bring about what happened to IE market share to Windows.

  268. Peter says:

    In Windows 8 on a 24" monitor, the mouse travel required is enormous compared to earlier Windows versions. It's even worse in Metro style  apps. For instance, selecting files in a File Open dialog under Metro is tiring because the mouse must travel so far to select a file and then click the OK button at the lower right corner of the screen. Traditional File Open dialogs under Win32 are much smaller, so picking files there is generally much faster. The Metro premise to run everything full-screen is just completely nuts for larger desktop monitors.

    I'd like to have my traditional desktop and have metro style apps running within resizable windows on the desktop.

  269. Jeremy says:

    Feedback with regards to Metro/Metro Apps:

    1. The Store doesn't have a search form. I have to do a global search on Windows, and select the Store. Might not be intuitive for people who are used to the Appstores in Android and iOS.

    2. Metro's multitasking side-by-side pane doesn't seem to allow anything beyond a 1:5 ratio. Usage example: Having a desktop app (Microsoft Excel) open, and the Reader App open. I need to reference some information from the PDF file from the Reader app, however since side by side only allows 1:5 (or less) the PDF's text is almost unreadable.  If I were to expand the Reader app, the desktop apps are listed as thumbnails and cannot be worked on. Would be better if any ratio is allowed for the user to decide how much he wants of each app he wants to show onscreen. Very bad in terms of multitasking for such scenarios.

  270. Vid says:

    El concepto detrás de una interface que se ha enfocado en Tablets vuelve obsoleto el concepto de las Desktops cuyo ideal ha sido el de llenar las necesidades básicas de Programadores, Contadores, Artistas Gráficos, Ilustradores, Diseñadores, Arquitectos, Escritores, Ingenieros, Profesionales del Diseño en 3D, Animadores, Diseñadores de Juegos, etc. Visualicen ustedes que reacciones tendrían todos ellos al enfrentarse a un Sistema Operativo que solo realza el entretenimiento, hobbies y redes sociales a través de un superfluo panel.

    Windows 8 tira por la borda todo el pensamiento Lógico Abstracto que se ha cultivado todos estos años en los usuarios más ávidos de Microsoft, para entregarnos un mero concepto Intuitivo cuyo enfoque seria ideal para niños de corta edad. Usen la razón!

  271. Alan Cooper fan says:

    History will repeat itself:

    - Move Up One Level button in Explorer: Present 1995-2006, scrapped with Vista, reintroduced in Windows 8 in 2012

    - File menu in Office: Present 1985-2007, scrapped with Office 2007, reintroduced in Office 2010

    - Start menu: Present 1995-2011, scrapped with Windows 8 in 2012, reintroduced in Windows 9

  272. JGodo says:

    @ Miro

    Problem with telemetry is the following: Telemetry would say people only uses toylet one time at day, so people are not using toylet too much so we can remove toylets from homes. That´s what is happening here.

  273. This... says:

    @JGodo

    Problem with telemetry is the following: Telemetry would say people only uses toylet one time at day, so people are not using toylet too much so we can remove toylets from homes. That´s what is happening here.

  274. Frustrated User says:

    I can drag to scroll with a finger.  Why can't I drag to scroll with the mouse?  It's basically the same thing.  Does Microsoft not test Windows 8 usabilities on Desktop PC at all?

  275. Frustrated User With a Knife says:

    I have a Pc right?, I need a OS for Pc's, not a Tablet

  276. Frustrated User With a Knife says:

    I have a Pc right?, I need a OS for Pc's, not a Tablet

  277. @Steven Sinofsky

    One annoying limitation of Metro-style apps is the inability to play video while another app is displayed. If I want to listen to a video in either the video app or the Metro-style Internet Explorer, it is impossible.

  278. Congratulations, Windows team! The improvements made so far are simply awesome. I can say I am generally satisfied with the Consumer Preview… except for one thing, and this is my biggest concern since WDP: multitasking.

    Again, improvements made in this area too are amazing. But my main disappointment lies in the metro snap view: the small "window" is simply too small to support real multitasking. The snap ratio should be more customizable. Or at least we should have the option to snap two windows in a 50/50 ratio.

    Most of my work consists of typing a text in one big window while consulting another text in a second big window. And it is crucial to me that I see both at the same time. Often, I actively read in one app and "simultaneously" take extensive notes in the other app, while constantly looking back at the first app. But this kind of work is impossible in the Metro interface. It is only possible on the Desktop. But it's fair to say that Desktop apps are to slowly disappear. So, what will become of my multitasking experience in the Metro interface? For example, how could I work with both the previewed OneNote 15 and the new Windows Reader at the same time like I used to work in previous versions of Windows (or in OS X)?

    Personally, I only buy 17-inch laptops. On this kind of screen, my favorite ratio is 60/40. But it seems that, in order to do the same kind of multitasking in Metro, I would need 2 screens… Please consider enabling more snap ratios or at least one more (50/50). Thanks.

  279. For anyone who is wondering, there is a program called ViStart available online that was originally designed to add Windows Vista's Start Menu to Windows XP. It works on Windows 8 and can be used to access a Start Menu, meaning that you don't have to use the Start Screen to open every app. It's the best way I've found to fix Windows 8.

  280. Bear says:

    Now with this… Microsoft is gonna die.

  281. akelkar says:

    Have been using the CP for two days. Absolutely love it. Great Boot Times, Right Click Menu at Lower Left corner of screen is just Awesome. Mouse navigation is more than adequate in the Start Screen.

    The Start Screen is just a start menu displayed differently, better in fact. Have removed all Metro Apps from the Start Screen and Pinned my Desktop shortcuts to the start screen. It is now indistinguishable from my desktop. The Search function is far superior to Windows 7.

    All in all a wonderful start for a new phase in the life of Microsoft Windows.

    Good Luck.

  282. A Windows user says:

    So far, I do like:

    -the installation process. Fast and clean.

    -the fast experience when I type something searching for an app in Start Screen.

    -the improved system performance. It's very notable.

    So far, I don't like:

    -the lack of details in Metro in general.

    -the lack of a healthy mouse experience in Metro. For example, switching an app is a mouse nightmare.

    -the lack of a close button for Metro apps in thumbnails at the left of the Start Screen. I don't like the context menu over there to do that. I don't like to kill an app through Task Manager either.

    -the lack of a "filter" that prevents Desktop applications to invade the Start Screen with uninstaller shortcuts, docs shortcuts, etc.

    -the lack of common sense to turn off/restart the machine.

    -the sensation of abandon in Desktop in general.

    A Windows user.

  283. GregH says:

    I do't like the the little white line placeholders for app thumbnails in the left column when hovering – they are not nice. There are so many thigs that are turning me off at the moment, one big one is that it now seems that my previous way of working is being replaced, why? no good reason?

  284. Jonathan Leung says:

    Here are my thoughts on the Consumer Beta's new UI paradigms clouddiscuss.wordpress.com/…/paradigm-shift

    Was wondering if any of these thoughts mimic'd the ones during the planning stages for windows 8?

  285. cam says:

    I wasn't a fan on the metro stuff at first, but then I realized I can customize the start screen and just use it as an epic program launcher. I've got one suggestion that would make life for desktop users a lot better: the ability to have a transparent background for the start screen. This would allow us to always see the desktop environment and have the start screen appear as an overlay, so we can open what we want, search or whatever. This would help merge the two experiences, because they are quite different.

    Oh, and the "Start" box that comes up when the mouse moves to the bottom left corner of the screen can get really annoying. Especially when you're trying to open your first pinned program and miss a little.

  286. Linvi says:

    What a shame to disable the start button. The Metro interface is great but is not easy to use with a PC.

    Seriously guys, I have the Consumer Preview for 1 day now, and I can't even find a program in the interface.

    Install Visual Studio, SQL Server and Office and you're done. Impossible to find anything.

    You HAVE to remember the name of each of your application… Really???

    Create a folder where you're application are saved… You just can't.

    Launch "Services"… So easy. Type services go check the button "Settings", Find the right program and select it…

    REALLY???

    Go to control panel…. Hum, you just can't, well, you can but you need to type it… Seriously?

    You want to force people to migrate, this is not a good way to do. When you create a product you want your end users to use it and appreciate it, not to be completely lost and do 4 actions instead of one to get to what you want to do.

    This preview compared to the beta (where we could change registry key RPEnabled) announces a great loss of productivity.

    Hope you'll stop to be blind and hear what we say to you.

  287. Robert says:

    please please please add xbox 360 remote play to windows 8. it would make it the best windows ever from my point of view and millions of other xbox 360 owners/users.

  288. Jim says:

    Touch this touch that, this App here the App there, Shitty games, Touch, Touch, THERE IS MISANTHROPY you know? I don’t like to share my pictures, you don’t need “friends” I don’t need to know what are they doing with their lives, I don’t need games, I don’t need to share my things!.

    That’s what is wrong with society now, they want to share every minute every second of their pathetic life trough Internet.

  289. Jim says:

    Touch this touch that, this App here the App there, Shitty games, Touch, Touch, THERE IS MISANTHROPY you know? I don’t like to share my pictures, you don’t need “friends” I don’t need to know what are they doing with their lives, I don’t need games, I don’t need to share my things!.

    That’s what is wrong with society now, they want to share every minute every second of their pathetic life trough Internet.

  290. Robert says:

    also for the mail app, im surprised yahoo isn't on the list. adding that would be a real good idea I think

  291. Sven says:

    One big problem of these "hot corner" metro overlays on the desktop is, that you can't click on the desktop controls when the metro overlay pops up. For example, on the upper left corner, I can't click the Firefox menu because suddently the metro preview opens. On the upper right corner I can't close an app when the sharms menu pops up. There should be really a way to disable all metro overlays on the desktop, as it is really distracting.

  292. Sven says:

    Another problem: how can I create easily a shortcut on the desktop? In Windows 7 I simply dragged a shortcut from the start menu to the desktop, problem solved. Now I have to right click, new shortcut, browse to the exe file. That's more than an average user can do!

  293. Martin says:

    Turning off the computer should be allowed by right clicking on the start screen and then click a shut down button. It is unintuitive the process of shutting down the PC through "settings" in "charms."

    Another thing worth to mention is the poor customization of start screen's look and feel. It needs more colors, more backgrounds. I hope RTM build allows us new ways to customize it.

    Finally, I hate tile's auto-arrange-only. I would like a static way to put a tile in the "column/row" without seeing how the other tiles "escape from there."

    Cheers.

  294. I understand Windows 8 for a Phone or Tablet and to a certain extent home pc, but I just don't understand how this is going to work for a business user.

    I'm bored of the Metro Start menu already, it needs to be changed so you can switch it off and on when you want.

    I wont be in any rush to update to Windows 8.

  295. Fred says:

    It's pretty simple MS – Just give desktop/laptop users the option to make the traditional 'windowed' UI the primary interface (with windowed Metro apps) and everyone will be a whole lot happier. Metro/Start-Screen has its place, and is an excellent approach for tablets/slates, but don't force desktop/laptop users to change the way they prefer to work, just because it suits your marketing team. You will burn your user-base if you try to force this onto desktop/laptop users – particularly in the business market.

  296. chris says:

    "Metro apps could easily grow a nice big red X close button when you move the mouse near the top Right corner… its more discoverable and familiar for previous windows users than the drag down" my hand is killing me after closing 20 apps. Also moving the mouse into corners with my 24" monitor is annoying

  297. chris says:

    "Metro apps could easily grow a nice big red X close button when you move the mouse near the top Right corner… its more discoverable and familiar for previous windows users than the drag down" my hand is killing me after closing 20 apps. Also moving the mouse into corners with my 24" monitor is annoying

  298. Xinok says:

    I had some thoughts today on how I would have done things differently in Windows 8. First of all, the issues:

    * The Metro interface simply offers little for desktop users. It's main concentration has been touchscreen devices.

    * Windows 8 has two interfaces, the desktop and Metro, which you must constantly switch between.

    I would find a way to blend the Desktop and Metro into a single interface. First, I considered the decision of replacing the start menu, a feature that has seen major improvement since its introduction in Windows 95. Something that has remain relatively unchanged is the desktop. For the longest time, the desktop has been little more than some icons, a wallpaper, and gadgets that never caught on.

    So it's that simple: Keep the start menu and <b>replace the desktop with the Metro interface.<b> Suddenly, the desktop and Metro are one interface. Desktop windows would be visible above the Metro interface which is still running in the background. There's no need to switch between interfaces and you get the best of both worlds.

    Some changes would have to be made to the taskbar to accommodate this change:

    * Redesign the taskbar to match the Metro interface (remove aero glass, boxed taskbar buttons, matching color scheme)

    * The taskbar would be visible on desktops and laptops by default, while hidden on tablets and phones. The taskbar could be brought up by simply swiping up from the bottom of the screen (or whichever side the taskbar is docked).

    * Task buttons could be replaced by thumbnails (optionally, of course) which you can scroll through using simple mouse or finger gestures.

    So that's it. Replace the desktop with Metro and adjust the desktop interface to work with it.

  299. Mazhar says:

    As I said before, Windows 8 has been good so far, but the main concern I have is that I am forced to use one of the two interfaces in Windows 8. Why we are getting the TWO interfaces? Why not just ONE? Hence Windows 8 has been divided and thus the users and their opinions. Thus, the Controversy! What if I do not want to use the Metro interface or I do not want to use the traditional desktop interface?

    Windows 8 is actually Windows 7 + Metro. It is really going to create some troubles for the users in the future, if not now, because every product will then have two interfaces and thus two setups, one Metro and one Traditional style application.

  300. Naveen kumar sharma says:

    hey please tell me short cut key to close metro style app

    tanks in advance

  301. Brendan says:

    Can anyone help me, and let me know why my user folder is Bre.000 instead of my name?

  302. .netDev says:

    I do believe that Window 8 Team is shorting Microsoft stock, or paid by apple. Maybe both. I don't think people commit such mistakes. There is purpose behind that. They give shiny pearls (tablet ux) with one hand, but with the other hand they crush the hart of the OS.

    Unfortunately I invested years in Microsoft technology stack, now it's time to move to java world. (Visual Studio 2011 is ugly at best, we're back 30 years in time when monochrome displays were everywhere)

    I hope after Microsoft will loose the first billion, they release a new version of Windows. Service pack would not be enough, hence if Window 8 will be like CP, the name "Window 8" will be the synonym of disaster.

    Please just listen to the customers' voice. It's not too late, you can get right this insanity.

  303. @ Steven Sinofsky:

    almost all services like map, store, weather, and …    are not available in Iran , can I ask WHY???? (weather, was available in developer preview)

    I know that most of these services don't support Iran fully but they are still useable and helpful event without full functionality, please do something about it.

    I'm using windows 8 C.P  right now and I'm really enjoying it , it has been improve so much since developer preview.

    thank you.

  304. Koan Neuer says:

    To those of you complaining about improvement: Currently a lot of companies are in the middest or just finished their transition from XP to Win 7 (leaving out Vista).  You will see this kind of behaviour also witth Win 8.  So this is the time and chance for MS to change the paradigm of interacting with a device.  We will also see most of ultrabooks beiing equiped with touch displays once the OS is out supporting it.  So all this crying about touch not relevant – I don't get the point.

    Yet: The Metro interface is still missing an option to quickly see and toggle open apps.  Why aren't there taps on the bottom of Metro to show open apps?

    Desktop: The corner thing is not intuitive.  My mother would not get the point to move to a corner that does not indicate a function.  In Win 7 is you minimize the task bar it is still visible with 2-5 pixels.  Why not adding this as a hint?

    Power button:  I am so missing an easy to use power button!  Why not adding a charm that is allows to shut down the computer?  You could even make this button optional so it is not visible on a tablet.

    Settings: Why are there two sets of settings? If the settings are important then they should be available in Metro.  If not then leave them out. Offering two different representations of the same settings is even more confusing!  Also you claimed that Metro is the main interaction base to operate the device.  But then the settings should be all and only be available in Metro!

  305. Neydamn says:

    So disappointed  of all the comments that say Windows 8 is a crap. C'mon guys, it sounds to me like a bunch of people that are tot lazy to learn a new desktop. I can't believe it, I think that, even a four year kid could work with this easy OS. I mean really !

  306. The Usual Suspect says:

    Windows 8 is almost perfect.  Just need Drag-to-Scroll with the mouse and it'll be perfect.

  307. @Carlos (Thu, Mar 1 2012 1:42 PM):

    I totally agree!

    To have the shortcuts Ctrl+hyphen for manually typing an en-dash and Ctrl+Shift+hyphen for typing an em-dash would be a great feature that is already standard on other systems for a long time. It should work system-wide in every application that allows text-input.

    One of my biggest wishes for Windows since years.

  308. JohannesB says:

    I find it disappointing that you let the users easily close programs now when it is not needed anymore.

  309. Kevin says:

    I really like the new interface. I want to make one suggestion for Metro IE10.

    favorites =/= pinned sites. These MUST be treated separately.

    Pinned sites within Metro IE10 clutter the Start Screen too much. I've 40 sites using the fake "bookmark" with the "Pin to Start," and it's cluttering up my Start Screen. Please EMULATE the WP7 team and move the "Pin to Start" button to the 3 ellipsis. NO ONE is going to pin sites SO FREQUENTLY to the Start Screen that that button needs to be in the main UI. We don't sit at the browser and make pinned sites. It makes absolutely NO sense.

    Replace the "Pin to Start" with "Favorites" that open up the favorites pane where user can add, delete, create folders, and move to other folders, etc… At minimum, treat "Pin to Start" and "Favorites" as two completely different idea because they're actually DIFFERENT.

    How do I make feedback to the Metro IE 10 group?

  310. TIM says:

    @JohannesB you are disapointed? People should not be able to close apps? lol…

  311. Lars says:

    Will there be updates for the Windows 8 CP over the course of time?

  312. DvO says:

    @Steven Sinofsky, others from MS,

    Why are most of the Metro apps in German while I selected Dutch?

    On the 'lock screen' the date is in Dutch but in the Mail/Calendar/Messaging/etc. Metro apps everything is in German :(

  313. Windows7 says:

    Well, well, well! I and others were criticised for condemning the Metro UI too early, and we were told by others that "of course Metro will be able to be turned off. This is only an early preview for developers", blah, blah, blah.

    So who was right? I hate Windows 8 just as much now as before, if not more! For real, serious computer users it is totally unusable and redundant. Windows 8 has been turned into a touchy-feely gimmick for the minority of users, whilst the majority of us are left behind.

    RIP Windows, (up until now) it's been good knowing you.

  314. Koan Neuer says:

    @DvO:  This is due to the new language options in Win 8: Same historic and semantic heritage…

  315. @Windows7  and others like him

    Stop with the drama queen attitude.  There is nothing you could do on win7 that you can't do on win8.

    There is MUCH you can do with win8 that you couldn't do with win7.  

  316. Martin C says:

    I just discovered that, when on the desktop, if you RIGHT click the 'start' icon, you get a really useful context menu, with links to a cmd prompt, control panel, and more.  I'm 5 times happier with Windows 8 now I've found it.. but why hide it as a context menu. Make the damned thing visible so we know it's there.

  317. Some point after using the OS for two days (with a 23" monitor and keyboard + mouse):

    - Give to user a option to pin the setting bar (above) for metro applications, because right-clicking every time to show it is anoying

    - The charms bar delays too much to appear

    - Make something to organize better the icons on start screen, like levels or something. Try to install VS2011 to see a mess on your start screen…

    - There lots of features hidden on Charms bar. Its too hard to find something like metro control panel!

    - Where is the most used apps list, like in Windows 7?

  318. Liam Crozier says:

    Ok, i've gotten used to Metro and it's better than i thought but i still have some suggestions.

    1. Keep the old start menu in desktop view but also keep the 0 pixel Metro menu

    2. Add Shutdown and Restart options next to the options to Lock/Sign Off menu (metro)

    3. Have the option to disable metro completely

    4. Add Control Panel and Computer to the right swipe menu or at least the option to add them.

    There are also some bugs, i can't seem to download app updates or install .NET 2.0/3.5 via turn on/off windows features from Windows Updates (0x800F0906).

    I also can't map a network drive which is located on a domain, i get some extended network error but it worked fine on Windows 7.

  319. blitz07 says:

    @ Steven Sinofsky / Windows Team.

    Wouldn't it be better if the Charms menu was located within the right-click box also (either with smaller icons within or a mini charms bar attached to its side ).  To have both options, instead of having to reach all the way to the bottom or top corner for something as simple as clicking five different icons. The right -click box makes things easier/faster with mouse based systems; why not use it!  There should really be a place for suggestions, I'm full with ideas. I hope windows 8 becomes as easy as possible for mouse interaction just like the touch-based interaction.

  320. Dave says:

    @ pmbAustin

    What needs to stop is you running around making posts defending this pos.

    Most desktop users will not use this, no matter how many posts you make.

    Get over yourself, took me all of 3 hours to get over W8 and foregt about it, suggest you do the same.

    When is W9 coming out. Can't wait.

  321. @Neydamn says:

    That's the point! Metro is only designed for four-year olds!

    The idea and concept of Metro is all good, but it is extremely poorly executed.

    Try reading some of the comments (the ones that have actual arguments in them; not the rantings…) and you will see many good arguments, as to why Metro should be a Desktop application and not the other way around.

    If you use a pc in your work, what do you spend your time on?

    Watching tiles flash bright colors, fighting for your attention, just to tell you what someone has posted on twitter, what your friends are doing on facebook, hows the weather and other very interesting things?

    I don't! All these kiddie-things are all well and good at home, but not for professional use. My boss don't want me to look at facebook updates etc.

    In Win7 I press the orb and start typing.

    Some are arguing that I can do the same in Win8.

    This is true…But…

    In Win7 I can still see all my applications _while_ I'm searching for a file or program.

    In Win8 I'm forced to enter the Start Screen, totally breaking my workflow.

    Why is it necessary to fill up the whole screen with search results when they could just as easily fit into the Win7 Start Menu?

    The answer: It's not!

    Metro is for fun and entertainment. The Desktop is for work.

    Windows used to come in some Home editions and some Pro editions.

    Do the same with Win8… A Home edition with Metro first and a Pro edition with Desktop first.

    Or do as others have stated before… Let Metro be the background of the Desktop. This way you get the best of both worlds.

  322. Windows 8 Enthusiast says:

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  323. Trolls go home says:

    @Neydamn and all the other trolls:  Not only does Metro suck and the whole touch thing.  But also this whole color thing is not mine!  I want to use my monchrome Atari screen again.  But neither does Win 8 support b/w nor does it support 800×600!!!  And this screen truly is a "work tool", not for playing…

  324. R says:

    Please fix behavior of the Start hot-corner for dual monitor setups….I keep overshooting the corner and going into the second screen and the experience is horrible.  Then I try to not go too far and end up clicking my first pinned taskbar ucon instead.

  325. LeoStorm85 says:

    Come on guys, it is not possible to switch between more then X (depending from the resolution) apps….is it a joke? I'm a little bit concerned about the Consumer Preview. Also please, make the desktop more powerful. There is a lot of user out there which do not want to leave the desktop every time they perform a research. Metro is great but you have to leave people the chance to remain into Desktop if they want. For example you could perform research from desktop in little part of the screen (fom example with a sliding metro stile window on the left of the screen) instead of going back to metro screen. In addition, I do not think the desktop is like the other apps, I think Metro style apps started should be available in the desktop taskbar and possibly be shown into a desktop window (resizing it) in order to improve interaction between metro style apps and standard windows.

    @The whole Windows staff…we care about Windows (some of us spent a lot of time learning it as users and/or developers). You have done a great job about a lot of things…do not get messed with GUI. You are very close to doing the best OS ever, but you are also very close to a disaster.

  326. Hi. This morning I woke up with a "sour taste" about my testing results of Windows 8 CP last night.

    I've decided to make a post about my dissapointments about this Consumer Preview.

    But, I realize that it haves not sense at all to make a big post about it.

    I've read what people are saying about W8CP. It's seems like Microsoft didn't care about.

    I'm agree with:

    - Metro needs to go away from Desktop it doesn't belong there.

    - Workflow is so sad – With Windows 8 that people ended up having shutdown script on desktop

    - Metro doesn't allow multitasking.

    - PC is not a giant smart phone. MS went against all UI principles, as i said one word -> disaster.

    - Remove a damn thing from Desktop Windows. It can work on Tablets and Phones and focus Metro development on those devices but completely remove it from Desktop.

    - I cannot believe with all Microsoft's resources you haven't got a list of compatible monitors. The Metro interface is problematic with a mouse. That is simply unacceptable.

