Best place to discuss Windows 8


I wanted to offer a pointer to the best place to have discussions about Windows 8. Please head over to the forums we have set up to discuss the product and answer questions.  As we have seen, the commenting mechanism is not a great place to have a wide variety of topics different than the topic of the post while keeping track of the discussion. We set up this short URL to be easy to remember: http://win8.ms/forums gets you to the general forum.

 

-Steven

Comments (165)

  1. Sam says:

    How do I shut down the machine?

    How to enable old start menu? No such setting.

    This is the most confusing build I have ever used.

    10y+ of PC history

  2. Mauro says:

    These are my first considerations: (++) "how-can-it-be-so-fast" boot times (+) the overall UI response is very quick (+/-) the bootloader has removed my Windows XP boot option, I had to resume it using BCDEDIT (-) why no mouse touch features like scrolling the new start page? (–) I have to logoff to shutdown? (–) I'm already missing the standard Start menu, where I can hide seldom used programs.

  3. Mike says:

    @Sam

    HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurre ntVersionExplorer

    change value of RPEnabled from "1" to "0"

    than you can enable the old starmenu

    But i don't recommend that, because the Ribbon will be also deactivated.

    I hope in the final release this will be fixed.

  4. B8Blog says:

    @sam, @Mauro and @mike please try the forums.  actually, almost everything new is disabled 🙂

  5. 6205 says:

    People should realize that current build is an Alpha version. Before final version or even public beta will be released, million small or bigger changes will be done to the OS. I am sure that final UI will be beautiful, from new redesigned msstyle to many improvements to Metro theme in color palete, details, icons etc. also many features are not completed.

  6. DevPlus says:

    Please i Need Some information about Windows 8 on NVIDIA Project Denver ARM

  7. Mauro says:

    Thanks Steven: also my considerations are in alpha-state 🙂 Anyway the real only trouble was the bootloader not recognizing the good ol' Windows XP, and using bcdedit I lost the new bootloader.

  8. Mathias says:

    Thanks mike for the registry hack.

    I was going insane.. jumping back and forward to the metro UI just to launch something from the search field drove me insane.

    I need a search for files in the desktop part too. like win7 start menu. now it is back.  Okey I loose the ribbon in explorer. But really. who uses that anyway.  Most power users are using a 3de party filemanager anyway.

  9. Tip: shutdown / restart and search apps / files says:

    anyone looking for a shutdown / restart option, do the following:

    – press the WinLogo key on keyboard or take mouse to lower right corner of screen

    – the new windows Start menu will show up

    – select settings, a bar will slid in from left side of screen, there at the bottom, power options 🙂

    to quickly search for files and apps, like you previously do Win7 start menu:

    – on the home screen, just start typing name of file or app you are looking for.

    – Win8 will show up results as you type.

    // chall3ng3r //

  10. gawicks says:

    I know this is not the best place to discuss this.But what happened to the jumplists ? Are they deprecated now? I see them nowhere in the new Start screen. How can I open a recent document in word. Or open an inprivate window in IE etc. Don't say 'You can pin them to the taskbar' because the taskbar is most certainly not the primary app launchnig interface in Windows8.

    That's one hole in your No compromise design.

  11. david says:

    Does anyone know if there is a kill date for the OS? and if we will simply be able to upgrade future builds?

  12. Tiago says:

    Saying this is a No compromise is not true, or a joke. Desktop UI will have a real compromise.

  13. When I try to boot Windows 8 in UEFI mode, it freezes in the middle of the animation (only 2 dots appear) Why??? I have enabled UEFI Boot from bios. Spec: ASUS K53SV

  14. egrei says:

    I don't get one thing: how do you close an app with the new app switcher?

  15. Sam Sabri says:

    I am loving Windows 8 so far! It is performing with aplomb on some old hardware I had lying around.

    gowindowsgo.com

  16. A says:

    Hi,

    No windows 7 apps are running. namely office skype dropbox n many more… ne fixes??!!!

  17. Anon says:

    You can't close apps without ctrl-alt-delete.

  18. david says:

    agreed closing apps seem to be a mistery. old keyboard shortcuts for closing aren't working either

  19. Paul says:

    To shut down on a machine with a mouse, move the pointer to the bottom left corner then hit settings then on the right press power and shut down or restart or sleep. Apps don't need to be closed…. they get suspended.

  20. Waleriy says:

    Wi Fi Direct will be in Windows 8 tablets?

  21. GJP says:

    Seems to be a lot of issues installing the Preview into virtualization products.

    I have the HAL_Initialization issue trying to install into Virtual PC on a WIndows 7 x64 machine.

    Perhaps, could could clarify what is/isnt suggested for running in a virtualized environment?

  22. okay I just gave it a shot, an hour or so… the interface is very obviously not appropriate at all for mice users… ie it's very unpleasant to use it with a mouse. As to using a touch screen on a desktop PC (vertical monitor), excuse me guys but I'll pass.

  23. another issue: as I'm dual-booting with Win7, I realized that you must boot Win8 first to access the bootloader interface, choose Win7 and reboot again ??? 🙂

  24. okay got it lol, I didn't read the OP's post, giving the link to the forums :))

  25. @Steven

    Will the forums have Microsoft employee participation as well????

    It's a great idea to have a forum, but IMO, it'd be great to talk to and suggest ideas to you and other devs.

  26. LeoStorm85 says:

    Windows 7 start menu is amazing, I use it thousand times a day. Removing it is a fool thing and will bring professional users (especially in the computer science research field) to move to other systems.

    Windows 7 is a beautiful OS and some Windows 8 news (Hyper-V, hybrid boot, new task manager,…) are really great but the relationship between desktop and metro UI has to be completely inverted; now the desktop is an application in metro UI but most of us wants metro UI to be an application of desktop.

    Finally, where's Aero Flip 3D?

  27. It's an alpha, so expecting things to work as if it were a final product seems a bit silly. However, I'd be *very* careful forcing Metro UI on users who want to use the old Windows 7 GUI. As far as I'm concerned, I should have the option for it to behave as if Metro wasn't even there if I wanted. This is especially important for a corporate workplace.

  28. jimbo says:

    tablets kinda suck. 99% of us are still going to use a desktop/laptop. W7 was semi friendly. why force such an unwanted change on your loyal customers? it seems like mac's are turning into pc's and pc's are going all gadget bs.   kinda sad really.

  29. jimbo says:

    tablets kinda suck. 99% of us are still going to use a desktop/laptop. W7 was semi friendly. why force such an unwanted change on your loyal customers? it seems like mac's are turning into pc's and pc's are going all gadget bs.   kinda sad really.

  30. jbman2025 says:

    to add the applications folder to the desktop, make a new folder and name it  "Applications.{4234d49b-0245-4df3-b780-3893943456e1}" without the quotes.

  31. Shakir says:

    From where i will download windows 8 for developer

  32. @GJP

    I didn't have any problem in Virtual Box. Virtual PC doen't support 64 bit OS, so I didn't try it.

  33. tic says:

    hey, guys you have to know that some features are disabled like webcam app(except for usertile), videos & music tiles, xbox live tiles, customization screen for metro ui,…

  34. Jorge Aldunate says:

    I love the ribbon, but hate the new start menu. It would be nice if we could choose either we'd like to activate the new start menu, ribbon, etc, or not. Just saying though

  35. So the whole thing about empowering users?  How about empowering users with the ability to disable Metro and have a full desktop experience with a real start menu?  That's pretty much been the first comment from everyone in my office who played with the machine we installed it on.  We don't want interfaces designed around touch that we'll never use because we hate fingerprints on our screens.  I want to streamline my workstation for work.  I want the option to go straight to a desktop that's not had it's functionality cut out.

