Signing in to Windows 8 with a Windows Live ID


With Windows 8, we introduce the optional capability to sign in to your PC with a Windows Live ID and, by doing so, gaining the ability to roam a broad range of settings across all of your PCs. In this article by Katie Frigon, the group program manager of the You-Centered Experience team, she describes the feature and its benefits. –Steven

Each Windows user wants to have the ability to set up and use a PC in a way that is unique to them. Doing so, however, can be challenging in today’s multiple user and multiple PC environment. We know that shared PC usage is common and we’ve heard from many of you that switching between multiple accounts can be cumbersome. The difficulties associated with managing multiple accounts often lead to the sharing of a single account on a PC, and a less personal (and potentially less private) experience for each user. We also know that users are utilizing multiple devices more often now, and setting up a new PC can be inconvenient and time consuming. In Windows 8, we have set out to ensure that each PC user has a truly personal experience that seamlessly bridges their online and offline tasks, is simpler to set up and use, and persists across their set of Windows 8 PCs. To do this, we’ve introduced the ability to log in to Windows (optionally) with a Windows Live ID that works across devices, apps, and services, allowing you a uniquely personal experience with Windows.

72% of desktop PCs have 2 or more user accounts; 49% of laptops (including tablets) have 2 or more user accounts 
Shared PC usage occurs in 72% of desktops and 49% of laptops

35% - Each user has their own user account and logs on with it each time they use the computer; 9% - some users only use their own accounts and some users share accounts; 2% - Some users have multiple accounts, some have just one account; 15% - there is only 1 account shared by all users plus an administrator account for the system; 25% - there is only 1 account shared by all users; 13% - There is no "logon" account at all on this computer; 1% - don't know.
How user accounts are used on shared computers

45% of US households have 1 PC, 36% have 2 or more PCs.
PCs per household in the United States

Benefits of signing in to Windows 8 with Windows Live ID


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Signing in with an ID allows you to:

  • Associate the most commonly used Windows settings with your user account. Saved settings are available when you sign in to your account on any Windows 8 PC. Your PC will be set up just the way you are used to!
  • Easily reacquire your Metro style apps on multiple Windows 8 PCs. The app’s settings and last-used state persist across all your Windows 8 PCs.
  • Save sign-in credentials for the different apps and websites you use and easily get back into them without having to enter credentials every time.
  • Automatically sign in to apps and services that use Windows Live ID for authentication.

When you buy a Windows 8 PC and set up your user account for the first time, you can optionally choose to create an account that is associated to a Windows Live ID. You can either use an existing ID or create a new one. If you choose to create a new one, you can use any email address you want as your new ID, and then create your unique password. For example, you can use example@live.com or you can use someone@example.com. You just need to identify an email address that you want to have associated with the Windows Live ID service, and provide a unique password.  Of course, you can also continue to use local Windows accounts as you always have and obviously, domain-administered accounts work as they always have as well.

So, although many people assume they will need to sign up for a new email account to get a Windows Live ID, it’s actually not necessary. In fact, many online services use a "string" like someone@example.com to represent a user name, even though that string looks like an email address. For example, when you order books at an online bookstore, your user name may look like an email address, even though your online book seller does not manage your email. The someone@example.com address is just a convenient way of identifying you, since most Internet users these days have email addresses. So, your email account and password will still be managed by whatever email provider you choose, and we use the user name and password you give us to help manage your settings and state across your Windows 8 PCs, even if you haven’t signed up for Hotmail or other Microsoft services that use this ID.

Like all of us, you probably spend a significant amount of time personalizing your Windows experience to reflect your style, your life, and how you use your PC. We all know how frustrating it is when all that work is lost when you buy a new PC or use a different one (or just reformat your hard drive). With Windows 8, we are working to change that—you will be able to have your personal Windows experience on any Windows 8 PC you sign in to with your Windows Live ID. Settings such as your lock screen picture, desktop background, user tile, browser favorites and history, spell check dictionaries, Explorer settings, mouse settings, and accessibility settings, among many others are now associated with your Windows 8 account and stored in the cloud. They are kept in sync and come down to each machine you use as they are changed or updated.

Having a truly personal experience in Windows 8 also includes your Metro style apps—how you use them, the settings you use, and where you left off. It will be easy to see which Metro style apps you’ve purchased and choose which ones you want to have on each of your Windows 8 PCs. By using your ID to sign in to Windows, the settings and state for your Metro style apps stay in sync between each PC you use. For example, let’s say you are reading the news in a reader app on your tablet. If you add specific feeds you want to continue to follow, those feeds could automatically be available in the same reader app on any of your other Windows 8 PCs. We will also enable developers to build Metro style apps that tell Windows their state, so you can pick up where you left off as you move between PCs. You can pick up on the same page of a book, the same level of a game, or the same place in the movie you were watching as you switch between your Windows 8 PCs. In the developer preview of Windows 8, you can see this functionality in Internet Explorer 10.

You might be wondering how you can roam non-Metro style apps and settings without a domain. This isn’t something that can be done with Windows Live ID, and we would discourage using tools that manually attempt to do this by mechanisms such as going through the registry or copying around executables. However, using the new Restore/Refresh tools, it is possible to easily create an image that has your preferred desktop apps installed, and then use that as a refresh point.  If you do want to roam your settings for desktop apps then you can continue to use the mechanisms available for roaming profiles and client side caching of files available with Active Directory and Windows Server.

Another benefit of signing in with a Windows Live ID is how we’ve simplified the need to sign in to multiple services and applications. We accomplish this in two ways. First, once you’ve signed in to Windows with your ID, you do not need to enter it again to sign in to any app or website that also uses Windows Live ID. For example, once you sign in to Windows with your ID, you can launch the Windows Messaging app and start talking with your friends without the need to sign in again. Similarly, you can browse to your Hotmail inbox page without needing to enter your email address and password again. You can always sign out of a webpage and sign in as a different user, but by default you will be automatically signed in. To be clear, however, those applications and websites do not have special access to your Windows PC or your personal data.

Second, if you choose to, Windows can store separate Metro style app and web site credentials. Those credentials can then sync to each Windows 8 PC that you’ve trusted and verified yourself with. You won’t have to type in your user name or password; just confirm your sign-in as needed. Similar to the Messaging application example, when launching a Metro style application that uses this feature, you will be signed in automatically and the application will resume right where you left off.

User controls

There is a lot of benefit to using a Windows Live ID to sign in to Windows. However, it is important to note that every Windows user is unique in their needs. Your Windows 8 experience is in your control. When you create a Windows account, you choose the type of account you want to use. You can choose to create one that associates with Windows Live ID, or stick with a local account that works just like in Windows 7. You can also change a local account to link it with a Windows Live ID at a later date.

If you choose to associate your local account with an ID, we’ve provided control over what you want to sync to each Windows 8 PC you use. In Control Panel, there is a section called “Sync PC Settings” where you can manually turn settings sync on or off.

You can choose to turn off all syncing or you can turn off syncing per the type of setting. The settings groups include:

  • Personalize
  • Themes
  • Ease of access
  • Language preferences
  • Apps
  • Web browser
  • Other stuff
  • Some passwords

We’ve recommended a default behavior that assumes you want to roam settings that are used most often to personalize and customize the way you use your PC. In particular, we’ve heard from you that visual personalization for your PC is important. For Windows 8 we’ve included key settings like changing your lock screen image. In addition, you can also roam the desktop themes you use and create, including colors, sounds, and desktop background (note: currently for the background image we roam the original image that was selected if it’s under 2MB. If the image is over 2MB we compress and crop the image to 1920×1200).

It is also important that you maintain control of your data when work and personal start to mix. In Windows 8, when you link your Windows domain account to a Windows Live ID, we ask you up front (before data is synced) what data you want to sync between your domain-joined PC and other PCs you use with that ID. That way, you can decide if things like your web history, favorites, or credentials should sync to your work machine, or if you’d prefer to keep those or anything else that is synced only on your personal machines.

We also empower IT administrators to control what a user can sync to a work PC through group policy. We have provided control to IT administrators to decide if a worker can link their domain account to an ID, and if the admin allows that link, what types of data the worker is allowed to sync.

Finally it’s important to note that credentials that are entered and stored on a domain-joined machine do not get uploaded to the cloud, and never get synced to your other PCs – this ensures that corporate credentials stay on the PCs that are managed by the IT admin.

Privacy and security

We understand that when using services connected to the cloud, privacy and security are on the top of your mind. When you associate your Windows user account with a Windows Live ID, there are three categories of data that are especially interesting from the privacy and security perspective:

  1. Your Windows Live ID user name and password
  2. Your Windows Live ID user profile
  3. The settings and data you choose to sync

We’ve taken measures to safeguard the ID and password you use to sign in to Windows. We do this in a couple ways. First, we will require a strong password (and you can’t leave password blank). Next, we’ll collect a secondary proof of your identity. This will allow us to establish “trust” with specific PCs that you use frequently or own. This in turn will also enable more secure syncing of private data like passwords. Collecting the secondary proof of your identity also helps make account recovery easier and more secure. Examples of secondary proofs are alternative email addresses, mobile phone numbers, and questions with secret answers—something that generally only you will know.

Signing in with a Windows Live ID also gives you much more control over your password, including your ability to recover a lost one. If you use a local account and you forget your password, you’re in a tough spot, and your options are limited. You may be able to recover your password with a hint or a recovery key, but if neither of those works, you’re generally left with having to rebuild your PC from scratch. (Technically there are some password cracking tools available on the Internet that you could download and try, but they’re unlikely to work on a suitably strong password, and many of the cracking tools available online are actually malware downloads!)  However, if you sign in to your PC with your Windows Live ID and you later forget your password, you can reset your password from another PC by navigating to https://login.live.com and clicking on “forgot my password.”  This will allow you to reset your password in a secure fashion without losing any information on your PC. Resetting your password this way is also more secure because it takes advantage of the secondary proof we mentioned earlier to make sure it’s really you resetting your password.

You might also be wondering, “what happens if somehow my Windows Live ID gets stolen?”  Well, we have some help for you there too. Windows Live ID includes a number of different safety features to detect if your account is stolen, and it will change your account to a “compromised” state (limiting what it can do) until you can regain control of your account using the two-factor authentication features (secondary proofs) that you set up earlier. Importantly, you will still have full access to your PC, since your PC will allow you to log in with the password you had before your account was stolen – you just won’t be able to use the services and applications that rely on this ID until you go through our “recover my account” workflow online.