    - PC: Desktop (more important), then Metro Apps (hidden)

    - Tablet: Metro + traditional desktop (as an optional app)

    - Windows phone: METRO

    - I have used everything, from DOS 1 through to Windows 7. I understand it all. And Windows 8 is a big disappointment.

    For people who have to think for a living. Windows 8 does not work. Go to the search charm and type in a common program. Nothing found. I have to look through Windowssystem32 for what I need, copy it, and paste it as a shortcut onto my desktop. Painfully slow compared to XP, Vista or Windows 7.

    It needs a real Start Menu button and the ability to key in two or three characters to get your programs.

    I have what Windows 8 offers already. I have my iPhone. But my iPhone is also just a toy. I cannot survive only on my iPhone, and I cannot survive on Windows 8.

    - I believe the power-users are expecting to spend most of their time in the desktop and the Windows team fully expects that the desktop will not be used.

    - I think it is naive to believe the desktop will be used so little on a mouse/keyboard.

    - Since in metro there is only a "pseudotasking" ( from an usabilty perspective ) there is no way proffesional people switch to metro for work.

    - Only two metro applications visible at the sama time?

    - Windowed applications must be there for work, in windows or in any other productivity oriented OS.

    - Metro is not for sure the future for productivity, and if Microsoft try to force this situation, then the future for productivity will be mac or linux.

    - This is frustrating. I've based my whole career around Microsoft technology. I have started my own software development company based around Microsoft technologies and I'm betting my entire business on the success of Microsoft.

    I've enjoyed the ride so far, all the way from MS DOS and up till Windows 7 and Azure, but for the first time in all these years I'm starting to doubt whether I'm betting on the right horse – if Microsoft really believes "Desktop is dead", we're heading for a catastrophy. I'm worried that you are silent as the grave on this matter. You've been ignoring all the Metro vs Desktop feedback lately on this blog (also before the release of the Consumer Preview). I see Microsoft employees answering all kinds of questions elsewhere on the internet, except those who want an answer about Metro, Desktop and professional usage – maybe it's just that they agree, but that's worrying in itself. It's hard to ignore these signs – do you honestly believe this is just a case of "who moved my cheese"? Let me tell you something about cheese. As someone like myself who love Microsoft technologies – who have been using C# since it appeared as a beta, who am a first-mover on Windows Azure, I feel sad that we've been doing a lot more iOS development lately than I like (Hell, we even invested in a Mac and iPad) – but that's me looking for "cheese". As a developer, a platform is only as interesting as the money you can make from it – and right now, that means iOS. I know you are trying to put an end to this missery with Windows 8 and Windows Phone – and it looks REALLY promising in this area, AWESOME! But don't ditch your professional users on the desktop. Please put our worry to rest!

    - Vast majority of the criticism will disappear if they make the Metro UI & Apps not take up the whole screen.

    - When I click on "X" to close a window in full screen that stupid charm bar appears…argh this is so annoying!!!!!!!!

    - Swedish and English forum for IT-professionals about Windows 8 – all people there say NO to Windows 8 in corporations.

    —————————————————

    @Steven Sinofsky & @Grant George:

    Afer reading this comments… and all comments in those 2 last posts:

    are you still sure about keeping your attitude about "No compromises"?

    are you not afraid of loosing more PC users?

    are you sure to call it "Windows 8" … or it will better to call it "Microsoft Tiles 8"?

    Don't get me wrong… Metro is the future… but for phones and tablets.

    You're not considering millions of desktop and laptop users. You're really desperating blind.

  327. I run it for 2 days now and it works very well for a Beta software. Thx for your hard work. It's runs really fast and fluid, you didn't just say it, it's a fact. I can't wait for the final product.

    So far i keep using the Beta with my mouse & keyboard ;)

    Best regards

  328. pmbAustin says:

    "I have to look through Windowssystem32 for what I need, copy it, and paste it as a shortcut onto my desktop."

    No you don't.  Go to start-screen, right-click, select "All Programs".  It should provide a long list of apps for you.  Also, if you're on the Desktop, throw the mouse cursor down to the lower left corner, but instead of clicking (to return to Start Screen), try Right-Clicking.  You might be surprised by what you see there.

  329. pmbAustin says:

    "There are a lot of users out there which do not want to leave the desktop every time they perform a search."

    You don't have to.  Use the Search Charm while on the desktop, and the search pane doesn't cover the entire desktop… exactly what you said you wanted.

  330. pmbAustin says:

    @Ben Perrin

    "Removing the start orb is a HUGE mistake. Mainly for a few reasons. I click it once and then I can type anything in to start a search instantly. In win8 I need to go all the way to the top right (really difficult on multiple screens and not intuitive) then the charms are in the middle of the screen. This is much slower."

    No. Just tap the Windows Key and start typing.  Or move the mouse to the lower-left corner (where the start orb used to be anyway) and click once, and start typing… EXACTLY the SAME as with the Start Orb.  You definitely do not have to go to the top right and hit the search charm in the middle of the screen.  (Note, there is also a Win-Key combination that will take you directly to the Search Charm from the keyboard as well).

    I agree that activating the charms bar with the mouse (upper or lower right corner) is unacceptably difficult on multimonitor setups.  I'm just not sure what the solution should be yet.

    "Also hiding the power off/sleep modes under settings is a huge mistake. With the start orb I click it once and the sleep button is a few centimetres away. This makes much more sense. "

    While it makes sense to be under settings for tablets (which will have a hardware sleep/off button), I agree that on Desktops it needs to be more readily available.  Have you tried putting your mouse in the lower-right (where Start Orb used to be) and RIGHT-clicking?  That's where the option should be for desktop users.

    "I didn't play around with it much but it wasn't easy to determine what metro apps were open. This is the same bs apple does. I had to go into the task manager to close down certain apps."

    With Metro, you don't need to care.  You don't HAVE to go to task manager to close down certain apps.  Anyway, to determine the last 7 (give or take I guess, depending on resolution?) Metro apps, go to upper left, and when the thumbnail appears, move down to show the list of most recent apps.  You can switch directly to any of them by clicking (or cycle through them by clicking in upper left corner without moving down).  Any app not used for a while just falls off this list.  It's not using any resources.  You don't have to care.  However, if you want to remove an app from the list of apps you cycle through or that show up in the Metro task list, you can just grab it at the top and drag it to the bottom to close it.

    As for look and feel of the desktop clashing with Metro… I really think it would be nice (and it can't be THAT difficult, can it?) if they offered a "Metro Theme" for the desktop.  You can already choose "Classic" and various colored Areo themes, and I know there are third party themes that do everything from XP look-and-feel to "Wood".  Why not put together a new Theme that is a bit more "metro" in look and feel, so the switch isn't so jarring?  That would be an OPTION for people that wanted it.

    Can anyone comment on the feasability of that idea?  Anyone from Microsoft?

  331. John Nicholl says:

    Loving windows 8.

    Found an issue with a (Multi)touchscreen laptop I installed it on.  The ONE pixel around the edges for activating the Charms bar ect.  is hidden behind the laptop screen bezel!  So I have to use the mouse to get to search or swipe between apps!  You should really think about this as it causes the OS to fail in usibility!

    Keep up the good work folks.

  332. pax says:

    @pmbAustin 2 Mar 2012 7:36 AM

    quote:

    "There are a lot of users out there which do not want to leave the desktop every time they perform a search."

    You don't have to.  Use the Search Charm while on the desktop, and the search pane doesn't cover the entire desktop… exactly what you said you wanted.

    end quote

    That is not true.

    No matter what I do, as soon as I press the Search Charm I'm thrown into the Metro interface, effectively breaking my workflow.

    @Trolls Go Home.

    You're winning the argument for us. @Neydamn had some arguments, why this was not good enough and even some suggestion.

    Wether you agree with the arguments or not, is irrelevant. You are entitled to disagree.

    But your post contains nothing of value and only proves that you're a fanboy who gets angry whenever someone says something bad about your newest shiny toy.

    If you feel the need to openly disagree, at least provide some counter arguments instead of childish name-calling.

    So who is the real troll here?

    One should not fear change, but change for the sake of change is just silly.

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

  333. Francesco Leotta says:

    quote:

    "There are a lot of users out there which do not want to leave the desktop every time they perform a search."

    You don't have to.  Use the Search Charm while on the desktop, and the search pane doesn't cover the entire desktop… exactly what you said you wanted.

    end quote

    Is it possible it doesn't work with a resolution of 1280*800? It seems in Windows 8 my screen is too small even to make snap. This is unsane to me. How can they say this resolution (I remember this was the default only two years ago for 13 inches laptops) is not enough anymore?

  334. There are no improvements to the problems I pointed out to Microsoft. I reported these through the Send Feedback Tool, through the B8 blog and forums and email. All in vain.

    -  Windows Explorer still auto sorts all files. (Problem since Vista)

    -  You still can't manually arrange items in Explorer. (Problem since Windows 7)

    -  The servicing (CBS) store still grows in disk space significantly with every installed update so your free disk space reduces over time. (Problem since Vista)

    -  Updates/hotfixes still install a million times slower compared to XP. (Problem since Vista)

    -  Explorer Status bar still hides important details. (Problem since Vista but worse in Windows 8)

    -  Hibernation still occurs on a blank screen with no progress despite taking some time (Problem since Vista)

    -  Folders still get silently merged during a copy operation, you only get prompted for files. (New issue in Windows 8)

    -  The new Task Manager still has the same problems I pointed out. (New issue in Windows 8)

    -  You cannot customize your window appearance like title bar size, caption buttons etc. (New issue in Windows 8)

    -  Start Menu is gone. (New issue in Windows 8)

    -  Shutdown, Logon and Logoff sounds are gone (New issue in Windows 8)

    -  Network Map is gone. (New issue in Windows 8)

    -  Flip 3D is gone. (New issue in Windows 8)

    -  Chkdsk scanning details at startup showing what corrections it made to the file system are gone. (New issue in Windows 8)

    But Microsoft doesn't care. They only know how to force their changes on users and say "This is by design". Even bugs are "by design". Before or after the product ships, no design changes requested by end users are made. You only create the illusion that you are listening to customers and making changes based on their feedback. Regressions in functionality are not fixed with top priority. Microsoft has become a company just like Apple. They think they know what's best for everyone. Your software has far too limited configurability. We want increased configurability, more customizable operating system.

    You do listen to a handful of customers. But that's 0.000000000000000000001 percent of a billion customers. Rest of them face constant migration fatigue and loss of functionality in an "upgrade". Every time I pay for Ultimate edition, I am paying for losing features besides gaining features. I want the Start Menu, Network Map, Flip 3D and Chkdsk details at startup. I want the removed sound events back. Because these were all there in Windows 7 and I used them. I want a higher performing, less bloated servicing store (WinSxS). I do not want files in Explorer sorted automatically making them jump. I want to adjust advanced appearance settings like I could in Windows 7.

  335. Giulio says:

    Hi Team!

    I've a suggestion for you: can you put a close button in the Charm Bar on the right of the screen?

    In this way it's simpler for a PC-boy to close Apps, instead of perform mouse gesture.

    Thank you.

  336. Jason Hanford-Smith says:

    @xpclient It sounds like you want Windows 7. Or, judging by your nickname, Windows XP.

    Looking at your list of "issues", most of them are inherent in the last three versions of Windows. They're also not issues so much as wants. For example, I for one prefer the explorer sorting – I was forever resorting files in XP. Claiming that the "Start Menu is gone" and "Flip 3D is gone" are issues is akin to complaining that "the Command prompt is not the default any more" with Windows 95!

  337. David says:

    I agree with the comments that the hotcorners are useless on multi monitor setups. They are also frustrating to use in non full screen virtual machines. Get rid of them!

    Also please add a power option to the start screen. It should not be hidden away in the settings button.

    Other than that, I'm starting to like Windows 8.

  338. PerseusPrime says:

    Steven,

    My 2 cents:

    1. Windows 8 does not add any value to PC, Desktop, Laptop experience. So don't even release it. There is no way users will migrate to Win 8. If there are any improvements, just release a service pack but don't make the mistake of selling this to PC Users. You will get a bad name.

    2. Windows 8 does add a lot of value to tablets and touch screens. Just release it for this market and you will do well.

    Unifying is a good but integrating two different experiences into one can become a disaster.

    P.S: I am a windows fan boy.

  339. @Steven Sinofsky

    Why am I having trouble posting comments? Several times now, I have tried to link to my newest "A List of Problems with Metro and Redesign Recommendations" post, and none of my comments have appeared despite displaying the green "Thank you for commenting" window.

  340. @Jason Hanford-Smith, please speak for yourself or don't be so ignorant. The issues I am talking about are also faced by other users (if you bother to look in Microsoft's Windows 7 and Windows 8 forums). No one is requesting a way to never sort. I am merely saying it should be option instead of being forced to sort continuously. If something doesn't bother you, kindly shut up or learn to ignore it, don't assume no one else wants it. This blog is to give feedback to Microsoft, not to ask other users' rude opinions.

  341. Some quick thoughts that came in my mind when using the preview

    *) No visual representation when I tag a network connection as limited.

    *) Some apps seem to crash just after opening but there is no report what caused them to be killed.

  342. Forgot to mention:

    *) Would be more "natural" if I can click and hold the mouse button on the start screen to scroll.

  343. Jason Hanford-Smith says:

    @xpclient I apologise. I took your comments, such as "But Microsoft doesn't care. They only know how to force their changes on users and say "This is by design"." as a rant. I did not realise it was constructive criticism.

  344. Jason Hanford-Smith says:

    @heissm the mouse-dragging is the one thing they should have done to improve the Metro UI for desktop users. The mouse-wheel scrolling is inconsistent at best.

  345. ben says:

    "I just discovered that, when on the desktop, if you RIGHT click the 'start' icon, you get a really useful context menu, with links to a cmd prompt, control panel, and more.  I'm 5 times happier with Windows 8 now I've found it.. but why hide it as a context menu. Make the damned thing visible so we know it's there." MY COMPUTER SHOULD BE THERE TOO.

  346. Feedback says:

    On screen keyboard needs some work in desktop mode and metro.  Either modes the keyboard always disappears on me in the middle of typing because my fingers misses the slightly. In both modes it should pop up automatically when there is a cursor blinking a text box, and in desktop mode it should move out of the way automatically of the text box.

  347. dgschrei says:

    So I've been playing around with the Storage Spaces.  And so far I'm pretty disappointed.

    Made up a drive pool out of:

    1 2TB drive and

    3 1TB drives

    I constructed my Storage Spaces with the parity option and as far as I see it, it unfortunately behaves just like a RAID 5 would. Meaning that it stopped working once it had written 1TB of data to each of the drives.

    So it basically seems that if you put disks with different capacities inside a drive pool the usable amount of storage in the pool is:

    number of drives * capacity of smallest drive

    Just like in a normal RAID. And if that's true than this new feature would be completely useless to me. The entire point of Storage Spaces for me seemed to be that if you ran out of space after a year or so, you could just add another drive to the pool and everything would be fine.

    But a year later I won't buy a drive with the same capacity than all my other drives. The price/gigabyte will be better on bigger drives by that time.

    So after I had written 4 TB onto the Spaces it stopped working and complained it needed more disks (even though the Storage Spaces page in control panel also told me that there was still about 1 TB of physical disk space free.

    So I went ahead and threw another 2TB drive into the pool to see what would happen. Well absolutely nothing happened. Because the 1TB drives were still filled to 100% the Spaces still wouldn't work. So I thought, well let's wait a little, so that it can move stuff off of the full drives and onto the new one.

    Well it didn't do that either. It just sat there with 1 2TB drive filled by 50% and the other filled 0 % i.e. wasting 3 TB of storage and still complained that there was no more space available.

    I sure hope that this is a temporary shortcoming that will get fixed by the time Windows 8 hits RTFM. Otherwise this is completely useless to almost everyone. The way it's working right now, I would be far better off just using the RAID 5 off the Intel chipset than to bother with Storage Spaces. And that is a real shame.

  348. Tim Cook says:

    Wow.  Windows 8 is the very best operating system on the planet.  I wouldn't waste anymore time with the consumer preview – head straight to the Release Candidate and get this wonderful product out into the world as soon as possible.  Windows users are salivating for the oppurtunity to use such a great product.

  349. asiaworldcity says:

    Why this time only have one million people download(first day)? Windows 7 had 2.5 million download(first day). This is an alert that consumer is not accept this product in non-touch screen(I don't know on touch screen). So Microsoft should let consumer to choose and listen their need. Windows Mobile use desktop design so not success. Then now Windows use Windows Phone design. So I don't think Metro is great for non-touch device.

  350. petmal says:

    Hello, people at Microsoft. I don't want to repeat what others have already said, so, long story short. The user experience feels extremely inconsistent. There are two distinct worlds (Aero and Metro) and the users are forced going back and forth between them. What's even worse is that every time the Metro screen comes in it obscures all running applications and totally breaks the workflow. You treat Desktop (Aero) as a second-class citizen. Are you still a workstation OS company? I understand that the majority of your users are not IT professionals, but keep in mind that if the IT professionals don't like and don't use the system, they won't install, recommend and develop new software for it. Remember Vista. Give the users a choice. Metro is perfect for touch-devices like tablets, but it is not well-suited for workstations. Not yet. Don't try to achieve too much in one release!

  351. @Aroush – "@Mazhar: use the best tool for the job.  You're not gonna want to do heavy lifting in apps like Visual Studio, Photoshop, etc in a metro application."

    So why do the lightweight apps, including the app launcher,  run full-screen, whereas the heavy duty apps do not? Doesn't that strike you as being somewhat backwards?

  352. Nas says:

    I see that the only countries developers can create windows 8 store developer account are US, Germany, France and India. Why is UK and other countries not listed yet.

    Is MS going to allow developers from other countries when Windows 8 is finally released.

    It is really frustrating to find this out.

  353. Neveradmit Yourewrong says:

    Microsoft will never admit they are wrong, they will keep this pathetic 'user interface' in Windows 8, and hence lose BILLIONS of dollars in revenue, and all because a handful of egotistical fools there, couldn't be bothered to actually ask their customers what they want.

    How anybody can actually think Metro is an improvement over the old (i.e. working) user interface, is beyond me. You can see the idiots on here saying "You just touch in the bottom left corner" etc.etc. NONE of that is intuitive – meaning, nobody will know that it can be done, so the user interface is therefore an epic fail. The problem is that the user interface idiots at Microsoft have to justify their existence, so they keep coming up with more stupid ideas with each iteration of Windows. Why doesn't whoever is in charge of these idiots just SACK them and stop rewarding people for incompetence?

  354. Laughable says:

    "Wow.  Windows 8 is the very best operating system on the planet.  I wouldn't waste anymore time with the consumer preview – head straight to the Release Candidate and get this wonderful product out into the world as soon as possible.  Windows users are salivating for the oppurtunity to use such a great product."

    Tim Cook – Windows 8 User Interface Design Team.

    LOL. Unless your comments were sarcastic, it's so hard to tell with a user interface this bad…

  355. Jonathan says:

    This will be the first Windows version I WILL NOT BUY. Words cannot express how deeply disappointed I am with this version of Windows. After the pure perfection that was windows 7, you have gone and completely obliterated it with this mess. This OS belong on tablets, it does not belong on laptops for desktops. Metro just gets in the way. I DETEST apple and they way they do business, but since MS has apparently decided to follow their leads, I may just end up switching. At least I can still, for now, get a real desktop OS from Apple, and not this Tablet/phone monstrosity shoehorned into Windows and forced upon me.

    I sincerely hope that Windows 8 is a failure of epic proprotions so that I might be blessed with a Windows 9 that is actually built with it's PRIMARY users in mind, those that have keyoboards and mice, and do REAL WORK on their computers that goes beyond web browsing and taking crappy pictues with built in cameras.

    Honestly, what would have been so terrible about making this for Windows on ARM, and keeping REAL windows as a separate OS for real computers?

    Also, the new logo is beyond ugly.

  356. I took the time to read all the comments, and recorded them in two categories:

    1. Posts that express dislike for: metro on the desktop & laptop, the missing start menu, hot corners on multiple monitors/vm, no scrolling with mouse drag and other mouse issues, hidden shutdown: 181

    2. Other posts: 167 (including around 30 "I'm downloading now!" comments and around 20 comments by pmbAustin)

    Conclusion? I think there is a word that describes attempting to force Metro start screen and apps on desktop computers, but I don't remember it… what could it be… Oh! I know!

    FAIL!

  357. BTW, I hope someone would convince Apple to take Steven Sinofsky as a replacement for Steve Jobs.

    Maybe this way Windows 9 will return to being a productivity OS like Windows 7, and unlike Windows 8.

  358. netspring says:

    I'm a MS fanboy and I'll love MS products, but I totally agree with Jonathan. I love my Omnia 7 running Windows Phone 7 but its interface doesn't belongs to the same world as my other, real, computers.

    I'm decevied by this Cosumer Preview, and Windows 8. It's a chimeric product looking like a beta tablet only focused OS. Just get rid off Metro on the desktop and off the server version it it will be a minor version geeks loved to update to.

  359. Smeeble says:

    Please with Metro apps allow them to snap 25% 50% and 75% not just 25 and 75. Allow 2 Metro apps to take up half the screen each!

  360. I'm replying to this thread right now on Win8 CP and I had to turn off my second monitor because it was impossible to hit the corners for the charms bar when the mouse slides over to the second screen. I can't even imagine how bad this is for people with more than 2 screens! Also having the desktop show on the second monitor while the Start menu looks horrible. It also disables the ability for me to fling my mouse to the right to scroll over like you can in single monitor mode. Broke! Broke! Broke!

    Running Win8 64bit CP:

    Asus G500 Laptop: intel Core2 Duo 1.8Ghz, 4GB Ram, NVidia 9700m GT 512MB.

  361. asiaworldcity says:

    Why the mouse can't drag the Metro UI directly? Like move don't need to use the bottom bar. Drag the tiles to move, and if you want to move the tiles. Click edit. So that is more easy for mouse to use.

  362. zomnamdlo says:

    It's all been said already but another voice of dissent can only bolster the case.

    Metro feels like using a photo printing kiosk at your local department store, so restrictive it becomes idiot proof. That is the primary reason I will never buy apple, it reeks of cynicism towards consumer competency.  

    Furthermore Metro's integration of this minimalistic intent is highly flawed, an utter lack of visual cues, cumbersome popouts that clash with the beveled glass desktop housing oversized childlike glyphs.

    While in desktop mode, the bottom right corner produces too many UI changes – the desktop showing, then as you move away, charm bar and clock showing and finally your windows popping up again, it's ugly.

    I would put money on a spike of carpel tunnel syndrome following the adoption of metro. Whilst touchscreens may make it a breeze to navigate through metro, on a large high density screen such as many of us mouse/keyboard users have, the mouse millage to perform previously simple and obvious tasks – like closing an app becomes tedious work.

    If there's one thing we've learnt from the web, scrolling horizontally is a hideously unnatural task best avoided at all costs. At the very least, if for whatever inane reason horizontal overflow is a necessity, please provide click and toss scrolling with inertia.  

    Non-metro app tiles look shocking. The 'all apps' section is a mess, the expanding folder paradigm very successfully simplified large sets into discreet easily discernible paths. Displaying everything at once is overwhelming and chaotic resulting in a time consuming hunt for your target.

    IMO There are far better ways to unify the metro/desktop paradigm, some amalgamation of active desktop mixed with metro would yield a much better experience, make metro the background and hub of your desktop as opposed to being thrown into a Picasso painting only to be routinely jettisoned into the 'real world' again. Traversing these opposite end of spectrum gui's is a horrid experience.

    The desktop taskbar ought to be slightly metrofied and always on top of the aforementioned metro background hub,  it would serve as a much less cumbersome task switcher than the obscure corner popout and a much more elegant marriage of the two worlds.

    Several applications still have the insipid gradiented menu bar on them, these should be updated to reflect the explorer style, or better yet, moved into the window chrome.

    I wonder how long until some enterprising dirt-bag builds adware to infiltrate the metro tiles turning our *cough* lovely start screens into a display of free-market fridge magnets.

    Personalization? don't patronize me, the palette is woefully inadequate. Give me custom backgrounds – hell put them in an advanced settings section if you don't want idiots choosing clashing backgrounds.

    In essence Windows 8 feels detrimental to the desktop use-case in favor of tablets/touchscreens despite Steven Sinofsky's assurances to the contrary, perception is reality. Force us to adapt to something so abhorrent and watch how quickly we jump ship.