  36. TF says:

    +1 on Windows 8 Desktop full UI. The metro squares with the simple color is really getting boring only with a one day use. Besides Desktop experience is really different then tablet one. Its nice that you can switch between one and another, but not using a hibrid of both when you are only working with mouse and keyboard. I just cant get used to using mouse and keyboard with Metro… :S

  37. TF says:

    Besides Metro is nice when you look at the photo app example not the home screen with huge tiles with no image background, only a dull color.

    Look for instance the weather app. It has a nice live background with video, but then the tiles are horrible squares colored. They could more widgets with transparent background and not uniform colored.

    Metro is nice, but dont abuse of it, and dont overuse it with the big squares and simply colors.

    Mark my words, people will SOONER then you expect get tired of Metro. Especially the homescreen.

    Again the photo app is really nice.

  38. @Sam   To shutoff the pc, 1st log out by clicking on your user icon on the top right. After logging out, you will see a power icon in the lower right.

    The rest of you chill out. Change always = people freaking out. This is just a preview. They want you to play with the metro ui not instantly convert to an old ui.

    My Iphone addicted daughter would love this OS.  I currently can't see myself moving to it as I don't use mobile devices but I do enjoy tinkering with it.

  39. @Sam   To shutoff the pc, 1st log out by clicking on your user icon on the top right. After logging out, you will see a power icon in the lower right.

    The rest of you chill out. Change always = people freaking out. This is just a preview. They want you to play with the metro ui not instantly convert to an old ui.

    My Iphone addicted daughter would love this OS.  I currently can't see myself moving to it as I don't use mobile devices but I do enjoy tinkering with it.

  40. Simone ITA says:

    Please!! This new interface is good……But we need the classic start menù!..New Is too much childish!

  41. Simone ITA says:

    Please!! This new interface is good……But we need the classic start menù!..New Is too much childish!

  42. Mike Diack says:

    Please make the desktop/classic explorer type UI the default on non-tablet hardware (ie desktop PCs). Metro UI is a pain to use on the PC.

  43. GregH says:

    It's so bad I can barely write this – I am off to bed!

  44. John says:

    More things to fix for windows 8 –> http://www.windows7taskforce.com

  45. Shaun says:

    Dont criticise too much all. This is only an alpha, not anything close to being refined. All your complaints and suggestions need to go to microsoft and not complaining on a comments section. All in all this new OS has epic potential. Cant wait for the Beta or final release!!

  46. pkn2011 says:

    It may be only Alpha – but going on the TV preview of Windows 8 I saw this morning, it sure looks promising. 🙂

  47. jose says:

    I downloaded the 32 version, but cannot make apps to run… are there not included on that version or is something wrong?

    Any advise?

  48. Dinakar says:

    However the same setup.exe works good on the Windows XP on a laptop where I downloaded Win 8.

  49. gohan224 says:

    How do you get the preview build to install on a second partition, as a dual-boot set up?

  50. Unknown says:

    running windows 8 having issues with messenger and hotmai

    messenger shows all contacts as offline

    Hotmail shows the new delete sweep ect one minute then privacy and contact us etc

    as I type in ebuddy it says the contact is offline in messenger but I get a message of what I typed in messenger….

  51. Unknown says:

    running windows 8 having issues with messenger and hotmai

    messenger shows all contacts as offline

    Hotmail shows the new delete sweep ect one minute then privacy and contact us etc

    as I type in ebuddy it says the contact is offline in messenger but I get a message of what I typed in messenger….

  52. space says:

    does it work with windows 7's system requirements or I well havew to buy anew computer!

  53. I have tried 4 times to install Windows 8.

    The installation stopped each time at 69% with a message "something happend".

    A "cancel" button is the only choice I get.

  54. abdulla says:

    I just install windows 8 over 7 by mistake.

    is there a way to get back to 7?

  55. Carlo says:

    i found a little bug: in the Control Panel, in the Ease Of Access tab, i switched on the High Contrast, i tried it for a couple of minutes, then i switched off… now every time i lock the screen, the high contrast come back and the only way i could swith off that is bi right clicking on the desktop and change the theme… BTW windows 8 is gorgeous and i love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  56. anil , kirugavalu.. says:

    i hope this build is not user friendly.. for normal users..

    intel driver automatic update utility not worked in ie..

  57. anil , kirugavalu.. says:

    Driver Reviver apllicatin not worked too.. even tried compability troubleshoot mode windows7, xp sp3 too..

  58. Sam says:

    Steven,

    Will you ever update the Windows 95 free disk space indicator?

    http://www.neowin.net/…/1306931187.or.87034.png

  59. anil, kirugavalu.. says:

    @ site jumper..

    u must install by clean installing.. not upgrade one..

    which one ur trying 64 r x86(32)..

  60. I have been using Windows for about 25 years already and I have always been very enthousiastic about drastical changes like those in Windows 95, XP, 7 etc.

    I am however very disappointed about The Metro interface :

    – Dark, somber, monochromatic colors

    – Flat, dull looking tiles with ugly icons

    – Soulless

    I really do not want it in front of me !

    Sorry for my negative but honest findings.

  61. anil , kirugavalu.. says:

    i just installed Microsoft security essential.. its running fine..

  62. Leonardo Lazzaro says:

    Please, separate the Metro UI from the classic UI: on a desktop, or another touchless monitor Metro UI is uncomfortable and annoying to use.

    The best thing is to dedice during installation what UI use: Classic, Metro or both; and the possibility to switch from Control Panel.

  63. anil , kirugavalu.. says:

    goddam..!!!

    adobe photoshop cs3 installed without any error… it was unbelievable..

    in windows7sp1 not installed due to windows installer …

  64. Mr.Windows says:

    @Steven:Will Windows 8 run on my old Pentium 4 PC with Intel 81845GV  onboard display & 1GB RAM???I haven't tried it on that PC yet.

    @anil , kirugavalu.. :You don't need to install Microsoft security essential on Windows 8 separately,it's already integrated with Windows Defender.

    @People who are complaining about Windows 8 & the Apple FANBOYS present here:-Stop complaining,this is a Developer Preview & not a feature complete BETA & why is it that you guys criticise Microsoft for everything  they do?What's wrong with you guys?It seems like you guys just see a new feature & "Microsoft did not put the feature I want so…..FAIL".

    @Microsoft:Good job guys keep it up,this product has real potential & sorry if this post comes up multiple times,I am trying to post it but,it just doesn't appear.

  65. anil , kirugavalu.. says:

    i installed.. nokia ovi suite, winamp , hotoshop, vlc player, and many more..

  66. anil , kirugavalu.. says:

    @Mr.Windows i m shareing this all .. not for disgradeing t his build..

  67. Bill Gates says:

    How do I get to the Command Prompt?

  68. anil , kirugavalu.. says:

    @ billgates ..

    press windows key & R KEY.. window will oper there CMD.. THEN U WILL GET COMMAND PROMPT

  69. Site-Jumper says:

    @ anil, kirugavalu..

    I did that but it doesn't work either : error code 08007001

  70. Max says:

    why windows 8 DP can't be installed on external USB HDD?

    it is giving an error that Windows 8 can't be installed on USB or IEEE external HDD..

    windows 7 can be installed on external HDD then why can't Windows 8??

    Can anyone suggest me the workaround?

    Thnx.

  71. Don’t like posting this in public but when can we join connect.microsoft.com and submit bugs about Windows 8 as I’m sorry but I have already had loads but no way of reporting them to Microsoft like I could when testing Vista or Seven?

    Unless this build is just so you can get developers to start making stuff for your App(lication) store?

    I noticed also there is no windows live essentials installed as default?

  72. Parv says:

    To enable the old Start menu on win 8

    Open registry edit

    HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentVersionExplorer

    Change value of RPEnabled from "1" to "0"

  73. Parv says:

    To enable the old Start menu on win 8

    Open registry edit

    HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentVersionExplorer

    Change value of RPEnabled from "1" to "0"

  74. Eden says:

    I'm having problems with the pre-beta, he goes into loop when I restart or shut down / turn on. x86   What can be?