With Windows 8, we want to put you in control of how your data is used and what you want to sync between Windows 8 PCs. When you choose to sign in to your Windows 8 PC with a Windows Live ID, only a small amount – your first name, last name, and display name — are shared with Windows. Windows does not use any of your other profile data. Your profile data stored in the cloud is released to apps or websites that you allow to have that data. While any Metro style app can leverage Windows Live ID for their own sign-in authentication, they must always ask you first if you want to allow access to particular details from your profile.

As mentioned earlier, there are three categories of data that can be synced to your Windows 8 PCs when you sign in with your ID: 1) Windows settings, 2) App settings and data, and 3) credentials. This data is stored in the cloud so that it is available to you when you sign in to your various Windows 8 PCs. The size of the data we roam is minimal and we only enforce some limits on a per setting basis, for example, the file size for the lock screen image. None of this counts against your Windows Live storage quota. This data is also stored separately from your other Windows Live data, for example, what you store on SkyDrive.

You might be concerned with how profile data is protected. In order to secure user data, we’ve taken several measures. First, we do not roam data over WWAN by default. Second, all user data is encrypted on the client before it is sent to the cloud. All data and settings that leave your PC are transmitted using SSL/TLS. The most sensitive information, like your credential information, is encrypted once based on your password and then encrypted again as it is sent across the Internet. The data stored is not available to other Microsoft services or third parties. Lastly, before the sensitive information can be accessed on a second Windows 8 PC for the first time, you must establish “trust” for that PC by providing further proof of your identity. This further proof can be done by providing Windows with a code sent to your mobile phone number or by following the instructions sent to an alternate email address.

Any of the data that is saved to the cloud via the roaming mechanism is only accessed by Windows for roaming. This is very important. So for example, Internet Explorer’s history is saved as a roaming state but is not used or accessed in any other context—it is no different than if you had manually created that same record of website history on another PC.

We are very excited about the opportunity to make the Windows 8 experience more personal and easier to set up in a way that protects your privacy and safety. We look forward to hearing about how you are enjoying the feature and to receiving your feedback!

Katie Frigon

Comments (182)

  1. NelsonNR says:

    Wow – exciting, thanks for clarifying the AD and Group Policy mechanisms.

  2. Can i specify, which PC can be connected with my LiveID on the Sync Website, so that  this will be checked, so i got two pcs and those can only used with the LiveID Login and no other PC.

  3. Thanks for the information. I already have my WIndows 8 PC set up with my Live ID. Love the sync feature. 🙂

  4. These are really great news! Since LiveID will be totally implemented, could we finally expect such features as an ability to one-click picture saving to SkyDrive from  Paint and Snipping Tool and having the link in the clipboard? Ability to share visual information immediately is very important, especially in different communities (msdn/technet/answers). .  

  5. mark says:

    am i the only one who can see this video? I know it's html 5 but… at work… chrome10, firefox latest and ie 8 = no go. Here is an idea… have some js that will at least detect the browser and swap in some SL for us ..''poor saps'?

  6. Marc says:

    Looks good, what do you do if the user open an app while the data ia loading? Does the downloaded profile overwrite what was the user is doing in the app, or merge, or does it get ignored and the new app's state used instead?

  7. Marc says:

    Looks good, what do you do if the user open an app while the data ia loading? Does the downloaded profile overwrite what was the user is doing in the app, or merge, or does it get ignored and the new app's state used instead?

  8. mt327000 says:

    If Windows 8 really works the way I want it to, please let me use the desktop as the default UI and run Metro in a fixed-size window. This would be the best way to improve Windows 8 on desktops, I think.

  9. John says:

    @Steven

    I would like to see a demo video showing how to work with Photoshop, croping an image (with Poligonal Lasso Tool) without using a mouse.

  10. Simon Tremblay says:

    Hi.

    What will be the default value (Enabled or Disabled) on the abilities to link Windows Domain account to a Windows Live ID? My personal choose is to force a domain administrator to enable and configured it via GPO before users are able to make the link.

  11. What happend when i have no internet connection one time? Can i access my pc and when the internet connection is avaiable the data will be synced.

    I know first time you will need internet to set up LIveID login.

  12. Awesome. Will this include settings of other Microsoft products (Office, WMP, WMC, Zune, Live Essentials)? And will you integrate Live Mesh in the scenario, for syncing other programs? I don't understand why Live Mesh cannot sync settings that are in the AppData/Local folders. And, by the way, Live Mesh isn't properly working in the current version of Windows 8. It doesn't load at start up and doesn't close properly.

  13. Håvard K says:

    How about having the OS handle DRM for movies/music bought through Zune? That way we can use whatever mediaplayer we want to use to play them back.

    That would actually make it possible for consumers to buy TV-series/movies from Zune and then use things like MediaPortal to watch it.

  14. How will this work with Media Center and a tv tuner? Currently in Win 7 my account does not use a password since Media Center wakes my laptop from sleep to record shows. With Win 8 and a Live ID log on, I wouldn't be able to do that since each wake from sleep would require a password right? Then none of my shows would get recorded. So I could not use my Live ID to log on, but get none of the benefits.

  15. Correct me if i'm wrong, but took it 3 days to switch from PC? 🙂

  16. pzstm says:

    Awesome! I love the Windows LiveID integration. 😉

  17. Sylvain Reverdy says:

    I don't like the idea that Windows Live ID is the only choice if you want to synchronize all your stuff. There should be other possible implementations by Google, Yahoo, facebook…. Microsoft should let the user choose the ID and synchronization stuff provider…

  18. sousa11 says:

    AWESOME! Will be extremely cool for htpc's. I can start watching a movie on the htpc attached to the living-room-tv and then watch it where i left off in the bedroom..

  19. mt327000 says:

    I didn't get to finish my comment earlier, as my first comment was too long and I didn't have time to post the second one. Anyway, if you think that Metro on desktops is better than the desktop, I do have some arguments against that notion, if you are willing to hear them.

  20. mt327000 says:

    As for the actual idea of signing in with a Live ID, this is an impressive new step for Windows. Imagine being able to use somebody else's computer like your own. This is an excellent new idea. The only problem: this design is dependent on the Metro interface, which is not the interface that I plan to use on a desktop. I spend almost all of my time in Windows 8 in the desktop, and the Start Screen and the entire Metro UI seems somewhat pointless. Most Metro apps aren't as capable as desktop apps, and I see no reason to use them, or even the Start Screen when better options exist today for desktop users.

  21. Great feature, one that will certainly see a lot of usage! It sounds like security was given a strong priority, which is greatly appreciated. Thanks for the great post!

  22. Ropama says:

    Great Post. In the first chart, is the y-axis supposed to be "Number of Users" rather than "Number of Users Accounts"?

  23. @Sylvain Reverdy says:

    Yeah exactly, the same way Google provides full integration with Azure? You are just another troll (JAT)…

  24. Dario D. says:

    The photo password thing looks nice, but be careful with it… if anyone sees you sign in ONCE, they'll instantly know your password. (otherwise, if it's a very complex gesture, you probably won't remember it (not sure)… unless it's spelling out a word, which is probably the easiest thing for the mind to remember… but, in that case, it would be much faster to just type in a regular password.)

  25. John says:

    This is brilliant!! I have always wanted to be able to login with my Live Id and sync stuff.

    Question: Do you sync internet favorites from the desktop IE as well? If you do, this will be amazing!

  26. Alireza Noori says:

    I think this is GREAT but I want to have control over how this works. Where is these settings saved? Is there any place that I can manage these settings or remove some of them, select which settings are applied to a PC or maybe go back in time a few versions back? For example XMarks saves/shares my bookmarks across all common browsers and I can log onto their website to manage my bookmarks. Also I can revert my bookmarks to an older version (sth like a repository). This is great when something goes wrong and I want to go back and fix it. Like system restore. I don't want all my machines to suffer from some simple mistake I make! You get what I mean…

    Another area that I'm interested in is how much bandwidth is this feature using? I mean it's great to have synced info but if it's causing too much of my bandwidth maybe I don't want that or maybe I want to turn sync off for a little while OR maybe I want to tell it to sync on a schedule (for instance nightly sync).

    I think there should be a section in control panel to allow users to choose these types of options. What do you thing??!!

  27. Alireza Noori says:

    Sorry, I haven't read the whole article. Some of my questions are answered actually in the article (like: is there anywhere that I can choose what is shared?) . But a few remain:

    -Can I restore previous settings?

    -How much bandwidth does it gonna use?

    -Can I setup schedual sync?

  28. Panda X says:

    I've noticed after reinstalling the Developer Preview (Hyper-V caused an irreversible problem with GPU drivers which made videos not render and Flash to crash in all browsers when using hardware accelerated video) that some of these settings like show file extensions and disabled colored folder names were automatically synced which I loved.

    I'm hoping that folder view (icon sizes, arrange/sort/group by) will also get synced as well.

    Also is it possible to re-assign drive letters with sync for drives that isn't the home drive? One of my drives is set to X:  (which no longer shows when installing Windows (assume it has something to do with the fact that the installer uses X:) which is where I move my user profile folders to and it would be great if that was possible.

  29. NEHEMIAH says:

    Am impressed that Microsoft is finally paying attention to user feedbacks. Love Windows 8, Love Microsoft

  30. Nicole says:

    I think this is a great idea, but please don't forget to accommodate users with less than perfect internet service.  If you internet service is down, can you still log in to your PC?  If not, it's a non-start in many regions just like Active Desktop was.

  31. NEHEMIAH says:

    I think NICOLES' point is pretty valid Microsoft. If Internet is down/ offline, can someone log in with their windows live ID if a local account wasn't created?

  32. HandNF says:

    Sounds nice. Add syncing settings with Skydrive and you've got a powerful cloud-based service.

  33. Sounds great….but how will will this work with Windows Media Center/Xbox Live Media Center?

    Will we have one centralised Live EPG Guide?

  34. Jack says:

    This is really exciting! I'd been hoping beyond hope that a feature like this would come to life, and here it is! The Windows Live support in the Developer's Preview could have been better, but that's understandable, and I'm sure you all are working hard to improve it.

    Now, how can a 14 year old save the money needed to purchase Windows 8…?

  35. @Jack says:

    Where is your daddy? Oh I am sorry 🙁

  36. Emi says:

    really nice! ive been tested it. the only think that didn-t sync was when i copied and pasted the old favorites rom win7 to win8. but when i created them in Win dev preview and i reinstalled to see it it synched my favorites it worked.

    but it worked fine for everything else! i only wonder if you will add more sync stuff!

    good work Steven <3

    i love new start menu/screen, i hacked Uxtheme.dll, to customize it and love it even more lol

    i love all these new features.