    To all the proponents who say 'stop living in the past', resistance to forward thinking etc etc. those quips are unhelpful, they do nothing to address the flaws the majority of us find. There's nothing wrong with change at all, ill-conceived change to cash in on an unproven market at the expense of a proven one however is sheer idiocy.

    Not to be all glib the underlying changes to the performance of the os are fantastic, the ribbon is great and the new task manager is stellar my only hope is that Microsoft learnt something from the up-folder button debacle and takes the overwhelming consensus here seriously before making us wait until windows 9 before rectifying their misguided changes.

  363. zomnamdlo says:

    Addendum: Turning off the input indicator for the taskbar doesn't persist after a restart.

  364. Using Win8 32-bit (haven't tried the 64-bit version yet), I noticed a couple things:

    - After opening the onscreen keyboard during minisetup and then dismissing it, it would refuse to open again.

    - After entering a name for the PC and then going to the next screen, you can go back to that screen again, but it won't let you change the name (saying you should change it in control panel). That seems like an unnecessary and annoying design choice.

    I have no complaints about the desktop (other than no start button). The explorer changes, task manager changes, etc are all great.

    Regarding metro… It looks aesthetically better than in the developer preview. Usability is better in some ways and worse in others. When using it with a mouse and keyboard:

    - No click and drag on the Start Screen and having to use scrollbars for everything is quite annoying.

    - I'm still not entirely clear on where to expect various controls to be. I have to move to the 4 sides, 4 corners, and click the right mouse button at a minimum on every screen, then look through everything that may or may not appear. It's very labyrinthine. I have no cues about where I am in the workflow, and no idea which menus are available and how to open them at any given moment. The different flavors of start screen (tiles, search, and app lists) feel disconnected from each other because of the lack of visual cues usually provided by chrome. Counting the desktop, it's almost like 4 or more different interfaces mashed together — plus charm bars and this bar and that bar etc etc. I also keep getting stuck somewhere and can't go back one step. I have to go all the way back to the tiles screen instead by clicking in the corner. Even the start button itself has to be searched for. Can you remember how to get to the start button? Sure, easy. But it's just bad UI design. It's not supposed to be a treasure hunt to find it in the first place.

    - I was grateful I eventually figured out how to enter an address in metro style IE10 without going forward or back in the history (there should be a prize). Then it helpfully covered up the whole rest of the screen. So much for using info on a page while typing a new address. If I wanted to see a list of favorites and so forth, I would press a favorites button to see them.

    - The metro version of a taskbar was a welcome addition. It is awkward to open though. You have to keep the mouse steady as you slide to the corner and straight down or you slide off and have to try again.

    - I know Microsoft has committed itself to the concept of chromeless apps, but adding just the barest minimum of chrome to show badly needed context cues and basic command menus would make such a difference for the better. Chromeless apps sound nice in the marketing, but using them is absolute hell.

  365. Mazhar says:

    Metro IE:

    ———–

    The Metro IE in Windows 8 is very hard to use!

    There are no settings,

    You can't change your homepage, can we?

    Switching to tabs is difficult,

    To invoke address bar, you have to right click on an empty space!

    Metro Apps:

    —————

    Why there is not an easy way to close a Metro app? As far as I know there are two ways to close it:

    1. Alt+F4. Now I dont like pressing it every time to close an app.

    2. Winkey+Tab > Right click any app and press close. So much clicks and presses just to close an app?

    Shutting Down:

    ——————

    1. Go to Desktop > Alt+F4 > Ok

    2. Charms Bar > Settings > Power > Shut Down

    Really?

    Metro Environment:

    ————————-

    When I was going through PC Settings, the overall metro look disappointed me.

  366. Good one says:

    I like consumer preview overall, like app switching, like removal of start orb, like hot corners, like closing apps, and I like spell check.

    Some things I like to see improvements: search apps/settings/files, make it better, provision a way to pin settings and other things to start screen; ex: Second Screen, Air Plane Mode.

  367. After using W8CP some more the more it is obvious the Metro is useless on desktop PCs. I do not want an app that uses the entire or half a screen. As a replacement for gadgets on the desktop (as sizable frame-less windows)  it may have a use but as it stands Metro is just a source of frustration(throwing you back to the start screen just to do a search is a example of this) on a real PC.

  368. SteveOZ says:

    I've used W8CP on my Samsung BUILD tablet – Microsoft still don't "get it". Do us all a favour – build an IOS-like tablet OS for tablets, OSX-like OS for PC's.

  369. Mazhar says:

    Also consider the fact that Metro Apps are not resizeable, movable for productive multi-tasking.

  370. NNCOLOMBIA says:

    Good evening, from Colombia.

    Viewing the Internet I found several blogs and post rumors that Windows 8 is going to have 9 versions, if so, are many. Please reconsider and reduce these types of releases because they are contradicting the philosophy that the new Windows will be easier for the user.

    The normal user will not know which version to install and doing the same if you install Ultimate or Home Basic.

    I hope to read my comment and that of others and may well change some things.

    listen to the User's favor.

    http://www.genbeta.com/…/microsoft-no-aprende-existiran-nueve-ediciones-distintas-de-windows-8

  371. shahin says:

    consumer preview is fantastic . in developer preview I had doubt about metro but now with all those great gestures , it shines.

    keep on , you are heading a write direction.

    till now I have found a bug: sometimes when I leave start screen and go to desktop , the desktop appears completely in one color (same color of start screen theme ), other things work great on my laptop.

    BTW, please activate these features for "Iran" : maps, weather, store , specially store.

    thanks

  372. Hi Steven, It would be good if you had something like InstallBox where actually one can drag apps from Market Place and schedule it for download and install. also possibility to pause one or all Apps. Thanks

  373. shahin says:

    @shahin

    write >>>>>>>>>>>>>right

    sorry

  374. jesus says:

    por que no ha salido en español que es uno de los idiomas en muchos paises o algun muy para cmabiar el idioma????

  375. Some feedback from using the consumer preview:

    Many of the store apps do not support scrolling with the mouse/cursor keys by default, this is something that needs to be emphasised for metro apps which wouldn't normally be a problem with traditional desktop apps that are not built for touch.

    When displaying the thumbnail app previews on the left of the screen, moving the mouse over the preview image causes it to disappear, the mouse needs to be moved vertically along the edge first which is not obvious and too easy to get wrong.

    The app thumbnails do not display the name of the app (as in alt-tab view), this makes it hard to determine which app is which if the thumbnails are not easy to tell apart or are largely white, a tooltip would work well.

    Fairly often, the desktop background does not display correctly and has patches blocked out in the metro accent colour until refreshed.

    I still think metro apps that are running should be indicated in some way on the start screen.

    Keep up the good work MS :)

  376. Derek says:

    Ok I will try some constructive feedback on this but it might get lengthy:

    I am running Windows 8 in a VMPlayer instance with 1024MB RAM. Works great and fluently.

    I love Metro on Windows Phone. My next phone will definitely be a Windows Phone. So there is no negative bias towards Metro and tiles.

    Lets start with the start screen:

    - I want to be able to change the colour of each tile.

    - I want to be able to select the picture of each tile.

    - I want to be able to select multiple files and perform an action on them (like increase or decrease size)

    - I figured out that with a scroll wheel you can zoom the size. This is nice. But selecting a tile in zoomed view should start the app and not simply zoom back to full size.

    - I don´t like the way the context menu gets displayed. It is not a context menu it is a context bar. It is not necessary. Mouse travelling is lenghty to select an up in the upper right Corner and travel back only to remove it from the Start screen.

    Here is my suggestion:

    Context menu is necessary for 2 cases: When a tile has been selected and when no tile has been selected.

    1. Case: A tile has been selected

    There is this huge START word. Why not put the context Buttons between "START" and the Profile Name? They would be visible always but can be greyed out when nothing has been selected. This way they would always be visible and always at the same position. Even if the start screen gets scrolled. It would be more productive.

    2. Case: No tile has been selected

    In this case the context bar only shows the option to display all apps. Again: Why not utilize the "START" word? Convert it into a button which unfolds a context menu. This menu could contain some general functions like "Show all apps", "Search" "Zoom", etc. Also if there would be an option to pin an app to this start menu everything would be more easy.

    Putting "Zoom" into such a menu, you could remove it from the hot corner.

    The list of apps is not good. I want to be able to customize the list:

    - I want to be able to rename apps

    - I want to be able to create groups

    - I want to be able to move the around

    - When using the "Search by alphabet" function, I want it to show ALL apps which start with the selected letter and not only the first one in the list (its useless as there might be different groups and it would only jumpt to the app from the first group)

    Generally the hot corner concept is weird and they are hard to hit:

    1. When moving into the bottom left corner for the start screen I can see the start screen thumbnail. Now when I am doing what I am used to do, trying to select the displayed thumbnail, it disappears. This is by no means intuitive. You are showing something to the user and when he trys to grab it, it disappears. Thats dumb. it should behave like anyone would expect it: Show thumbnail and let user select it. Btw: You are doing this when selecting the upper right or bottom right corner. It shows the charm bars and the charm bar remains until I select one of its icons.

    2. When trying to hit the bottom left corner, when the mouse is too far down, the thumbnail still gets displayed, but clicking only makes it disappear and nothing happends.

    Also why can I not customize the charm layout? Why is there this ugly clock? Useless.

    Also I believe the start screen should behave like an app. I should be able to switch to it it via ALT+TAB

    Generally the user experience has room for improvement. Windows 8 clearly trys to manage 2 different worlds but witout offering a consistent experience. Windows explorer is a simple example: In Metro the url input is at bottom, in Desktop mode it is on top. Your decision not to support Flash in Metro, users are forced to switch between these 2 worlds constantly.

    I don´t think the user experience is the worst ever. But it certainly is not the best either. XP still is more intuitive than this:

    Why can I not pin "My computer" to the taskbar? Why am I forced to pin it into explorer which requires an extra mouseclick to reach it?

    Where can I tell a shortcut to open a maximized window?

    But ribbon in Explorer is really cool!!

    I don´t think this will be a huge success. A lot of people will have problems to adapt to the usage concepts as they are not consistent. You have only made the first step to merge to different worlds and there is still a lot of work to offer a consistent user experience no matter if Metro or Desktop. These 2 worlds not only have to merge they have to melt into each other. This has not yet been achieved.

  377. Mike G says:

    I miss jump lists form start menu.

    Would it be OK to add jump lists to tiles somehow?

  378. Lizzle says:

    What feels weird is that the left preview menu seems to duplicate taskbar functionality for Metro apps with the desktop being treated as one. If desktop apps also appeared in that menu it wouldn't be a terrible way to navigate between applications. But as it stands if I was in a Metro app I'd have to go to the left preview menu, then select the "desktop app" and then once back in the desktop head down to the taskbar to get those apps up. Again there's an extra step involved. It'd feel logical for all Metro and desktop apps to be in the preview menu or for them all to be on the taskbar in the traditional minimise/maximise format. Either one of those would make switching between desktop and Metro apps seameless and perhaps it wouldn't feel as alien or jarring. To be honest if it was like that I probably wouldn't be as opposed to trying a few Metro apps for certain basic functions like a Facebook or Twitter app.

  379. unit3k says:

    Download Windows 8 Beta here:

    http://www.download-windows-8.com

  380. Eerjo says:

    Everything is great, but wish there's an option to make the text of Metro style app larger

    string looks like a row of ants when displays on high a resolution monitor

  381. Metronimo says:

    What exactly is the use of the start screen? Why can I not pin it onto the taskbar which would be great?

    Why does start Screen has to have own background. It would be less inconsistent if it would share the same Background with Desktop.

    What would be really cool if starts Screen would be a Desktop app, which I can pin to the taskbar and if it would not open full screen. I shold be able to tell if it should 1 2 3 … x tiles wide. So it would be more like a start Screen popup which I could Launch from my taskbar.

  382. Scasc says:

    Start screen scrolling with mouse (improvement suggestion).

    The scenario is an all in one or laptop PC, with touchscreen placed in landscape mode, plus mouse/keyboard connected.

    Scrolling the start screen left/right with touchscreen gestures (left/right movements) looks good with the tiles placed in landscape mode, as per current windows 8 consumer preview behaviour.

    However, scrolling the start screen with the mouse wheel rotation up/down (I have understood that is a feasible option) does not look so good, since the mouse wheel rotation up/down results in tiles scrolling left/right.

    A possible start screen usage improvement with mouse could be:

    - completely remove horizontal scroll bar (it also looks too "old fashioned" form me, like a wrongly designed web page that does not fit in the screen).

    - eventually, force the presence of the mouse wheel (present from at least 10 years) as a mandatory requirement to run windows 8 on traditional (no touchscreen) PCs.

    - by default, place tiles in landscape mode (i.e. show the "semi-hidden" tiles groups on left and right side of the main focused tiles group), as per current windows 8 consumer preview behaviour.

    - by default, hide the mouse icon, also if mouse is connected (to remove the "old windows" look and feel and to attract the "windows haters").

    - by default, leave the mouse wheel not active.

    - if mouse is moved, (1) show the mouse icon, for 10 seconds.

    - if mouse is moved, (2) fade-out the "semi-hidden" tiles groups from the default position and fade-in them on the top and on the bottom of the main focused tiles group, for 10 seconds.

    - if mouse is moved, (3) activate the mouse wheel, for 10 seconds.

    - if mouse wheel is rotated within 10 seconds, scroll tiles up/down or bottom/up.

    - if mouse is neither moved nor mouse wheel is rotated within 10 seconds, revert back the above actions (1) to (3) i.e. hide mouse icon, de-activate the mouse wheel and display again the semi-hidden tiles groups in landscape mode.

    - if screen is touched within 10s, immediately revert back the above actions (1) to (3) i.e. hide mouse icon, de-activate the mouse wheel and display again the semi-hidden tiles groups in landscape mode.

    - to be noted that, for traditional (no touchscreen) PCs, the above actions (1) to (3) can be the default windows 8 behaviour (in order to minimise the number of the new "windows 8 metro UI/start screen haters").

  383. Mike G says:

    Small search charm issue…

    I have an app docked to the right.

    I open the charms panel and do a search in the app.

    But there is no search displayed… the app is hidden under the charms panel!!!

    I suggest you temporarily "full-screen" the app in this scenario.

    Thanks

  384. JH says:

    Issues:

    - The Settings bar is undiscoverable

    - All Apps page is difficult to access and certain access methods are undiscoverable (Win+Q)

     Shortcuts are all good, but there are a lot of users out there who don't use shortcuts

    - Quitting a Metro app is undiscoverable

     Sometimes we really need to quit apps, especially apps with sensitive information.

    - App switcher limits number of apps to switch between

     Appears to be limited by resolution in Metro, and a static number in Aero (19?)

    - Metro app switcher cannot switch to Desktop apps

    - No tooltips/notification overlays on apps in App Switcher

     Once a notification is gone, there's no way to review it.

    - "Shutdown"/"Restart" options in Settings

     This doesn't make sense at all

    - Increased difficulty in clicking corner objects

     This includes the charms bar affecting clicking on ribbon and toolbar items

    - The constant jump between Metro and Aero is jarring

    - Background cannot be dragged to scroll

  385. This article is spot on when describing the issues with Windows 8 http://www.theregister.co.uk/…/andrew_does_windows8

  386. Windows9 says:

    The Power of Desktop .. i should no one can do power work with metro …

    See it here, what you can do with Windows 7 :

    http://desktop.onlive.com/

  387. Improver says:

    Several suggestions to improve the start screen experience:

    1. Make the wording "START" a button which opens the context menu to perfom Action against the entire start screen list. This should include "search", "Show as list", "zoom".

    2. Instead of popping up a bar below the tiles as context menu, put the context menu buttons above the tiles between "START" and username.

    3. Let the start screen behave like any app does

    4. Let me pin apps to my desktop taskbar

    5. Let me drag apps onto my desktop

    6. Let me decide the change the display size of apps

    7. Let me customizse background of start screen and colour of tiles.

    8. Put app name into left side app list. I just happend to click the calender app for thinking it is the calculator as it does not show the name and indeed looks like a calculator.

  388. Imrpover says:

    Several suggestions to improve the start screen experience:

    1. Make the wording "START" a button which opens the context menu to perfom Action against the entire start screen list. This should include "search", "Show as list", "zoom".

    2. Instead of popping up a bar below the tiles as context menu, put the context menu buttons above the tiles between "START" and username.

    3. Let the start screen behave like any app does

    4. Let me pin apps to my desktop taskbar

    5. Let me drag apps onto my desktop

    6. Let me decide the change the display size of apps

    7. Let me customizse background of start screen and colour of tiles.

    8. Put app name into left side app list. I just happend to click the calender app for thinking it is the calculator as it does not show the name and indeed looks like a calculator.

  389. Improver says:

    Additionally changing a groups name from the start screen should be as simple as clicking into it and changing it.

  390. Improver says:

    Additionally changing a groups name from the start screen should be as simple as clicking into it and changing it.

  391. Noticed a flaw with the Windows Metro Store. There is no usable "Snapped" version of the store. It just shows the store logo. I thought it was a requirement for all metro apps to have a usable full screen and snapped version.

  392. Prescott_666 says:

    Using Mouse Without Borders, I cannot drag and drop from Windows 8 to another computer.  I have three computers linked together with Mouse Without Borders, one Windows 8 Consumer Preview 32-bit, one Windows 8 Consumer Preview 64-bit, and one Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit.  I can drag and drop files from the Win7 computer to either of the Win8 computers, but not from either of the Win8 computers to the Win7 computer, or from either of the Win8 computers to the other.

  393. Rob says:

    please make shutting down and etc the computer much more easier, I had to look up online how to shut down windows 8, its crazy.

    also

    I love the 360 integration in windows 8, what would make it beyond the most amazing OS, is if you add Remote Play for the 360!! so I can play my 360 using my laptop screen or desktop. that would be the most amazing thing ever. I know PS3 has remote play, so its about time that the 360 does with windows 8.

  394. Prescott_666 says:

    Shutting down is easy compared to Hybernating.  The hot keys still work on the desktop, so to hybernate

    1. go to the desktop

    2. type Win + R

    3. type cmd into the run field, and hit Enter

    4. type shutdown /h

    to shutdown type shutdown /s /t 00

  395. etacarinae says:

    @Steven Sinofsky

    I've been using every iteration of Windows for the past 20 years, since I was 7 years of age. It's been an integral part of my life and career. I've always been a vehement supporter of Windows, but you and your team have successfully destroyed what made Windows a noun, and an operating system. It's now Windows Metro. We your users are not stupid, we're not ambivalent, and we know exactly what your strategy is. That is, you MUST capitalise on the Windows Store – even if at the behest of losing your core market. We also know this is coming directly from the top from Steve Ballmer.

  396. Martinus says:

    Feedback from my experience.

    1) The Start Screen's app bar is USELESS. I would like to add useful options:

    - A Shutdown/Restart option. An intuitive and fast way to turn my PC off or restart it.

    - A Start Screen/PC Settings option. An intuitive and fast way to make system personalizations.

    2) Bringing up Charms with mouse is an annoying experience. I closed a couple of desktop windows while I was trying to access to Charms… A right click on top-right corner will be OK. Solution not ideal, though.

    3) Start Screen personalization. I had to mock up the Start Screen's background image and later change manually windows' glass color to get a nice experience between Metro-Desktop transitions. I would like to change both backgrounds and colors at same time.

    4) Old desktop shortcuts don't match with tiles. I don't want to see a nice tile next to a horrible uninstaller shortcut nor I don't want to waste time unpin manually.

  397. JGodo says:

    @Prescott_666

    If people would like to be using that triks for simple tasks people would be using linux.

  398. Canoe says:

    I'd like to congratulate the Windows team on taking everything that Windows 7 was, – a truly incredible OS, and without doubt the peak of Microsoft's desktop client platform releases, and destroying it by shoe-horning Metro into that platform, the one that earns you the most money, – the desktop client.

    From the perspective of usability, accessibility, common sense, and intuitive functionality, you have failed on every point. This is made all the more sad by the fact that you have made some incredible improvements in the backend of Windows 8. There's clearly a plan here, that's being undertaken without any true recognition or understanding of your customers needs. Merge all platforms into one, at the cost of functionality and basic human interface guidelines, regardless of the cost to the people who need you the most, your customers.

    I'm not angry, just very sad, because you've taken a truly great platform, and made it absurdly unintuitive for the desktop user. The users who don't think their PC is a giant phone, or a touchscreen tablet, the users who still use keyboards and mice. The future isn't quite here yet, and while I understand your desire to grab a piece of the pie that is the tablet market, your manner of doing so, and the bridges you are burning by forcing Metro onto the desktop platform show a blatant disregard for your customer base.

    Your recent turn of phrase has been "No Compromises". Mr Sinofsky, a part of me wonders whether you can look at yourself in the mirror in the morning and honestly believe that, because you have compromised, at the expense of your desktop pc users, and it's a compromise that is far more painful to us than you could ever realise. I sincerely hope it was worth it.

  399. @dgschrei – appreciate your trying out Storage Spaces. We continue to work on usability and performance and your feedback is invaluable. In a nutshell, the root cause for not being able to utilize your additional capacity is lack of sufficient disks to deliver on the parity based resiliency option you have chosen. As you are aware, to deliver on resiliency for your data despite failures, Spaces needs sufficient capacity available over a sufficient number of disks – in your case, the latter condition is not satisfied. If you added 2 more drives (in addition to the drive you already added) – regardless of whether they are 1TB or other different sized drives, you will see that Storage Spaces automatically lets you add more data to your space.

    For the Consumer Preview build, the control panel automatically chose the number of disks originally in your pool as the minimum number to disks needed to deliver parity based resiliency – in your case, that was 4 drives. Therefore, for your deployment, you will need capacity available across 4 drives to continue to add data to your space. Since 3 of your 5 drives are completely full, you currently cannot add more data to your space. Based on feedback such as yours, we intend to change the control panel applet behavior to require only 3 drives (the absolute minimum needed) as the default for parity based resiliency. We are also evolving our notification to more clearly distinguish and communicate lack of sufficient disks versus lack of sufficient capacity. These usability changes will help explain/guide all customers. What that means is with the next release, you will need free space on 3 disks (for parity based resiliency) for the space to continue to grow automatically. For completeness, you will note that 2-way mirroring only needs capacity available across any 2 disks in the pool while 3-way mirroring requires capacity to be available across any 3 disks in the pool.

    Last but not least, we have deliberately chosen not to perform auto-movement of data to try and squeeze out a little more capacity for deployments where most disks have varying sizes and many of them are full (as you might have noticed, we did provide a notification when you copied a large data set which caused you to go past the 70% threshold of possible max utilization). Data movement is expensive in terms of performance impact. We believe that with the forthcoming usability changes, you should be able to continue to enjoy the flexibility provided by spaces simply by adding two disks at a time to the pool (for spaces created using the default options in the control panel applet). Thanks again for the feedback.

  400. Saranya says:

    Why do people demand their desktop back? Because the start screen you are forcing on us is such a crippled  list and so unbelievabley less powerfull than the old destkop + Start button.

    It is hard to understand why you take away a powerful desktop and Start menu and giving us less then we had before. I can´t see why this is considered a step forward.

    Of course one can work with it in a way. But this is the difference between Apple and Microsoft. Apple can create a user experience and their users feel they get something from it. With Microsoft, obviously it is all about what you gonna take away.

    Tablet users will Profit tremendously from this interface. But I don´t see the benefit for desktop users.

  401. Keith Hill says:

    @Karl, I too would like to see the back-button on my mouse work.  I wonder if Win8 made a mistake by not following Windows Phone notion of making "back" a first class operation complete with a dedicated hardware button.  Not only should I be able to press the back button on my mouse (which does work in IE BTW) I should be able to press the backspace key as well.  Unfortunately it is now up to every Metro app to provide their own navigation system from what I can tell.  So it would be hard to make "back" work uniformly across all Metro apps.  Bummer.

  402. Frenz says:

    I find it very interesting that the only Microsoft employee who have commented in either of these threads, happen to address some feedback on Storage Spaces, when everyone else is raging about Metro.

    Have all Microsoft employees had their gag tightened regarding Metro issues on workstations ?

  403. @Microfrost says:

    Is WinRT going to replace destop as an engine – is there a mission staement about your intentions for replacing the desktop and how business user should plan thier updrades and what to invest in for the next five years? should I be using the Metro to start working or should I still train for desktop use in Windows 8, I am confused – desktop does come accross as being phased out in the Consumer Preview – I am not sure if that is what you mean to give off, all of a sudden it seems a little barron and cold.