  75. Malebolgia says:

    My best compliments for Win 8, however there are some minor glitches that need to be fixed.

    For example, I also have the reboot/shutdown issue and if I change my name or picture into my Live account, Win 8 keeps showing the old information.

  76. dtm says:

    Very cool design.  With the latest build, only a few of the tiles actually work when you click on them.  How do you configure the tiles, ie. stocks, weather, etc?

  77. Will Tran says:

    I can't get any tiles working. I click on Stock and etc – it doesn't do anything.

  78. 2Cents says:

    When using a mouse I think it would be more intuitive if the screens scrolled automatically when moving pointer to the right or the left side of the screen.  It would also make it more aesthetically pleasing rather then having the scroll bar floating right in the middle.  Perhaps make it an optional feature where you could also change the scrolling rate when moving the pointer.

  79. Mauro says:

    After another few test I really miss the touch gestures using the mouse in the new start menu… why cannot I scroll horizontally the page dragging the background with the mouse? Please add "touch" gestures wherever possible with the mouse (or at least give us the option to enable this thing)

  80. How to close app? says:

    I've seen someone else mention this. There is no easy way to close an app.

  81. squaresoftero says:

    Ive downloaded and installed Win Dev Preview, and like the others the system fails to shut down, reset, close apps opened in metro interface, which is also confusing and would appreciate if you could use the regular start menu, also my laptop (Asus G71GX) despite installing drivers the e-sata port doesnt work, so my hi speed external disk has to be connected through usb.

  82. anil , kirugavalu,, says:

    hi guys..

    i created wallpapper for fans of akon & windows8..

    imageshack.us/…/honeyakon.jpg

  83. stopcomplaining says:

    stop complaining. i love windows 8. is fresh and new. you cant have the classic windows interface forever. this is a step in the right  direction. i give microsft a lot of credit for trying something knew. you can do everything with the new start menu just as easily. its just more modern. plus this isnt even the official beta. everyone needs to stop being so afraid of change. everything can be done on windows 8 that could always be done and more. just gotta get used to it.

  84. Ben Eads says:

    I just installed the Windows 8 Developer Preview on my PC. I love it! However, it is lacking the "Live" Tiles. Mail, Photos, People, etc… is missing. Is this normal?

    Please advise. Thanks!

  85. anil , kirugavalu says:

    @ beneads.. its normal.. no sample images, music, video .. in this build too.. i m missing classic theme too..

  86. besar says:

    Hello everybody , im using windows 8 on a dell d630 and as a alpha version it works fine , but i have a question for you guys , does anyone has overheating problems , i didn;t have when i was using 7 , any suggestion

  87. anil , kirugavalu.. says:

    check out my new windows8 wa;llpapper ..

  88. ishankhare says:

    how to close an app, there dosen't seems any close button and the running apps do not show up in the explorer mode….????

  89. Mac says:

    I am a technical fan of MS (I have a PhD in the field and I am interested in other decent software companies). I have also used and developed for half a dozen of operating systems.

    I had very high hopes for W8. I installed W8 yesaterday and I am still in shock. I agree with every single item in this article.

    – First of all I am missing the start menu. I normally minimize the size of icons in my start menu to make it small and suddenly W8 wants to take the whole screen, no, actually multiple screens to do that same thing?

    – I like the window component in W7 and previous version. A concrete, solid frame in which programs are running and you have a lot of excellent 15 years though features to work (move, resize, focus, tile, …..) with those windows. Now suddenly they are gone.

    When I lunched the new task manager I did not feel the solid application I used to work with. This one seems like a (not very well designed) web application.

    – I was desperate to switch between those applications (applications windows) and I could not see a list of running applications (like the task bar in W7) without struggling a lot.

    – I was feeling in an alien world (as if I have not used this OS for more than a decade). I accept that tablet environment needs radical changes, but desktop (i.e. mouse, keyboard, monitor) environment has already matured. And that has been achieved by 1.5 decade of work. Exactly like sinkofsky says (but acts differently), those achievements should not be put away in one night.

    – Too much changes, means you risk to lose customers that do no more feel at home.

    – Also for me W7 is a very solid environment. But W8 seems like a new OS with a loose GUI which is not well thought.

    I seriously smell Windows ME. I like microsoft and It will be very disappointing to me to see they cannot deliver a solid product but this is not the thing we expect.

  90. Igor Kokarev says:

    Old visual problem with Aero interface in Windows 8

    If turn off an option “Animate windows when minimizing and maximizing” (in “Performance Options” window of Windows 8) you may see the following visual defect.

    Minimize any window to the taskbar and then click on the icon of this application in the taskbar to restore its window. At this moment you can observe a quick flash of black color (or white color) on the background of the appearing window. It happens quickly (1/10 of second) but I can catch this moment. Personally I find this visual glitch very annoying. Some applications give a black flash (Windows Explorer in Win8 WPD, Google Chrome, etc.), other applications have a white flash (Internet Explorer 10 in Win8). The more large screen resolution, the more noticeable this problem.

    1) Indeed it's a very old bug which exists since Windows Vista, Windows 7 and now in Windows 8.

    2) And this problem occurs only with Aero Glass user interface. If you turn off desktop composition (DWM), this problem doesn't happen at all.

    3) It occurs on any computer with Aero graphical interface, any edition of Windows 8, 7 and Vista. I tested this problem on dozens of computes with same result.

    This is the only one reason why I stays on Windows XP.

    Please fix this visual defect.

    See attached screenshots (JPEGs in ZIP), where I recorded phases of this problem for different applications:

    http://www.wnsoft.com/…/win8-bug.zip

  91. @Steven Sinofsky

    The new UI is wonderfull. But it isn't user-friendly if you have a Desktop or a laptop.

    Some users, like me, will never buy a touchscreen or a tablet. We prefer mouse and keyboard. We prefer windows, taskbar, start menu where you can get programs, files, etc…

    Maybe, introducing an option that makes you choice what UI you want to use, would be important.

    So, if you have a pc desktop and you don't want to use Immersive, you can use the desktop.

    And if you want to use Immersive (if you have a tablet, but also if you have a desktop and you want to use Immersive), you can use it.

    Simple. And, why not?

    A user wants to use them together? Why shouldn't he do this?

    One last thing: I watched a video (Jensen Harris) and i saw that to get Immersive from the desktop you must click Start on the right. I think it could disturb.

    I don't now, maybe "Start Screen" in the menu start near Help and Support. This is only an example.

    I'm Italian, and in Italian blogs 80% of people say they're disappointed because they hate Immersive (and the new start menu, too) on a pc.

    I'd like an answer.

    Users' opinion is important 😉

  92. Thalles Eduardo says:

    How can I use the Intel HD Graphics in windows 8? I want to play The Age Of Empires 3.

  93. Thalles Eduardo says:

    How can I use the Intel HD Graphics in windows 8? It doesn't work in windows 8 (It says that there's a problem with the drive, but I've already re-installed it and nothing have changed), but it works at Windows 7 in the same computer. Windows 8 is very good and stable it's very easy to use it.

  94. Brent says:

    dual boot in 3  steps and works 32 bit all i tryed

    Step One: Create a New Partition

    Full sizeBefore you start, make a backup of your data—you're going to be formatting drives and installing OSes, so anything could go wrong, and you don't want to lose your whole system. When you're ready, we'll need to create some space for Windows 8 on your hard drive. Assuming you have at least 20GB of space free on your drive, you're going to use Windows' Disk Management to set partition those 20GB for Windows 8. Open the Start Menu and right click on the "Computer" option. Click "Manage", and in the window that appears, click on "Disk Management" in the left sidebar.

    Find your system hard disk in the graphical list that appears in the bottom pane. Right-click on it and then click "Shrink Volume". Shrink it down so you have at least 20GB of space left on the end of the drive, and click OK. Then, click on the "Unallocated" block of that drive that appears and click "New Simple Volume". Click Next on the next few windows until you get to the "Format Partition" window. Here, give it a volume label you'll recognize (like "Windows 8") and click Next. It should format the drive for you. Now you're all set to install Windows 8.