  37. Mermin says:

    I have qualms about syncing my entire pc state with only usename/password for authentication. Please give us paranoid ones two or three factor authentication options. Google has a good start with their two-factor authentication; let's see Microsoft one-up them. That would make my day.

  38. I love that you have made some form of a roaming profile available (and I think it will be great for most users).  I have a few things I would love to see in the final build.

    -You said the original desktop background selected will be synced if it is less than 2MB. I have a slide show background. All total the images are just under 2MB. Will all of the images be synced or just the first one? Since you set aside 2MB for a background, could you update the feature to sync the first 2MB worth?

    -I would love this to also include Office settings so I don't have to install Mesh on a computer just to have my dictionary synced (like at a friend's house).

    -I know why you are not having this serve as a full roaming profile; my roaming directory is just over 2GB and you shouldn't have to give that much space away for free.  I would like to see a setting (or a new Mesh option) to allow me to use skydrive space (I'll buy more if needed) and Mesh to have full roaming profiles without Active Directory.

  39. Very cool idea.  I cannot wait for Windows 8.

  40. @SCOOBY_666UK @NEHEMIAH @Nicole @Alireza Noori @John @Jayayess1190 @Dany Rodier @Bastian92 @Simon Tremblay

    You can determine how the feature behaves for your scenarios by trying it out — just install a 64 bit build and enable hyperv, then create any number of VMs and you can watch features sync across (or just install two vms using your perferred VM solution).

  41. mt327000 says:

    Mr. Sinofsky:

    While you are looking at the blog, could you PLEASE give an update on the Windows 8 UI situation? This is the most critical issue, and nothing else the team has done will matter if this UI doesn't work out. Will Metro be optional on desktops or run like an app launched from the Start Menu? If the answer is no, please reconsider.

  42. @Steven Sinofsky: I've got the Developer Preview on two machines and it works really well for the various scenarios mentioned in the above posts.

    What I can't currently test is, how well this would work with Windows Media Center/Xbox Live Media Center (specifically, the Live EPG Guide) 🙁

    One centralised guide would be the ultimate solution for Media Center user 🙂

  43. Can we expect a better integration of Live Messenger into Windows 8? For instance, a subtler way to chat? At least, in Vista, one had the choice to make Live Messenger and Live Mail windows invisible when they were minimized. Since Windows 7, those programs are always visible as long as they are open. That is really annoying (2 more windows in an already full list of open windows).

    And please don't miss this huge opportunity to give us a strong built-in password manager, which would keep record not only of those passwords used in a browser but also of local passwords and would not only suggest them but have the option to automatically log in. Such a built-in password manager would be a great asset when integrated with those Live sync functionalities you just presented.

  44. this will definitely be one of the most heralded features of Windows 8. as good as this post is, it only scratches the surface of how Windows Live has been integrated into Windows 8. the ability to access personal files from the cloud the same way you access your local files will be huge.

  45. What happens to my settings if I upgrade from Windows 7? Are they also synced to the cloud if I provide a Live ID, or does it only work for fresh installs? If so, how do you intend to handle conflicts?

  46. @Jayayess1190

    If your MediaCenter PC is sleeping, then you are still logged in when the PC wakes, but the UI will be locked.  So your recording will still happen.  When you go to watch you will need to unlock the PC with your LiveID password.  This will be a personal scenario for me so I’m looking out for you :).

    @Nicole, @Nehemiah

    Yes, you can log-in without immediate network access, just like you can login without ActiveDirectory access on a domain joined PC.

    @Jack

    Something tells me if you are reading this blog, earning the money is not going to be a problem :).

    @Mermin

    Try it out and see if the confirmation via alternate ID process works for you.

  47. Thanks for another interesting post!

    Just a thought to keep in mind…..

    In make it simple. Most of the time when we choose passwords for login in our computers I believe many of us using easy combinations like words, numbers & names etc which easy to remember.

    If consider how easy it is to hack passwords online many of us have also learned to protecting the accounts with stronger credentials based on the risk and some of us even using password-generators for do this job, and for remember we then using password managers, anyhow that's how I been taught to do.

    By now this means we will probably get more Live accounts online with easy predictable passwords?

    If there is something I wish complain about in Microsoft's innovations on behalf for peoples personal security that must be Login Live ID on Windows 8 and I must say I'm against it because of the risk by using easy passwords.

    It's only this by using written passwords, not the other ideas in recognition with pictures which seems more safe.

    Thanks for reading

  48. Stephen says:

    If MS want us to use our Live id for more and more things, they really need to give us the ability to change the email address of our Live ID. Mines a hotmail account I haven't used for a long long time. And how embarrassing is it to write @hotmail.com 😀

  49. @Jon DeVaan [Microsoft] – Thats great….so Windows/Xbox Media Center will also include cloud services 🙂  Can't wait to try the beta out

  50. Stefan says:

    Only with Windows Live ID ? Not Yahoo ? Not Google ? and so on ?

    What if a hacker get the login ? Is this really smart ? Hackers will love this.

  51. ? says:

    @Stephen and @Stefan, read the post.

  52. sreesiv says:

    All of this is turning out to be much more complicated than ever before. But I guess the security landscape has also changed, so cannot be so critical about all those different options to login, the secondary security options and so on…

    The user experience is simple, should remain simple, that is the key point. Even in a predicament, where the security has been compromised, the user should feel at ease, comfortable and confident about the steps that they need to follow to get it remedied.

  53. sreesiv says:

    All of this is turning out to be much more complicated than ever before. But I guess the security landscape has also changed, so cannot be so critical about all those different options to login, the secondary security options and so on…

    The user experience is simple, should remain simple, that is the key point. Even in a predicament, where the security has been compromised, the user should feel at ease, comfortable and confident about the steps that they need to follow to get it remedied.

  54. GregH says:

    I am currently enjoying using Dynamics CRM Online which uses Windows Live ID and plugs into Outlook, it really has improved access having data across workstations/devices in the cloud, I think these features are really going to shine for Windows 8, thanks for all your hard work.

  55. DanglingPointer says:

    My account, my settings, my apps, my style, my way, my moment… aaaaall this -> on the Go, via Windows Live !!

    People, this is a tremendous example of ubiquitous computing at a massive scale.

    Thank you Microsoft for making windows so pervasive…

    MS implies brilliance m/ – m/

    +1 @"trolls should be punished and forced to use some G-OS for the rest of their sorry lives"..

  56. Steve says:

    Paid snitches swamp comments once again.

  57. Mitch says:

    @Steve, you are a troll.. just saying

  58. prthrokz says:

    Cool feature!! Does this also apply to updates/patches applied on Metro-style applications to persist across all machines??

  59. i mean says:

    Wow, thats a kool stuff. Would be great if those settings are seamlessly roamed to Windows 7 and Xbox as well.

  60. Haris Dickson says:

    @prthrokz, @i mean, as long as your devices are connected via cloud, these settings can be teleported to any machine of any form.

    Nice job Microsoft. Please tell me if it’s possible to use multiple IDs (like we have multiple user accounts in Windows)?

    Since Windows live does not apply the restriction like one-user-one-account. For each user account In Windows 8, would we be able to change the liveID association at the later stage? What will happen to the settings, would they be migrated between the accounts within the cloud or would it be re-syncd via my machine? Like I have 2 accounts on Windows Live. After few months, for some reason, I wana use my other account to replace the current one for roaming.

    Please cure my curiosity 🙂

  61. Kris says:

    This is a nice feature for home usage, But as an IT pro I have a bit experience with roaming profiles and the experience isn't always great and can seriously slow down logons and causing profile corruption. Did you consider this and made improvements over traditional roaming in order not to affect logon? Another question I've is about the corporate scenario: You say admins are in control, which is great but what if a company wants to use this kind of feature but keep the data on site. Are you thinking about this? It would be a great if you could set up a similar mechanism with sharepoint (or office 365) using my sites and maybe also allowing redirection of folders towards mysite? I do think that this solution would be great for many smaller companies but for the larger enterprises I believe they'll more likely to keep data on their private cloud and so I hope to see some improvements for that as well. Thanks, Kris

  62. So, desktop apps are second class citizens in Windows 8? Why can't we sync their settings?

    Ok, probably because you can't reliability determine which files and registry keys you have to sync.

    Just add them to the AppX file!

    <LegacyAppData SyncPolicy="OnlyWhenNotRunning">

       <Folder Path="%AppData%ContosoAppName" Exclude="*.cache" />

       <Registry Key="HKCUSoftwareContosoAppName" />

    </LegacyAppData>

    Please Microsoft… do this, not every desktop user will be using Metro as main interface.

  63. Octagon says:

    As usual with Microsoft, good idea and poor implementation. In order to log in with Windows Live ID, I have to enter the password. Since Windows Live ID is exposed to everybody in the Net, the ID password needs to be strong. Since my PC is physically protected, the login password does not need to be strong, in the opposite, it needs to be week for convenience.

    Your implementation created a contradiction and that contradiction created annoyance.

    The right solution is to associate ANY account with Live ID, so that I can log in with the PIN and still have the synchronized roaming profile.

    Offtopic: this blog engine does not work with Opera.

  64. @antiufo says:

    Even I can easily develop an app to sync settings of my desktop app to and from the cloud in Windows 7! This is certainly not confined to Metro apps, but the approach is little different.. like you don't have live-tiles in desktop interface.. otherwise if the user initiate the app, anything can be pulled from cloud… like Windows Live Photo Gallery and other MS and third party products do…

  65. Billy says:

    @Tuwogaka, I guess you need to watch (again) the keynotes or try using Windows 8 to get rid off any ambiguities. You can certainly have a pictures password or local account and associate Live account with it. So it would work as a SSO on windows 8. Thus far, the only poor thing I have seen in Windows 8 is that it’s not RTM yet! 😎

  66. Windows 8 Enthusiast says:

    @Steven What happens when Internet connection is down for some reason. Can i still login offline on my PC???

  67. @Steven Sinofsky

    In all honesty dude, you are not allowed to say that I am in "control" of my pc while you are forcing full-screen stuff for the visually impaired down my throat on my big monitors on my desktop.

    I love everything you have done in windows 8.  But you are ruining it all by deleting the start menu.

    It's VERY EASY to fix: restore the start menu and replace the "shut down" button with a button "metro" to go back to the start screen.