  404. B. C. says:

    I know only 8-10% of Windows users run the Media Center application, but c'mon… this would have been a stellar METRO application.

    Sure, we are fewer in #, but Windows 7 (and before, Vista and MCE) users are hardcore, loyal users.

    The new start screen is perfect as a 10 ft interface, and it's virtually begging to have a Media Center applet for OTA/cablecard tv.  (Especially now that HDHomeRun 3X cablecard tuner is available relatively cheaply).

    So, I probably won't be going to the trouble of upgrading my Media Center PCs… (although, I am open to switching them with Macs…)

  405. DarkUltra says:

    I searched the comments, and there is an argument missing: users cannot grow with the Metro UI.

    With the Win7 Start Menu I can right click files and quickly find their location. I can drag files to other programs. It is compact (a single list) so I can reach every program and search result with a single click. All these usability features is not possible with the Metro UI and its start screen.

    Having a big 24" monitor and several applications open and quickly shift between them with task bar. Think OC your PC and running OCCT, IBT, GPUZ, AI suite to monitor temperatures and a text document to note progress. Impossible with Metro UI.

    The classic UI in Windows 7 lets the user grow and learn new ways to organize and be more efficient. The Metro UI will hold people back at smart phone level. I love the windows phone and it will be a huge advantage to have access to file system and desktop programs on a Windows 8 tablet, but the Metro UI has very little to offer desktop users, other than nice animations and bloating away the pixels.

    I want the new explorer in Windows 8 so I can minimize the ribbon and use the quick access toolbar, and the unified file transfer dialogue. Unfortunately these vanish if I enable the classic Start Menu. I hope this has changed in the Consumer Preview. Best of both worlds!

  406. @Frenz

    No Microsoft employee comments on the Metro issue because they are either afraid of Steven Sinofsky and his reaction on their comment, or they are explicitly forbidden by Sinofsky to comment on this particular issue.

    See this excellent article to understand how Sinofsky runs the Windows team:

    gizmodo.com/…/meet-the-next-ceo-of-microsoft-steven-sinofsky-is-the-heir-apparent

    A relevant quote from the article:

    "In fact, one person told us that Sinofsky has been pushing Microsoft's public relations group to speak less to the press, and to reconsider showing at big public events like the Consumer Electronics Show (which Microsoft will skip next year for the first time in its history).

    […]

    Current Microsoft employees are extremely reluctant to discuss Sinofsky or Windows even on deep background – not only with reporters, but with anybody. One former member of the Windows group told us that when he brings Sinofsky up in conversation to old friends still at the company, their eyes glaze over and they change the subject."

    After the storm of Metro rage posts, we will probably see a post by Sinofsky in a few days addressing this, and maybe a few concessions will be made to give the impression that our feedback is not ignored, like implementing scroll by mouse drag, a more easily discoverable/accessible shutdown button, and possibly improved hot corners and Metro apps switcher. If we're lucky, and Sinofsky is in a generous mood.

    But I'm also pretty sure that, other than such cosmetic details, no significant changes will be made to address the Metro issue on desktop/laptop computers.

    Another quote from the article above:

    "Sinofsky would also be an absolute leader. Several people told us he demands 100 percent loyalty to his methods – and he can be ruthless and backhanded in undermining people who disagree with him.

    One person who worked with him says, "He's obviously incredibly hard-headed. In any argument, he really sticks to his guns. In any conversation, any attempt to change his position is not successful.""

    He is slowly transforming Microsoft into Apple, and some of the changes are even more extreme than similar changes done by Apple.

    I will use Windows 8. But if this trend is not stopped, I will probably migrate to MacOS or Linux soon after Windows 9 is released.

  407. dgschrei says:

    @Rajeev Nagar

    Thanks for the answer that certainly takes a load off my mind. It does bring up a few follow up questions though.

    From your explanation I gather that as long as I added enough drives for the Space to stripe across it would also start to fill up that 2TB drive -that still had 50% of free space – again? As long as that's the case I'm perfectly fine with that.

    I also can see your point on excluding auto optimization. If I look at my WHS v1 here the thing practically never stops churning the disks. And judging from what I'm getting out of this machine the performance impact of this is anything but minor. ;)

    Also there is another question I have regarding the Parity Spaces. With RAID 5 the write speed is limited by the slowest drive in the array because one needs to read all corresponding stripes on the other drives to calculate the parity data. I guess the same applies to a space running in parity mode? Just asking because in that case I would steer clear of USB drives for my video collection ;) .

    Other than that I definitely appreciate the option to not have any redundancy at all. Perfect for my collection of Steam games (why waste precious disk space if I can just re-download the files if something goes wrong. )

    Also thanks to whoever worked on the native USB 3.0 drivers. Finally I don't have to rely on the shoddy work of Renesas' software department any more. No more bluescreens while transferring large amounts of data. No more USB 3.0 Hubs mysteriously disappearing from device manager. Definitely fine work from Microsoft there.

    I still find quite a few inconsistencies within the UI, especially when it comes down to a multi – monitor environment (practically all of which have been mentioned in the posts above, although I wouldn't have used quite such an angry tone. Seriously people hold off the crying for layoffs until the product goes gold. What you're using here is unfinished work. Geez) but I remember quite well that this was the same for Windows 7 when we got the first real public release of it.  And we all know how well that turned out in the end.  

    I also can see the significant improvement over the developer preview so I'm having high hopes that you will be able to seamlessly merge the Metro and traditional Windows Desktop world.

    So let's end this comment with a few constructive comments on the Start Menu and other UI elements.

    1. You said you had switched to a design philosophy of letting the user discover things for himself. Now while I appreciate this, especially since I hate the notorious hand holding Apple seems to enjoy so much, I would still urge you to do this to  a reasonable extent. For example right clicking the bottom left corner, while on the desktop is an extremely handy and very enjoyable feature that boosts my productivity by a lot. But, without someone in  a forum telling me that this was possible, it might have taken me months to actually realize that. It's just not something that you'd expect.  Now I program for a living so I would say my computer skills are definitely above average. If I'm already having trouble finding tricks like that, the average user probably will have too.

    2. It's been said a lot here but I think in this case repetition helps: Just throwing every single shortcut, that would traditionally have been in the folder structure of the start menu, into one giant field on the start screen is neither very practical nor easy to use.  Right now I'm for example staring at 3 tiles that bear the VLC logo. (One for the preferences, one for the skinned and one for the standard player) If I want to hit the correct one every time, I either have to read the text in the tiles all the time, or I have to delete the two shortcuts I don't use all the time.

    The real problem though is the sheer amount of tiles this generates. The installation of Visual Studio alone puts about 30 shortcuts into the Start Menu. Add a few other more complex tools and you quickly end up with far north of 100 shortcuts that you have to go through.

    My suggestion would be to leverage the dynamic nature of the Metro UI. Just create a Tile that represents a folder for each program or program suite. So that there is a tile for Visual Studio , one for Office, one for the Creative Suite and so on. Now if you click/tap on one of these tiles, all the shortcuts belonging to that program pop out of it and just push away the surrounding tiles. Therefore also minimizing the way your mouse/finger needs to travel to reach the final shortcut. That a) would look really sharp with a nice GPU accelerated animation and b) would really help to clean up the Start Screen.

    For me that's not all that important because I almost always use the option to just type in what I want, but for the many other who don't it would really be a huge improvement to usability.

    Which brings me to my third suggestion.

    3. While I appreciate your desire to categorize my search findings the way it's implemented right now severely limits the usefulness of that feature to me. At first when I tried to for example type in "Stor" to get to Storage Spaces it didn't show me any results. It took me a few tries to realize that the result I wanted was in another category and that I would have to click on that category to get what I wanted. Which is where the problem lies. I use the search function so that I don't have to take my hands off the keyboard.  Windows key -> type -> enter. Nice and most important of all fast.  Introducing the mouse into that scenario kind of defeats the point.

    Unfortunately I don't really have an idea how to solve this any better other than to remove that categorization again. I personally never had the problem of being overwhelmed with too many search results, but since you took the effort to add the feature, I'm guessing other people did.

    4. Quick and simple: Pleeease add the shutdown function as an additional charm to the charm bar.  Shutting down (or more importantly restarting) your machine is not a "setting" it's a vital OS function that should be easy and fast to reach. With 768 pixels being the smallest screen size which is fully supported there is easily enough vertical space to add one more charm.

  408. Foreseer says:

    4 reasons why Windows 8 will fail:

    1. Microsoft failed to deliever a future proven consistant outlook for this OS.

    2. XP still has around 50 % market share. These users will not upgrade to a Windows 8 version with an uncertain future. They will upgrade to Windows 7 which is good and stable. (So will I)

    3. There is nothing in desktop Windows 8 that is a MUST for upgrade.

    4. Windows 7 support ends 2020.

    Users will upgrade to the stable Windows 7 and simply wait what will happen to Windows 8. Windows 8 will not stay like this. So there is no need to hurry and jump on it. Better wait for Windows 9 or Windows 10. This would be in 2018 when you still get Windows 7 support and Microsoft has had plenty of time to improve Windows backt to a true user experience.

  409. Keith Hill says:

    Lots of improvements in this release over the developer preview – especially WRT keyboard/mouse driveability.  Well except that my mouse's back button doesn't navigate back in most metro apps.  It's great to see the new apps like Mail, Calendar, etc. These appear to be a great start.  However I would expect these apps to be at least as good as what I currently have on my Windows Phone 7.5 – but they're not there yet.  For instance, on the mail app, there's no threaded conversation view and I can't pivot by Unread, Important and All.  WRT to Music and Video apps, I was quite surprised to find no way to point these apps at a local collection or a network collection on my Windows Home Server.  Also bummed to see that there is no Podcasts support like there is in the WinPhone Music & Videos app.

    BTW my kids miss the Gravity app.

  410. Tsahi says:

    After activating the hyper v ie10 crash on youtube or any media presentation.

  411. Arthur says:

    Personalization color in the charm right. Black single don´t please. Power OFF, restart, sleep…

    Where is the support for Blu-ray in Windows Media Player ?…

  412. 24h says:

    Would you like to disable the Start Screen on desktop PCs?

    Yes, replace it with the Start Menu – 46%

    I'd just like to default to the desktop – 19.9%

    I think I could get used to it – 15.2%

    I like the Start Screen on desktop PCs – 18.9%

  413. Simon says:

    These last few days I have been running Win8 CP. I can say without hesitation that I am looking forward to running Win8 on my (convertible) Tablet PC. However, on the desktop there are still many productivity killers (although I'm happy to see many improvements since the DP).

    * It's clear that MS have worked on the Win8 experience with keyboard and mouse. However, the mouse-only experience (and I guess this fits most users) is pretty terrible. Many people will not know about the new keyboard shortcuts, nor memorize which 'hot corner' does what. As a result, they will be dragging their pointer up and down the screen in search for basic options. Mouse-kilometers and frustration are both bound to increase.

    Suggestion: when no touch input device is detected, show a basic 'taskbar' at the bottom of the start screen. This could display the charms and the active apps (possibly even desktop applications). It won't hurt to add a 'help' button as well.

    * Metro applications only run on a single screen and insist on running full screen. That's the bad news. The good news is that I can run the start screen on my second display (1024×1280 portrait orientation) so that the context switch is less jarring and 1024px optimized apps are not forced fill my main display. In the few cases where I want a Metro app on my main display, I can do so using Win-PgUp/PgDown.

    Suggestion: let advanced users designate a 1366/1024px wide section of their main display as Metro/Start region.

    * The Metro/Start screen is always shown on the primary display and obscures the view of the system tray + clock. When I'm running in desktop mode on the large display and have a metro app on the second monitor, I need to minimize it Win-D to see the time or my wireless status. [I am having this issue right now, with my SkyDrive open on the second monitor]

    Suggestion: allow the user to decouple the metro/start screen from the system tray/clock screen.

    So far I'm seeing some great work and some debatable decisions. I hope you will judiciously implement a few additional features to make life easier for mouse users and users of desktop applications.

  414. Toni says:

    Windows 8 will be a sucess on tablets/transformers and an disaster on business IT and among desktop users.

    That's a pitty because it was close to be a sucess among Desktop also…

  415. Simon says:

    In addition to my post above, it is very confusing to have two task switchers: alt-tab and win-tab. Their functionality is almost – but not quite – identical.

    * Alt-tab cycles through all running applications, Metro and desktop. Full screen previews are shown when you mouse over an icon.

    * Win-tab cycles through Metro apps only, although it *sometimes* displays a single desktop application (bug?). From the Win-tab menu you can close applications and snap them to left or right.

    This is confusing. Why not show all desktop applications in the Win-tab menu as well? After all, they can be snapped too. And at that point, why not simply replace the alt-tab menu altogether?

  416. Bero says:

    Steven Sinofsky get out of my Window… Now!

  417. Hey Steve & Team,

    I have feedback on few things that require your attention… Is this the best platform to provide consumer feedback? Let me know ASAP

  418. Joao M Correia says:

    New telemetry data just in: The design's team brain is only 1% used. Better cut it. Also, on a totally unrelated measurement, Metro on a desktop doesn't work.

    (This is one of the stages, anger)

  419. @Govindraj Joshi

    This blog is not the best place to provide feedback about the product in any significant detail. While your comment will probably be seen by Steven Sinofsky and the Windows team if you post here, posting long comments here is probably a waste of space. You should either use a Windows 8 forum such as the Windows 8 General forum (I would link to it, but none of my comments containing links have appeared recently) or use the Email Blog Author link.

  420. Really? Microsoft says:

    @WindowsVista567

    "This blog is not the best place to provide feedback about the product in any significant detail"

    There you go, nobody is listen to us. Thats shows Microsoft blindness.

  421. Really? Microsoft says:

    @WindowsVista567

    "This blog is not the best place to provide feedback about the product in any significant detail"

    There you go, nobody is listen to us. Thats shows Microsoft blindness.

  422. Experience says:

    Ought to take a Consumer Preview 2 with changes in mid-April, before the Release Candidate. I am totally disappointed, and yes, I have a hp desktop.

  423. mdm7923 says:

    @Steven Sinofsky

    How little common sense does the windows team have?…. A smartphone and a workstation are not the same thing. You CANNOT shoehorn the same interface across all devices. They are used for different things. This is asinine and is no different than throwing a desktop interface onto a smartphone or tablet!!! Windows 7 did not work well on tablets, therefore one can infer that Windows 8 (in its current form) will NOT work well on PCs. You are making the SAME mistake however this time the tables are turned against Desktop and Enterprise users and they are your LARGEST user base!!!!

    Just to point this out clearly to you people. WINDOWS 8 needs a separate Desktop (No Metro) and Tablet (Metro) version PERIOD!!! Apple understands this and this is why their app store includes desktop applications.

    Microsoft, You can fix this, there is no reason (other than arrogance) that WINRT cannot be used on the desktop. There is no reason (other than arrogance) that the windows store cannot sell desktop applications.

    AND Just so I can paint it out, clear as day:

    Smartphone: Device made for performing quick tasks such as making phone calls, e-mail/texting and the occasional game

    Tablet: All of the things that a smartphone can do plus being better for browsing the web and consuming media

    Laptop: All of the things that a smartphone and tablet can do, plus being productive both on the go and in a business environment

    Desktop: All of the things that a smartphone, tablet and laptop can do, plus being extremely powerful and very good at high end content creation, gaming, CAD and all things requiring powerful hardware.

  424. Kol says:

    @mdm7923   "Microsoft, You can fix this, there is no reason (other than arrogance)"

    The arrogance of Mr. Steven Sinofsky

  425. mmosier says:

    If you do not fix Windows 8 so it works on the desktop  I will bet good money that failure in your biggest market will cause you to rethink Windows 9, just as you did with Windows Vista and Windows 7.  This upsets me, because you have done such a great job optimizing the core OS in this release, that I really think it has an opportunity to become the greatest Microsoft operating system ever released. Its just such a damn shame you can't keep the metro interface to the tablets.

    I have showed this "consumer preview" to my colleagues at work, to friends and to family members and they wholeheartedly agree that metro has no place on the desktop. They all want their start menu back and could not figure out how to even use the computer. Is this something you really want? Is the tablet market (minority) so important to you that you will actually forgo the opportunity to release the most polished, stable & secure version of desktop windows to date?

  426. mdm7923 says:

    @Kol

    Well then fire Mr. Sinofsky. Fire Ballmer. If they are so thickheaded that they do not even listen to their own customers then they deserve to go.  We need Bill just like Apple needed Steve Jobs!!

    Bill, are you out there, have you seen what your beloved Windows has become!!! Its fallen so far, its not even Windows anymore. it should be called Squares, or tiles.  I'm willing to lay bets that someone is able port the awful, single-tasking metro GUI to DOS and still have it close to fully functional. It really is that bad. we are going back 30 years in UI design so some person can play Angry Birds on his/her "toy"

  427. Bug says:

    With a stylus like wacom the corners charms not appear and do not work either. There is no way to shut down or even go to metro from desktop without get again the mouse. I also don´t like the pointer when a stylus is detected. A stylus is a precision tool, and that precission is lost is you don´t make the top left pointer pixel the important one. Now the active point in the pointer is in the middle of the stylus cursor. That´s a big problem.

  428. Asking says:

    Also, you need a easy way to remove the feedback cursor rings when use stylus o pens. Wacom users hate that rings and in win 7 and now in 8 are a pain to remove them. Thanks

  429. As been mentioned, the "corner" rule is worthless on multiple monitors. :(

    Thanks for the double-taskbar, though. However, would it be hard for it to only display items opened on its monitor? To make it easier to switch?

  430. Oh, forgot to mention the solution for the corner rule: sticky borders.

    See DDMM (Dual Display Mouse Manager) on SourceForge.

  431. m.hj@live.de says:

    I was using the developers preview for months now and i love the conumers preview! These two modes, the clean metro mode while reading, surfing and communicating (relaxing) and then the desktop-mode for productivity together are the perfect fit for my life – it’s simply genious – I love it!

    Two wishes: Please make the undocked pen-input-panel scalable while in desktop mode! And please enable annotating with pen in modern reader! Thank you for your great work (heavy tabletPC user since the Fujitsu T3010 (8 years)).

  432. ManMountain says:

    On the desktop, Windows 8 is simply terrible. The UI is appalling, accessing basic functions is cumbersome and not intuitive, this OS will fail and fail badly.

  433. pmbAustin says:

    Some constructive criticism for using Windows 8 on a desktop/laptop with a trackpad/mouse (no touch):

    1) The right-hand corners are impossible targets in multi-monitor setups.  There needs to be a solution for mouse-only activation of the charms menu when one has multiple monitors.

    2) The left-hand corners are easy targets, but having only one pixel active goes counter to intuitive reaction.  Yes, you can slam the mouse into the corner and click, but USERS don't work that way:  they will see the icon pop-up and want to click in the center of that.  But the moment they move away, it fades off.  This is similar to how the "taskbar previews" are treated: people want to click on them.  I think at the very least, it should be an option (defaulted to ON) that after activating the little thumbnail of the start menu or the last active app, one can click anywhere on the thumb-nail.  It shouldn't fade until you've moused away from it.  This would make things MUCH more usable.  I find myself going to the top corner and dragging down, JUST to be able to click on the top icon… because once you drag down, the menu DOES stay, the targets DO stay.

    3) the Mail app needs to support POP3 mail servers (like that offered by my ISP). I still get most of my mail through RoadRunner, not through web mail, and I've no clue how to set it up.

    4) I'm just going to assume that the SkyDrive integration with Windows Explorer isn't available in this preview but will be in the Beta, because I sure as heck can't find it.

    5) I've had a few instances where I could not activate the top-left corner.  It's not reproducible or predictable, but it's happened several times, most recently in the Mail app.

    6) I understand the consistency of the scroll bar, but when you have a trackpad (no scroll wheel), it would be nice to be able to just tap-drag anywhere on the start screen background in order to scroll it.

    Side note:  I find myself wishing for a "Metro" customization theme for Desktop:  do away with the "glass", and have nice, flat, square controls and windows, with colors of my choosing.  That would be nice, imho.  I sure hope someone there at Microsoft is considering this.

    Finally… is there a Track-Pad class driver?  After install on my Dell XPS 15z, I see no trackpad controls.  There are no settings for "palm detection", sensitivity, scroll areas, multi-touch gestures, etc.  This is really, really a problem.

  434. Jeff Therrien says:

    This will be amazing on tablets, but I must agree with the chorus of voices here: there are major shortcomings on desktops/laptops. I've  tried to give the interface the benefit of the doubt and use it for a few days and try to get a new workflow, but it's not as efficient as Windows 7, especially in dual monitor setups (so hard to hit hotspots). Please have an option to bring back a start menu that's *not* full screen.

    There is a lot of good constructive criticism here. I hope you'll listen and make changes, otherwise I can't see Windows 8 catching on for the average user using a non-touch PC.

  435. Mixmeister says:

    Metro could do so much better if it was more intuitive. If you would set up a testing Environment and let kids and old people test it, you would quickly realize if it is intuitive or if it is not. I don´t think it is. The people at Microsoft who signed this concept off should be fired on the spot. Steve Jobs must be laughing his ass off right now. This is not intuitive, it is inconsistent and it is not productive. So what is this????

    There have been numerous constructive ideas how things could be improved to reduce the complexitiy of the merged desktop and Metro world. The hot corner concept is ridicolous.

    Easy task requires additional and unnessecary clicks or actions (like renaming a group on start screen)

    And one thing just hit me: When I use Windows 8 as os for a htpc, is there no way to boot it directly into the media center mode? I always have to start this manually? Cmon. You can´t be serious on this?

  436. Mazhar says:

    Currently Charms Bar appear by moving the cursor to top-right or bottom-right. Please make the Charms Bar appear whenever the cursor is on the right side, whether on top, middle or bottom. It is lost easy.

  437. Mazhar says:

    I do not think we need to pin items in Desktop Taskbar now if we are using the Start Screen.

  438. The 'Windows Photo Viewer' program for the desktop does not display the Adobe RGB color space. But the Photos app inside the new Start screen does display it  So can you please make Photo Viewer correctly display the Adobe RGB colour space as well.

  439. FileDialog says:

    When i copy one file into a folder with the same file, i got the new file collision assistant, but the more details windows is always usable, and we have there the option choose the file, which i wanna keep. so the more details option is a waste.

  440. nick says:

    Sinofsky is not reading this ya'll, he is busy counting his stock options.

  441. Christoffer says:

    Good job Windows team!

    I have a single remark. It seems that I can't search folders from the search charm. I can search the contents of a folder but not the folder itself.. Please add this functionality.

  442. Frenz says:

    It seems like Microsoft will be presenting enterprise details at Cebit this coming week:

    http://www.theverge.com/…/2552968

    Perhaps that is why they are so closemouthed.

    From the SKU list (found in the registry of CP) it also seems like there will be 2 Professional editions this time:

    Windows 8 Professional edition

    Windows 8 Professional Plus edition

    We've never had something like this before and it would seem likely that Metro is the concern here – I hope this is an indication that one of them will have the desktop as the 1st class citizen.

    I look forward to this presentation, perhaps Sinofsky still has a trick or two up his sleeve – one can certainly hope.

  443. I am predicting windows 8 will be adopted much less than vista was in business. The cost of using it would be too much for most business. MS should really go back to two versions a home and pro version. Home version can have all the non work stuff, pro version has the stuff to get work done.  Metro is for fun, not work!

  444. While using the new TaskManager I am missing two essential functions:

    *) PID column is missing at the "Processes" tab.

    *) Why I cannot remove items in the "AutoStart" tab. Deactivating is great but for removing I have to use another application.

    But the best improvement would be that I can freely resize the command prompt window. (cmd) You would make many developers happy

    when they simply can resize the window (width and height) using the mouse. Although a simpler way to copy and past things into the cmd window would be great.

  445. The design with the app-switcher on the left side and the charms-bar on the right side may be great for tablets. But on systems with keyboard and mouse / touchpad it would be better to have them both combined in one bar on the bottom of the screen. And the user should be able to decide whether he wants to see it constantly (good for big screens) or that it only appears, if the mouse-pointer goes to the bottom of the screen or the Windows-key is pressed on the keyboard.

  446. I have to correct my entry from yesterday:

    because Ctrl+hyphen and Ctrl+Shift+hyphen are used for soft hyphen and non-breaking hyphen the shortcut for en-dash and em-dash should be (similar to Mac and other systems) Alt+hyphen (en-dash) and Alt+Shift+hyphen (em-dash).