    Step Two: Install Windows 8

    If you haven't downloaded the Developer Preview ISO yet, head over to the Windows Developer Center and download it. Burn it onto a DVD using something like ImgBurn, or burn it to a thumb drive if you don't have a DVD drive in your machine. Make sure your computer is set to boot from CD or USB, stick in your installation media, and reboot.

    Full sizeIf you get a prompt to "Press any key to boot from DVD", then hit a key on your keyboard. You should boot right into the Windows 8 installer. It actually looks almost exactly like the Windows 7 installer, so it should seem a little familiar. Just pick your language, hit "Install Now", and choose "Custom" when asked what type of install you'd like to perform.

    On the next screen, find your new partition on the list of drives. Make sure it's the right one, because you're about to write over whatever's on it. Hit "Next" and let the installer do its thing. When you're done, your computer should reboot into Windows 8. It'll probably reboot one more time after it does, then you'll be greeted with the Windows 8 Start screen. If you choose to enter a Windows Live ID here, make sure you have access to your email and can confirm your computer—otherwise it might not let you boot into it.

    Step Three: Make Windows 7 the Default (Optional)

    Full sizeYou'll notice when you first boot up into Windows 8 that you're presented with a new graphical boot menu that'll let you choose between your Windows 7 and Windows 8 installations. Windows 8 will be the default, meaning if you don't manually choose Windows 7 from the menu, your computer will boot into Windows 8 after three seconds of inactivity. Chances are, you don't want to make Windows 8 the default quite yet, so here's how to make Windows 7 the default.

    On the boot menu, click on the button at the bottom that says "Change Defaults or Choose Other Options", and hit "Choose the Default Operating System". From there, you can pick Windows 7 from the menu. From now on, your computer will boot into Windows 7 by default, but if you feel like playing around with Windows 8 that day, you can just pick it from the boot menu. Enjoy playing with the developer preview, and let us know what you think in the comments.

  95. Karlos75 says:

    I burnt the WindowsDeveloperPreview-64bit-English.iso

    Created a New Partition Drive F:

    Started an install but It kept asking me to install a DVD driver.

    I got back into Vista updated the firmware on my Plextor 760A_107.

    Still nothing!!! Keep asking for the same thing.

    What am I doing wrong?

  96. Did a clean install on my HP Pavilion dm4 laptop. The laptop has an Intel Core i5 M 460, 4GB RAM, both an AMD Mobility Radeon HD 6370 graphics adapter w/512MB dedicated video memory and Intel integrated graphics. The boot time is significantly faster than Windows 7, but even though I have a 34nm Intel X25-M 80GB SSD running in AHCI mode the boot time is far from instantaneous. I'm having issues where when Windows 8 boots up I get a blank screen. I have to put the laptop to sleep and wake it up to get video on my laptop's screen. I've noticed that Windows 8 natively supports switchable graphics. There seems to be a problem though. Lets say my laptop is on battery power. I do a cold boot and Windows 8 uses the integrated Intel graphics. Later, I plug my laptop into AC power because the battery is low. Windows 8 continues to use the Intel integrated graphics. It does not automatically switch to the AMD graphics and does not even offer an option to manually switch to the AMD Radeon graphics. I have to do a reboot to switch to the AMD Radeon graphics. I'm not sure if this is a driver issue or an unfinished feature in Windows 8. Also, does Windows 8 run Metro style apps in the same way as Android? None of the included Metro apps have an exit button. Task Manager shows them as suspended when the apps are not in the foreground. Are they still taking up memory like Android apps do on the Nexus S phone? This obviously isn't a problem on my laptop, but on a lower end computer with 1GB of RAM couldn't this possibly cause a slowdown eventually?

  97. Marcellino says:

    they seem to few problem with windows 8 developerm eview. some program are unsupported and video play back is a problem. get a green screen on all video, windows media player,youtube,real player,ect all crash and frezz up. is it prossable to fix such a thing?

  98. Marcellino says:

    they seem to few problem with windows 8 developerm eview. some program are unsupported and video play back is a problem. get a green screen on all video, windows media player,youtube,real player,ect all crash and frezz up. is it prossable to fix such a thing?

  99. jojo says:

    I've installed the pre-beta release and found it pretty fast and a lot of great stuff was going on. The boot time was very fast with my SSD, the Metro design was very beautiful and the overall usage was very good. However I found a few problems which I want to report along with some suggestions.

    1- Metro/Desktop integrity: I've heard it a lot from other people and didn't want to say anything until I got my hands on the OS and I agree. They were right. It feels like 2 different worlds that don't have anything to do with each other. The switching process was very fluid but the design wasn't. The Metro and Desktop parts feel separate. They don't combine and like my friend said: "It's like they've put a Metro on Windows 7". Although I believe that controls and features of these 2 concepts should have different looks, I think they should share a general feel and theme between them. There are lots of Visual Styles made by amature people that bring Metro and WP7 look to current Windows 7.

    2. No theme for Metro?! I couldn't find any theme to change the look and colors of the 'Metro world'! I went to accessibility settings and enabled the high contrast option and it looked like WP7. It was cool but the desktop part was aweful so I had to disable it. I think there should be at least a few themes both for Metro and Desktop part that change colors and not just background images (which is the case for Windows 7). Again, there's hundreds of Visual Styles on the internet that change Windows 7's look COMPLETELY. Come on MSFT guys, add something fresh to the table. One more important thing is the use of Dark Visual Styles. I'm using my PC more than 10 hours a day. If I don't use a dark visual style, that much pressure on the eyes would absolutely hurt my eyes. I strongly suggest to add at least one dark themes (like Windows Phone 7's look) for Windows 8, for both Metro and Desktop.

    3- Bring back start menu: Seriously?! Start menu is replaced with a button that feels very strange. It's like its something foreign which has stuck on start menu's place. Sure start screen is great. I love it. But it's not a replacement for Start Menu. In start menu I can access hundreds of software very easily. I can right click on its Computer and click properties or manage to go to 2 different places. I can easily go to control panel, games, etc. I can pin programs to it. There's a milion uses for start menu and you completely removed it?! Why?! I don't want to pin all of my applications to Start Screen and frankly I shouldn't. It will be polluted and its not usable. Sure I know I can hack it back. But think about average user. Not some geek. Think about some other way to go to Start Screen and bring back the start menu. It's a let down. A BIG ONE.

    4- No way to close the Metro apps. It's confusing and it hurts me when I'm confused. I just had to hit Alt+F4 and it's not exactly what I want. The metro apps should have a close button.

    5- Nowhere to find out about open Metro apps. Sure I can switch between the open apps but how am I supposed to know which apps are open? In desktop I have taskbar. What about Metro apps? I think their tiles should change somehow to indicate that they're open.

    6- How can I get charms by mouse? Maybe I'm dumb! But I couldn't find any way to bring the charms by mouse. I don't have a touchscreen and if it was there, you should find a simple way to indicate the user how to work with these new stuff. I'm reading your blogs and watching your videos all the time. Even I had difficulties working with the new apps. Maybe a tutorial is needed. I don't know. Half the time average user won't know that he/she can click there. How is he/she supposed to know? There's no indication.

    7- No bookmark button on Metro IE: I have over 300 bookmarks. About 100 of them are in my Favorites bar in IE9 in a good level of hirechiarcy of folders. So if I want to use them in the Metro IE, I should pin them all to my start screen and try to find them and click on them to open my favorite website. I don't think that much explaining is needed. You need to think about this. The least you could do is to add an option to show the pinned site in the Start screen or not.

    8- No tools button on Metro IE: How am I supposed to print a page, save it to a file, see downloads, change settings, etc. in IE10 Metro style?! If you're going for an app that just shows a web page without any plugin that's fine. But the last time I read, you were going to full OS for tablets in Metro world. So I expect a better experience than the iOS or Honeycomb when it comes to Metro. More settings and abilities, more options, more beauty, and possiblities. Think about that.