    Do that and windows 8 will be a MONSTER hit.

    Don't do that and EVERYBODY that doesn't own/buy a tablet will stick to windows 7.  Personally, if I buy a new pc and it ships with 8 (with a crippled desktop), then the first thing I'll do is format and install windows 7.

    All your blog posts are certainly awesome, but none of these are addressing the ONLY concern users have at the moment.

    How the hell am I supposed to sell this to my customers?

  68. LeoStorm85 says:

    Keep Metro UI and traditional desktop separated and you will have the best OS on the market. What do you think to do with Server edition, I guess you will exclude Metro UI from it, so why don't let the user choose also on desktop editions. As a researcher in computer science I really need a traditional desktop.

  69. @Aroush says:

    Start using Windows 8 for 2-3 days constantly, and you will start loving metro and easily feel comfy with it.. If you don't believe it now, you just remember it and recall it when win8 goes GA and you will see everyone including you, your customer and an average Joe, all using Windows 8 Metro..

    Btw, windows 8 is not for haters/trolls whatever!

  70. Dude, I take offense at your assumptions that I'm just trolling or complaining without trying it out.

    I downloaded win8 preview 1 hour after it was posted online and wrote 3 metro applications since then.

    I stand by my statement.

    Metro mixed into the desktop cripples my desktop and breaks my workflow.

    There is no pointe whatsoever in having full screen applications with 40pt fonts and enormous buttons on a desktop with 2 28" monitors.

    I didn't buy two big monitors to only see one application at a time.

    Metro is great for small touchscreens.  It's completely worthless on big non-touch desktops.

    People who don't realise this are quite frankly people who don't do serious work on their pc.

    I'm at work now.  As I'm typing this I have 7 applications open of which 4 are permanently active. Not because I like it that way, but because I NEED it that way.

    When I hit the windows button on a win8, my ENTIRE monitor is covered with a bunch of tiles that are totally irrelavent to what I'm doing.  It's distracting, it breaks the workflow, it defeats the purpose of windowS, it breaks multi-tasking.

    It's stupid and it should be changed.

    No company in its right mind is going to think this is ok.

  71. pass1234? Really? lol! That's stronger than any I've ever used!

    Still lots of negative stuff ;-(  You should do an article "You can still use your mouse in applications!" and explain that you don't loose the use of the mouse completely – Some people still don't get that.

    One thing that would be cool though (from a security view) is if the on-screen keyboard could change for password fields to include special chars etc without shift.

    As it is, it's a pain in the ass to type a secure password at the moment. Hence 'pass1234'…!

    As for this video, one thing I've alwas wanted (but have been too scared to ask for) is that I only need to type my Live id once per session… Very, very, very cool!!!

    Can't wait for this to come out, I really can't!

  72. jack s. says:

    Yeah, it's a shame that blog entries explaining features that are indeed interesting are filled with comments with justified concerns about Metro on the desktop. I think it's a pretty good indication that it doesn't matter how good the rest of the operating system is, forcing Metro on us it's going to be a clear deal-breaker for many people, me included.

  73. @rculver9056:  It's not about being able to use the mouse to click enormous buttons.  It's about the enormous buttons.

  74. Great, but... says:

    I want that Windows 8 Backup will be able to do scheduled backups to SkyDrive when i am signed with Live ID. Also SkyDrive should be automatically mapped as network drive when i sig-in.

  75. RP says:

    1) When you say a PC has two user accounts, does that include situations where one account is an Administrator account, only used interactively in exceptional cases, where the other is an everyday user account?  

    2) Can't you speed up the time it takes for people to configure their PCs by having more sensible defaults (or at the very least a wider range of possibilities in the dropdowns to select from)?  Every time I get a new account I have to change "AM" and "PM" to "am" and "pm".  For English (United Kingdom), AM and PM are the only values in the dropdowns (so I have to enter mine manually rather than selecting values from the somewhat useless combos), even though "a.m." and "am" are more common usages.  

  76. Stepan says:

    I think it takes 10 minutes to manually sync the desktops. I've never had any problems with doing this.

    One may call me conservative, but this feature feels wrong. It seems like you want to trick everybody into giving their personal info. Well, it can be used for this and that's bothering me.

  77. An interesting feature. Creating a framework to also include desktop app settings would be even better, as the Metro/Non-Metro separation is once again painfully apparent, but interesting nonetheless.

  78. > Even I can easily develop an app to sync settings of my desktop app to and from the cloud in Windows 7

    I know it's technically easy, but there must be a standard way to do it (embedded in the AppX file, and integrated with the other settings), so Microsoft, please add desktop app settings synchronization to Windows 8.

    Pleaseee… we're not going to throw away thousands of desktop apps just because Metro is so cool.

    Make desktop app first class citizens in Windows 8.

    I would also like to see Windows Installer replaced by AppX, even for apps like Office, Visual Studio, SQL Server.

    MSI is one of the worst products Microsoft has ever created.

  79. I agree there should be a mechanism to include desktop applications syncing with the cloud.

    I think the obvious way here would be to add new API's through which desktop applications can save settings (which would allow these settings to be stored online).

    With visual studio for example, this would basicly simply mean to store the settings-file (= *.vssettings) in the cloud.  Visual Studio code should then be changed so that it automatically loads VS settings from the cloud upon booting the applications when logged in with a live ID.

    Seems pretty straight forward.

    But indeed, this only highlights even further how seperated both subsystems are.  And this only raises even more questions on the fact that metro is being pushed into desktop computing.

  80. Mike says:

    I really hope the account recovery bit is well thought out.  My eight-year-old son forgot his Live ID password recently and we were unable to recover the account.  We logged a call with the Live folk, but despite providing details of the emails that would be in his inbox, fact that it was part of a Live custom domain and family safety setup with my account as the "parent" I was unable to get them to reset the password.  In the end we had to reset the account and start again.  I don't fancy doing that if suddenly the account is holding so much more importance.

  81. Aroush is somewhat off-topic with his discussion about the start menu, but he makes a good point. There is something missing in the current way programs can be access to. The search command could be an alternative, but not as it works at present. Two major improvements are needed for the search window to become an effective replacement to the Windows 7 start menu.

    1) One must be able to get to the exhaustive list of apps in fewer steps (at the moment: Win + F, then click on the Apps button, then click on the search results window to activate this part of the window). There should be a one-click/one-button/one-touch access to a complete metro-stylish list of apps.

    2) The search window must appear as a pop up window (exactly like the settings window [Win + i]) rather than as a full screen window. One must be able to get to it without leaving the active window and also to make it interact with open windows (like pining up an app from the apps list to the taskbar). The apps list would then look a lot like the WP7 apps list: alphabetical, vertical-oriented, with a search bar and with fundamental buttons (like the Power button).

    The metro start page should more serve as a full screen taskbar than as an exhaustive start menu. One doesn't want to fill the start page with all installed apps, but one doesn't want to lose the old start menu completeness.

  82. herbyflo says:

    metro is the future of MS. If you don't like it you can chose mac os, linux or chrome os

  83. Tuxplorer says:

    @Aroush

    Metro is FAR FAR more efficient and productive than the old classic desktop model of doing things. The Metro Start Screen replaces the old Start Menu by providing much FASTER access to everything you need. Just start typing in the Metro Start Screen, and you get what you want. No need to even click anything.

    The Metro tiles are FAR FAR better than old tiny icons. The tiles are dynamic, and provide information at just a glance, instead of just sitting there doing nothing.

    Those who think that Metro apps are not as powerful as desktop apps are terribly wrong. So far, we've only seen sample apps which are really basic. But by the time Windows 8 is released, there will be plenty of powerful Metro apps like Office 15. In a couple of years, I think we'll see Metro styled Photoshop-like apps too. So, the classic desktop is dead. Metro is the future.

    However, I think for Windows 8 there will be an option for the Luddites to disable the Metro UI completely, and use the boring old classic desktop. But Metro is going to be the default UI — for desktops, laptops and tablets. And I'm totally ready to COMPLETELY ditch the classic desktop, simply because Metro is better — for large screen non-touch displays too.

  84. Rick C says:

    Steve,

    I have two windows live IDs, one @hotmail.com, the other @msn.com.  If I use one of them as my Windows logon, then I can't access the other email at all!  Any time I sign out of Hotmail, if I try to sign back in, it automatically chooses the same address.  I'm never given the opportunity to use the other one.  I could probably take care of that in Hotmail by attaching the two, but I don't really want to.

    There needs to be a way to tell an app NOT to assume which credentials you want.

  85. Francesco says:

    Very nice feature, but it would be awesome if it was Facebook instead of Windows Live. Just imagine it! Your account image will be your Facebook one, you will be able to share everything with just one tap from your browser or from apps and let your friends know what you love in a second. Imagine logging in in your apps and website using the power of Facebook. Well, having Facebook as login would be way better.

    PS: those are things you can already do, but in that way you'll do the same things in an easier and faster way.

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  87. kinokijuf says:

    Please do not force users to use Microsoft Passport (I still call it by old name). Here in Poland many computer users do not have any internets, and if they have one, it’s often not a broadband.

  88. Bastian92

    09-26-2011 10:03 PM

    What happend when i have no internet connection one time? Can i access my pc and when the internet connection is avaiable the data will be synced.

    _____________________

    I tested it and I can logon which my password even if I have no internet access. So MSFT cached the password in Windows 8

  89. davor says:

    you seem to be focused on all those charts and statistics, and keep forgetting to add some bacis functions, like changing the location (country) and also wtf is up with marketplace/zune availability? seriously, everyone else can do it, but not you?

  90. SamYeager says:

    @kinokijuf – "Please do not force users to use Microsoft Passport (I still call it by old name). "

    This is *optional*. That means you do never have to use it. In other words users are NOT being forced to use it.

  91. xpclient says:

    As I understand the synchronization of settings and personal data is available only for Metro style apps right and not for regular Win32 apps unless they use a domain with roaming user profiles? Can I for example resume a level in a Win32 game or open a PDF or Word document or ebook on the same page where I left off across PCs?

    Also, please allow logging in to a hidden user account (one which is only hidden from the Welcome screen) by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del twice so it switches to the Classic logon prompt (empty user name and password) like it is already possible for domain-joined PCs. (Enable the scenario for workgroup PCs too)

  92. Forgus says:

    This blog engine is a shame. Don't count any better from the OS

  93. pleasedonotdeletemypostthistime says:

    I wish you would make an xp theme. I had the animated opening and closing and translucent borders and the classic theme is garbage. I and millions of other just want it to look like xp. I am not price sensative. Please listen.