    No matter what shortcut, they should ensure 1. to work systemwide and 2. use the hyphen and not the minus on the numeric keypad because (a) en-dash and em-dash are punctuation marks and not arithmetic operators and (b) not every keyboard has an numeric keypad, e.g. on laptops.

  447. Gero says:

    If you look at this video you will see how they are just focus on Apps, Games, Gadgets and all the crappy Metro interface…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

  448. chekri says:

    please get start menu back in classic mode

  449. sireangelus says:

    ok…  now, take a HUGE step back towards DP. first, make the right bar appear all at once on mouse+keyboard.

    second, bring back the ram usage of DP.

    third, increase information density for ALL metro app.

    forth, give people a metro off option.

    Fifth,bring back the start button, or at least give people some hint on what to do with their mouse on a pure mouse+keyboard laptop.

    Sixth, bring back the DP speed and autonomy, especially the gaming one, since it's having a HUGE regression on w8 CP.

    Seventh, fix the Skype memory leak on x64.

    EIGHT, Reduce as much as you can memory footprint. i like the work with the metro app(almost no resources taken) but on ie10 metro memory usage spikes as high as 600mb with few tabs open.

    My system? thinkpad x61 7673.

  450. PaulAtreides says:

    Yes, my last hope is that Windows will offer their Professional versions with the option of getting rid of Metro entirely, or at least have a fully functional Start Menu available. After all, the Consumer Preview is for consumers.

    Otherwise, I will pass on Windows 8, and hope for the best for Windows 9. Although, with the damage done by Windows 8 with its god-awful UI, there may be little reason to stick with a Microsoft OS a few years down the road.

  451. Stephen Kellett says:

    >"I just discovered that, when on the desktop, if you RIGHT click the 'start' icon, you get a really useful context menu, with links >to a cmd prompt, control panel, and more.  I'm 5 times happier with Windows 8 now I've found it.. but why hide it as a context menu. >Make the damned thing visible so we know it's there." MY COMPUTER SHOULD BE THERE TOO.

    Thanks @ben, very interesting. That means they know there is a problem. But as a context menu that means no keyboard shortcuts. Not good enough. Its also too slow and clunky to use.

    To make Windows 8 work on PCs we need user interface and user experience consistency.

    The following 6 items should provide that.

    1) First class Start Menu when using Desktop.

    2) When using Desktop no action should result in you using any Metro part of Windows 8 unless you specifically request to go

    to the start screen.

    3) When using Metro, no action should result in you using any desktop part of Windows 8 unless you specifically click the Desktop

    tile on the Start Screen. This means the Metro control panel should either not exist OR should be fully functional. Metro users

    should not be dumped into the desktop control panel for any reason.

    4) Desktop IE and Metro IE should share all bookmarks, cookies, downloaded internet files etc, etc, and so on.

    5) Provide an option to always login into Desktop, never seeing Metro.

    6) Provide an option to always login into Metro, never seeing the desktop.

    If the above is not doable, then for PC users make the Desktop the first class citizens and make Metro apps

    resizable tiles that go reside on any desktop screen the user wishes. You'be been shown numerous mocked-up screenshots of

    how this might look. It would be horrible having Metro appearance jarring with desktop but you're doing that to us already (and it

    looks awful and is an awful user experience).

    I don't have a problem with you wanting Metro.

    But I do have a major problem with you telling me that the way I want to work (which is exceptionally efficient and effective)

    is no longer available to me for no other reason that you say so (basically you're a dictator).

    My business future relies on Microsoft's success with business customers. Windows 8 as it stands is a turkey. It can't fly and it will crash and burn much worse than Vista. I don't want to see that. You've got to fix these issues with the missing Start Menu

    that desktop users want. It is irrelevant that some people like pmbAustin don't mind the split-personality user experience. Most

    people will not wear it.

    I've just tried vistart – it does provide a Start Orb and a start menu that work on Windows 8. Its a good start and usable. I'd prefer the real Microsoft Start Menu though. Also installing vistart – it tried to install various toolbars and other things I don't want on my machine (I guess that is how the vistart author makes his money).

  452. Stephen Kellett says:

    >"I just discovered that, when on the desktop, if you RIGHT click the 'start' icon, you get a really useful context menu, with links >to a cmd prompt, control panel, and more.  I'm 5 times happier with Windows 8 now I've found it.. but why hide it as a context menu. >Make the damned thing visible so we know it's there." MY COMPUTER SHOULD BE THERE TOO.

    Thanks @ben, very interesting. That means they know there is a problem. But as a context menu that means no keyboard shortcuts. Not good enough. Its also too slow and clunky to use.

    To make Windows 8 work on PCs we need user interface and user experience consistency.

    The following 6 items should provide that.

    1) First class Start Menu when using Desktop.

    2) When using Desktop no action should result in you using any Metro part of Windows 8 unless you specifically request to go

    to the start screen.

    3) When using Metro, no action should result in you using any desktop part of Windows 8 unless you specifically click the Desktop

    tile on the Start Screen. This means the Metro control panel should either not exist OR should be fully functional. Metro users

    should not be dumped into the desktop control panel for any reason.

    4) Desktop IE and Metro IE should share all bookmarks, cookies, downloaded internet files etc, etc, and so on.

    5) Provide an option to always login into Desktop, never seeing Metro.

    6) Provide an option to always login into Metro, never seeing the desktop.

    If the above is not doable, then for PC users make the Desktop the first class citizens and make Metro apps

    resizable tiles that go reside on any desktop screen the user wishes. You'be been shown numerous mocked-up screenshots of

    how this might look. It would be horrible having Metro appearance jarring with desktop but you're doing that to us already (and it

    looks awful and is an awful user experience).

    I don't have a problem with you wanting Metro.

    But I do have a major problem with you telling me that the way I want to work (which is exceptionally efficient and effective)

    is no longer available to me for no other reason that you say so (basically you're a dictator).

    My business future relies on Microsoft's success with business customers. Windows 8 as it stands is a turkey. It can't fly and it will crash and burn much worse than Vista. I don't want to see that. You've got to fix these issues with the missing Start Menu

    that desktop users want. It is irrelevant that some people like pmbAustin don't mind the split-personality user experience. Most

    people will not wear it.

    I've just tried vistart – it does provide a Start Orb and a start menu that work on Windows 8. Its a good start and usable. I'd prefer the real Microsoft Start Menu though. Also installing vistart – it tried to install various toolbars and other things I don't want on my machine (I guess that is how the vistart author makes his money).

  453. Aristides says:

    Metro on Windows 8 fails due to one very simple reason – the two interfaces (metro and desktop) clearly do not merge.

    Put the metro tiles on the desktop background. Allow users to scroll through the tiles and make it easier for the keyboard users (as you have no say for the touchpad experience of laptop users). Keep the superbar but put more information in one screen by merging it to the metro tiles.

    Windows 8 will fail. Its idea is simple and it appears to be faster than Windows 7, but it simply does not provide a better user interface (I am being polite here).

    Stop trying to put two different operating systems together.

    And listen to the comments that say it will be the next Vista, because it will be.

  454. JGodo says:

    The real concern here is not windows 8 itself, not metro or start screen, wich you can avoid easily the most time if you want, even not being desiderable that it comes up sometimes, and being of course a little worst user experience than win7 for desktop users. The mayor concern here is another: That I think Microsoft wants metro to be the future for ALL apps in windows, even productivity apps. They now call desktop the way to acces legacy apps, the old apps ( I really would like to know when exactly photoshop become an app and not a program ). Future windows will be only metro and metro apps ( Good bay desktop ), that´s the real plan. And thats what botthers me the most as I will never want a machine that only offeres what metro offers, this is: apps that can only be downloaded trought microsoft store, that don´t support fully configurable multitasking and wich interfaces need to be tocuh friendly: this is big buttons and large mouse moves for all ( That´s because I dont own an Ipad, I don´t want that thing ). Think about that, because that is what Sinofsky wants. This is Microsoft becoming Apple. If this really happens and the future is Microsoft offering the same Apple does, I really preffer Apple´s UI design or the Linux freedom. A lot of Microsoft clients are here because they don´t like the Apple way to do things.

  455. Cid says:

    En cuanto a diseño Windows 8 trata de emular un minimalismo, pero es torpe con el uso de colores, tampoco se trata de simplificar todo y ya, se trata de hacerlo con elegancia, de que vale tener una interfaz minimalista en Metro, cuando los iconos siguen siendo un poco toscos en el resto del sistema, siguen existiendo tipografias pobres, en vez de incluir nuevas tipografias como las de Linotype, en Windows 7 cuando ejecutabas un programa, el icono en la barra de tareas se iluminaba y difuminaba lo cual era genial, asi no distraía, pero en Windows 8 queda en blanco, seria genial que mantuviesen el  logo clásico de una Ventana Abanderada, el logo de Pentagram es muy literal, el viejo representaba dinamismo, creatividad, el nuevo es simple y superfluo.

  456. Doko says:

    @JGodo: Don´t Forget to mention the kill Switch which will allow Microsoft to delete apps and Content that have been created with them from your computer. For ANY reason.

  457. Windows V8STA says:

    Bueno la verdad, yo en las 3 últimas versiones del logo, XP, Vista y 7, nunca he visto que éste fuera una ventana abanderada, sólo en el caso de XP me parecía una teja, los de Windows Vista y 7, "los cuáles son los mismos", son una ventana, sólamente que con "cristales" ondulados; ahora eso sí, el nuevo "logo" tiene más inconvenientes que ventajas, ni las cito, pues en resumen es una asquerosidad, todavía están a tiempo de echarse para atrás, sino, vuelta al actual logo de Windows 7 con sutiles mejoras para Windows "9".

    Sobre Metro, fatal en mi PC Escritorio:

    Metro un poquito mejor :

    http://www.neowin.net/…/index.php

    http://www.neowin.net/…/index.php

  458. JGodo says:

    Its curious how every time a see a metro start screen screenshot there is almost no metro apps tiles there or are hidden to the right,, not even the basics. Is all covered by the ugly desktop apps tiles. The only "metro" app tile I still have is the desktop tile itself, shop (for the sake of curiosity) and weather, wich is not even visible without scrolling. All other features I still prefer desktop options, and this seems to be the common by the way.

  459. Noel Wiggins says:

    Hi Steve, enjoyed playing with W8 Preview.  Makes  a lot of sense to combine Desktop and Tablet operating system BUT needs some new interface magic much like Aero glass.  Metro interface is depressingly UGLY.  Looks like the visual language of an ad for a community college in Bucharest .  After several days of use I found myself really not looking forward to seeing all that super flatness in your tile design. Also the metro palette is too dark and muddy-needs light colored background color options.  Also right click should be active in metro interface.  I think some kind of translucency would help alleviate the tedium of those flat multi-colored squares.  Could also use some more innovative sound design that was so refreshing in Win7.  Keep up the good fight!!  W8 has a long way to go before it feels friendly and elegant!

  460. JGeerWM says:

    I upgraded my 9 year old HP XW4100 from Windows 7 to Windows 8 yesterday.  It was the cleanest upgrade experience ever.  Nice job Windows 8 team!

  461. timmi says:

    I cannot start the Desktop Internet Explorer from the start screen? Only Metro Internet explorer? Are you serious????

  462. Cid says:

    @Windows V8STA

    Tienes razón es una ventana!, pero el equipo de Pentagram, para ser más precisos la diseñadora Paula Scher discernió que el clásico logo de Windows no parecía una ventana sino más bien una “Ventana Abanderada” que “no entendía por qué se trataba de una bandera y no una ventana”, si te fijas, la versión del logo de Windows 7 Profesional http://www.dynos.es/…/windows-7-profesional-64-bits-oem___WIN7PROF64-1.jpg es la más limpia y versátil de todas, obviamente eliminando los detalles, dejando simplemente el logo en blanco sobre azul, sería lo más simple que se puede presentar el logo de Windows.

    O si no, dejar el logo con sus cuatro colores característicos, con Metro tengo un sentido de ambivalencia, muestra una nueva forma de ordenar los programas, pero no estoy seguro de cuál es el objetivo de Microsoft al presentárnoslo, tan solo se inicia el Sistema Operativo, se va directamente a la interfaz Metro, como un “mírenme estoy aquí”, dejando al practico escritorio en segundo plano. Está claro que su orientación va más a las nuevas generaciones que han crecido con las “Redes Sociales”, con un marketing que busca explotar aplicaciones, las cuales en mi opinión la mayoría no son más que una pérdida de tiempo.

    El diseño de Windows Media Player esta casi idéntico, lo cual no entiendo sabiendo que de la misma compañía está el reproductor Zune! Que estéticamente es más llamativo, mas organizado, porque no unificar el mismo diseño?.

    Eliminaron el menú de inicio para darnos un panel gigantesco que se comporta como una página de entretenimiento, tienes tus programas clásicos pero hey!, también estás viendo tu Twitter, Facebook, Fotos, Videos… y uno se pregunta por qué?, es acaso una forma de mantenerte distraído de tus actividades?. En Windows 7 no ocurría eso, tenias tu menú de inicio, programas más usados en primer plano, y el resto estaba ahí tranquilamente, no distracciones, nada de colores mal combinados, nada de redes sociales, solo tus programas y ya.

    Windows 8 es Windows Vista 2.

  463. For Cid says:

    @Cid

    El problema es que no estás viendo la imagen completa. Metro no es solo la pantalla de inicio, sino toda una interfaz secundaria con su propio tipo de aplicaciones que se desarrollan de otra manera y que está claro que es a lo que le están dando toda la prioridad. Al escritorio de toda la vida lo denominan como el entorno para las aplicaciones viejas, y está ahí solo porque de momento no existe software que funcione con la nueva interfaz. Ellos esperan que todas las nuevas aplicaciones y programas de windows funcionen en la nueva interfaz metro, absolutamente todas y en futuras versiones de windows retirar por completo el escritorio. Windows 8 es la transición de una a otra. Esto es así porque en la nueva interfaz no se puede instalar nada que no venga de su tienda de aplicaciones, a lo apple, y eso es lo que buscan. Ahora imagina un futuro donde todos tus programas de trabajo funcionen en esa interfaz compatible con lo táctil y con una multitarea reducida. Ese es el futuro que quieren endosarnos. El problema es que si eso triunfa estamos jorobados, y si no triunfa también porque microsoft se hunde y Apple se queda con todo. Es el regalito que nos ha dejado Jobs, la nueva era de la informática para "tontos" y totalmente controlada. Saludos.

  464. TIM says:

    @Timmi relax, you can launch Chrome or Firefox on Metro. Microsoft tought on everything.

  465. Cid says:

    Lo veo de otra manera quizás pero si veo el panorama completo, no creo que las compañías desarrolladoras de software se rebajen a Metro, sería una perdida para ellas, pero esto solo es una especulación, hay que esperar el lanzamiento oficial y luego ver si tales compañías hacen lo que tu argumentas, lo cual puede ser muy cierto pero en mi opinión sería un grave error, lo táctil es una moda pasajera y dudo que sus intenciones sean una transición completa, solo le están sacando provecho al marketing que están teniendo las Tablets, si Windows falla con esta versión estoy seguro que Apple hará todo lo contrario, nadie se quedara con nada, pero si le costara caro a Microsoft, que esperar? Pues que Steven Sinofsky cambie de táctica o mejor aún, salga de las filas de Microsoft, y que una nueva versión salga, rescatando todo lo que se habrá de perder.

  466. Cid says:

    Lo veo de otra manera quizás pero si veo el panorama completo, no creo que las compañías desarrolladoras de software se rebajen a Metro, sería una perdida para ellas, pero esto solo es una especulación, hay que esperar el lanzamiento oficial y luego ver si tales compañías hacen lo que tu argumentas, lo cual puede ser muy cierto pero en mi opinión sería un grave error, lo táctil es una moda pasajera y dudo que sus intenciones sean una transición completa, solo le están sacando provecho al marketing que están teniendo las Tablets, si Windows falla con esta versión estoy seguro que Apple hará todo lo contrario, nadie se quedara con nada, pero si le costara caro a Microsoft, que esperar? Pues que Steven Sinofsky cambie de táctica o mejor aún, salga de las filas de Microsoft, y que una nueva versión salga, rescatando todo lo que se habrá de perder.

  467. TIM says:

    Some toughts on Windows 8 tablet OS:

    - Lockscreen slide to unlock on a desktop is abberantly delirious. Really, how can i get to the dial app? I missed that yet. Anyone knows?

    - When installing desktop apps the shortcuts appear in the start screen by default… of every user. And not just the shortcuts of the app, but also the readme, the unistaller, the, the, the, etc… Its a totally and complete mess. Do we have to delete the stupid shortcuts of all users everytime i install an desktop app? Also the ugliness of Desktop apps tiles is on purpose? Is this one of your tactics to make people dont want to use the Desktop anymore? You could also put some ads on the desktop from time to time with some info like "Please use Metro instead, dont be a retro guy. Desktop users are sissies. This ad/window brought to you by M$ will close in 10".

    - Different fonts sizes depending on touch or non-touch is also a non-brainer. How is going Microsoft going to solve the issue of larger resolutions? The tiles become so small that Windows8 become unusable.

    - Charms on the Desktop? What's the purpose of that? Just to be totally annoyed by that? I mean charms with a mouse, why? Was that really necessary? The charms are really annoying. They always appear when i try to close an application, going to scroll down a page, using the show desktop. Its a totally stupid decision to exist with the mouse.

    The entire Desktop experience is totally compromised.

    - People say just put lots of shortcuts… well that's really stupid. People will have lots of shortcuts just to do a workaround. The whole idea that you have to make cumbersome workarounds to get the same level of functional win7, shows that Win8 Desktop experience is a backwards step. If you are for instance on a browser and want to launch Notepad to write some notes. (1) You have to minimize the browser, (2)open the shortcut, (3) maximize the browser, and then (4) maximize Notepad. And no, pinning Notepad to taskbar is not an option. If you have to pin Notepad to taskbar imagine all the programs you have to pin. Its a bloody hell. So you can't open an program with simplicity without having to switch to a totally diferent and completly unrelated context.

    The idea of desktop as an app compromise EVERTHING. So why MS wants to compromise Desktop? At what cost?

    MS wants to force people to get used to Metro UI, because they want you to use the $tore, to get people buying windows phones. And also they thing that if we use Metro enough we wanna buy a tablet.

    But they're just compromising the whole Desktop world. I am sure that Steven&MS team dont get that the benefit in forcing people, will not compensate the bad things Win8 will bring to Desktop&IT users… Windows 8 could be a huge sucess. The idea that you could have the best of both worlds is awesome. But you cannot have the best of both worlds at the same time. You have to switch from one to another, depending the world you are in. If you would keep the start button and make a jump option to Metro, almost everthing would be safe. The charms on Desktop makes sense IF you are using TOUCH. Not mouse on corners…

    People would use Metro even for Desktop for games for their children, but dont need to force us on that and compromise the entire desktop experience.

    Also your locked policy will eventually lead away lots of user of MS ecosystem. I have a windows phone and used to love MS products. But things like making secure boot so people wont be able to unistall windows 8 and removing ways of people to arrange an substitute to start button are dictorial and abberant. Your own notion of controlling and removing power to users will eventually start to take away of one the advantages Windows used to have.

    Given that Sinofsky seeks to emulate Jobs, he could also understand that to Microsoft suceed in locking and dumbing the OS they could just making incremental changes like Apple is doing. Microsoft makes dramatic changes. It's like when some dictator turns the country from a democracy to a dictorship. They will have to make it in small steps. Not at once, because if they do, then lots of blood will occur.

    I am curious to see how many people will migrate to Mac now. I never tought on that. Maybe i will now. Or better Linux. And when i need some app i can't find, then i just use a VM with Windows 7.

    Also i am going to get a good laugh next week when Microsoft will try to convince IT that Windows 8 is a good thing to enterprises with the magnific tiles and full screen Metro apps.

    But hey, i should know. Companies dont exist to make users life more easy or better.

    Balmer will you fire Sinofsky? When, before or after Windows8 become a major fiasco?

  468. TIM says:

    BTW, how can i find and kill on Task Manager the Desktop app?

  469. Luciano says:

    Please MS,

    -give people a "metro off" option.   This should be the default way of using W8 in a desktop.

    -bring back the start button, and put an option to hide it.

    Thanks!

  470. Cid says:

    Microsoft ha defraudado a millones de usuarios con esta mala jugada, mi futuro será Apple, estoy seguro que nunca cometerán un error tan grande como este, el intento de eliminar las desktops a fuerza de un mediocre Sistema Operativo.

  471. Kevin says:

    I find the command bar are hidden by default on pretty much ALL of the applications. I think this minimalism is taken too far. Please FOLLOW the direction of Windows Phone team. There is ALWAYS clue in the WP7 to indicate that there're more options available. In fact, most of the time, the command bar on Windows Phone 7 is always visible without labels. I think the command bar on Windows 8 should be similar or identical to that of Windows Phone 7.

    1. It must always be visible without the text label and with 3 ellipsis so that users can click on to see the labels (and maybe more options).

    2. If it must be hidden, then there must be a thin horizontal band with 3 ellipsis to indicate that there're more options

    3. The command bar should be white icons/text on gray, white icons/text on black, or black icons/text on white. It should not be any other distracting colors. This will also make ALL command bars to be consistent with each other visually.

    I simply DO NOT want to right-click continuously to open the command bar. Why do we must make it MORE difficult to get to the functions that we need? Please emulate the Windows Phone 7 ideas for the command bar.

  472. Windows V8STA says:

    A mí lo único que me ha gustado es la Superbar con los botones de la barra de tareas cuadrados y el estilo visual de la botonera de mini, maxi, cerrar.

    Digo yo… Microsoft no tiene buenos diseñadores gráficos ?, lo normal y lo correcto es que ellos mismos se hubieran encargado de ello en Redmond. Aún incluyendo Metro, el Icono de Windows no se debería de haber tocado, o sólo mínimamente con un ligero y sútil retoque.

    Faltan un montón de funciones y personalizaciones que en Windows 7 estaban, tienen que hacer un anuncio para una Consumer Preview 2 ( Digamos Beta 2, casi RC ), lo que no puede ser es que faltan cosas tomando como punto de referencia Windows 7, y las que están son más difíciles y menos productivas de hacer.

    Para qué quiero arrancar el equipo 30 segundos antes si después voy a perder segundos, que se suman en minutos y al final en horas perdidas de productividad.

    Windows Vista es menos es menos depurado internamente, pero ahora mismo con el SP2 Windows Vista es más productivo que esta Consumer Preview con Metro.

    Yo confío en que le den la vuelta al asunto, que poder pueden.

  473. Braden says:

    I have left a list of improvements, and tweaks I would like to see for Windows 8 here:

    http://www.theverge.com/…/windows-8-consumer-preview-desktop-and-feature-improvements

    Some of which come from people's ideas shown here.

  474. Braden says:

    - I think Microsoft should add a tile for "All Apps", because right clicking with mouse to access this important functionality is quite slow.

    - Also I think it would be great if the switcher interface had aero peek. Alt+Tab thumbnails have aero peek, so should Switcher, when in mouse mode. Switcher thumbnails should also show program icon, like alt+tab interface (making it much faster to find the window). Switcher should allow scrolling down, to allow more than seven thumbnails.

    – Shutdown by right clicking start thumbnail, and also from Start screen, under user tile.

    – Jumplists added to metro mode, so I can access them more easily, whether on not I have icons pinned to taskbar

    – Aero snap still doesn't work in between monitors, this should be easy to fix

    – Drag and drop on to sub folders on breadcrumb bar, would be nice. By dragging file to drop down arrow, then folder off this.

    – Win+left and right, should also snap metro apps, not just desktop windows.

    – When hovering with mouse over new UI elements, eg charms, add tool-tips for hot keys, making them very discoverable

    - Switcher allow right click to close app, this would also be very handy with alt+tab thumbnails, making it a quick way to manage multi-tasking, and open applications

    - Click and drag scrolling with mouse is also needed

    – Scrolling on multi-monitor edge doesn’t work, extend the area of influence to fix?

    – left click in empty region to clear selection or app bar in Start screen, to avoid mouse travel, and it would feel more natural than right click to dismiss (though keep this option also)

    – Rename tile groups without needing to zoom out, by right clicking titles

    – Rearrange tile groups without needing to zoom out, by selecting titles and dragging

    - Renaming apps should be aloud, otherwise another trip back to desktop

    – Switcher should show desktop windows and apps, becoming a universal way to switch. It’s weird having the desktop displayed as only one thumbnail. With some improvements Switcher could be great.

    – Dragging metro apps down, or right click close on Switcher should completely close app immediately.