    9- Couldn't find a way to create an image password for my account. I used my Windows Live ID as the account and it used my email password. I wanted to change the login to use an image password like it's shown in the //build/ but couldn't find it (if available).

    10- I expect full control panel for Metro. I want to be able to change everything that is going on on Metro world without switching to the desktop control panel.

    11- No queue for file copy jobs: I have said this before. Running multiple copy/move jobs simultenously would drastically decrease speed and increase system resource usage in some cases. You know better. If copying on 2 different devices (for instance from A to B and another from C to D), they can (and they should) run alongside but if you are using the same device for 2 different devices (for instance from A to B and another from A to A) they should be added to a queue. I call this a smart queue. Because it knows when the jobs should be added to the queue.

    Finally, I want to thank you for this great OS. I know I just mentioned the bad parts (or so I think) but I really enjoyed using it for a few hours that I installed it. I had to delete it because as I said I have to use a dark visual style to prevent hurting my eyes. But anyway it was a very promising experience. Good job.

    PS: (I forgot this one)

    12- The Start Screen should scroll by draging the background not just using the scrollbar.

    this was taken from other user but it`s my opinion too.

  100. Blackspotter says:

    if i install windows 8, will i lose my windows 7?

  101. besar says:

    i have installed all the programs that i used on windows 7 like nero 10 , google chrome, live messenger , skype, nokia ovi suite, security essential , office 2010, ccleaner , auslogics, picasa,vlc player, utorrent and all of them works just fine on windows 8 and its just a preview, all you guys having problems just update the drivers form the official websites of your laptops and it should run just fine

  102. Amir says:

    Hey guys

    I Downloaded  ( Windows Developer Preview English, 32-bit (x86) ) from this page msdn.microsoft.com/…/br229516.aspx

    All I'm trying to do is get Windows 8 ( the beta version ) but after extracting the (.iso) file , i ran the Setup file

    and i got that ( Cancel , Continue ) thing but then nothing happened. What am I doing wrong ?

    I Have windows Vista Home Premium and my PC is 32-bit …

  103. anil , kirugavalu.. says:

    @amir

    don't extract that just burn to dvd..

  104. @Sam: If you've already run your updates, to turn the machine off, log off and the click the power button icon at the lower right of the screen and select shut down.

  105. JimCole says:

    I have been using the developer build for about 10 hours now and have noticed a couple of things. First off file transfer from IDE to SATA and from SATA to SATA seems to be about the same speed even though my SATA drives are 7200RPM drives and my IDE is only 5400RPM.

    I have also run into an issue with explorer in that I chose to sort by file type and it has taken over 25 minutes so far to reorder the list and still hasn't completed it. It is like the OS can no longer see the drives as being there. I closed out all windows and went back in to try again and now it doesn't even see the drives in explorer.

  106. Ultimatum says:

    I love it but only have two criticisms. I love the live tiles and i will use it most of the time, but when i want to truly multitask i will use the desktop, as nothing will ever replace it for functionality, drag and drop is one of the greatest desktop enhancements, so please don't go backwards with features. But my pet peeve it that when i use the desktop, i want to use just the desktop, i don't want to have to flick between metro just to open a program or find something from the start bar. Also add a visual back button in metro, i have pretty much never used the windows key for anything other than shortcuts, why has it basically become the ESC key? Its counter intuitive, most people i know refer to it as the annoying button you knock and then stops you from doing stuff.

  107. Packiya Rajan MSDN says:

    is this release include Media player?

  108. Sonicboomish says:

    Really dislike the new windows. Sticking with windows 7 unless there are some really good updates to windows 8.

    – I can't close applications.

    – I have to click 500 things to shut down.

    – Too many shortcuts etc have changed.

    – The desktop is windows 7, and I use it more than the tiles.

    – The tiles don't seem like the main UI. The whole Operating system feels like i've put a theme on windows 7.

    – IE10 Looks like a windows 98 program running in high contrast and google chrome is still easier to use.

    – No help as to how to actually use the new stuff

    – Definately designed for touchscreens, which nobody has. (who wants fingerprints on their screen?)

    – No alternatives for touchscreen features ie, using mouse and keyboard. (how do I zoom out on the tile screen?)

    There were more but I can't think of them currently

  109. Dmitri S. says:

    @Igor Kokarev

    I have just tried it, and it doesn't happen on my machine with Windows 8. I've never seen it happen on other PCs with Windows 7. I think it might be related to your video card and/or drivers for it. What are your specs?

  110. Mohyaddin says:

    Is keeping the kernel hibernated at shut down a good idea ?

    couldn't that affect the user experience after a long time using Windows ?

    I was concerned about the driver updates too that could make problems cause of

    not shutting down the kernel, but I noticed that drivers doesn't even need a reboot

    so that it can work.. it simply starts up without rebooting.

  111. Smoother says:

    Could anyone please inform me about how to install drivers without re-installing windows=

    I installed it through virtualbox, everything went fine, but now I assume that I need to install the drivers through the .iso file for windows 8. When I try to open the .iso it says that I need at least 20gb free memory and I only chose 20gb while installing it..

    So my question is, can I download the drivers from somewhere else? Do I need to re-install it?

    With the drivers I mean those that enables me to use internet etc..

  112. Pal says:

    I have extended my screen to two monitors, but when I close the lid of my laptop, all wigdets on the ribbon stop working. Only desktop functions fine. Is this a bug?

  113. Alex says:

    Fix "Hal_Initialization_Failed" Error On Windows 8

    http://www.techieblogie.info/…/fix-halinitializationfailed-error-on.html

    Hope it helps

  114. Blackspotter says:

    please anyone answer my question

    : i can't install net framework. it say 'unspecified error'

    why socialite,weather, and other widget in metro desktop didn't work? when i click, just green screen appear

  115. borsa93 says:

    Hello! I noticed that when I turn the volume knob on the keyboard (with volume up already) is not the green bar but a bar on a gray background gray on gray! I attach a picture to better understand the whole thing!

    ps: sorry for bad English!

    imageshack.us/…/unledxel.jpg

  116. satainkara says:

    Game all the time collapsed in METRO style (lower left corner, left corner), may not play.

    Игры все время сворачиваются в METRO стиль (левый нижний угол, левый угол), играть не возможно.

  117. is it possible to allow people to change the background of metro people trying so hard just to change the background look at this topic http://www.neowin.net/…/windows-8-how-to-change-metro-background-on-x64

    all that effort just to change the background please allow people to change their background

  118. is it possible to allow people to change the background of metro people trying so hard just to change the background look at this topic http://www.neowin.net/…/windows-8-how-to-change-metro-background-on-x64

    all that effort just to change the background please allow people to change their background

  119. Alex says:

    Make Windows 8 Bootable USB Flash Drive Easily

    http://www.techieblogie.info/…/make-windows-8-bootable-usb-flash-drive.html

    Try this one. Its easy!

  120. richie blay says:

    i intend to install nokia OVI suite ..on windows 8 .it says the os is not compatible..

  121. i intend to install avg 2012 antivirus  on windows 8 ..it was unsuccessful to install

  122. anil , kirugavalu.. says:

    @ richiebly ..

    i have installed both successfully.. ye man try to install using troubleshoot compability option.. just right clik on exe.. there u find that option..

  123. Obvoius Troll is Obvious says:

    I'm thoroughly amazed that there are over 100 comments on a post that clearly states this is NOT the best place to discuss Windows 8…

    WTH IS WRONG WITH PPL?

  124. sickness22666 says:

    Hi, i just want to know why Microsoft aren't convinced to implement a 3D Virtual Desktop Support on their forthcoming OS known as Windows 8?

    Linux and Mac have them already and its so useful. I know one by Microsoft know as "Desktop" but is just garbage.