  94. lesle says:

    @Tony Mangefeste "the <WIN> logo key will become the standard way to get into the Boot Manager settings (the old F8 method)."  I like Microsoft, OS & Office, but I also LIKE my Unicomp (IBM) keyboard, which does not have 'the <WIN> logo key'.  Please give us an alternative way to get into the Boot Manager, maybe retaining the F8 key.  Thanks.

  95. @Alireza

    Bandwidth:

    We have designed the sync feature to be as efficient as possible.  We only sync when something has changed, and then only sync the setting that has changed.  In the end, the user has control by choosing what is being synced and whether they want settings to sync on metered networks (e.g. 3G).  

    Scheduled Sync:

    Scheduled sync is not available to end users.  We do our best to get your settings in the cloud as quick as we can while still keeping bandwidth down and user experience is great.    

    Cannot restore previous settings:  

    Sync does not give the user the ability to restore previous settings.  

    Thanks for the feedback.

  96. Meitzi says:

    I did have meitzi@live.com but it was removed 🙁

    (ok.. I was just A LITTLE hack to get it..)

  97. I-Disappear says:

    Here I go now -> Metro is pretty cool stuff. Lot of folks are gonna used to it in Desktop, Laptops and the Tablet PCs in a while. But from the usability POV, it would be more convenient, if we have option to turn toggle between Metro-first and Desktop-first choices. If its Desktop first, then start menu should be appeared, when windowKey is pressed and Metro environment acts like an app (avenue to other metro apps).. the reciprocal is already there. 😎

    Just as soon as i belong, then it's the time I disappear………… Metallica loves Windows8 😉

  98. Metallica says:

    M for Microsoft, Metallica & Nothing-Else-Matters !!

    100 up.. 🙂

  99. NEHEMIAH says:

    @Steven Sinofsky & Jon DeVaan [Microsoft] Thanks so much about the clarifications they helped.

  100. Kevin says:

    @ Steven Sinofsky or Anyone who will listen to me 🙂

    I love the fact that Windows live will integrate with Windows 8, but I wondered about the web version of Windows Live, particularly the calendar.  Are there plans to make the colors for calendars brighter, or colors more enhanced?  The colors as they are now are almost pastel or faded in color.  I love all the Windows Live services, esp. Calendar, and my ultra favorite Windows Live Mesh and SkyDrive.  Just a small request really and I know that Windows 8 is the next big thing, but I wondered if Live web was getting an upgrade.

    Many thanks to anyone who may see this.

  101. wr says:

    @Aroush, i'm some what on your side. I haven't tried dev preview myself as i can't run it in my virtual box or on Xen and i don't have spare machine, but from what i've seen (Keynote is a good example), they are trying to perceive everyone that jumping from desktop to start screen and back is very productive and "will grow on you". Yes, i need my desktop to do my job (with plenty of applications in the taskbar, windows tiling next to each other, etc.) Can't see our project managers (mainly office apps and a few web services) doing this and mostly sure my boss will forbid to enable Metro for them. They don't need another learning curve which won't give any feasible benefits, so why bother them? But it feels that this won't change and there won't be any easy switch without losing some of the functionality. We will probably buy new PCs with Win8 and downgrade to Win7 and they will count it as Win8 sales and then release statistics about thrilling Win8 sales numbers. Yeah, we've bought around 100 Win7 PCs in recent years and all of them were downgraded to Vista (we have reasons). Count that.

    On the topic. Auto joining to mail and other services doesn't sound so thrilling to me either. I wish there could be a setting to select which settings should auto-sign (this should probably eliminate the problem with dual Live ID's on the same account, why should i register another account to let someone check their inbox in my IE?). In real life you sometimes lend your PC to browse for something or do some quick stuff and you will have to sign out everywhere to be sure they won't see something they shouldn't.

    On the domain part i too hope that Live ID syncing will be disabled for domain accounts by default.

  102. AndyCadley says:

    I'm curious about the WWAN comment. Most home users, in my experience, are using wireless networking with laptops at home these days and the comment would seem to indicate that they would therefore not get synced by default. This seems odd to me, given that most people also won't know how to go in and change the settings to enable this. Shouldn't syncing happen regardless if I'm on my "home" network, even if that happens to be a wireless network?

  103. GregH says:

    @Kevin – they are re-writing the Windows Live Services as Metro Apps including the calendar – as shown in the keynote channel9.msdn.com/…/KEY-0001

  104. @Dany Rodier

    In Windows 8 we are working on a Metro style Messaging application that will offer lightweight, modern way to IM.  We showed a peek of this at //BUILD and will have more to say on this later.

    In Windows 7 we updated Messenger's 'minimize' behavior to make it compliant with the revised Windows 7 guidelines by minimizing to the taskbar, instead of to the system tray / clock region.  Windows 7 specifies that running applications and launchers must be in the taskbar, not the system tray, which in Windows 7 is less prominent compared to Vista and previous versions of Windows.  This also allows Messenger to take advantage of new Windows 7 functionality like  live previews with command buttons for Online / Busy / Away.  

    Overall this change has been well received, especially by heavy IM users.  However if you want the old behavior you can run Messenger in "Vista Mode" and it will minimize back to the system tray.  To do this, find Messenger in your Start Menu, right-click Properties, go to Compatibility, and enable "Run this program in compatibility mode" with "Windows Vista" selected.

    @Kevin

    Thank you for the feedback RE wanting more vibrant Calendar colors in Windows, and on Live.com.  We will take this under advisement.

  105. Thank you all for your comments and feedback.

    @Swotboy2000

    No, we do not inherit your Windows 7 settings. Syncing works with Windows 8 settings only.

    In regards to conflicts, the last writer wins.

    @prthrokz

    No, this would not apply to updates/patches for Metro style apps. You would still need to install those on each PC.

    @xpclient

    That is correct, roaming state is only available with Metro style applications.

    @AndyCadley

    Roaming on your Wifi (WLAN) network at home or elsewhere is turned on by default and will work automatically.  When we talk about WWAN, we are referring to cellular technologies (e.g. 3G).  We didn’t want to turn that on by default since this is normally usage-based and we didn’t want to use some of a user’s cap without consent.  It is however very easy to turn roaming on for 3G and other metered networks in Control Panel.

  106. @Katie Frigon

    This is an impressive feature, one that Windows has needed for a long time. It will be nice when users can finally sit down in front of a completely foreign computer and use it like their computer at home or at work. My only complaint is that this feature seems tied to Metro. Many users (including me) do not like Metro and are just waiting for Microsoft to add the option to make it optional. I, for one, would like to see the option to make Metro a windowed program (with a fixed size) made available before Windows is even finished installing. That way, I could use the Desktop with the Start menu just like I always have, and only use Metro when I need to use a Metro-style app. This "disable Metro" option could even be linked to the Live ID setup presented here. Is there any chance of this happening?

  107. abm says:

    @Piero Sierra,

    A little off-topic, but it would be great if we have an option to synchronize the favorite or bookmarked sites and folders (categories) between SkyDrive and IE (for Windows 7 and older versions), so my favorites are always accessible wherever I go, via IE built-in support and Bing bar (if using some other browser or platform). Also provide a simple web-based CRUD app, perhaps using MVC, with categories and search –a webapp for that service– to manage, organize and synchronize these entries with IE (natively) or BingBar.

    OAN, please enable the ability to copy or move files from/to root of SkyDrive(web) http://skydrive.live.com. If I can copy/move a file or folder from Folder A to Folder B, why can't I move a file to/from root folder to any folder!

    Thank you for listening to our comments : )

  108. maran says:

    @Sylvain

    "Microsoft should let the user choose the ID and synchronization stuff provider…"

    Yeah right. Should you require french fries with your order sir?

  109. Rebecca says:

    @@mt327000, Either accept Metro or stick to Windows 7. Windows 7 is capable of doing what you are fancying. Windows 8 has new approach towards application usage. Many people like this new idea and having both worlds side by side, hence making the transition smooth for the later versions of Windows. So legacy (old school) folks can fathom the transition. Not like other vendors who really don't care about legacy users and bluntly change everything and force you to accept it. Windows, however, is justifying it by facilitating desktop apps and metro apps both. And I hope to see the integration of desktop app with metro style app to extend this transition at app level.

  110. @Rebecca

    There is one problem with this "accept Metro or stick to Windows 7" approach. What happens when new programs (NOT Metro apps) become incompatible with Windows 7?

    As for the "new approach towards application usage," it may be "new," but this doesn't mean that it's good. Metro has many inherent flaws that will need to be corrected, and correcting these flaws goes beyond simply adding a Metro taskbar or letting users close programs.

    As for having the two user interfaces side by side, this makes Windows 8 feel like using two separate computers. You don't really think that Metro apps will replace all desktop apps, do you? Will Windows 11 be desigend in Metro apps? I think the answer is "no."

    One more thing: when did the desktop become "legacy?" The desktop is not just a backward-compatibility interface for running older programs. Do you really think that the desktop will be gone ten years from now? Do you really think we need an enhanced cell phone interface powering our computers? If you do, I wonder what you do on your computer that makes Metro look so good. In my experience, I spend almost all my time in the desktop, and never really have any reason to open a Metro app other than when I want to see what the app is like. As for other non-app elements of Metro, these are not designed for mice and keyboards, and despite Microsoft's attempts to make it work, there is still the inherent issue in that Metro is not designed for PC's.

  111. @Rebecca

    There is one problem with this "accept Metro or stick to Windows 7" approach. What happens when new programs (NOT Metro apps) become incompatible with Windows 7?

    As for the "new approach towards application usage," it may be "new," but this doesn't mean that it's good. Metro has many inherent flaws that will need to be corrected, and correcting these flaws goes beyond simply adding a Metro taskbar or letting users close programs.

    As for having the two user interfaces side by side, this makes Windows 8 feel like using two separate computers. You don't really think that Metro apps will replace all desktop apps, do you? Will Windows 11 be desigend in Metro apps? I think the answer is "no."

    One more thing: when did the desktop become "legacy?" The desktop is not just a backward-compatibility interface for running older programs. Do you really think that the desktop will be gone ten years from now? Do you really think we need an enhanced cell phone interface powering our computers? If you do, I wonder what you do on your computer that makes Metro look so good. In my experience, I spend almost all my time in the desktop, and never really have any reason to open a Metro app other than when I want to see what the app is like. As for other non-app elements of Metro, these are not designed for mice and keyboards, and despite Microsoft's attempts to make it work, there is still the inherent issue in that Metro is not designed for PC's.