    – Add tooltips to switcher thumbails, like alt+tab interface

    – Should be a way to check recent notifications (after they dissapear)

    – Pin folders to taskbar

  475. Braden says:

    - Ability to open multiple apps, without leaving the start screen, by holding down shift while clicking app would be a useful function. Open all your apps first, at start of workflow. Thus less back and fourth with desktop and metro

  476. Braden says:

    The CP is greatly better than DP, as expected, but I think Microsoft needs to go further – every improvement from now to release will insure a strong reception for Windows 8. Some features are almost there, but almost isn't good enough.

    Great work Microsoft so far!

  477. @Braden

    Maybe you should use the forum to post a more in-depth description of what you want to see (social.technet.microsoft.com/…/threads).

  478. Cid says:

    @ Windows V8STA

    Esa es una de mis preguntas frecuentes, si al caso vamos un Sistema Operativo tiene en su trasfondo lo más importante, las cosas que no vemos, las que la mayoría de la gente ni entiende, y de esto infiero que muchos o la gran mayoría ve el Sistema Operativo con un valor más visual que practico, Windows 8 tiene lo básico, minimalismo, pero uno tiene la sensación de que falta algo, que no es consistente, de seguro tendrán buenos Diseñadores, pero la pregunta es qué tanta libertad tienen, noto como un aire de desespero que termina comprometiendo la calidad.

    Algo que a veces me preocupa es el pensamiento o postura de algunos usuarios de Windows que con su fanatismo extremo hacen más mal que bien, o aquellos más jóvenes que se dejan dominar por las modas y todo lo viral en internet, me pregunto qué quieren ellos, un Sistema Operativo hábil, donde puedas trabajar cómodamente sin interrupciones, donde ejecutes programas de alto nivel, o un Sistema de Entretenimiento lleno de aplicaciones.

    Muchos defienden lo que está en Windows 8, su rapidez es cuestionable en lo que a mí respecta, puesto que a veces sentía la agilidad pero por ejemplo a la hora de ver las conexiones inalámbricas se colgaba un poco.

    Lo que dices es verdad, no hay necesidad de arrancar la PC 30 segundos antes, acaso se trata de quien se conecta más rápido en Internet? Pierdes demasiado tiempo en hacer las cosas, como cerrar “aplicaciones” o tan simple como apagar el equipo, el recorrido del puntero en Windows 7 al ejecutar programas era mucho más corto.

    Como Diseñador que soy espero mejoras estéticas, y como Usuario espero más seriedad sin comprometer el escritorio, sin relegarlo a un segundo plano.

  479. ThemeMe says:

    Is there a planned "aero" theme?  I would love to see the Metro start screen with Aero theming, nice translucent glass background (with my desktop shining through), rounded cornered tiles, etc.  I still think that Aero was one of the most beautiful themes Microsoft came up with.

  480. Argh says:

    OK Firstly, I'm sorry but this is not going to be positive. However you need to listen. Why? I like Microsoft, hell I worked for MS as a dev back in the day and I have worked  in a lot more places. What's wrong? You have lost touch with the techies. Let me give you an example every year millions of calls take place when a guy or gal on a phone talks and end user through how do do something, HOWEVER just because a bunch of would be creative types decide what the world really needs is personalised menus, renamed control panels you've lost the consistency, gradually parts of the UI have becsome broken, confused. Explain why you have focused on touch screen desktops, something nobody wants and yet a system administrator still can't right click cut and paste an error message froma  windows system log?

    You probably will say…who cares? Well you see that's the problem. There was a time when techies burned to get on MS betas and MS believe it or not was in the spot. It seems long forgotten but it once was – because you listened to techies, you cared about bug reports (instead of burying them on bogus 'social forums' where scriped outsourced staff get rid of them….

    I'll be stright, for me this US is butt ugly and belongs on a phone if anywhere. By the time you get this shipped and mainstream it will have already been made obsolete in mobile devices by eyewear and it has no function whatsoever on a desktop. Every since the foul curse that was active desktop some ego has been foisting unwanted desktop gadgets that no one wants or needs and this is the culimination, active desktio where all your PROGRAMS become 'desktio gadgets'. Its a fail. It's a big fail. Do you actually have any data on what the uptake for expensive touch largescreen displays is likley to be?

    Back to basics. Network awareness does not belong in server products. No-one wants animated does or paperclips or giant glaring coloured bricks. Fail fail fail. Don;t puch this and have another Vista. As it is many of your biggest consumers are a slight touch away from giving up on MS and this kind of junk along with your disaterous, over complicated and warped liscensing and partner system (which is completely disfunctional and broken outside the US) is actually begining to push people who *want* MS to make it again away,

    It is not all bad. YOu have a kernel. YOu have a user interface people don;t hate. Tune it. Fix it, give it an XP skin IF THAT IS WHAT CUSTOERS WANT. You might think they are dumb, you may not find their need for terminal apps to configure cisco kit cool but no one and I mean no one wants giant coloured HTML cubes.

    Killing desktoo gaming was a mistake. Fail Fail Fail.

    MS as lost this round. Next one is eyewear. Please don;t screw it up.

    YOu know why doom in a DOS box was right because the consumer wanted it, Listen to the consumer. Get 200 linux fan boys and a few hundred people who have been using your stuff for 15 years and ask them for suggestions.

    Now go bury this product quick. I have decision power on 2000 machines and another 500 mobiles and this is not goiing anywhere near any of them or any of my friends or relatives home machines.

    Windows CE sucked. I hope that bunch of loosers got fired for loosing amarket thaty have a 10 year lead over Apple in except their heads were too bar from daylight to make anything anyone ever wanted to use. Instant messaging over texting? Please please get a grip. I can smell a fail. THis could be worse than Vista and finish the Windows Group and Brand credibility permently.

    Rant over. Come one folks – time to get working on something customers want.

  481. Argh says:

    OK Firstly, I'm sorry but this is not going to be positive. However you need to listen. Why? I like Microsoft, hell I worked for MS as a dev back in the day and I have worked  in a lot more places. What's wrong? You have lost touch with the techies. Let me give you an example every year millions of calls take place when a guy or gal on a phone talks and end user through how do do something, HOWEVER just because a bunch of would be creative types decide what the world really needs is personalised menus, renamed control panels you've lost the consistency, gradually parts of the UI have becsome broken, confused. Explain why you have focused on touch screen desktops, something nobody wants and yet a system administrator still can't right click cut and paste an error message froma  windows system log?

    You probably will say…who cares? Well you see that's the problem. There was a time when techies burned to get on MS betas and MS believe it or not was in the spot. It seems long forgotten but it once was – because you listened to techies, you cared about bug reports (instead of burying them on bogus 'social forums' where scriped outsourced staff get rid of them….

    I'll be stright, for me this US is butt ugly and belongs on a phone if anywhere. By the time you get this shipped and mainstream it will have already been made obsolete in mobile devices by eyewear and it has no function whatsoever on a desktop. Every since the foul curse that was active desktop some ego has been foisting unwanted desktop gadgets that no one wants or needs and this is the culimination, active desktio where all your PROGRAMS become 'desktio gadgets'. Its a fail. It's a big fail. Do you actually have any data on what the uptake for expensive touch largescreen displays is likley to be?

    Back to basics. Network awareness does not belong in server products. No-one wants animated does or paperclips or giant glaring coloured bricks. Fail fail fail. Don;t puch this and have another Vista. As it is many of your biggest consumers are a slight touch away from giving up on MS and this kind of junk along with your disaterous, over complicated and warped liscensing and partner system (which is completely disfunctional and broken outside the US) is actually begining to push people who *want* MS to make it again away,

    It is not all bad. YOu have a kernel. YOu have a user interface people don;t hate. Tune it. Fix it, give it an XP skin IF THAT IS WHAT CUSTOERS WANT. You might think they are dumb, you may not find their need for terminal apps to configure cisco kit cool but no one and I mean no one wants giant coloured HTML cubes.

    Killing desktoo gaming was a mistake. Fail Fail Fail.

    MS as lost this round. Next one is eyewear. Please don;t screw it up.

    YOu know why doom in a DOS box was right because the consumer wanted it, Listen to the consumer. Get 200 linux fan boys and a few hundred people who have been using your stuff for 15 years and ask them for suggestions.

    Now go bury this product quick. I have decision power on 2000 machines and another 500 mobiles and this is not goiing anywhere near any of them or any of my friends or relatives home machines.

    Windows CE sucked. I hope that bunch of loosers got fired for loosing amarket thaty have a 10 year lead over Apple in except their heads were too bar from daylight to make anything anyone ever wanted to use. Instant messaging over texting? Please please get a grip. I can smell a fail. THis could be worse than Vista and finish the Windows Group and Brand credibility permently.

    Rant over. Come one folks – time to get working on something customers want.

  482. Web Matrix 2 Beta says:

    Is Web Matrix 2 Beta working on windows 8 ? I tried it and it did not work for me

    Also Nvidia driver works. I tried the one but got blank screen at the startup. I had to go in the safe mode to uninstall.

  483. I've hoped that Windows 8 CP would be an improvement of W8DP(Win 8 Dev Preview). But, it ain't.

    1. There is no option to disable Metro UI and Apps

    2. Every App is MSfied i.e. Bing, XBox Live App instead of usual Games, Bing Maps, etc etc. Is this a OS or Ad-ware-OS ??

    3. No shutdown Restart Button. i.e. not user friendly.

    4. First time, I used option 'Open with PowerShell' in my PC. WTF, it was showing some blue screen error. If i use this OS for sometime, I am sure it would blow up my HDD.

    5. I feel this OS is more specific to Tablet, not for Desktop. FYI, Windows is mostly used for Desktop, as we dont have a choice. For Tablet and Mobile devices, we have beautiful Android. If MS dont change your strategy by listening to your users, you would be wiped out.

    6. Open Source is inevitable and MS just cant stop. Why should we pay our hard earned money to buy a crap, stupid, not-user-friendly and un-intelligent OS ??

  484. trollkiller says:

    @thehaloplayer

    dear thehaloplayer you are obviously a troll, at least act like a wise one.

    1. metro is the mainstream, how the hell should they allow users to disable it?

    2. Ad-ware-OS???!!! all these services you mentioned are Microsoft services , what is wrong with them?, they didn't say you have to use them, they are options, and there will be alternatives (third party programs).

    3. setting>power> shutdown/restart.  is that hard?!!!!!

    4. I don't know about that.

    5. I don't think so, I'm using windows 8 on my laptop and I'm really enjoying it. with all those new gestures and controls I think it is comfortable to use mouse and keyboard.

    6. this alone ,  made me think that you are just a troll.

    overall: get back to your cave, toll.

  485. @thehaloplayer

    Meanwhile, several tech reviewers are calling windows 8 "the most advanced operating system out there".

  486. Braden says:

    - Aero peek should preview pages when hovering mouse over page thumbnails in IE Metro

  487. Joao M Correia says:

    @Trollkiller – although you are responding to a troll, most of your points are just wrong.

    1) Perphaps by leaving the same option that has been in every windows version since XP (Classical Desktop) under performance, for example.

    2) All app-based OS'es are adware. Its intrinsic

    3) Much harder than start-shutdown, more mouse movement and less obvious – also, non-discoverable.

    4) Powershell is for advanced users. Putting it front-and-center is wrong and will lead to such nice tech support calls as bad registry movement.

    5) Its touch first, hence mouse+keyboard second. Since those paradigms are not interchangeable, no matter how much telemetry microsoft pulls from thin air, it will never be as easy as it is under windows 7. You can -try- to get used to it, but you'll never be as efficient or streamlined, and hot corners?!? really?!? without discoverability?

    6) Strangely, i agree on 6.

  488. petmal says:

    Hello.

    There are a couple of really serious problems with Windows 8. Windows 8 is a system designed for content consumers only. Metro is ideal for touch-screen tablets, phones, media centers etc. However, it is not well suited for workstations (desktops) and servers.

    This wouldn't have to be a problem if you gave us a choice and didn't try to forcefully push the new Metro UI everywhere.

    You treat (Aero) desktop as an obsolete second-class citizen talking about Metro and touch-UI as about the future of all computing. This is just NOT TRUE. Desktop might be dead for casual computer users (content consumers), but it is absolutely not dead for professionals (content creators). Seriously, it would be extremely ineffective if not impossible for any kind of software development, graphics design, CAD, administration, professional writing, "anything that requires multitasking, mouse and keyboard" to name a few.

    Metro, as it stands now, is NOT in the future of professional content creators.

    You HAVE TO delve into this issue and invest the same amount of time and effort you did for Metro into optimizing Windows 8 for professional content creators. Remember that (especially IT-pros) have a strong influence on casual users and if they don't like (can't use) the new OS they won't deploy it in their corporations and they won't recommend it to their customers. Consequently even the casual users won't consider migrating to the new OS.

    I think that you have to address the following issues ASAP:

    1) The UI is inconsistent. There are two distinct worlds (Aero and Metro) and the user is forced going back and forth between them. The user should not (must not) be forced to leave the current workspace unless he specifically requests it. While in Aero the user shouldn't see Metro ANYWHERE (settings, applications, notifications, search etc.) and vice versa.

    2) Do not obscure the user's workspace (this is exactly what the Metro Start Screen does). It only breaks the workflow (not mentioning it is sometimes advantageous to see other running applications while searching the Start Menu/Screen).

    3) Give the user an option to select a UI to log into.

    4) Do not try to achieve too much in a single release.

    I have an idea for you to consider. Design Metro as the preferred UI for casual users (content consumers) and make Aero into much more geeky UI optimized for professionals (content creators). Aero and Metro can peacefully live beside each other, but their must not clash with each other…

    Listen to our feedback, otherwise Windows 8 makes Vista look like a minor glitch.

    DESKTOP IS NOT DEAD!

    Thank You.

  489. DQ James says:

    For sure, I shall stay with Win 7 for a long time or go to Apply O/S.  Metro is some newbie idea that is half baked.  Bring Bill Gates back to straighten things out.

  490. TIM says:

    I agree with Consumer Vs Professional (Content Creator) approach.

    There should be an Windows 8 Consumer Edition (Home Basic, Home Plus) and the Windows 8 Content Creator Editons (Professional, Enterprise).

    Windows 8 CP is more along the line of the Windows 8 Consumer. The Windows 8 Content Creator (Professional, Enterprise) must be Desktop centric, and 1 class citizen.

  491. @petmal Great feedback!

    To reduce the gap between Metro and Desktop, maybe MS should consider change Aero to something like Zune App ou Office 2012, in some way that legacy apps can run with this new "skin". There´s a lot of suggestions like this on internet, with images made by Windows fans.

  492. Tom says:

    I dont like Metro either. Its huge step backwards in usability. Its good for tablets, with touch input but not for desktop computers. I cant imagine how people in company will use this candy Metro. There should be a choice, but instead a choice you locked registry key to disable metro. This is not good way.

    And now, there is easier to get to control panel via 'right click' – 'personalize' and then control panel. In my vmware image of Windows 8 it almost impossible and non-intuitive to get straight to that right menu with settings icon.

    I think that Windows 8 has a lot o improvements but with this changed and non-clasic-windows UI will not be liked so much by PC users, especially users that use their PCs for work not enerteinment.

    Listen to the users !!

  493. Nicholas says:

    As a long time Widnows user and a software engineer primary working on Windows based application I have to say Metro as the primary focus of the UI for Windows 8 scares me.

    On my Windows Phone metro is awesome, the best Phone interface I have used by a long way, its great on the x-box and I can see how this can be translated to tablets too. Slick titles, full screen apps is what you want on your phone and tablet, but NOT on your desktop.

    I spend most of my working day in front of a PC as I write this I have 7 different application open across 2 monitors, only 2 of which are full screen. Switching between them and keeping tack of what I have running is very easy in Windows XP throught to Windows 7 with the task bar. In Windows 8 I want to spend all my time on the desktop with my many applications open this way, not looking at one full screen application and the Metro Start screen

    I am all for inovation and improving the GUI, I have been impressed with Microsoft ribbon interface and as I said metro on the Windows Phone and in the future tablets is great, but it does nto work for me on the desktop or laptops I am running, here Metro NEEDS to be optional, like Media Center maybe. Pushing Metro to desktop and laptop computers as the default is the wrong tool for the job.

    Please, I don't want all my application using up the whole 1920×1080 of my screen!

  494. Braden says:

    -All metro apps should have a close button in app bar, for straight forward way to close. Less mouse travel, and an easier way to discover and remember how to close, for novice users.

  495. Braden says:

    - Considering Windows 8 has native PDF reading, why can't they show up in Window Explorer's preview pane, it's a hassle having to switch to full screen

    - Images shown in Windows Explorer also default to Metro Photos App, it should default to Preview, thus keeping you in desktop

  496. Raiden Ninja Robot says:

    @Braden

    You can select the program you want to use to open pictures, a selection list should appear automatically, otherwise select "Open with" —> "Preview" and check mark to make it always like that.

    For .pdf's you can install a free external reader (Foxit Reader, Adobe, etc…), unless you want to use it on an ARM PC or tablet.

  497. Taylor says:

    Great Job on this release.  Don't listen to all these people who don't understand that what you've really done is given them the choice and the power to utilize both the desktop and metro simultaneously.   I will probably never use a metro app on my pc (or at least, just utilize a few of them), but I definitely like it as the new "start screen."  I like how snappy and quick it is to find the program I need to run.  It makes sense to boot straight into it because I will always start one of those applications immediately, and it makes sense to utilize all the screen space to find the program you need to run or to do searches.  I like the unified pc > tablet > phone.

    With each release of Windows, Microsoft has continued to increase the productivity of power users.  I can launch applications significantly faster with the full start screen and search. Explorer improvements continue to increase productivity.

    For those who claim to be power users and are complaining about this release, I don't think they really understand the power and tools that Microsoft has created here.  Also, if you claim to be a power user and still rely on the mouse so heavily that you need the start orb back, then I question really if you are a power user.

    @people who want a separate environment for Desktop/Metro:

      I think you are missing the point here: if you were to separate these experiences, you would lose productivity, speed, and choice.  Not to mention creating an even more disparate experience for windows users.  You don't have to use metro apps, but the new start screen is a great way to launch desktop applications.  Stay in the desktop environment, the Metro start screen is the only thing different–and it is significantly faster than the old small start menu in the corner of the desktop.

  498. Look but don't touch says:

    Let me have a quick look at the calendar, bo**ocks, can't do that without a Microsoft account. Let me check the Weather, cr*p, not in my market. Where is my market anyway, check Maps, nope apparently not in my market. Interesting, Camera, wait, my computer doesn't have a camera… perhaps I could buy one. Let's see, how much money I have, Finance, nope, not in my market.

    Why tease me with stuff you know is not available in my market? Shame on you.

  499. TIM says:

    @Taylor "it is significantly faster than the old small start menu in the corner of the desktop." lol

  500. Not in my VM says:

    Have you tried using Windows 8 in a windowed VM? I mean, heck, Windows in a window, who would have thought? It's unusable because the mouse doesn't stop in the corner and it takes five seconds to hover at exactly the right spot to have the whatsits pop up from the edge/corner. Pathetic.

  501. NItz Walsh says:

    @Raiden Ninja Robot

    So even those "ABOUT TIME!" features, like built-in PDF viewing, is now restricted to full-screen only.  Want something usable on your desktop? Download exactly what you do now.

    Great, thanks MS.  

    Jesus this is a disaster.

  502. Don't (update my Windows) says:

    Let's see, where's Windows Update. Try' Settings', nope. 'More PC settings', ah, here we go. Wait, 'To select another setting configure update settings in Control Panel'. What? Three screens and you tell me to go to another screen that is not accessible from the current screen? Seriously? Is anyone doing usability testing?

  503. 30" phone says:

    You clearly realize that a Desktop UI doesn't work on a Phone. I wonder now how long it is going to take you to realize that a Phone UI doesn't work on a Desktop? And no, i really don't want a full screen weather app (never mind one that looks like it was drawn by a kindergarten kid using a color palette straight out of their crayon box).

  504. JGodo says:

    @Taylor

    This is all about user choice. If they let users choice what they want, then you still could use metro start and who prefers the "old small start menu in the corner of the desktop" also can, so everybody is happy. Why don´t let everybody to be happy? If metro is soo god for all of us and they give us both options, it would be only a mather of time that people move to metro on his own and not forced. But it´s very questionable that metro is that panacea for non tablet users, so they are forcing us to use it.

    Anyway let´s see what do you think if they try to remove desktop completely in win9 or win10, wich I think could happen easily.

  505. Windows without windows says:

    Metro would be awesome as the BACKGROUND for my desktop. Windows Gadgets on steroids, Active Desktop reimagined, call it what you will. The desktop today is wasted space, with Metro it could be so much more. On a tablet, on a phone, on a TV, Metro as the primary UI surface makes perfect sense. But on a desktop it's brain surgery with a baseball glove and a mitten. I bought a large monitor to see and do more, not to look at one line of text in 200 point font.

  506. Richard says:

    Will the retail iteration of Windows 8 allow you to select whether to use the "Metro" interface or the traditional "Start Button" interface on the initial boot?   If not, I think this feature should seriously be considered, and in fact there should also be a "hybrid" interface that combines both the traditional navigation methods as menus as well as the Metro options.   My initial experience with Windows 8 CP was extremely frustrating, and I'm afraid many users will feel the same if the transtion to the new interface is not provided more gradually.

    To elaborate on some of the things that brought about frustration:

    - Setting up my bluetooth mouse on my laptop in Windows 7 is as simple as right-clicking (via the touch pad) on the bluetooth icon in the system tray and selecting "search for bluetooth devices".   With Windows 8 this experience was far more complicated.  Initially I attempted to go into the "settings" section that appears when you move the mouse to the right of the Metro desktop hoping this would take me to the control panel, but sadly it did not.  It took me a while to figure out that I needed to right-click on the desktop to bring up "All Apps", then dig through the list of applications until I found the control panel, then go into devices, and set up the bluetooth device that way.   That certainly is not an improvement over Windows 7.

    - Through the Metro interface, IE opens up in full-screen with no address bar.  It took me a bit just to figure out how to pull up the address bar.  That wasn't the most frustrating part however:  realizing that no matter what I did I could not get IE to go into Windowed mode, now THAT was frustrating.

    - I could never really exit out of many of the Metro applications, I could only return to the destop.  Now initially I thought, "okay this works just like my phone where the apps are suspended", except that when I looked in the task manager, the apps were still running in the background taking up valuable resources.  I don't know if this was by design, but I hope not.

    - Shutting down the  computer was also not as simple as I'm used to.   Once again it took me a while to figure out I need to log off first in order to then shut down.

    I understand that anything that's new requires some time to learn, but perhaps it's because I'm getting older I'm less responsive to abrupt changes.    My first dive into Windows 8 did not leave me feeling optimistic but frustrated.  Looking around at some of the forums I frequent, I was not alone in my sentiment.  The general consensus seemed to be that, based on the consumer preview, Windows 8 felt like the new ME (as in Windows ME), and comments such as "Microsoft gets it right every other interation, skip Windows 8 and wait for the next one" were common.   Please keep that in mind.

  507. LastHope says:

    My last hope is that Microsoft cannot be so stubborn to force this on the users that made the Company what it is today.

    This Interface is the most terrible Piece of Software that I ever came across. So what could this be? It is a Consumer Preview. So maybe we are seeing this nightmare so Microsoft can get as many telemetry data regarding Metro and Desktop as possible. If they would not force it onto the beta users, most of them would probably only use desktop.

    So this is my last hope. I cannot believe that usability issues that popup for me within seconds have not been noted by the high specialized engineers at Microsoft. And if they have not noticed them, Microsoft should fire them.

    So I believe or I want to believe that they have already designed a better ui and that we will see it with release candidate.

  508. pmbAustin says:

    "I could never really exit out of many of the Metro applications, I could only return to the destop."

    That's working as designed.  You need to forget the old way and get used to the new way.  It's not a big deal.

    However, if you feel you MUST close (ask yourself, what iPad or iPhone or WP7 apps have a "close button"?  None of them… this isn't a new concept)… you can always just drag the window from the top to the bottom to throw it away.  That might give you the "closure" you feel you need, but in most cases it's utterly unnecessary.

    Same goes for the missing Start Button.  I've played with the Consumer Preview for just a few hours, and really, I can't imaigne why people are whining.  There's just no need for it.  It's utterly redundant.  You have the Windows key.  Or you can get to the start screen from ANY corner on the screen (with a mouse).  Or you can drag the window from the top to the bottom to throw it away.  You have half a dozen ways of getting to Start… why do you need one more?