    Anybody?

  125. Hi, i just want to know why Microsoft aren't convinced to implement a 3D Virtual Desktop Support on their forthcoming OS known as Windows 8?

    Linux and Mac have them already and its so useful. I know one by Microsoft know as "Desktop" but is just garbage.

    Anybody?

  126. RomaniaHotels says:

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  127. Mike says:

    Between the X32 version and the X64 version are many differences. Why so? Many apps are missing like the mail app, the music player app, or the video app. The right menu feature is missing too.

    Why does it has to be differences between 32 bits and 64 bits version?

  128. Stefan says:

    THere have to be a 32 and 62 bits vision and there will be many differences, this is because 32 bits version is for pc with less power ie: less that 2 gigs of ram, less than 2 gigahertz CPU. in 32 bit apps use less processing power , so they run smoothly on the slower pc, or tablet. While in 64 bits software or apps can use  up to 2 gigi in doing 1 process and a slower pc's will lag to run these programs.

  129. Stefan says:

    THere have to be a 32 and 62 bits vision and there will be many differences, this is because 32 bits version is for pc with less power ie: less that 2 gigs of ram, less than 2 gigahertz CPU. in 32 bit apps use less processing power , so they run smoothly on the slower pc, or tablet. While in 64 bits software or apps can use  up to 2 gigi in doing 1 process and a slower pc's will lag to run these programs.

  130. I think its important to keep ALL the functionality  that the Windows 7 desktop brought to the table. People are complaining about the "start button" and the functionality it provides (taking you back to the start screen). While I understand you wanting to bring the Charms to that area for consistentce, perhaps you should just lead with search in the lower left coner instead of start? This way when a desktop user clicks the lower left you instantly get something more alined with what happened before, which is a list of all your programs/apps and a way to filter them and NOT the Start Screen. Having said that, you can still do the hover thing to get the rest of the options, as well as pull the Charms up by the right hand side menu to navigate other places in the system, but the lower left hand coner should lead with Search and not Start. Also, all the taskbar stuff from Windows 7 should make its way over to 8 as well…dont limit production in the name of keeping people going back to the start screen all day. Let users choose…if we want the start screen and its applications then we will live in the start screen…if we want to live on the desktop, let us…ONLY upon clicking on the Windows key should we see the start screen but try and limit forcing people to do so. Having a Start button in the lower left coner of the desktop does this, because all the desktop users want to see in the mode is a replacement for the start button which is SEARCH and not Start.

  131. Give the option to users on what button they want by default in the lower left coner (Start or Search).

  132. Give the option to users on what button they want by default in the lower left coner (Start or Search).

  133. Mike says:

    Ok, but why are apps missing in the x32bit version? Those apps are no different in consuming resources than on any system, lower or better.

  134. Moo says:

    Why can't you change the start screen background? Thats some extra personalizing right there.

  135. shamsudeen says:

    it is a suggestion, the windows explorer is nice , but it still not powerful file explorer it should have Dual pane window , filters, scrap container, Tab window, Duplicate files finder, folder size , good short cut keys for all these features would be nice

  136. Pedro Oliveira says:

    @Steven, just the fact that you are discussing and above listening to people's opinions is a good sign that Microsoft is back on tracks and definitely will have a word to say in the whole tablets market. Keep doing it

  137. Pedro Oliveira says:

    @Steven, just the fact that you are discussing and above listening to people's opinions is a good sign that Microsoft is back on tracks and definitely will have a word to say in the whole tablets market. Keep doing it

  138. @Steven, I know Windows 8 is far from being done, but here's what I think so far — http://goo.gl/rv8YF

  139. Pepe says:

    Windows 8 break the old-traditional way of Microsoft, who doesn't provide support for making real themes (aka visual styles), so the user need to patch some files. I don't know why Microsoft don't add support for making custom visual styles, not just the wallpaper, cursors, sounds, I'm talking the hole visual style.

  140. Mario says:

    BUG

    From Metro UI click the user in right up corner and select to change the name of the user…if you log off te néw name appear first, but in Metro UI will not change. Only after restart. ¨So, you need  refresh of the user name also in Metro

  141. Jimmy says:

    Hope windows 8 has JAVA support.  If it has such feature, I will throw away my IPAD 2.

  142. Hi Steven

    I would like to share my opinions on Windows 8  with the week long user experience I had with Developer preview release. Firstly I would like to appreciate the great effort and daring changes you guys are doing with Windows 8.

    Below are few changes/suggestions I feel could make Windows 8 better – hope the suggestions would be listened to and would be grateful if they are noted and considered.

    Metro Apps

    Metro Style – personally I like it. Should it be the called the Start screen ? Certainly No. But it can appear at the start of windows with the Desktop tile. It would be better to call it Metro Apps/Apps/Metro Start rather than the "Start" for Windows as a whole.

    From what I have experienced, it can't be a replacement to the Desktop Start menu which has rich access features – it leaves users badly handicapped.

    The desktop should be left to be a desktop..it is quiet annoying to see the Start screen taking you to Metro apps screen.

    Through what you had been saying through your posts on harmonizing desktop and metro and rather disliking to call them modes, it looks like there is going to be a lot switching between Metro and desktop which can be one of the worst experience to have given the interface style difference.

    I believe it is important to understand the difference in the usage need between Desktop & Metro Apps.

    Why would users use it as the Start to carry out Desktop functions when there is already a powerful desktop beneath. I could see myself using the desktop rather than Metro screen – it entices you to go there.

    Metro Apps – What would it be better for to really make sense and carve a unique place for itself ?

    The nature of the desktop to entice & allure you to come there to play with its rich features leaves us a question on what really Metro apps should do. It turns out that Metro Live Tile apps should be and can best be for uses & users where full screen viewing with minimal control interference is a preference. It should largely mimic the Windows phone 7.5 kind of usage but ofcourse with increased feature set & capabilities given the backing of a full featured Windows OS beneath. Metro Apps screen should be for metro styled apps – certainly not a place to have shortcuts to Desktop applications.

    Please don't end up breaking a smooth UI experience by frequently switching between Metro apps & Desktop.

    Only upon a simple and explicit choice of the user should the Desktop appear and there should be a similar choice from Desktop to Metro apps.

    Controls & Settings in Metro Apps

    Any control or settings needed for Metro apps should come within it in Metro style and should not take to the desktop – it is really really awkward to use particularly with the desktop being in Win 7 style.  

    And all apps in Metro should have an option to close it using the bottom menu of it. Suspending is good but I really don't want the RAM being eaten up. Having a task manager in Metro apps is good but it should be related to the needs of Metro apps in Metro style and should not take to the desktop.

    Switching Apps

    Switching apps in Metro was another pain particularly when there are many open. It would be better to have an Open Apps option which would tile all the open apps with their latest snapshot view with option to close similar to the recent or open tabs in IE when we open a new tab.

    Internet Explorer and other dual approach applications – less powerful one for Metro & a fully featured one for Desktop – Does this really work for the better?

    From my usage with IE on metro I can say that I wasn't comfortable using it when my mind knew that there is an IE beneath in the desktop that is really powerful with support for plugins like Adobe Flash. And to render the Metro IE less relevant there is an option in it which allows to open the webpage in Desktop IE – while this an useful feature considering the less powerful nature of Metro IE, why offer it when you feel plugins like flash consume power – it indirectly makes you use plugins which again defeats

    not only the purpose, it breaks the UI experience and practically leaves the Metro IE useless. Instead why not have a settings option in Metro IE that allows the user to turn on/off the plugins feature and make the user aware of the implications on power consumption – say like 'Plugins – Always ON or ON for the session only'. After-all I thought Windows is about flexibility to make things really optional, functional & relevant ?!

    The same factors should be considered for every application in Metro that has a powerful Desktop counterpart beneath – this will seriously make users shun Metro apps.