  112. Rebecca says:

    @mt327000, I don't see a problem there. If metro is gonna fail. No one from industry is going to develop for Metro UX. Also, software engineering has reached the level where you can work in such a modular approach that you don't need to replicate it for multiple environments. And it doesn't hurt the developers, since the toolkits are also evolving accordingly to the satisfactory level. But if it's just a matter of choice and you don't like it personally, my advice; stick to Windows 7.

  113. mt327000 says:

    If you want me to, I can make a detailed list of every issue I have with Metro. This is not senseless complaining, but sound advice and a description of real usability problems in Windows 8. As for sticking with Windows 7, I probably will if the final version of Windows 8 functions like the Developer Preview.

  114. mt327000 says:

    I'm not sure this post applies here. This person's experience with the Developer Preview is based on the Samsung preview tablet. My experience is based on using it on a desktop PC, with a discrete computer, mouse, keyboard, monitor, and speakers. This is a huge difference.

    My main problem with Metro is that it is more of a reversal in the Tablet vs. PC formula than an upgrade. Instead of having a PC interface on tablets, we get a tablet interface on the PC. Metro was designed for tablets, not PC's, and no amount of minor adjustments or marketing will change this fact.

    Metro has many issues in usability, even though I know how to use it. I do not benefit from having "chromeless" programs on my computer and right-clicking every time I want to display the UI. As for the Start Screen, it is interesting, but too fragmented compared to the Start Menu. Even when I know where everything is and how it works, the entire platform seems fundamentally flawed. People don't want to change how they use PC's. Tablets and desktops are fundamentally different. Yes, the Metro Tablet UI has a place on desktops, but it is not the default interface. Microsoft learned that you can't just take a UI designed for one input method and convert it to work with another with Windows XP Tablet PC edition and Windows 7 tablets. The worst part is that they seem to be repeating their mistake by converting a tablet UI to work on PC's, but this affects far more users than the tablet blunder did. Yes, I can use Metro, but it generally gets in the way. Window layout is defintely a better solution.

    When designing Windows, the team should always ask "How would we do this if we designed from the ground up assuming tablets didn't exist?"

  115. mt327000 says:

    I'm not sure this post applies here. This person's experience with the Developer Preview is based on the Samsung preview tablet. My experience is based on using it on a desktop PC, with a discrete computer, mouse, keyboard, monitor, and speakers. This is a huge difference.

    My main problem with Metro is that it is more of a reversal in the Tablet vs. PC formula than an upgrade. Instead of having a PC interface on tablets, we get a tablet interface on the PC. Metro was designed for tablets, not PC's, and no amount of minor adjustments or marketing will change this fact.

    Metro has many issues in usability, even though I know how to use it. I do not benefit from having "chromeless" programs on my computer and right-clicking every time I want to display the UI. As for the Start Screen, it is interesting, but too fragmented compared to the Start Menu. Even when I know where everything is and how it works, the entire platform seems fundamentally flawed. People don't want to change how they use PC's. Tablets and desktops are fundamentally different. Yes, the Metro Tablet UI has a place on desktops, but it is not the default interface. Microsoft learned that you can't just take a UI designed for one input method and convert it to work with another with Windows XP Tablet PC edition and Windows 7 tablets. The worst part is that they seem to be repeating their mistake by converting a tablet UI to work on PC's, but this affects far more users than the tablet blunder did. Yes, I can use Metro, but it generally gets in the way. Window layout is defintely a better solution.

    When designing Windows, the team should always ask "How would we do this if we designed from the ground up assuming tablets didn't exist?"

  116. mt327000 says:

    Oops! I accidentally submitted my comment twice. I assure you, this was a mistake, not an attempt to make my post more readable.

    As for the comments above, I hope I haven't offended anyone. I am the type of person who usually says what I think, but if I said too much, went too far off-topic, or sounded rude, I apologize.

  117. mt327000 says:

    By the way, I read the author's comments about using the desktop on the preview tablet.

    "Working in the classic desktop using the //build/ machine is clearly a compatibility play. It works, It does what it’s supposed to do, which is to ensure your existing software investment works on tablet, but it does feel second-class. It’s not the same experience. The performance feels wrong. The crispness is missing. The ease of use is missing."

    On desktops, it's the other way around. It is Metro this is "clearly a compatiblity play." It is Metro where "The performance feels wrong. The crispiness is missing. The ease of use is missing."

    This is my main problem with Windows 8, and the reason why I think that Metro should be secondary to the desktop on desktop PC's.

  118. wait a minute? is something like that was in  Apple, with their Apple ID? Wow – so what it's gonna be? Microsoft OS 8? Why are you doing this things with windows OS? What for? Do you wanna use mac os x with os windows logo or something like that?

    I'm not talking about these identifiers in the ubuntu one

    you should not copy others' ideas!

    farther into the forest the more firewood, and the more I learn about the new version of windows, the more I like the windows 7

    I'm beginning to fear that, with windows 8 will happen something similar to Vista.

  119. mt327000 says:

    For anyone who is confused, the "I read the author's comments" comment is a quote from the author of the post Harry Steinhilber linked to, followed by my own reaction to the quote. Everything outside the quote contains my own ideas, not those of the post author.

  120. mt327000 says:

    For anyone who is confused, the "I read the author's comments" comment is a quote from the author of the post Harry Steinhilber linked to, followed by my own reaction to the quote. Everything outside the quote contains my own ideas, not those of the post author.

  121. mt327000 says:

    Does pressing the Refresh button resubmit the comment without asking for my permission? Even when I've tried to avoid this, there are still problems. This is the third time now that I've accidentally posted duplicate comments on this site. Is there any way to remove the duplicates? They interfere with the flow of comments and make it harder to read everything.

  122. Artiantil says:

    I don't see this as at all useful. Settings aren't difficult to put onto a new PC. The difficulty comes in when you need to move files and install programs. This can port Metro programs, but Metro programs are utterly useless. If I wanted to use a OS that locks apps to the Market, I'd buy a PoS iPhone. It's MY computer, let me side-load apps however I want. Android can do it, I'm sure you can do it too. Also, I do NOT want to be synced to Live services whatsoever. My Hotmail serves as my spam address for anyone I don't trust not to redistribute my email address. C:

    So, along with most things with Windows 8 thus far, another useless feature!

  123. @mt327000 please do make a list of suggestions, just make the list on a post that is related to the topic you are providing feedback on.

  124. herbyflo says:

    @mt327000 you have a choice  mac os lion or chrome os.Metro is the future , it's moderne and fresh

  125. @Tuxplorer:

    All the "benefits" you mentioned really only apply to metro applications.  Which is fine.  But none of it applies to the desktop.  I could type and hit "enter" to do anything I wanted without that search function covering up my entire screen in win7.

    Dynamic tiles only exist for metro applications, not desktop.

    And if you think that the desktop is "dead", then you are beyond delusional.

    If you REALLY think that 1.3 screens allows for better multi-tasking then the 4 applications I have on my screen now is "the future", you are delusional.

    Applications like photoshop that expose a gazillion commands would be severely crippled in metro style due to the big fonts, big buttons and the room that is needed between them (a finger is many times the size of a mouse pointer).  Never gonna happen.  Just like I guarantee you that we will never see a fully featured metro office.  We will see a dumbed down one.

    Take of your blinders and realise that people who WORK with a pc don't care about the flashy interface or angry birds.  They care about usability, multi-tasking, efficiency, workflow,…

    All of which is crippled in the desktop present in the win8 DP.

    @Sinofsky:

    You ask mt327000 to post in the appropriate thread.  I'ld do the same, but the problem is that a post on this topic doesn't exist.  I'ld be most interested in reading one.  Everywhere I talk about this, I'm met with deafening silence from microsoft.    I'm not really sure what else I can do to get some comments on my concerns.

    For the record: I LOVE windows 8 and the work you did with WinRT and metro.  The only problem is that freaking start button.  It makes no sense.  Just put the start menu back in and replace the shut-down button with a Metro button to return to the start screen (and for consistency: only put metro tiles on the metro screen including one to go to the desktop).

    You said during the keynote that 'one can spend all his time in metro'.

    To use mt327000's words from the win8 forum: "can I also spend all my time on the desktop?"

    Think about it.  Better yet, do a post about it.

  126. These  features work quite well for a software that has not reached Beta stage yet.

    Performance is more than satifying – As for Windows Live ID integration – it works smoothly with minimum user input.

    Now I'm wondering – Can we expect major changes between now and the final version in terms of functionality?

    Actually Windows Live integration seems fairly similar to iCloud.

    I'm not that confident in storing to much information on a server though but that's my opinion.

    By the way – does Microsoft collect data usage metrics on developer preview?

  127. Pantou says:

    I think it is good to give my opinion on the topics covered by @.Aroush and @mt327000(Troll !!?) .. .and maybe more …

    First, I congratulate the whole team and Microsoft for this very thorough work inovation. I also think it is good to personally congratulate Steve Sinofsky.  As long as this man has a case at Microsoft, the company has a good future ..

    I like the direction and philosophy of Windows 8 … This means automatically that I include the Metro style in this philosophy.

    Before making a small criticism, I would like to give  positve aspects that will make windows 8 to unbeatable.

    _ The first thing is the great innovative work and the new philosophy of Microsoft .. ("Windows overall")

    _ The power of the Desktop.

    _ The User experience.

    I applaud Microsoft for not having a separate interface between Metro and Desktop interface because this would have given the impression of having two OS.

    I am aware that it is an honor for me to make criticisms.

    Here is my contribution to the improvement of Windows 8.

    _Just Put the start menu (Desktop menu) back and replace the shut-down button with a button Metro to Return to the home screen.(you call also call it "Home"or "Home screen")

    _ Dont call this button -The One for the  Desktop –  "start" goal call it "Desktop" .

    _ The scrollbar Button in the Home screen ist horrible(I have to say it too), but i thing that shouldn´t be a raison to judge The Metro experience in Desktop. I Thing , The Hand_maus could be much better. (FULL STOP!!! DONE)

  128. Pratyush Nalam says:

    I have a question. Can we also use a Gmail or Yahoo! account to sign in?

  129. Pratyush Nalam says:

    A suggestion – hope you consider this.

    Can you release this feature for Windows 7 also? Possibly in a new Service Pack for something. It would be great for 7 users as well!!

    Windows Rocks!!