  509. pmbAustin says:

    @Nicholas:  "In Windows 8 I want to spend all my time on the desktop with my many applications open this way, not looking at one full screen application and the Metro Start screen"

    Nothing in Windows 8 precludes this.  Why do you think it does?

    Yes, the Start Screen will take up your whole screen when you access it… but really, how often is that?  If you have pinned apps on your taskbar, you only really need to go to it for less often used apps… and then it's only a matter of seconds.  The rest of the time you sit there on Desktop using the Apps you use today, just as you do today.

    All this whinging and gnashing of teeth seems completely over-the-top to me.  

    There are definitely some usability issues to iron out, especially "discoverability" issues.  But it's nowhere near the disaster that so many people are claiming.  Not even close.  I found myself working FASTER with the new start screen and desktop functionality (with just a mouse or trackpad) in many cases.  Though I'd really like better trackpad support out of the box… two finger gestures on a trackpad would make things even better.

  510. TIM says:

    pmbAustin for god sake, get real!!! Think for your self.

    People like you are just really annoying. You like, fine. We dont. Respect that. We just dont dislike because we have nothing more interesting to do. I feel is a compromised Desktop experience. I dont like to go to Metro full screen. I dont like to having all apps metro and non-metro displayed at the same time. I want to be able to launch apps in the same window.

    I cant have the favorites anymore. Then people like you say stupid things like: "Just put lots of shortcuts" well that's really brilliant. People will have lots of shortcuts just to do a workaround. The whole idea that you have to make cumbersome workarounds to get the same level of functional in win7, shows that Win8 Desktop experience is a backwards step. If you are for instance on a browser and want to launch Notepad to write some notes. (1) You have to minimize the browser, (2)open the shortcut, (3) maximize the browser, and then (4) maximize Notepad. And no, pinning Notepad to taskbar is not an option. If you have to pin Notepad to taskbar imagine all the programs you have to pin. Its a bloody hell. So you can't open an program with simplicity without having to switch to a totally diferent and completly unrelated context.

    Besides and you dont remember how is the name of that app? Or if you want to get to a specific subset of an app? For instance k-lite.

    Have you tried to install K-lite? Install it and see what's the visual definition of garbage mess is really like.

    You'll have complete lists of shortucts ugly tiles with things like unistaller and LAV Video and etc, etc ad nauseum… Nothing organized like jump lists and folders on start menu…

    But hey, i am glad you are a MS fanboy with no logic capabilites of your own.

  511. @Sinofsky and/or anyone that make this happen

    The following is really, really annoying and I hope to see it fixed.

    It's about the upper left corner hoover to switch between metro apps with the mouse…

    Flow:

    - go to corner with mouse

    - small preview appears

    - try to move mouse to the middle of the preview

    ==> preview dissappears.

    The same goes for the additional app previews that are shown if you move the mouse down a little.

    Go to the center of the preview and the entire sidebar dissappears.

    This is not what a user expects when hoovering a 'menu' (or whatever you want to call it) with a mouse.

    The correct behaviour should be that the preview (or entire sidebar) ONLY dissappears when you stop hoovering it.

    In developer terms, this would be "OnMouseLeave".

    I classify the current behaviour as "very annoying".

    Through the years, people have come to get used to things working a certain way.  A menu or preview should NEVER dissappear while you are actually hoovering it.

    Consider the preview of a desktop application when hoovering the icon of an open app on the taskbar.  That is the correct behaviour: the preview remains for as long as you are hoovering it.

    Another thing where the corner-mouse-thing is kinda weird is when you work with multiple monitors.  Personally, I allready have taken on the habbit of calling the charms (or individual charms) with keyboard shortcuts.  But as it is now (and in light of the whole 'no compromise' thing), I'ld say that corner hoovering while working with multiple desktops doesn't work well.  I'm not sure how I would fix that.

  512. pmbAustin says:

    I want to echo some of @Braden's suggestions… as they are good ones:

    – "I think Microsoft should add a tile for "All Apps", because right clicking with mouse to access this important functionality is quite slow"

    I think there should be OPTIONS to add several things to the Start Menu "app" menu you get from right-clicking or dragging up/down from the bottom/top.  Additionally, it would be nice to be able to configure any of those options as tiles on the start screen itself (for the most used things).  Being able to add charms to the start screen as a tile would also be cool.  Again: PERSONALIZATION OPTIONS.

    – "Shutdown by right clicking start thumbnail, and also from Start screen, under user tile"

    Absolutely.  Adding power->Shutdown|Restart|Hybernate to the right-click menu in the lower left corner would go a long way to mollifying some power-users complaints, and would make that more discoverable.  I also agree that adding things like this to the "user tile" makes sense.  I say this even though I have no problem at all with the Settings->Power->Shutdown option, and knowing full well that dedicated Win8 devices will have a power button so this functionality is never needed.  Perhaps if installed on a desktop and a mouse/trackpad is detected, these options can appear by default (but they can always be configured)

    – "Aero snap still doesn't work in between monitors, this should be easy to fix"

    Absolutely. With the other multi-monitor enhancements (taskbar and wallpaper), one would think they'd fix this issue.  Yes, you can do it from the keyboard but it'd sure be nice to do it with the mouse.  A similar issue exists with the corner "hot spots" on the right side of the primary monitor when you have a multi-monitor setup… they're impossible to hit.  A similar solution needs to be found for this case too.

    – "When hovering with mouse over new UI elements, eg charms, add tool-tips for hot keys, making them very discoverable"

    Discoverability is a real issue here.  While I understand the motivation for removing them (you cannot "hover" with touch/fingers), adding tool-tips will really help those with mouse/trackpad inputs.  This is important for those who are trying to transition.  I also hope Microsoft produces some "Getting Started" training CBT/video/apps/whatever for new users:  "Using Win8 with Touch", "Using Win8 with a Mouse", "Using Win8 with a Touchpad", and "Using Win8 with a Keyboard".  At the very least, holding hands and walking new users through the basics, the concepts, and the hidden tricks and short-cuts would be VERY valuable.

    – "Click and drag scrolling with mouse is also needed"

    Yes.  While the scrollbar is there, it's far away and a small target.  On the Start Screen, grabbing and dragging any background area of the screen should scroll.  Also, we desperately need two-finger scrolling (left-right, up-down) for trackpads.

  513. @TIM

    "The whole idea that you have to make cumbersome workarounds to get the same level of functional in win7, shows that Win8 Desktop experience is a backwards step."

    Or…. that the product still isn't finished.  And, ow look at that… it actually isn't finished.  There's still at least 5 months of development.  

    "If you are for instance on a browser and want to launch Notepad to write some notes. (1) You have to minimize the browser, (2)open the shortcut, (3) maximize the browser, and then (4) maximize Notepad"

    Or….  hit winkey (or winkey+Q), type "notepad" and hit enter?  Which would be about … the exact same thing as you do now?

    "you dont remember how is the name of that app? "

    App screen, giving you a nice overview of everything installed on your system at a glance (contrasted to any previous version of windows, where you'll be doomed to go look for it in a n-tier hierarchy of menu's and you'll be clicking each individual menu item to open/collapse it)

    "Have you tried to install K-lite? Install it and see what's the visual definition of garbage mess is really like.

    You'll have complete lists of shortucts ugly tiles with things like unistaller and LAV Video and etc, etc ad nauseum… "

    Yes, that's an issue with the current CP, noticed that as well – VERY annoying.  So instead of dooming windows 8 in its entirety to something that will never ever ever find its way to your computers… why not simply, and constructively, raise the issue?  Development is ongoing, you know?

    "Nothing organized like jump lists "

    Jump lists still exists, so I don't know why you said that.

    "But hey, i am glad you are a MS fanboy with no logic capabilites of your own. "

    Hey, I'm actually not glad that you are a drama queen who thinks a preview is the same as an RTM.

    Relax, have fun and raise your concerns in a constructive manner.  It's not hard.

    Yes, you might have to change some of your habbits.  That's nothing new.  It happened before.  Deal with it, the world is not static.

  514. pmbAustin says:

    @Tim: "People like you are just really annoying. "

    Right-back-atcha.  People who won't even TRY are very annoying, as are people who *** only to ***, or who complain about things that aren't really issues or aren't really true… or people who *** based on old versions (Developer Preview) and haven't tried the new version to see how things have changed.

    "People like you" don't LIKE it because you're not USED to it, so you're just whining and being a big drama-queen crybaby about it, and it's really, supremely annoying.  NONE of the criticism is in any way constructive.  Its' just stamping your feet and balling up your fists and putting them on your hips as you hold your breath.  It's utterly childish and beneath most of the people here, and will definitely turn-off anyone at Microsoft who is actually listening.  If you want them to dig in their heels, you're behaving in the correct way.  Otherwise: YOU ARE NOT (and all those whining and whinging with you).

    If you insist on trying to use X as if it were Y, of course you're going to be frustrated and upset.  Try stepping back and looking at the new system and using it as intended instead of trying to twist and distort it back into the old.  You may find you're happier if you work WITH it, rather than fight against it.  The "bring back the start button" (note BUTTON, not menu) is a perfect example of some of this idiocy.

    And finally, for those issues where "working with it" doesn't work, provide constructive feedback for REALISTIC things that would improve the experience, within the context of the new system.  It's not that hard.  For example, legacy apps, when installed, spew all sorts of crap all over the start screen.  Surely there's some way to deal with that… something Win8 could do to make it not so annoying to have to clean up, or force you to constantly go and delete unwanted tiles after every install.  That's a good issue to bring up.  But just saying 'Start Screen sucks, make it goes away!" isn't the right approach, and I have to believe you know that.

    But, you know, if you just want to throw ***, do go right ahead.  I'm not going to stop you.  It's just not very productive.

    Or YOU could "get real", and start making constructive suggestions, outlining use-cases (specifics!) that you find painful, ask if there are better ways than what you're trying or alternatives to what you're seeing, and suggest options that are consistent across touch/trackpad/keyboard/mouse (and which aren't going to require a complete scrapping and rewrite, which you know isn't going to happen).

    Just being angry isn't being helpful to *anyone*.

  515. TIM says:

    @Aroush So basically i was trying to avoid a way of launching Notepad without having to go to Metro and you told me to go to Metro. Fine…

    "App screen, giving you a nice overview of everything installed on your system at a glance (contrasted to any previous version of windows, where you'll be doomed to go look for it in a n-tier hierarchy of menu's and you'll be clicking each individual menu item to open/collapse it)" contradicts  "Yes, that's an issue with the current CP, noticed that as well"

    Yes i might have to change my habits to get a worst funcional Desktop. You're right the world is not static. It can evolve for better or worst.

  516. Richard says:

    pmbAustin, I'm sorry but not being able to close an application IS a big deal if the application isn't really suspended and is taking up resources.  That is the issue.  As I said, it's possible it's not by design, but just a bug (which is expected of a pre-release).  However if it is by design, it is a terrible design choice.   As far as accessing the Start menu from the corner of the screen or the Windows key on my keyboard, you are correct, except what you access is the Metro desktop, not the traditional start menu we have all grown accustomed to over the years.   As I said, I understand new things require time to learn and adapt, but as others have mentioned, I just don't see the Metro interface as being any sort of an improvement for desktop users over what we have today.  See my "setting up my bluetooth mouse" comments as an example.

  517. TIM says:

    @pmbAustin

    Right-back-atcha.  People who won't even TRY are very annoying, as are people who *** only to ***, or who complain about things that aren't really issues or aren't really true… or people who *** based on old versions (Developer Preview) and haven't tried the new version to see how things have changed.

    This is pure BS, I have tried. I have the W8 CP. Why do you thing everybody who tries W8 CP loves it?

    "People like you" don't LIKE it because you're not USED to it, so you're just whining and being a big drama-queen crybaby about it, and it's really, supremely annoying.  NONE of the criticism is in any way constructive.  Its' just stamping your feet and balling up your fists and putting them on your hips as you hold your breath.  It's utterly childish and beneath most of the people here, and will definitely turn-off anyone at Microsoft who is actually listening.  If you want them to dig in their heels, you're behaving in the correct way.  Otherwise: YOU ARE NOT (and all those whining and whinging with you).

    Here it goes again i… Not used. Of course you know it. So if i am not used then the new way MUST be better right? I used W8 with a open mind. I really do, but it just didn't grow on me… I found it annoying on a Desktop. The charms were always getting on my way.

    The "bring back the start button" (note BUTTON, not menu) is a perfect example of some of this idiocy.

    I am not english or american so to me its normal to make this kinds of errors. Its easy for me to switch certain words…

    And finally, for those issues where "working with it" doesn't work, provide constructive feedback for REALISTIC things that would improve the experience, within the context of the new system.  It's not that hard.  For example, legacy apps, when installed, spew all sorts of crap all over the start screen.  Surely there's some way to deal with that… something Win8 could do to make it not so annoying to have to clean up, or force you to constantly go and delete unwanted tiles after every install.  That's a good issue to bring up.  But just saying 'Start Screen sucks, make it goes away!" isn't the right approach, and I have to believe you know that.

    It's just because you are trying to force us people to think that the start screen its the next big thing. Well its not. I have told you the reasons why i dont like it. You like it good…

    But, you know, if you just want to throw ***, do go right ahead.  I'm not going to stop you.  It's just not very productive.

    Or YOU could "get real", and start making constructive suggestions, outlining use-cases (specifics!) that you find painful, ask if there are better ways than what you're trying or alternatives to what you're seeing, and suggest options that are consistent across touch/trackpad/keyboard/mouse (and which aren't going to require a complete scrapping and rewrite, which you know isn't going to happen).

    Just being angry isn't being helpful to *anyone*.

    Just make it optional. I want to go to Metro whenever i want. Bring it back the Start —>BUTTON<—  Not really much code involved.

    Look Apple made the Launchpad interface optional.

  518. Pax says:

    @pmbAustin+@Aroush.

    If someone at MS actually bothered to reply to these complaints then you wouldn't have to see the same complaint over and over.

    Aroush said: "why not simply, and constructively, raise the issue?  Development is ongoing, you know?"

    The point of a BETA is, that it's functionally complete, meaning that usually only tweaks of fine-tuning will be done from now on.

    This was also mentioned somewhere with the release of the CP.

    Therefore it's even more frustrating that MS has done nothing to calm people.

    It's as easy as saying: "We heard you. You will get the start-menu back." or "Deal with, this is the way it is"

    I could respect if they just told people to shut up about. "It's our Windows. We'll make it as we see fit."

    I still wouldn't like the Metro, but I would respect their decision and find another OS.

    Ignoring people and complaints only lead to more frustration.

    The only response there has been from MS was with the DP, where they had a long article explaning heatmaps etc.

    Problem is, that Win8 CP is designed the exact opposite of what the heatmaps showed, so I find it to be a very strange argument to make. And after that article there has been dead silence.

    Long story short: It's the uncertainty that is the real problem. Will we see a better separation of Metro and Desktop or not?

  519. Dan says:

    I realize this isn't a finished OS, but if you don't include very detailed tutorials and "Getting Started" guides in the finished OS then nobody over 25 is ever going to understand what's going on here.  I have discovered half of the swipe-related features by accident.  That's what happens when everything is hover-sensitive and hidden under menus that can only be seen by swiping in from a side of the sceen.  As it looks now, I would NEVER show this OS to my parents, let alone my wife.

  520. Raiden Ninja Robot says:

    Stop arguing or else I'll cut your…. digital bits out, lol.

    I foresaw much argument about Windows 8, it's not yet out and there's already a lot of arguing.

    Clearly it's unfinished work, who knows when it will reach RTM. Who knows what comes next? Public Release Candidate? Office 15 Public Preview or whatever it will be named is certain this summer. Consumer Preview until final release? It would be good for Windows 8 if we could see and try at least one later build, this time around.

    A public release candidate will be perfect to understand the final version and the direction it's going to take.

  521. It's very clear that Windows 8 will not be embraced by (at least) 50% of the people.

    If Windows 8 really is a good, useable, well designed, advanced (and more) OS, there will be almost not person complaining here.

    I have a Windows Phone, and I love Metro Apps. But I tested W8 CP on my advanced PC, and Metro is USELESS.

    I don't know why Windows Team is SO BLIND. It have no sense at all to have this forum open. They seem to be ignoring what people relly want.

    I love Windows and Microsoft, but I will not using Windows 8 with Desktop and Metro mixed.

    After all, this will be good for all of us. We'll have to invent another OS paradigm.

  522. Heres some suggestions for improvements. These are the biggest issues that i have, and these generally seem to be the biggest issues mentioned by the vast majority of people as well:

    Update all the the desktop icons and graphics to go more with the Metro look. No functionality needs to be changed here, just create new desktop icons that are the same size but in a Metro design style. This isn't hard to do, the graphics files just need to be replaced. This change alone will help lessen all the comments like "switching between Metro and the desktop is too jarring". Many of the desktop icons are from Vista and look dated. If this isn't addressed then i'm positive this will be one of the biggest criticisms about Win 8 on release.

    Also, make Explorers new Ribbon look a lot more like Office 15's ribbon, which goes far more with the Metro look. The current Win 8 Explorer Ribbon looks like something that belongs on Windows Vista/7 – so it does not go with anything now, not Metro, nor Office 15.

    Make accessing the Charms bar and hot-corners easier on multi monitor set-ups. I honestly dont know how you can do this though, but hopefully you'll come up with a better way.

    Add a shutdown button to the Charms bar or some other more accessible area. Having shutdown inside the Settings menu, within the Charms bar is too many clicks and just seems out of place to have there. It's not a obvious or natural place to look for shutdown.

    Remove the lock screen. Or have it so that you can enter your password on this screen. Going through 2 screens (lock screen then password screen) is too much. Keep it simple and fast. You could have a password entry box appear once the user moves the mouse, taps the screen, or starts typing. It could work like searching in the Start screen – you simply start typing and it will enter your password in a box that fades in.

    Those are my biggest concerns. Apart from that stuff i mostly like how things are going.

  523. Robert liebgott says:

    Every thing I had on my comp is gone.I had 76,708 songs all my pitc.every thing so think it out good befor you do it.There is no going back.

  524. Gir says:

    Aroush & pmbAustin Seems to be the classic Microsoft fanboys.

  525. Gir says:

    Aroush & pmbAustin Seems to be the classic Microsoft fanboys.

  526. zorg says:

    hi,

    so far I like it, but in desktop mode it looks like W7, in metro mode, why the apps included in windows such , explorer or calculator  etc… doesnt have a metro like icon, I mean a rectangle big icon ?? this is not pretty

    other than that it seems easy to manage, nothing really complicated, but like plenty of others users, I feel like there is 2 systems or 2 interface for the same OS

    anyway I enjoyed it and can wait to see the final one

  527. Tom says:

    Metro is good for my girlfriend but not me. Windows 7 needed 2 mouse clicks to turn pc off. In windows 8 it takes too much time. Dont forget that pc users dont have standby button like in tablets. If you keep that way (disabling old style desktop/menu button that is good for power users ) users wont be happy about new windows, despite the fact that it has a lot of new and cool features.

  528. Luca says:

    Steven read this thread and pls give us  the possibility to disable Metro!

  529. pmbAustin says:

    "Windows 7 needed 2 mouse clicks to turn pc off. In windows 8 it takes too much time. "

    Using mouse:  Move to corner, click on settings, click on power, click on shut-down.  Three clicks.  One additional.  This isn't the end of the world.

    I do agree that the power options should be added to the right-click menu when you hover over the lower-left though.  That would be useful.

  530. pmbAustin says:

    @Pax:  It's as easy as saying: "We heard you. You will get the start-menu back." or "Deal with, this is the way it is"

    They've said exactly this.  A few times.  You see it hasn't changed anything.  They did extremely long posts on the Start Screen, why they went to it, and why they're not keeping the old "start menu" around.  To continue to believe that there's any chance the old start menu will return is… willfull delusion.

  531. Nicholas says:

    @pmbAustin

    I don't think you read what I wrote correctly. I have tried Widnows 8, I started with the developer preview being a developer! Metro is just not a slick for multi application uses as the standard desktop. If you are running several applications at the same time and interacting between them its works, but not as well.

    For developers and IT professionals metro is really the bit you dip in and out of, hence the need for it to be "optional".

    Full screen applications on a large high res screen is just a complete waste! It works on a tablet yes.

    Metro will be brilliant for tablets and great as a secondary UI for desktop and laptop but its going to be annoying for general day to day use for lots of us. I have to say as a life time Windows man, I have fort our corner hard I can't help feeling disappointed at the momment, and that has never happened with any of the previous versions (including Vista).

    I am happy with change as long as it works, I think this is a step too far and short sighted.

    I am going to continue to play around with Windows 8 to try and find ways of making it work for me, but I should not have to, Windows 7 works great.

  532. Pax says:

    @pmbAustin

    Three clicks, yes, but you seem to neglect the distance the mouse have to travel, aiming for a 2×2 pixel (or so) area, and waiting for the charms to pop up. And before you say it: No! It's not just "slamming" the mouse into the corner. It may be for some, but those of us who have multiple monitors are gonna have problems hitting that small area.

    Just trying to hit it in a VM where the mouse flows from the VM to the real desktop is a pain.

    Not to mention the upper left corner, and then having to travel down in a straight line just to see the running apps. That's quite a dexterity challenge when the mouse easily falls over to another monitor or out of the VM.

    This could easily be rectified if some larger, visual cues became visible when the mouse moved. That way MS could still have the hotspots hidden, and then change opacity as the mouse came nearer.

  533. pmbAustin says:

    @Richard – "pmbAustin, I'm sorry but not being able to close an application IS a big deal if the application isn't really suspended and is taking up resources.  That is the issue. "

    That's NOT an issue:  Metro apps don't use resources and ARE suspended if you're not using them.  And those are the only apps that don't have a close button.  And anyway, you CAN close them by just dragging from the top to the bottom and "throwing them away".  Or bring up the metro task switcher (upper right corner) then right-click on a thumb-nail and select "Close".  So I'm really not understanding your complaint here.

    "As far as accessing the Start menu from the corner of the screen or the Windows key on my keyboard, you are correct, except what you access is the Metro desktop, not the traditional start menu we have all grown accustomed to over the years. "

    You will grow accustomed to the new Start Screen over time as well, just as you grew accustomed to the old Start Menu.  Remember, when Win95 was first released, they had an animation with an arrow telling people to "Click Here!" because people didn't understand the old menu.  And everyone thought it was stupid and wrong to have to click "Start" in order to "Shut-down"… and now you see everyone insisting that they want the "Start" button back so they can "Shut down" faster!  And around and around it goes…

  534. Pax says:

    @pmbAustin

    Yes, as I mentioned, they wrote an article after the DP, trying to explain why they chose Metro etc.

    But not once, have they addressed wether or not we will be able to disable Metro or use the old start menu.

    Don't get me wrong, the Metro interface works fine. For Metro things that is.

    In my view, the ideal would be something like this:

    When in Metro, nothing (except the Desktop tile) would make you leave the Metro.

    When in Desktop, nothing (except a "Go to Metro shortcut) should force me to leave the desktop.

    Ideally, being able to still run Metro apps in a window while staying at the desktop. This would give us the best of both worlds. Now that would be a "No compromise" Windows.

    Metro and Desktop are to different interfaces, and always will be, each of them are good at what they do.

    Car analogy, I know ;), but my point is, that I don't have to exit my car to put it in reverse.

  535. pmbAustin says:

    @Pax, I COMPLETELY agree with you on the multi-monitor problem with those corners.  But until they fix that (and I hope they do) you can hit Win-C to get to the charms bar.  I'm not disagreeing with you completely, I just don't think it's the end of the world… the shut-down issue is far from the most annoying thing :-)  And I would hope it's one of the easier things to make better for desktop users.  Personally, I would like to see Shut-down on the Start Screen app menu (right-click, and then in addition to "All Programs", have "Sleep", "Hybernate", "Restart", and "Shutdown" options).  Or at least have that OPTION.

  536. AlexV says:

    Why Steven Sinofsky does not respond to all these comments?

  537. TIM says:

    @pmbAustin

    I will try to explain you why i dont want Metro to be forced no my desktop experience. I have used since the release day with an open mind. You might not believe me, but i did.

    My first reaction was. WTF? This is all weirdo. After the shock. I get used too. I could use the OS with familarity. I know how i could use it. It became non-thinking about it.

    There are things that i still find akward. The way to close Metro apps stills feels unconfortable. It's not that i cant get used to it. Something i need to understand as the future. To copy the gesture with the mouse its not a good option to me. Not this gesture. Besides when using the mouse apps should close similary. I agree with some other users that Metro apps should have an X button to close the app. This X could only appear when the mouse would go the right up corner.