    Harmonizing Desktop & Metro Apps

    Can this really be done or is it just a wishful thinking ? Can we really re-imagine Windows – I mean the Windows Desktop & not just Metro apps in Metro style – will users really go with it ? – will Microsoft dare to do that ?! – I understand it would be one of hardest decision to make. But before that let's just ask ourselves if we can really re-imagine Windows the OS as a whole in Metro. It's possible at-least I personally feel so.   So where & how do we start with without completely disrupting the current user interface ?

    Why not build a Complete Metro theme for Windows Desktop;

    1) Create Metro tile styled Icons without the live option – with the picture & icon name into a single square – at say around 75% size of the small tile in Metro – which when selected on a single tap shows the selection & tick mark similar to Metro live tiles – If you don't like calling them Metro Icons may be you can just call it Metro Tiles.

    2) Create Desktop backgrounds in Metro Style.

    3) Create Metro styled Chromes for all windows stuff – from explorer to dialog boxes to anything that uses the current chrome.

    4) Create a Desktop Start menu in Metro style fonts while retaining the form and function

    If offered as a complete theme it can make easier the harmonizing process while still leaving the users with the option of Win 7 style themes. I strongly believe that Microsoft should come up with at-least few Metro-styled complete themes – from font to style to rendering and all possible ones. It would be a good try given that users can still fall back to older themes.

    Navigation for Accessing functions using Mouse/Touch

    Here I would like to talk about a simple but important thing about how we navigate to reach functions or content using mouse or  touch both in Desktop & Metro Apps.

    Whenever there are large number of content or functions to access, using the scroll bar with mouse or a number of pan swipes with touch is quiet annoying and distracting. Navigations to access or reach-out to things should be simple and not too repetitive. Consider the below scenarios;

    1) In the Metro apps start screen panning across all the open tiles is a pain… why should the user keep performing long swipe pans to reach between the ends – it would be a nightmare when there are many apps.

    2) Many open apps in Metro (has switching between many open apps been easier?)

    3) Many open tabs in both Metro IE & Desktop IE (has reaching an open Tab when there are say 20 open tabs easier both in Desktop IE & Metro IE ?)

    4) Accessing Large no. of files & folders in Windows explorer view.

    It certainly is not comfortable to use touch in such scenarios as it requires a number of pan swipes. Even with a mouse you need to keep scrolling or make an awkward pull with the scroll bar. Can both be made easier and better?

    In such scenarios, where a large number of content or functions are listed why not use page view with controls at the bottom of the page – navigation arrows up/down or left/right based on how the content flows (vertical/horizontal) and a GoTo button which when clicked should so Top/Bottom or First/Last and other page numbers in scrollable/swipeable view. This is something similar to multiple (home) screens in smartphones.

    Scrollbars

    Scrollbars – what purpose do they serve? They signal how much of screen view is left above & below and on each sides. They also help to reach far ends of a page view easier by grabbing and pulling.

    But to do this do they need to be large in size always? They should be thin to just to signal the screen view status and when it is reached-out for using mouse or touch the scrollbars should become thick enough so grabbing and pulling becomes easier – when done it should be thin again. This would keep the functionality of the scroll bar with a better visual – rather than an always thick and awkward looking scroll bar. This approach should be used in both desktop & Metro and wherever scroll bars are used as the functionality is retained.

    Thanks for the opportunity to express my view as a user and hope these simple suggestions would be considered as they may make the overall user experience better.

    Good Luck Microsoft.

    Regards,

    Sathya

  143. Hi Steven

    I would like to share my opinions on Windows 8  with the week long user experience I had with Developer preview release. Firstly I would like to appreciate the great effort and daring changes you guys are doing with Windows 8.

    Below are few changes/suggestions I feel could make Windows 8 better – hope the suggestions would be listened to and would be grateful if they are noted and considered.

    Metro Apps

    Metro Style – personally I like it. Should it be the called the Start screen ? Certainly No. But it can appear at the start of windows with the Desktop tile. It would be better to call it Metro Apps/Apps/Metro Start rather than the "Start" for Windows as a whole.

    From what I have experienced, it can't be a replacement to the Desktop Start menu which has rich access features – it leaves users badly handicapped.

    The desktop should be left to be a desktop..it is quiet annoying to see the Start screen taking you to Metro apps screen.

    Through what you had been saying through your posts on harmonizing desktop and metro and rather disliking to call them modes, it looks like there is going to be a lot switching between Metro and desktop which can be one of the worst experience to have given the interface style difference.

    I believe it is important to understand the difference in the usage need between Desktop & Metro Apps.

    Why would users use it as the Start to carry out Desktop functions when there is already a powerful desktop beneath. I could see myself using the desktop rather than Metro screen – it entices you to go there.

    Metro Apps – What would it be better for to really make sense and carve a unique place for itself ?

    The nature of the desktop to entice & allure you to come there to play with its rich features leaves us a question on what really Metro apps should do. It turns out that Metro Live Tile apps should be and can best be for uses & users where full screen viewing with minimal control interference is a preference. It should largely mimic the Windows phone 7.5 kind of usage but ofcourse with increased feature set & capabilities given the backing of a full featured Windows OS beneath. Metro Apps screen should be for metro styled apps – certainly not a place to have shortcuts to Desktop applications.

    Please don't end up breaking a smooth UI experience by frequently switching between Metro apps & Desktop.

    Only upon a simple and explicit choice of the user should the Desktop appear and there should be a similar choice from Desktop to Metro apps.

    Controls & Settings in Metro Apps

    Any control or settings needed for Metro apps should come within it in Metro style and should not take to the desktop – it is really really awkward to use particularly with the desktop being in Win 7 style.  

    And all apps in Metro should have an option to close it using the bottom menu of it. Suspending is good but I really don't want the RAM being eaten up. Having a task manager in Metro apps is good but it should be related to the needs of Metro apps in Metro style and should not take to the desktop.

    Switching Apps

    Switching apps in Metro was another pain particularly when there are many open. It would be better to have an Open Apps option which would tile all the open apps with their latest snapshot view with option to close similar to the recent or open tabs in IE when we open a new tab.

    Internet Explorer and other dual approach applications – less powerful one for Metro & a fully featured one for Desktop – Does this really work for the better?

    From my usage with IE on metro I can say that I wasn't comfortable using it when my mind knew that there is an IE beneath in the desktop that is really powerful with support for plugins like Adobe Flash. And to render the Metro IE less relevant there is an option in it which allows to open the webpage in Desktop IE – while this an useful feature considering the less powerful nature of Metro IE, why offer it when you feel plugins like flash consume power – it indirectly makes you use plugins which again defeats

    not only the purpose, it breaks the UI experience and practically leaves the Metro IE useless. Instead why not have a settings option in Metro IE that allows the user to turn on/off the plugins feature and make the user aware of the implications on power consumption – say like 'Plugins – Always ON or ON for the session only'. After-all I thought Windows is about flexibility to make things really optional, functional & relevant ?!

    The same factors should be considered for every application in Metro that has a powerful Desktop counterpart beneath – this will seriously make users shun Metro apps.

    Harmonizing Desktop & Metro Apps

    Can this really be done or is it just a wishful thinking ? Can we really re-imagine Windows – I mean the Windows Desktop & not just Metro apps in Metro style – will users really go with it ? – will Microsoft dare to do that ?! – I understand it would be one of hardest decision to make. But before that let's just ask ourselves if we can really re-imagine Windows the OS as a whole in Metro. It's possible at-least I personally feel so.   So where & how do we start with without completely disrupting the current user interface ?

    Why not build a Complete Metro theme for Windows Desktop;

    1) Create Metro tile styled Icons without the live option – with the picture & icon name into a single square – at say around 75% size of the small tile in Metro – which when selected on a single tap shows the selection & tick mark similar to Metro live tiles – If you don't like calling them Metro Icons may be you can just call it Metro Tiles.

    2) Create Desktop backgrounds in Metro Style.