  130. LeoStorm85 says:

    @kritope1. Great suggestions to solve the desktop "issue". I completely agree: old start menu has to be available from the desktop.

    As an additional consideration it would be good to have the possibility of closing Metro style apps without killing them from task manager.

  131. Ruben Galvão says:

    I got a question for Steven Sinofsky.

    Windows 8 will have native support for Blu-ray?

    Sorry for my bad english (If it is wrong of course)

  132. Tampopo says:

    Great, all your personal info online to governments only with simple legal inquiry petition. The personal data of millions of users hosted in US based datacenters to USA authorities.

  133. @kritope1, @mt327000, @Aroush, @Sinofsky, and many more.

    "A picture is worth a thousand words"

    This is my W7 desktop right now (without the metro tiles, of course):

    http://www.moquo.com.ar/…/muestradesktopotra3.jpg

    I think this sceenshot shows crearly a better idea of having a "real functional and aesthetic desktop".

    I use Rainmeter (for Notes and titles -escritorio, accesos rápidos, and more) and Fences Pro (to organize shortcuts and files automatically in rows).

    I guess this is better than having "2 stages" to make things. At least in desktop PCs.

  134. Pantou says:

    @LeoStorm85…

    There is no need to close Metro-Style apps..

    @LudoMatico…

    Your screen shot is not bettet than windows 8 startscreen…

    For me, your screen shot is horrible…

    Windows 8 homescreen is the perfection..Its look claen and just beautiful

  135. Thanks! This will prove to be a great feature!

  136. CapoxD says:

    So far so good windows 8 team. I tried it and it works perfect.

    @mt327000 stop complaining on every post about the metro ui. As Steven said get your suggestions ready and post them on the correct topic (as Aroush "noticed" there is no post yet with that specific feature, so you will just have to wait for it.)

    @ludomatico please stop with the links and with your "a picture is worth a thousand…" blablabla on every post. The same applies to you wait for the right topic to "give" your concepts, to be honest I have seen all of them and I dont really like them. Right now WDP is great with the Start Screen and if I dont want to use it I'll just "open"  the desktop and all is good.

    WDP works really great on a laptop with no touchscreen!

    Congratulations W8 Team!!!!

    Can't wait for the beta to arrive.

  137. mt327000 says:

    @Steven Sinofsky, kritope1, etc.

    I am not "trolling". The term, as I have seen it used, usually refers to spamming forums with senseless complaining, use of capital letters, and a malicious intent. This was not what I intended to happen from my posts. I just wanted to point out what I didn't like about the product, andt he fact that these issues have yet to be addressed, and I wanted to post them where Microsoft could see them. Do you know what it is like to be accused of this when you didn't intend any harm? It's not much fun.

    I apologize for my comments, if I posted too much that was off-topic.

    Congratulations to the Windows team on a great job done so far. I am looking forward to seeing the final product.

    As for the comments that are exact duplicates, I did not mean to post them. Is there any chance that they could be deleted?

    The idea isn't that I'm complaining on every post about the UI, it's that I mention it where I can because that's where people will notice it. As for the longer comments, they are a response to the "Metro is the greatest thing ever, so like it or else!" comments that usually come in response. I am not trying to be rude. If I offended anyone, I apologize, and you may feel free to delete my comments.

    I admit that I posted too much, and I am sorry. This was an act of desparation, as I really want to be able to disable Metro in the final build. No one has answered my questions, and some of the responses I've gotten seem rude. I felt that I had to respond. Again, feel free to delete my comments, and please delete the duplicates.

  138. @Stephen –

    You mentioned that you wanted to be able to change the email address associated with your live ID. For non-Hotmail accounts that are associated with Live ID, you can do this today. We've definitely heard requests to allow Hotmail accounts to be changed as well and this is definitely on our list. Stay tuned.

    Thanks,

    Eric Doerr (Group Program Manager, Live ID)

  139. mt327000 says:

    This is Wikipedia's definition of trolling:

    "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

    I promise you, this was not my intention. I only wanted a response from Microsoft on the issue of the Metro UI. I have a lot I would like to say, much of which I haven't said. I never intended my language to be inflammatory or to provoke an emotional response. I apologize if this is how I came across.

  140. mt327000 says:

    Where can I post what I have to say about the UI without sounding rude?

  141. Bryan S. says:

    A similar system works well on the XBox, so I think it will work well in Windows 8.

  142. pmbAustin says:

    @Eric Doerr [MSFT]

    I just want to add my 2 cents in… when I first signed up for a live id, it was with an old email address.  I've since gotten a "real" live ID (@live.com address, complete with hotmail account, etc).  But I have old things that are still associated with the old ID.

    The ability to "merge" and consolidate live IDs is a really serious need.  The "associate" function doesn't seem to do much useful (I tried "associating" the old ID with the new one so that they're somehow linked, but that's not really what I want or need).  Being able to chang ethe email address, merge two live IDs into one, etc., is really crucial going forward.

    I'm glad it's on your radar, but seriously, the sooner the better!  Live ID management is a little too difficult/cumbersome at the moment for most users.  I'm a developer who lives with computers all day, and it's too difficult/cumbersome/confusing for ME sometimes, let alone technophobes like my parents! 🙂

  143. Lance says:

    @Steve

    First, thanks for fielding these questions.

    I'd really like to hear more about the security.  I like the idea of sharing files automatically between systems but can Microsoft see all the files that are exposed?  Once a connection is made do the computers peer (if at least one firewall allows it) or is MS sent every packet?

    Can we limit exposure so Microsoft or a repressive government cannot access any private information via a subpoena (or the equivalent)? Opening up all information on someones PC to certain governments could result in the torture or death of detractors.

    When sharing files across computers using windows live is there trues end to end encryption and man in the middle prevention?  Ideally I want the ability to use a software token installed locally on each machine in order to allow access with full end to end encryption.

  144. @Haris Dickson

    If you connect one Live ID(say, foo@mail.com) to Windows and sync some settings for a while with another PC, then choose to disconnect and connect a new account (foo2@mail.com), all the data from that machine would start syncing to any new machines you connect to the 2nd account. We don't "migrate" the data that was syncing from the original IDs.

  145. @pmbAustin

    This is a common request (merge accounts) and definitely something that we'd like to improve in the future. Thanks for the feedback!

  146. mt327000 says:

    @Steven Sinfoskty:

    According to a post from Jensen Harris on the Office UI blog, blog authors have the ability to delete comments. If I posted any comments that you think are too far off-topic or are duplicates (I didn't mean to post them), could you please delete them? I'm sorry for any trouble I may have caused.

  147. Robin Capper says:

    I'm hopnig a long standing problem with LIveID could be sorted before this happens. I have an old (Windows passport era) LiveID based on my ISP email, say A@A.com.

    In order to get an email capability in Live I had to create another A@windowslive.com account. I can link these but not merge them so although there is one me, the Live system means theres 2 LIveIDs. Why?

  148. rastlin80 says:

    My question is about roaming apps. Is there a way to have two accounts share there apps. For Example if I buy a  tablet for me and one for my wife We each are going to want to have our own live accounts so we can personalize our settings, but when it comes to app purchases I don't want to have to be purchasing in two different accounts  or having one account be the app buyer. It would be nice if my wife and I can have different live accounts set up on our machine, but have those accounts linked (maybe by forcing them to share the same  payment method?) so that we are not trying to manage apps in two different accounts (up to four accounts if you include my 2 boys). You know something similar to what you do with xbox live gold family pack.

  149. gwb says:

    Are they going to release a beta Admin Pak for Win8?

  150. aDungzHUST says:

    can not signing in to Windows 8 with  a Windows live ID ?

    Unfortunately, it's true If your password have a Number character. LOL

    0x80048821 error suck: svbk.vn/showthread.php

  151. Octagon says:

    @Billy: I guess that if I first set the login to Windows ID and next change it to PIN or password, I will stay associated with the cloud and synch app settings. However, I remember very well that when I originally setup the system for plain password I was not asked for Windows ID. This is not the way to go for a system that wants to be intuitive. I guess a notification that no synch is in effect deserves its place in the start screen. BTW, since I can, jumping through hoops or not is irrelevant for now, associate my account with Live ID, why do I need a special Live ID logon mode?

    As for the idea that the only W8 fault is that it is not RTM, I hope that is a figure of speech. I downloaded the W7 CTP and thus had a chance to influence its design, so there is nobody to blame, but even with W7 at least two extremely irritating bugs made there way to RTM: USB HDD safe remove does not stop the motor and Japanese IME does not acknowledge the "use hiragana" configuration setting (as ALL other versions of Windows, BTW, the bug is so well known that it is discussed in printed language study books).

    W8 in its current state is so far from RTM that I even do not know where to start complaining. I do not go for the option to start at an arbitrary point since I believe it is too early to discuss user experience related features at the pre-beta point. I raise the issue in this blog post since it is about a very specific feature discussed from purely user experience orientated point of view. I do remember this is a DEVELOPER preview.

    From the developer standpoint, the API that does not allow to control what happens when the limited space in the cloud is exhausted is clearly not RTM ready. I did not discuss that since the presentation gave me clear impression that the issue had not been settled yet.

  152. So far, I'm seriously impressed with the Developer Preview (Metro/Immersive and all).  I've been in most of the Windows betas (all the 9x ones except ME, and all the NT betas from XP to 7), and thus have more than a passing familiarity with the Start menu.  I'm running the Developer Preview side by side with Windows 7 (different drives on the same PC).  While game compatibility (at this point understandably) has issues, application compatibility, on the other hand, is simply outstanding.  I've mirrored my application loadout, and, despite the DP being on the slower of the two hard drives, it's still blowing  7 x64 + SP1 into the weeds performance-wise.

    Biggest surprise: how little I miss the Start menu,  Seventeen years (October 1994, with Windows 95 beta 2 – the infamous build 224) history with the Start menu – and I could care less.  (And I'm running the DP on a traditional desktop – not a tablet or slate.)

    Most improved applet – Disk Optimizer (one you haven't covered yet).  Disk Optimizer has a few tricks that big-brother Diskeeper 2011 Pro Premier lacks – including multi-pass defragmentation.  Just one quibble – it's only accessible via Disk Properties/Tools (as has been the case in previous versions of Windows) – no standalone executable?

    On the traditional UI – I can understand that some folks may prefer it, therefore I agree that Metro should be an option for traditional desktops and portable PCs like mine (Setup-selectable, along with account settings).  Just don't remove it as an option!  (Also, you may want to consider a touch-enabled version of the traditional Start menu – not all tablet/slate users may even like or want Metro/Immersive as a UI.)