    On the other hand the scroll the start screen and apps should copy the gesture of panning left and right. Drag and move the mouse right and left. I haven't try because i cant. But it seems to me it would work great. Better then the scroll bar. The scroll bar is really ugly IMHO.

    I like the search context of apps. I am on a app and the app dont need to have an search feature. Its on the charms. Its clever. Its different, but interesting.

    I installed several Metro apps. I liked a Vimeo a lot. Its really beatifull. I liked some games. I feel Metro on Desktop adds value to some people. Playing simple games and using some apps from time to time. After the novelty and spending the necessary time to get one with Metro, i decided what can i use Metro on my daily basis. Again some games and some apps. But on Desktop i find Metro incursions unpleasent.

    I have an Windows Phone. I love it. I really do. Sometimes it's limitation frustates me, like no USB, no Outlook usb sync, no skype incoming calls. But ok, besides that i love the UI and overall experience. But my computer its not the same thing as my phone. It's not a big phone.

    But after the Metro on Desktop experience, i felt that the way i use my pc.

    Even a friend of mine, who loves windows 8 and uses almost only while only Desktop for Word. But he was shocked that on Desktop he couldn't open Word via Start BUTTON. Having to go to Metro is just crazy. For him Metro is a consumer thing. Word is when he need's to work. It doesn't feel right to open Word via Metro.

    Having to switch to Metro its just not a different full screen. You enter on a new context. The colors are diferent, the fonts are different, the icons are different. It's all diferent. And it just doesn't feel good to me. It's genuinely unpleseant.

    When i am on Desktop. I want to remain on Desktop. The charms are on my way, several times. I dont want to use on Desktop. They dont make sense on Desktop to me. If you are using touch, well yes, but not a mouse. Not on corners… When i go to show desktop, bum. Sometimes when i want to close or minimize an app. Bum… When i am scrolling down an app, a browser bum. Then i cant go down because the charms wont let me. If i stay several hours with this issues it's really a compromised Desktop issue. Read all over the web, and all over the forums. Its just not me.

    I understand that MS wants you to use Metro, so you can buy apps. Get used to Metro, be inclined to buy a windows phone, to buy a new tablet. But i believe that they dont need to force people on them. People would also try it just for fun. This attitude will only create discomfort on people. Believe me children would love to Metro. Parents would buy games and xbox live objects for their sons.

    Also i dont think this has a future on enterprises. Maybe Microsoft doesn't care, and Windows 8 is really just a rush to get to tablet OS. Maybe on Windows9 they will then take care of Desktop integration. Maybe not. Maybe they are really convinced that this will work. From what i have seen it wont. It can make Windows 8 a worst scenario then Vista. And locking an UEFI wont make it right. It will only cause more discounfort and anger. People buy the Windows 8. They try, they dont like. They want to install Windows 7. They can't. Because Microsoft says. Try harder. Well they dont like it. Harder. And all because of safety? Does usb virus booting really a issue? What's the percentage that this is really a issue? 0.001%?

    Besides the all idea of Desktop on enterprises is productivity. Tiles are distracting and to some people annoying when people are in Desktop. Well for other people are ALWAYS annoying. Somepeople just hate Metro. I dont. But MS dont care. Well i think it should.

    If the store is really that important why Microsoft dont create an app for x86 legacy apps? It would be better for people, because we dont needed to going to websites. We could just buy in MS store. Better for MS as they would win a percentage. Maybe 30%, which i think is too much, but that's another discussion.

    I am not even talking of putting my mother using this.

    The all OS is tablet oriented. From the lockscreen going up, the metro only working good with some resolutions (no more no less) and only 1 monitor.  

    Microsoft make the terrible mistake of getting desktop to phones and tablets years ago. Windows 8 is the same opposite error. And they dont need it. With 2 to 3 changes, 80% of the problems would be non-existant.

    I know this is just a beta, But to me as it is, it just a tablet OS. I really love performance and desktops changes. But i dont have the slighest intention of upgrading from 7. On a tablet yes, tough.

  538. Pol says:

    Ahora esto se ha convertido en un circo de irracionales gracias a pmbAustin & Aroush esto demuestra lo fanboys que son, esperare el lanzamiento oficial de Windows 8 si es un desastre, no dudare cambiarme a Apple.

  539. Pol says:

    Ahora esto se ha convertido en un circo de irracionales gracias a pmbAustin & Aroush esto demuestra lo fanboys que son, esperare el lanzamiento oficial de Windows 8 si es un desastre, no dudare cambiarme a Apple.

  540. I have installed Windows 8 Consumer Preview (CP) on a 64-bit laptop without toucn running  Windows 7 without any issues except a small driver problem with BlueTooth mouse and on a 32-bit  laptop running Windows 8 Developer Preview also without any problems.  The CP version has greatly improved the mouse interaction and swtching between desktop and metro.  Also, connectivity to my LAN and other devices on the LAN was improved.  However, as others have pointed out, shutting down the computer in various states should be improved.  I also agree with others that Windows 8 is much better suited for touch screen Tablets and Windows Phone (which I really like); however, on Workstations and laptops that are desktop replacements, not so much.  I still strongly want the capability to manually close a metro App  and I also want to be able to resize metro Apps so that I can have many of them being viewed and being user interactive  at the same time – not just through tiles.   I also would like to launch multiple instances of metro Apps. This is why users have large high pixel density monitors and multi-monitors.   Also, I know that the Cloud is very important for the future, but Metro Apps should be able to peruse not only the cloud, but directores on any hard-drive on the local computer or on computers on a LAN.  For example, Photo and Music should be able to easily connect to photos and music within any directory anywhere and not just those linked through the Library directory.  Also, if a Cloud entity is not being used, such as Flickr in Photo, then the user should have the option to hide or remove it.  In general I believe that Cloud entities like Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, Flicker, etc. should have options for hiding and maybe this should be global so that any Metro App that has the capability to connect to them would automatically be affected.   I am not sure what purpose the initial Lock Screen is used for on WorkStations and Laptops when the user first turns these on.  It makes sense on a Windows Phone that is always left on, but Workstations and Laptops are not always left on, so it seems like it is just an extra step and it should automatically go directly to the Logon screen at startup.   I will definitely purchase tablets, non-desktop replacement laptops and windows phones with Windows 8, but I may not upgrade Workstations, etc. to Windows 8, at lease as it now stands.

  541. @TIM

    Very good review. I hope MS is reading this.

  542. Rene says:

    “Most inventors and engineers I’ve met are like me — they’re shy and they live in their heads. They’re almost like artists. In fact, the very best of them are artists. And artists work best alone — best outside of corporate environments, best where they can control an invention’s design without a lot of other people designing it for marketing or some other committee. I don’t believe anything really revolutionary has ever been invented by committee… I’m going to give you some advice that might be hard to take. That advice is: Work alone”

    — Apple co-founder Steve “Woz” Wozniak on creativity, echoing Susan Cain’s case for the power of introverts and the importance of solitude in creativity.

    This is what Microsoft needs to understand.

  543. Fantasm says:

    I tried this…

    I did… I wanted to like it but I HATE the metro UI. I want a START menu and I don't have or ever want a touchpad….

    I have a 40 inch monitor. It takes forever to scroll through the Apps in the Metro UI…. My arm will fall off….

    From where I sit, I cannot reach the top of my monitor… (Therfore a 40" touch screen isn't going to be feasible)

    I love big screens…  I like to look at nice desktop art… I do not like to look at childish squares and rectangles that look like they were designed in primary school by the people who design pictographic road signs so the illiterate can drive…

    I have a large number of programs on my computer… I liked being able to find them all in one place… Especially when looking for Uninstall programs etc… that come with many of the programs… Now they're extra random "Apps" that clutter my screen.

    Windows 8 will not be a purchase based on what I've seen….

  544. Rene says:

    “Most inventors and engineers I’ve met are like me — they’re shy and they live in their heads. They’re almost like artists. In fact, the very best of them are artists. And artists work best alone — best outside of corporate environments, best where they can control an invention’s design without a lot of other people designing it for marketing or some other committee. I don’t believe anything really revolutionary has ever been invented by committee… I’m going to give you some advice that might be hard to take. That advice is: Work alone”

    — Apple co-founder Steve “Woz” Wozniak on creativity, echoing Susan Cain’s case for the power of introverts and the importance of solitude in creativity.

    This is what Microsoft needs to understand.

  545. pmbAustin says:

    "There are things that i still find akward. The way to close Metro apps stills feels unconfortable."

    Good thing there's no need to close them, then.  Unless you really want to (for some reason)… in which case you can right-click the thumnail in the task list (upper-left corner, drag down) and close.  Or throw the thing away with the same gesture you do for moving docked metro apps.

    But the central point here is: You don't need to close them.  Any more than you need a "close box" on iPhone or iPod apps.  That's the whole point.  Yes, it's a complete change of mind-set.  And yes, it's completely inconsistent with desktop apps.  But that doesn't mean you need to add a close button to all metro apps.  There are already multiple ways to close Metro Apps for those that feel the need, even though there rarely is any need.

    "On the other hand the scroll the start screen and apps should copy the gesture of panning left and right. Drag and move the mouse right and left. I haven't try because i cant. But it seems to me it would work great. Better then the scroll bar. The scroll bar is really ugly IMHO."

    Agree (though I don't think the scrollbar is ugly… it's just too small of a target, especially when working with a trackpad only).  I've made this same suggestion several times, as have dozens of others.  Hopefully MS will listen.

    "But he was shocked that on Desktop he couldn't open Word via Start BUTTON."

    Sigh.  So pin Word to your taskbar.  Or hit win-key and type "Word" and press enter.  Or put Word in one of the first groups on your start screen.  It's so simple, I'm not sure what the problem is.  I really REALLY don't understand why this is a "problem".  And why you think a start BUTTON is a solution (you don't NEED a button, it's completely redundant, you have half a dozen ways to get to the start screen without it, it does nothing but take up space unnecessarily).

    "Having to go to Metro is just crazy. "

    What's crazy is this wierd notion you have of "having ot go to metro".  The Start Screen is the Start Screen.  "Metro" is a design language and a style of app.  Yes, the "Start Screen" USES Metro, but so what?  It's just your start-menu from Win7, only full screen.  Yes, I know you hate the full screen, but it's really not that bad … I can't fathom why people hate it so much.  I really can't.  You can launch half a dozen desktop apps via the Start Screen, and let them load while you're launching other apps.  It's really fast and fluid.  And you only NEED to go to it when you're after some seldom-used app that you don't have pinned to your task bar.  Why is this such a huge deal to you?  It's not a big deal!

    "For him Metro is a consumer thing. Word is when he need's to work."

    That's a problem with his perception/conception.  Change your mindset, and it's fluid and natural.  the "Start Screen" is just your app launcher … it has nothing to do with "consumer" vs. "work".

    "When i am on Desktop. I want to remain on Desktop. The charms are on my way, several times. I dont want to use on Desktop. They dont make sense on Desktop to me. "

    Again, I think the problem is your perception.  The charms only pop up when you hit the corners and drag either up or down, so they're out of the way unless you want them.  They're useful for getting to settings, for search (try Desktop Search from the charms instead of going to the Start Screen, for example), for getting to other options like power, networking, etc., as well as giving you yet another way to get to the start screen (instead of the Start Button).  They make perfect sense IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.  Everything is consistent whether you're working in Metro or in Desktop.  You can even dock Metro apps next to the desktop just as if Desktop were another full-screen Metro app.  You can grab the top of the Desktop screen and throw it to the bottom to get back to the Start Screen… with everything on your desktop still running in the background.

    "Having to switch to Metro its just not a different full screen. You enter on a new context. The colors are diferent, the fonts are different, the icons are different. It's all diferent. And it just doesn't feel good to me. It's genuinely unpleseant."

    I don't find it even remotely unpleasant, but acknowledge that you do.  I've requested a more "metro-styled" desktop theme that could be optionally applied instead of Areo.  It only makes sense to me to provide such a thing.  I don't think they'll do it, but I can hope they will, and I'll keep requesting it.  It's so easy to "Skin" Windows Desktop, that I'd think they'd put some of their designers on this, and get it into the Release Candidate this summer.  Other than that, all I can say is that this is just another thing you'll ultimately get used to.

  546. pmbAustin says:

    "I have a large number of programs on my computer… I liked being able to find them all in one place… Especially when looking for Uninstall programs etc… that come with many of the programs… Now they're extra random "Apps" that clutter my screen."

    You realize you can eliminate that clutter, right?  You had to do this with XP's Start Menu… manually organize and re-organize after every install.  You can customize it so you don't have to scroll all over the place… put your most used things in groups towards the front.  Voila.  If you have a hundred groups, you can easily zoom out (click lower-right icon) and click directly on the group you want, no scrolling necessary.

    And to find all your programs in one place, just right-click the start-screen, and select "All Programs".  There they are, organized and listed, all of them, just like the "All Programs" menu in Win7.

    I think you're rejecting something before you've made an effort to understand and appreciate it.

  547. Carlos says:

    pmbAustin WTF! Eres asi de terco e irracional?

  548. Feedback says:

    I have installed Windows 8 on both my Asus EP121 tablet and now my desktop.  I happy with Windows 8 on the tablet although I can't seem to find My Documents (or any library) when I am Metro.  I can search for file, but how do I browse my libraries?  On my desktop I have four monitors, the third monitor from the left is my main monitor, and most of the time when I go to the left corner to click Start I miss and my mouse slides to the next monitor.  This is a big pain in the butt when I am trying to get to an app quickly, and I hope it gets fixed.

  549. pmbAustin says:

    Here's an interesting video someone (not me) made showing how they use the Start Screen to launch a bunch of apps on the desktop and move back and forth.  It can be useful visualizing this for some people:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

  550. A couple of things I'd think would be good to have.

    1) Allow us to customise an "All Users" and current user Metro screen. At the moment with the start menu both at home and when I'm creating default profiles at work I have start menu categories assigned so that most applications can be viewed by all users but others only appear in my start menu. At the moment this can be edited by right clicking the Start button and clicking "Open" or "Open All". I know that this is possible in Windows 8 for the all applications menu by manually going to the paths (C:ProgramDataMicrosoftWindowsStart Menu).

    2) Allow an option to display all applications by default. On certain configurations this would be useful to have.

    3) The shut down button on the bottom right of the start screen.

  551. Jim says:

    @pmbAustin

    How old are you? Bertrand Russell would not approve any of your comments due your irrationality

  552. Jim says:

    @pmbAustin

    How old are you? Bertrand Russell would not approve any of your comments due your irrationality

  553. zotya says:

    Pros: fast boot, good looking, IE 10

    Cons: can't scroll in several web pages in IE, because of full screen pages (Ex. Facebook chat scrolling, I couldn't do it, because it scrolled the other part of the page), can't set up libraries contents, from within the libraries; ribbon interface

  554. Phantom says:

    @pmbAustin

    Why you HAVE TO WRITE LIKE THIS, did you realize how childish looks?

  555. Phantom says:

    @pmbAustin

    Why you HAVE TO WRITE LIKE THIS, did you realize how childish looks?

  556. @Really? Microsoft

    I was simply pointing out that I do not think this blog is the best place for a discussion. While this blog functions as a dialogue, there are other and better ways of providing feedback to Microsoft than this blog, such as the Email Blog Author link, the TechNet forums, and various feedback tools.

  557. Mango says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

    You see this, Is GOOD FOR KIDS!!!

  558. TIM says:

    @pmbAustin

    Really i am trying not to loose my patience with you, but you have to understand its becoming extremly difficult. Why do insist in trying to force me to see by your point of view?

    "There are things that i still find akward. The way to close Metro apps stills feels unconfortable."

    Good thing there's no need to close them, then.  Unless you really want to (for some reason)… in which case you can right-click the thumnail in the task list (upper-left corner, drag down) and close.  Or throw the thing away with the same gesture you do for moving docked metro apps.

    But the central point here is: You don't need to close them.  Any more than you need a "close box" on iPhone or iPod apps.  That's the whole point.  Yes, it's a complete change of mind-set.  And yes, it's completely inconsistent with desktop apps.  But that doesn't mean you need to add a close button to all metro apps.  There are already multiple ways to close Metro Apps for those that feel the need, even though there rarely is any need.

    -> I know you dont have to close an app. Resources getting done by the OS, yeah i know. People dont close apps just because of resources. They close because they dont need it. Because of organization. If i am on a tablet i have to swipe several (extra) times just to get to the app i want, because of apps i dont need anymore. Or you know the system will eventually start to kill apps when resources start to drop. Maybe there are apps that i want that get knocked out while others that i dont need anyome dont.

    "But he was shocked that on Desktop he couldn't open Word via Start BUTTON."

    Sigh.  So pin Word to your taskbar.  Or hit win-key and type "Word" and press enter.  Or put Word in one of the first groups on your start screen.  It's so simple, I'm not sure what the problem is.  I really REALLY don't understand why this is a "problem".  And why you think a start BUTTON is a solution (you don't NEED a button, it's completely redundant, you have half a dozen ways to get to the start screen without it, it does nothing but take up space unnecessarily).

    -> Are you listening. Do you understand that people dont quite react the same? Shocked because its doesn't make sense to have this new full screen of apps.

    Another thing. Imagine on Metro using a tablet touch. I have my favourites apps on start screen. It's ideal to me. If i had the start button i could have my apps on start button. But as i dont have the start button, i have to put some on the start screen. So its a compromise, my tablet experience will have icons of Desktop apps. It didn't need to.

    Pin Word to my taskbar, its not just about word. 'Its' Apps. Should i have to pin every app to taskbar? Or make my desktop a completly mess of shortcuts?

    Or hit win-key and type "Word" and press enter.  Or put Word in one of the first groups on your start screen.

    -> Are you kidding me? I have explain to you i dont like to go to the start screen.

    I really REALLY don't understand why this is a "problem".

    -> lol! I am just maniac. And several lots of other people! We just have a mental problem. Sorry. Could you read again my previous comment. Is really, i mean REALLY, really genuinely unpleasent, distrating. I am sorry, but it REALLY is. And i mean REALLY!!! Of course its not the end of the world. But hey maybe the sufficent to consider me swithcing of OS.

    And why you think a start BUTTON is a solution (you don't NEED a button, it's completely redundant, you have half a dozen ways to get to the start screen without it, it does nothing but take up space unnecessarily).

    -> Are you serious about that logic? Take up space unnecessarily? But pinning Word to the Taskbar dont? Excel? OneNote? All other bunch of apps. Yes there are half a dozen ways to get to the start screen without it, but none is as good to me then the start button. Am i gonna need to repeat myself next time about it?

    "For him Metro is a consumer thing. Word is when he need's to work."

    That's a problem with his perception/conception.  Change your mindset, and it's fluid and natural.  the "Start Screen" is just your app launcher … it has nothing to do with "consumer" vs. "work".

    -> well you are right its a perception thing. You say A i say B. Please try to understand that A is not an absolute truth or better then B.

    "When i am on Desktop. I want to remain on Desktop. The charms are on my way, several times. I dont want to use on Desktop. They dont make sense on Desktop to me. "

    Again, I think the problem is your perception.  The charms only pop up when you hit the corners and drag either up or down, so they're out of the way unless you want them.  They're useful for getting to settings, for search (try Desktop Search from the charms instead of going to the Start Screen, for example), for getting to other options like power, networking, etc., as well as giving you yet another way to get to the start screen (instead of the Start Button).  They make perfect sense IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.  Everything is consistent whether you're working in Metro or in Desktop.  You can even dock Metro apps next to the desktop just as if Desktop were another full-screen Metro app.  You can grab the top of the Desktop screen and throw it to the bottom to get back to the Start Screen… with everything on your desktop still running in the background.

    -> well Charms really get on my way. It happens to me alot. When i am scrolling down, i make the fast movement of going with mouse to corner and then adjust to the place i wanna go. Its the same with closing apps, minimzing and maximizing. ITS not a perception, its a real problem. I might get used to, but i have to more carefull and slowly with my mouse. Just a small compromise.

    "I have a large number of programs on my computer… I liked being able to find them all in one place… Especially when looking for Uninstall programs etc… that come with many of the programs… Now they're extra random "Apps" that clutter my screen."

    You realize you can eliminate that clutter, right?  You had to do this with XP's Start Menu… manually organize and re-organize after every install.  You can customize it so you don't have to scroll all over the place… put your most used things in groups towards the front.  Voila.  If you have a hundred groups, you can easily zoom out (click lower-right icon) and click directly on the group you want, no scrolling necessary.

    And to find all your programs in one place, just right-click the start-screen, and select "All Programs".  There they are, organized and listed, all of them, just like the "All Programs" menu in Win7.

    -> Its a much bigger effort on 8.

    I think you're rejecting something before you've made an effort to understand and appreciate it.

    -> well, i did. I really did. Its just you dont believe it. Besides if the new OS really demands such a amount of effort on people to adapt it, then i think is doomed at born. Really if it requires the effort you are saying. Imagine all people who are like my mom, and people who calls me because they want to know how can they copy their DVD photos, or fix that thing on their pc they just dont get it.

    But believe me. Open mind, i really really wanted to like Windows 8. And it was SO close. It's stil so close. Just 2, 3 fixes. Hope microsoft get it. Listen its just not me. Its a whole bunch of people.

    Just to end. This problems and noise people are doing its just because of political reasons. MS wants us to use Metro. They think that if people in process of opening a new app might be distracted and with the New Start Screen, we might buy an app. And tablet will grow on us. And we will buy windows phones. Well i dont think that this particular new start screen is really necessary. People will try. Some will like, some dont. Like some people dont like windows phones metro. I love it. I really love windows PHONE. But hey they are creating this noise out of necessity.

    Cheers

  559. Hero says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch

    This is Good just for KIDS.

  560. Brandon Mills says:

    Wait…"there is no need to close them"? Have you ever left multiple apps open on your iPad to notice that the battery life starts draining away like crazy? Just because you *can* leave apps open in iOS doesn't mean you really should make a habit out of it. At least, if you value battery life.

  561. UserFeedBack says:

    I actually like the fresh look of Metro apps. I want to use them but I don't want them to take up the entire screen. What is so hard about that? I just don't understand Microsoft insistence that a simple single task app should monopolize the entire screen.

    What exactly is lost if a Metro app was in a chrome-less floating resizeable window? 99% of the complaints here would go away if they made this simple change.

  562. Brandon Mills says:

    Btw, I've been using 8 for awhile and loving it. I still spend 99% of my time on the desktop. When you release Office 15, I bet I stick to the Desktop version.

  563. TIM says:

    @Mango, the kid was not really interested :). He was more interested on the camera… :) Just kidding

  564. Jolly Roger says:

    http://www.stardock.com/…/start8

    Bringing back the Start Button in Windows 8.

  565. Roland says:

    "When in Desktop, nothing (except a "Go to Metro shortcut) should force me to leave the desktop."

    I second that! It's very disturbing that opening a Web link from Win32 programs (ShellExecute "http://&quot;) opens immersive IE by default. When you click a hyperlink to a Web page in Outlook, for example, suddenly the desktop (along with taskbar and everything) disappears and Metro IE opens the page full-screen. This is very confusing, it feels like entering a separate world: the UI fonts are different, the overall style is different, the task switching (return from the browser to Outlook) is different, and why assume that I want the browser full-screen? It's just plain annoying.

    I know that there's a new option in IE10 to open all Web links in the desktop IE (thanks Paul Thurrott!), but most users won't know about it and just hate the new behavior. As a result, many will install another browser which leaves them on the desktop when they click links.

    The new behavior is especially problematic in corporate environments.

    As a result, the rule should be: ShellExecuting from Win32 programs should always launch the Win32 (desktop) target. Only if it's not available, launch the Metro counterpart.

  566. Mango says:

    @pmbAustin

    Are you retard or what? People DON’T like it, Its just simple.

  567. pmbAustin says:

    "Have you ever left multiple apps open on your iPad to notice that the battery life starts draining away like crazy?"

    WinRT and Win8 Metro are not iOS.

    And even in Win8, you CAN close Metro apps.  You just don't have to as a matter of course.  When you want to leave an app, you just… leave it.

    "How old are you? Bertrand Russell would not approve any of your comments due your irrationality"

    @Jim, nothing I posted is irrational.  What's irrational is the hysterical gnashing of teeth and weeping and ranting over things that aren't going to change.  My posts are completely rational, in fact, pointing out methods of doing things that others insist aren't possible (just as an example).

    @Phantom, do you have to double-post all the time?  Do you know how childish that looks?