    3) Create Metro styled Chromes for all windows stuff – from explorer to dialog boxes to anything that uses the current chrome.

    4) Create a Desktop Start menu in Metro style fonts while retaining the form and function

    If offered as a complete theme it can make easier the harmonizing process while still leaving the users with the option of Win 7 style themes. I strongly believe that Microsoft should come up with at-least few Metro-styled complete themes – from font to style to rendering and all possible ones. It would be a good try given that users can still fall back to older themes.

    Navigation for Accessing functions using Mouse/Touch

    Here I would like to talk about a simple but important thing about how we navigate to reach functions or content using mouse or  touch both in Desktop & Metro Apps.

    Whenever there are large number of content or functions to access, using the scroll bar with mouse or a number of pan swipes with touch is quiet annoying and distracting. Navigations to access or reach-out to things should be simple and not too repetitive. Consider the below scenarios;

    1) In the Metro apps start screen panning across all the open tiles is a pain… why should the user keep performing long swipe pans to reach between the ends – it would be a nightmare when there are many apps.

    2) Many open apps in Metro (has switching between many open apps been easier?)

    3) Many open tabs in both Metro IE & Desktop IE (has reaching an open Tab when there are say 20 open tabs easier both in Desktop IE & Metro IE ?)

    4) Accessing Large no. of files & folders in Windows explorer view.

    It certainly is not comfortable to use touch in such scenarios as it requires a number of pan swipes. Even with a mouse you need to keep scrolling or make an awkward pull with the scroll bar. Can both be made easier and better?

    In such scenarios, where a large number of content or functions are listed why not use page view with controls at the bottom of the page – navigation arrows up/down or left/right based on how the content flows (vertical/horizontal) and a GoTo button which when clicked should so Top/Bottom or First/Last and other page numbers in scrollable/swipeable view. This is something similar to multiple (home) screens in smartphones.

    Scrollbars

    Scrollbars – what purpose do they serve? They signal how much of screen view is left above & below and on each sides. They also help to reach far ends of a page view easier by grabbing and pulling.

    But to do this do they need to be large in size always? They should be thin to just to signal the screen view status and when it is reached-out for using mouse or touch the scrollbars should become thick enough so grabbing and pulling becomes easier – when done it should be thin again. This would keep the functionality of the scroll bar with a better visual – rather than an always thick and awkward looking scroll bar. This approach should be used in both desktop & Metro and wherever scroll bars are used as the functionality is retained.

    Thanks for the opportunity to express my view as a user and hope these simple suggestions would be considered as they may make the overall user experience better.

    Good Luck Microsoft.

    Regards,

    Sathya

  144. Worthless snipping tool / screenshot possibilities says:

    Doesn't support:

    transparent windows shadows

    transparent window titles

    rounded windows edges

    non rectangular windows

    Captures itself when advised to only capture another window.

    Again Google (Zscreen) and Apple (Mac OS) do better.

    The web and many user manuals are full of ugly screenshots. THANK YOU MICRSOFT

  145. Aashu Sharma says:

    Hi ! Everyone i'm using windows vista home premium version i wanted to know whether i can install windows 8 on it simultaneously by creating the partition on the disc .

  146. Aashu Sharma says:

    Hi ! Everyone i'm using windows vista home premium version i wanted to know whether i can install windows 8 on it simultaneously by creating the partition on the disc .

  147. I would like to bring up groups and the options you give end users in relation to them. What im thinking about is Xbox 360 groups and how the 'home group" is the first thing your Xbox 360 goes to upon boot up but its actually the second group on the list after Bing.

    binarysauce.files.wordpress.com/…/new-xbox-360-dashboard.png

    What im hoping is that you give end users the same option in that you allow you to set the group Windows 8 loads to on the start screen so that we may have Win8 launch to the Home group (example) while we have another group to the left of it…say Social group for quick access.

  148. Mr.GooDMaN says:

    when I Open Any Application from Start bar I Can't Close it

    Can Anyone Help me

  149. robert says:

    what about the Protogon filesystem ? why is it broken in the dev preview?

  150. Microsoft, my advice would be to focus on both Education and Business needs for a successful Windows 8 product. Specifically the methods of the creation of content. If you consider an operating system for touch sensitive devices; the methods of putting pen to paper so to speak are not handled well in your competition.

    Further, if you also consider Office and Office 365, having applications that support inking would be a mandatory minimum! Onenote people. You already own it. Build a web platform around SharePoint and Onenote for schools and businesses.  

    Garry Clum Jr

    Director of Technology

    St. Paul Academy and Summit School

  151. zeeshan says:

    it windows 8compatieble for laptop and system

  152. Win7User says:

    Please do not remove classic Start menu! It is very useful and important for PC users as much as the Desktop!

  153. Win7User says:

    Many users (testers) of Windows 8 don't want the Metro interface on the PC. We want the Start menu from Windows 7!

    Now we turn the Metro interface off by renaming C:WindowsSystem32shsxs.dll to "shsxs.old.dll". After reboot It removes the Metro interface completely. Also it BRINGS BACK the Start menu and it DOESN'T remove Ribbon, new Copy/Paste interface and other new features of Windows 8.

    Developers! Please make a legal way to do this! Please don't force us to hack the OS!

  154. Pepe says:

    POssibility of chaging visual styles made it by users, without having a digital signature from Microsoft!!!!

  155. Pepe says:

    Also include in the visual style the Start button image and the backward/forward buttons of Windows Explorer!!!!

    Almost 50% of  Windoww users have to "patch" and replace somesystem files to do this. This sucks!!!

  156. Gcol says:

    Also it would be good to include in a click and hold and drag on the Start Menu so you don't have to use the slider on the bottom.

  157. Jonas says:

    Hello!

    The Developer Preview is very good!

    BUT I think its better to split up Metro UI from the normal Desktop mode. The Metro UI is only for Tablets.

    When you think on Tablets: The Metro UI is very touch friendly, but sometimes you have to go back to Desktop Mode and then you have problems on touch.

    Its better when Metro is a own system (Only for tablets).

  158. Alex says:

    Hello developers!

    Is a nice day to speak to you, and first off all, respect for your efforts.

    But , there is a small problem i noticed from first few minutes after installing Developer Preview.

    There is not anymore the famous "X" to close apps, we are forced to close by task manager.

    Yes, yes i know , is not the final release, as well. But this made bad impression :/.

    I like anyway the personalized Blue Screen " 🙁 Sorry there was an error", but this doesn't mean we forget about having to close Metro apps by task manager.

    I really hope , as any consumer , that this little discomfort will dissapear.

  159. Gcol says:

    I like the metro interface but It needs to be more integrated into the desktop version also there should be folders on the metro interface.

  160. Lito says:

    I was surprised with 2 BSOD and there are not many information about…

    The first: DPC_WATCHDOG_VIOLATION

    only one time… 10 minutes after the boot

    The seconf: SESSION HAS VALID POOL ON EXIT

    At the Shut Down, in 2 opportunities…

    Somebody can support this questions?

    tks

    @>—>—-

  161. windows 8 Dev Pre has doesn't satisfied me too much because Microsoft has only done few changes to WIN 7 do develop windows 8 . Meanwhile a large change in features improvement was seen at the time only when Microsoft windows moved from xp to vista . then Microsoft has done poor works just developed WIN 7 with few features improvement only because vista has failed gaining popularity on pcs . Now same *** for windows 8  

    Microsoft should take a look at apple and their improvements for Mac OS X. take look at here is an application program made my Samsung http://www.samsung.com/…/pcsw

    which does same work as a macs airdrop does en.wikipedia.org/…/AirDrop_%28OS_X%29

    So Microsoft should take the copyright`s or source code or logic behind the useful apps made by their partner O E M  like HP ,DELL , Samsung, Acer , and much more and invent them to windows 8 . then windows may have great value and popularity over Mac or Linux

    bhilare_kaustubha@rediffmail.com