  153. mt327000 says:

    I've posted my Metro UI complaints on the Windows 8 forum. If anyone wants to read them, this is the URL:

    social.msdn.microsoft.com/…/b822c546-bf05-4cf9-b0a5-9cca3c1b404d

  154. Latus says:

    I like the new style but I do not win 8 USB sticks work kingston, not to do.

  155. Find on Page <-- WP-Mango says:

    In mango they removed Find on Page from IE… please cast your vote so they bring it back: windowsphone.uservoice.com/…/2110469-bring-back-find-on-page-to-the-browser

  156. Octagon says:

    I really do not understand how Metro can be an option. No Metro – no Metro apps? No good. Just another layer to run Metro apps in the desktop? No good, no point.

  157. wonder work. good luck team windows, billions of your users gobally dont want to be disapointaed. I can see the pressure you guys work under.

  158. Andrew says:

    Will you make improvements to Windows Live ID to make it more easy to change the Country settings in your WLID? Otherwise this WLID option is useless for people that travel from one country to another. I moved from Canada to US and had a lot of frustrating issues because of this.

  159. Vicki Milton [MSFT} says:

    Thank you all for the great dialog and kudos on this feature set.  The team really appreciates it!

    @Bastian92 Windows 8 keeps you in control of your roaming experience.  Your settings will only roam between PCs in which you have created an account and that account uses your LiveID.  Further, you will have the ability to enlist specific PCs as trusted so that some settings such as your credentials will only roam to those PCs.  This is discussed at the end of the blog post.

    @Simon Tremblay, @wr:  As you can imagine, addressing enterprise needs to protect access to corporate assets was an important criterion for Windows 8.  Defaults employed for domain joined PCs will be conservative to provide IT with necessary controls.

    @Bastian92m, @Nicole

    Regardless of your connectivity state, you can always access your PC. Roaming will function once you are connected to the Internet.

    @mt327000

    Roaming is not dependent on Metro.  Rather, it is a function of your user account.  There are settings that will roam that are used outside of the Metro UX, such as credentials.  There are also Metro and Metro app settings that will roam.   Without using Metro, you are not maximizing the value of the roaming feature.

    @arrow22

    Thank you.  Security is an important aspect of this feature set and critical to its success.  Windows and Windows Live work together to make trust assessments.  Together, they protect your account from compromise as you move among your PCs.  This is done through a number of checks and balances.  

    @Ropama

    Contrary to myth (dispelled in our planning efforts), it is Number of User Accounts.  

    @Mermin

    We have a number of investments to improve security in Windows 8, including multi-factor authentication.  You can find out more about 2FA investments in Windows 8 in the build talk “Building hardware-based security with a Trusted Platform Module (TPM) @

    channel9.msdn.com/…/HW-462T.  I recommend you look at the Virtual Smart Card feature in particular.

    @Dany Rodier

    Glad you brought that up.  As mentioned in the blog post, Windows 8 includes credential storage which will sync to trusted PCs.  It manages both Windows credentials and online credentials.  We believe that it will help eliminate quite a bit of password pain for our users.

    @Kris

    Good questions.  For you first question, roaming with your LiveID is architected differently than RUP and was developed for use in mass scale using Windows Live infrastructure, so we anticipate that you will be pleased with performance.  Please let us know what you think.  For you second question, there is no ability for a company to perform this in a private cloud or on premise with just the Windows 8 infrastructure.  

    @RP

    A user may have two accounts and use them daily or it can be infrequently used.  To understand this more we also looked into telemetry.  We found that 23% were actively using 2 or more accounts meaning they had switched accounts at least once in a 30 day period.  

    @wr

    Windows supports the concept of multiple user accounts.  If you plan to frequently share your device with occasional users, perhaps you might want to create a guest account for convenience sharing.  This way, you could better protect access to your personal data and services.  

    Vicki Milton

    Senior Product Planner, Windows Security and Identity

  160. jader3rd says:

    I certainly hope that syncing the Live Roaming settings don't bog down log in like AD settings do. I hoping for something more async and lazy.

  161. Thanks Steve, Excellent blogs points to Senior Developers!

  162. tj says:

    Can I sync all of my info including all passwords, and all history to another cell phone. If so how ???

  163. Drewfus says:

    "…there are three categories of data that can be synced to your Windows 8 PCs when you sign in with your ID: 1) Windows settings, 2) App settings and data, and 3) credentials."

    This is all fine and potentially a great leap forward, but it seems a little odd to me that syncing of data types 1, 2 and 3 can't occur at the Homegroup level, especially given that  "The size of the data we roam is minimal…" – that is, a subset of the users profile state. This limitation could be removed at the Homegroup level, but the option of LAN-only syncing is not available. Therefore a user can share files and printers via their Homegroup, but not program data + credentials, and they can share program data + credentials via Windows Live ID sign-in, but not share stuff! A little confusing, possibly? Also, there is the security issue of saving personal data to the cloud that would mostly be alleviated if Homegroup-only syncing were possible. I guess SkyDrive is the answer regarding file sharing, but that just becomes one more feature for users to learn about, and i don't think a multi-terabyte media library is going to be very compatible with SkyDrive at this stage.

    I realize that Live ID sign-in is meaningless at the Homegroup level, so that syncing would either have to be restricted to non-credentials data, or account data would have to be synced by some mechanism, but it just seems a little strange that the jump is being made straight from the standalone PC as a repoitory of user profiles – to the internet, without the intermediate step of enabling this at the LAN level. Perhaps i'm thinking of WHS? Not overly familiar with that product to be honest.

    Anyway, good work with this.

  164. Thanks for that post and clearifying comments.

    As already mentioned in some comments by others, multiple live ids (digital identiy) management for one single human being (real world identitiy) would be nice to have. With that, one is able to sign on to an app with the desired/appropriate digital id.

    Is there something like that on your list?

  165. Off-topic: the Metro IE 10 sometimes slows down terribly. So writing a comment becomes a torture and lead to typos.

    Why is that in spite of being hardware accelerated?

  166. Fernando says:

    HELPPP!!!!

    cant login into windows 8 havent create a account and i try my hotmail account but it says that my username or password is incorrect

  167. Fernando says:

    HELPPP!!!!

    cant login into windows 8 havent create a account and i try my hotmail account but it says that my username or password is incorrect

  168. @Fernando: Then try to reset your passwort online via the second email account as described in the article:

    "However, if you sign in to your PC with your Windows Live ID and you later forget your password, you can reset your password from another PC by navigating to https://login.live.com and clicking on “forgot my password.”  This will allow you to reset your password in a secure fashion without losing any information on your PC. Resetting your password this way is also more secure because it takes advantage of the secondary proof we mentioned earlier to make sure it’s really you resetting your password."

  169. Evil Overlord says:

    Actually, I never use multiple accounts on one system.  I've tried it a home, and it was definitely not worth the trouble. Instead, I'd like an option for Windows to recognize (or be told) that there is only one user, and allow me to keep my files wherever I want, without having all those profile folders (all users, administrator, guest, per user) that I don't want or need, or having to finagle settings to avoid a logon screen (when I'm the only user!).  I can do some of this with tweaking apps, but why not let me tell Windows – there is now and will always be only one user; scrap that extra stuff..

  170. @Katie Frigon

    What happens if your Windows Live ID password has expired any you have not set up a new one in the previous session in Windows?

    As you know Windows Live has the option to make the password expire every 72 days. Now imagine the following scenario; You go on holidays and forget about your password is going to expire before you will return home. When returning home, you cannot login to Windows, since the old Windows Live ID password has expired, but you haven't set a new one. Since you cannot login to Windows, you cannot browse to Windows Live website to set a new password.

  171. again @Katie Frigon

    Sorry, I forgot to ask in my previous post: Do you plan to include some kind of notification in Windows 8 about expiration of Windows Live ID password, like let's say "Your Windows Live password is about to expire in N days" to avoid the situation I described above?

  172. @Mitjah

    We already handle this as the article and comments would suggest.  You can *always* log on to Windows with the password you last used to log on.  

  173. ronaldm-1 says:

    Hello.

    With all the touch capabilities availiable in Windows 8 I was wondering if the fingerprint reading capabilities have been improved in Windows 8?

  174. Sipho Nkosi says:

    its good

  175. Bonjour. Votre idée est pas mal du tout, mais je dois faire une critique : quand on a oublié de créer un compte fixe sur le PC, et qu'on se connecte avec Windows Live, si comme moi on voyage souvent, on ne peut plus se connecter… Et on ne peut pas configurer d'accès à Internet sans avoir ouvert une session. Je propose donc deux éléments. Le premier est D'OBLIGER l'utilisateur à se créer un compte fixe AVANT d'associer sa session à un compte Windows Live (ce que je n'ai pas fait, donc j'ai du réinstaller Windows), OU en cas d'extrême urgence, d'impossibilité totale de se connecter à un réseau reconnu, de pouvoir configurer un autre réseau AVANT la connexion à la session OU/ET d'associer un numéro de mobile à son compte pour que l'équipe Windows Live nous envoie un code pour nous connecter ou configurer la connexion Internet.

  176. @ simon gervais

    Merci de respecter la langue Anglaise de ce forum.

  177. kosti says:

    please don't do this. Stop thinking for us. Don't optimize. Just put a few options and let it grow. You are doing the same mistake over and over again. Look at google they forced a unique google id on Youtube and things are horrible. Find a less intrusive way to connect users over different platforms please.

  178. Tim S says:

    I always found Live software to feel like bloatware, hence I've found alternatives, normally open source.  I dont feel this is a positive feature unless the API for integration can be used by 3rd party developers to allow other apps/settings to sync to.  Being solely a microsoft live software only + windows desktop settings synch tool would limit its potential and be another attempt to control a market rather than let developers tweak an innovation.

  179. David says:

    Really, excellent feature, that nothing else is utilizing right now (with the exception of google chromebook but thats all cloud based) but this is something i definetly miss with windows 7. I was however wondering if this will work similarly with WP7 items already in the skydrive, and hotmail, e.g. will contacts sync, and apps that are for WP7 but can be used with W8? just wondering.

  180. Jon says:

    How does syncing work with the DESKTOP? I don't care about metro. I want to sync my programs running on my desktop. My PC is a desktop.

  181. @Jon

    We do roam some desktop settings like your background and taskbar settings but, as mentioned in the article, we do not roam app settings for non-Metro apps.